The Roman Massacre Of Teutoburg Forest | Varian Disaster | Timeline

It was a catastrophe beyond the scope of imagination - an entire army of 20,000 men, slaughtered by barbarians. More incredible still, the perpetrators of this massacre were German tribesmen, a conquered people whose own leaders had long been 'Romanised' and were at this time merely regarded as harmless pacifists. But the Varus disaster, as it became known, became a defining moment in world history - a turning point in the fortunes of Rome - as it marked the high water mark of Roman expansion eastwards in Europe. So what had gone wrong? For in the midst of this catastrophe, it seems that the only thing the Roman leader Varus had done right was to fall on his sword when the outcome became inevitable. Using authoritative sources and detailed reconstruction, The Lost Legions Of Varus explores the flaws in Roman imperial policy, as well as the fralities of the human condition - factors both relevant in understanding the reasons behind the massacre in the Teutoberg forest. Tactics The series examines the tactics favoured by the Roman army. How, for example, could a technologically superior army have been drawn so readily into such an unknown and hostile territory of dense forest and marshes? The Opponents Who were these Germanic tribes, the Cherusci, Marsi, Chatti, Langobardi and Bructi? To the Roman mind, they were no more than an undisciplined rabble. In reality they were born fighters on terrain they knew well. Were the Romans in fact demolished by classic 'guerrilla tactics'? Blame Was the Roman legion's leader Varis to blame at all? The loss of so many soldiers could be attributed to either his military incompetence - he was more of a glorifies tax collector than a leader of men - or was it down to pure complacency on the part of his superiors in Rome? Conditions The Roman histories record torrential rain and thunderstorms devastating the forest at the point of the barbarian attack - evil portents for the Romans, yet good omens for the worshippers of Thor who confronted them. Arminius Finally, we look at the German leader: Arminius. Who was he and how did he manage to rally the different tribal factions and lead them to victory against the all-conquering Roman war-machine? For 13 years, Major Tony Clunn has painstakingly accumulated spectaular finds and new evidence, which leads to a compelling protrait of the last days of the legion of Varus. What he has found is that the loss of legions was a military disaster on a massive scale - a body blow to the might and aspirations of Imperial Rome.
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[@chrisomega4529]

wow how time flys,glad to find somewhere to land

[@fabbat1713]

Netflix sucks

[@parabot2]

@Odysseus Netflix is owned by the Edward Bernays family ( Propaganda master ) and you think it is just entertainment

[@ckkjgc]

@@parabot2 Netflix is a publicly owned company. One of the cofounder’s great uncle was Edward Bernays. That is pretty thin stuff for any implied secret conspiracy. Besides, every media company on the planet uses Bernays’ principles of PR and propaganda.

[@parabot2]

@@ckkjgc Go watch it all you like if you do not grasp the social, political, economic and cultural power , shaping public opinion and trends that TV / media has that's all good and well . What secret conspiracy , it's right in your face on Netflix .

[@danielsass1826]

Interesting how slaughtering 20,000 roman soldiers is called a horrific betrayal but slaughtering 1 million gaul civilians is only remembered in terms of Cesar's glorious conquest

[@ikealamp53]

All of Gaul? No, one tiny little village withstood the Roman armies....

[@erictaylor5462]

Funny how the Republicans talk of fighting to take back what they lost one week, over turning a legal election, then talk about unity the next after their boy commits a major crime and gets 5 people killed..

[@mikehannigan848]

Crazy how strong a narrative truly is when it's repeated by the masses,poignant even in today's political climate,no?

[@lolypopNL]

Rooting for ones own side and diminishing the ''other'' is one of the longest existing practices in human history. Its just about following your culture's narrative. And if there is no concept of human rights then it becomes very easy to see how to a roman losing 20000 ''brave and glorious'' legionaries is a horrific betrayal while at the same time the deaths of a million gauls is only a small price to pay in order to bring civilization to the region and glory to Rome.

[@mechcavandy986]

@@erictaylor5462 I don’t want unity. I want to secede.

[@SimonAshworthWood]

I liked this documentary in general, but some of its claims are false. E.g. the claim that Germany was "lawless". They had laws, just not Roman ones.

[@2hot2handle65]

That's right. My favorite law is, when two men have a dispute over a woman, they would duel to the death, and the winner gets the girl. The same principle of trial by combat applied to murder trials -- if the accused died, he was guilty. Such elegant simplicity.

[@igorbt6706]

Exactly. This is similar when now Western powers claim that this or that countries are not "democratic". Of course will never be, each country base their government in their unique culture, resources, religions which can't be compared with the reach countries situation.

[@phantorang]

@@igorbt6706 Democracy is a word that has a meaning, if a nation has to redefine what democracy means to fit a certain narrative, then it's not democracy, it's a lie.

[@thorthelionkingodinson4385]

@John Smith You're a f****** dummy cuz you don't know anything about the Germanic tribes? They had laws that were more ancient than any in Rome or Greece. Have you not heard of The Thing ? Cuz obviously you don't know s*** about ancient Germans . As far as their treatment of other people they were not of the tribe and we're not Germans they did not matter they were treated Lawless Lee and when people like the Romans were coming around and try and enslave them in the exact tribute from them they got what they had coming to them in the teutoburg forest didn't they ? You should probably read a little bit of History before you call someone dummy about something when you're the dummy

[@54jb3r7]

"laws"

[@mizofan]

Wait until Biggus Dickus hears of this

[@yugitrump435]

I already did

[@myrddingwynedd2751]

@@yugitrump435 LMAO 😂😂😂

[@goobfilmcast4239]

he will go home and complain to his wife, Incontentia Buttucs

[@krixpop]

@@goobfilmcast4239 tlow'im on the flo'

[@spideywhiplash]

🤣🤣🤣

[@valery668]

Jim Carter narrates so magisterially I feel like I am in graduate school. He adds a sense of dread to the descriptions of the Roman legions and their history. Terrific to watch!

[@oldwomanranting]

He was great as Varson 2. His voice and diction were impeccable.

[@johnwilletts3984]

The ninth legion was based here in Britain during the first century. In AD71 they moved into my local city, then called Eboracum, now York. Sections of the Roman fort still survive above ground level. They were last seen in 1953! It’s York’s most famous ghost story. Under the medieval Treasures House is a cellar floored with the original Roman street surface. In 1953 a young man was installing a new heating system in the cellar, when he heard music, then claims he saw Roman Soldiers marching on the level of the Roman Street. The young man became a York police officer and stuck to his story for the rest of his life. It was the accuracy of his description along with his reputation that made the story into York’s most told.

[@Ziri-hk2eb]

So he saw Roman troops marching?

[@stevenrobertson4470]

That is a fun ghost story! I wish I could have heard the music and seen the soldiers!

[@darrenbaillie8354]

I believe the young man's story. Times events happened in the past. The past existed and for all of time still exists in the time line of its period in history. I believe that time line continues to exist forever. We are separated by something that propels us ever forward through time from present to future like the roll of a movie film on a wheel spinning forward in time. Sometimes people fall off the present and can see a glimpse of the past. The young heating tech & future cop of York was lucky to have had such an extraordinary experience to have heard music & see such distanced past happenings of such an interesting historical period in time. Wonderful!

[@OutnBacker]

I'm glad to hear the references to the forests. Europe north of the Rhine was still carpeted by old growth forest of mixes groves of both evergreen and deciduous trees. The film depicts the very densest areas of forest today, but it doesn't come close to what it would have been like 2000 years ago. The trees would have been much taller, blocking much of the daylight. They would have been much thicker and much fewer as well. Undergrowth would have been very thick where it grew, but many areas were too dark to sustain undergrowth. Being very wet, there were many areas of clearing that were falsely thought to be solid, when they would have been bogs and almost impassable. The Romans were every bit as superstitious as any people of the day, and they hated dense woods, with its daytime dimness and its rain. At night, they would have been pretty unsure of themselves. Add to that, the complete lack of decent roads and byways. All they had to march on were narrow dirt paths, often as narrow as possibly three men wide. It would have been a muddy, slippery, dank and dark passage for three legions that might have been stretched out some 45 miles, at least. A full Roman legion, with baggage train, marching six abreast on a good Roman road, would be 20 miles long. But in Germany, no wide open rally points, no way to communicate to the rear, no place to encamp properly. To a set piece army, dependent upon tight unit cohesion in battle, it was a disaster waiting to happen. Add to this, the Roman legionaries did not like fighting the Germans. They would have been on average three inches taller and 20 pounds heavier, and they used spears as their primary weapon in the initial melee. In the initial closing moments, the handed spear had the advantage over the gladius. And, they were ferocious. Over the course of several days, the thin snake-like line of troops would have been slowly isolated into groups that could not move to assist their comrades, and were cut to pieces in detail. The outcome was never in doubt.

[@OutnBacker]

@@Kozak806 I agree that this is German fluff-up. I doubt that the troops were routed, thought they probably knew they were doomed by the conditions you mentioned. The Romans were believers in Fate and were quite stoic in their martial outlook. They no doubt put a lot of hurt on the tribesmen in payment for their lives. In my comment above, I mistakenly wrote "legion" but meant "army", which would be several legions - most likely three or up to five. As to the length of a Roman army: it varied greatly, depending on the road being used, and on the suttlers and other followers that were in the train. We know that they usually marched in columns of six abreast, but only on paved roads of about 14ft wide. Those roads existed only in the vicinity of larger towns or smaller cities, then quickly narrowed to about 10ft, then to dirt, with a wide degree of conditions. The physics would have dictated a plodding inch-worm as each unit encountered the "merge" just like car traffic on a freeway. Wagons and less disciplined units would be slower yet. We have to put ourselves in that period, while keeping a thought to practical application of human and animal ergonomics. The Romans were excellent at logistics, probably the best that ever existed until the US Army in the American Civil War, but they weren't chess pieces, either. At some point - especially the Teutoborg disaster - we must speculate on the physical, natural and logistical disruptions that surely would have stretch out that Army - not just a legion - for who knows how long. I do give the cinematography high marks on the depiction of the narrow thin line of troops in most scenes, but the trees would have been much larger and the light less. There was probably only a few straight stretches of path and most of the road might have been running at the bottom of banks and along ravines. I have no trouble with seeing that army strung out at 45 miles in length.

[@El-sr1id]

@@Kozak806 Rome lost because she was greedy and didn't even know why she fought anymore. Not to mention being built on at least 5 million lost souls in those catacombs alone. Countless more empire wide. One cannot create and propagate such an eschewed way of being indefinitely. All unfair things come to an end eventually. The status quo always shifts. Rome was doing it for all the wrong reasons. The Germanics were doing it for more than just themselves or a Nation. Thier steam was going to run out eventually. And if not. Thier children's. Nothing lasts forever. The tide always shifts.

[@riccardo.pratesi]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Idistaviso As you can see the Romans did not forget ... moreover the victory is due to the fact that Arminius had been a Roman official, he knew well how and where to strike, it is certainly not due to the size of the Germans, in the open field they were almost always annihilated

[@OutnBacker]

@@riccardo.pratesi I will do my best to try to find the reference to the Romans' distaste for the northern perimeters of their conquered territories. Among the comments recorded were ones that spoke of the nature and barbaric practices of the natives there. It included references to the large size and ferocity of the Britons and Germanics. As I have written prior, we cannot assume that the average Roman soldier did not have trepidation about close combat with larger opponents who made a great commotion before battle to instill fear in enemy ranks. It probably worked as well as any large street rumble. As to the Romans being defeated at Teutoborg, you are correct. Hermann knew the Romans would be strung out along a narrow, dark forest path and unable to form up their tight, disciplined battle lines or be able to maneuver to assist their comrades in force. That would place the average Roman up against the average German in clusters of combat or individual combat, with the advantage going to the Germans because they fought as individuals. Roman troops were not trained as swordsmen in the traditional sense, but as a unit behind a mobile wall of shields, stabbing and holding ground, while switching out the front wall every few minutes. The gladius was not long enough to have prevailed on average against the longer Germaninc sword, or the spear, which was the primary weapon of the Germans. Slowly and steadily, the Romans were cut down. I doubt they tried to run away, but fought bravely but with increasing futility. There were likely many dead Germans as well. Yes, you are correct: The Roman army was almost unstoppable in open field battles, with horrendous results against other Roman armies.

[@martinwarner1178]

@@El-sr1id Yes, so true, and the.....has run of steam. Will be interesting to watch the fight.

[@tjjordan9715]

Needs more ads. Every seven seconds just doesn't cut it.

[@stephenmaudsley2484]

Adblock free

[@markmitchell450]

Drag the video to the end then hit replay ads dissappear it's not rocket science

[@wonderfalg]

Love how the ads are interrupted by some story.

[@dublintvcontent2023]

Brave Browser = sorted

[@El-sr1id]

I got none.

[@Radiounderground]

After their tremendous victory the tribesman invented the Mercedes-Benz and dark beer.

[@charlesbukowski9836]

and the Tiger tank

[@worfoz]

@@charlesbukowski9836 Yes but beer so who cares about that tank.

[@ParcelOfRogue]

@@worfoz Dunkel Beer

[@chatryna]

Such losers...right?

[@vivians9392]

@Saul Valdivia Yes, I love my little '05 VW Jetta war wagon! Still going into battle on the freeways of America daily!

[@maracohen5930]

No wonder Germany has so many stories of haunted forests...

[@claudiamarianidamato9499]

mara cohen oh wow that’s interesting!! I’d love to see a video about that

[@ALSILVERU2]

Any youtube links?

[@weisthor0815]

read about hurtgen forest, where the americans suffered their biggest defeat in ww2. more americans perished there than in the whole vietnam war.

[@jduff59]

@@weisthor0815 That was a slaughter involving clueless generals and hapless GI's. Nice comparison - similar outcome, and completely unnecessary!

[@olafkardinal4080]

I live in Germany the Woods are hauntet . Hundreds of jears many armees of all Nations fight in Germany ! Come and i Show you! You will see👻👻👻 Buh

[@steveinthemountains8264]

They don't make 25-year-olds like Arminius anymore.

[@scottyfox6376]

Nope they don't. Ive seen people old enough to serve military duties literally break down in tears over the loss of WiFi. Ohhh the humanity & agony of injustice of it all, woe is me..🤓

[@tchirn]

Arminius and his barbarians were later crushed by the Romans and fled with what was left of his hordes and in so doing abandoned his pregnant wife to the Romans who treated her well and took her back to live in Italy for the rest of her life. .

[@paulstone3590]

Or a 20 year old like Alexander who created a empire by destroying a empire.

[@tinoir67]

@@tchirn bs

[@tinoir67]

@@tchirn bs

[@marciocorrea8531]

The Germans have beaten Roman legions once, then, later, invaded the Western Roman Empire, then started the Middle Age, then adopted all Roman things...law system, the eagle, the emperor´s title, part of Latin, etc., etc. Who conquered who in the long term...

[@williamegler8771]

The Eagle was important in Germanic folklore and religion long before contact with Rome. There have always been differences between lands that had been part of the Roman Empire and those of Germanic tribes. The Germanic peoples expanded throughout Europe and North Africa and became the dominant culture. The Middle Ages were dominated by the Holy Roman Empire and German speaking people were the the most important people in it. Rome absorbed majority of its culture from classical Greece and of course the Germanic peoples assimilated aspects of Roman culture but not all of it.

[@bighands69]

@@williamegler8771 Roman Culture developed separately from Greek culture. It did take influences from Greece and greater Europe but it was its owns culture.

[@kpl455]

That is true. A lot of the symbols and traditions of imperial Germany and even National Socialistic Germany built on the Roman heritage.

[@manfredamann137]

yes for the long run, Germans adopted Roman law and part of culture but only what was necesary. Bur Armin stoped the state of Rome

[@ismailmukooza2005]

The Romans did sO🤔👌

[@nomdeguerre7265]

Rome lost almost 70,000 in one battle against Hannibal. The magnitude of the losses in Germany were far less. Yet in one case Rome quickly recovered. In the later it retrenched. The difference speaks more to the changing character of Rome than the magnitude of the disaster.

[@kevinmalone3210]

No matter how many battles the Romans lost, they never gave in and never up.

[@joefreeman9733]

Patrick Smith That's not exactly accurate as a summation. Following the loss of the 3 legions Tiberious was sent to Germany. He was a slow meticulous campaigner but he wreaked considerable havoc among the Germanic tribes involved with Arminious. Recalled to Rome to succeed a failing Augustus he then dispatched Germanicus. Germanicus was a risk taker and ravaged the Germanic tribes. Nevertheless his losses were heavy. And twice due to very heavy weather as the Roman's were withdrawing to winter quarters he lost considerable personnel and material. Tiberious advised of these matters and feeling that Germanicus was expending troops rather needlessly rather than relying upon divid e and conquer diplomacy and alliances with the more loyal and submissive tribes recalled Germanicus and gave him a triumph. Thereafter Romes policy followed the Tiberian pattern with success. Eventually Arminius was killed by other Germans. It could be argued that the Roman's did not follow the Carthaginian model of utter destruction of a foe or potential foe.. On the other hand Tiberious saw no gain for Rome absolutely crushing the Germanic tribes in a war of extermination which would be extremely costly. Additionally Rome had significant problems to the east with the Parthians which was significant since those people were raiding Roman territory and had effectively cut Armenia away from Rome and interfered with commerce via the Silk Road. In one w a y Tiberious was correct. There were no significant resources available in the forests of Germany. Weather terrain and the nature of the Germanic tribes would have made crushing then administering the reaches of Germania and the Baltics an extremely difficult and costly enterprise with no profit. Eventually 400 years later this region did furnish the barbarian hordes that eventually sacked Rome. However by this time Rome itself had degenerated to the point that it could no longer maintain the frontiers. Corruption the destruction of the middle class farmers political instability were the major factors that led to the fall of Rome.

[@nomdeguerre7265]

@@joefreeman9733 I agree my statement was a generalization, and possibly a bit over sweeping, but I still contend it illustrates fundamental change in the character of the Roman State. Thanks for the review, it’s pretty good. Expansionist states face new challenges when there’s no where else to expand. Gaining empire is one thing, maintaining one another. 👍

[@nomdeguerre7265]

@@joefreeman9733 By the way I found Germanicus approach in the east, prior to his demise , interesting in being different from that apprehended in Germania. Was he ‘learning’ or had he benefited from counsel? Or was it a matter of changing personal agenda? Or perhaps a bit of all… 🤔

[@jaimegutier273]

Rome lost 75% of its original population in the punic wars. They never recovered from that and had to replenish their forces with foreigners from the conquered provinces. By the time they were in Germanic Europe, their legions were composed mostly of Germanic mercenaries since no even Roman citizens were willing to join. After losing Teutoburg, the influx of mercenaries drastically decreased and Rome war machine died out of attrition.

[@christosvoskresye]

It's good to know that areas that fell within the Roman Empire, like England and France, never experienced serious or long-standing conflicts with each other.

[@caninecarp6022]

christosvoskresye, Do I sense an air of sarcasm there dude?

[@wa1ufo]

Ha Ha!

[@abderrezakghozlane4427]

pretty much those areas were invaded by the very Germans that Rome lost control over sooo

[@mmhthree]

christosvoskresye LOL

[@AngelHaycock]

Lol. 😂

[@tedthesailor172]

It's interesting how history can be shaped by the ideas and actions of just a few individuals.

[@kennykomodo2576]

To me it's just amazing that we've managed to make it this far

[@joemamma416]

maybe its not really that far.

[@ericwilliams2574]

Technology can advance with war and exploit. But, with war and exploit, and ingenuity, and curiosity; Humans will be Humans. We are an imperfect species.

[@worthyofdeath]

How much farther?

[@desioye7782]

i am here for the soothing voices....gives me comfort.

[@KamiRecca]

"for 2000 years europe was divided by war..." eeeh... War is and always has been a constant, its absence brief and sparse. Not only in europe, this is how the world is and always have been.

[@rexremedy1733]

KamiRecca no one wants it, but everybody needs it - war...

[@utubeape]

@resigned liberal no, the EU was formed because there are regional blocs formed as a precursor to One World Government, the people in power want to consolidate their gains and cut costs, keep themselves at the top

[@MarkVrem]

Yup the last 10minutes of this video is exactly why I don't watch TV anymore.. Propaganda piece lol.. first 20min was cool though :-D

[@MrSimondaniel3]

well Europe is no longer divided by war. Except in a small corner.

[@MarkVrem]

@@MrSimondaniel3 that's cause the second 30 years war. 1914 to 1945 was so devastating to the continent. After devastation the period that follows tend to be one of peace as. Everyone rebuilds and there is lack of tension due to it and major potential threats are external the United States and Soviet Russia.

[@jpm7596]

He was more than an opportunist! Arminius was an excellent strategist and commander. Many lessons learned by all. Amazing history.

[@cylon1983]

Probably decades of success made the Romans too confident in their power and could not bring themselves to believe that 'barbarians' could defeat them. Lesson- never underestimate the enemy and always prepare for worse case scenarios.

[@RayB1656]

Exactly, the Romans were told not to attack the Visigoths ( Goths ) to leave them alone... they didn't listened... and later, they destroyed ROME ....

[@PObermanns]

I've personally been to the site where the British Major found the amazing relics. Wow! And I've seen the death mask which is shown in this video.

[@Paul-uc8qj]

I would very much like to go where you did and see what you saw. Unfortunately, I am too old now to travel to Europe.

[@johngalt1555]

Basically the German version of Braveheart, They even have their own version of William Wallace.

[@JosephGibson]

@john bloggs Yes but William Wallace did exist and fought the english.

[@aroutledge9565]

@@JosephGibson he was a French freemason fleeing the catholic church

[@fabm6724]

@@aroutledge9565 You have more info about this?

[@ringo1692]

@@aroutledge9565 I would also like to see any information that you could pass on to us!!! I've never heard anything about that and think it would be interesting to look into!

[@aldosigmann419]

@@JosephGibson So did Arminius and he fought for Germania - keep up.

[@lesahenderson7365]

Die free or live as a slave. I admire the decision, in spite of a delayed "modern" existence.

[@rhondaclark716]

They hate us whites in Africa America. Every race hates us and everything is now racist. I want to go live in a white nation. But no money 💴

[@robben8356]

@@rhondaclark716 Despite being from the other side of the globe, I do understand how the world works and I can sympathize with you regarding how "whites" are being treated in your nation. Modern society has a twisted idea that power/majority equals evil. So "whites" being the majority and more developed and financially able, makes you intrinsically "oppressive" against "blacks". It is the same with other social relationships. Christianity is hated, while other religions are tolerated. Men are abusers while women are victims. Parents too are abusers while children are victims. Same with teachers and students; or employers and employees. The one which is greater or older is usually oppressed deceitfully by the lesser one. I mean to say don't take this as a purely race issue. It is not at the root simply a hatred of "whites". It is a hatred of God manifesting in different ways. God bless.

[@Sleepy1988]

I first saw this many years ago, but watching it again I’ve come to realize that it’s one of the creepiest documentaries I’ve ever seen. The scenes of the Roman soldiers going through a very dark forest with such primitive and unnerving music, only to find bones from the previous legions spread all over, I don’t think I’ve seen any scenes that are so fear-inducing in another historical documentary.

[@mcsmash4905]

the forest scenery is rather foreboding , and keep in mind alot of these forests were cut down in ages past and they have since grown obviously , but then again it probably looked just like this , dense and dark

[@johnosman8971]

Should go visit the concentration death camps of WW2, … just knowing that those places were where, literally millions had been killed, just because of being of a specific religion, … not something uncommon, if you have read any of the battles fought in the Old Testament, either, …

[@bennieknape4857]

Then you didn't watch the documentary on Vladimir blaz and paler blue these guys away 20000 human bodies and paled for a couple of miles it's so sickened the muslims that they turned around and left the ha yeah.

[@WhyYoutubeWhy]

@@bennieknape4857 He saved Europe.

[@jaimegutier273]

That was a good deterrence that kept them away. Also, the legions by that time were mostly composed of Germanic mercenaries.

[@dardalion3199]

I first learned of this battle while playing Rome:Total War back in 2004. This was a fun encounter to play. I think it was a part of the tutorial maybe or one of the first battles you get to fight.

[@zacht1217]

Yes I remember that haha what a great game

[@Paul-uc8qj]

If you want to read a great book on this Varus disaster, read: "The Quest for the Lost Roman Legions" by Tony Clunn. This British military officer was the amateur archeologist who discovered the definitive site of the Roman slaughter, near the town of Kalkriese in Germany.

[@tchirn]

While reading the book, read the book "Germanicus" who crushed the barbarians and Arminius afterwards.

[@davehubbard4285]

@Sic Semper Tyrannis III its unfortunate that bodicca didnt have the same success

[@markmitchell450]

@@davehubbard4285 she did until drawn into open ground

[@CH-ml4rz]

Thx, added to my list.

[@TheBlackfall234]

@@tchirn im pretty damn sure that after that varus disaster rome didnt try it a second time. Im pretty sure about that, i think you mix some things together here that are not correct.

[@tjstrong3607]

"People should know when they're conquered" 'Would you Quintus, would I"

[@skinnykarlos710]

You forgot the question mark at the end of your quote.

[@lasvegasloner4621]

@@skinnykarlos710 You forgot nobody looks for perfection in youtube commentary.

[@skinnykarlos710]

@@lasvegasloner4621 You're wrong. I do. It's not that difficult if you went to school.

[@AA-nx8ki]

Not quite even among the haughty do quit

[@shirleymental4189]

@@skinnykarlos710 Nope. I'd say it was a rhetorical question.

[@jabba0975]

Where's Arminius when you need him?

[@cv507]

vallhälle xD

[@sherlock72]

Well, Netflix Barbarians brought me here.

[@wessexheathen5708]

Just watched that today . 😉

[@dixonbeejay]

@@wessexheathen5708 same just finished watching it I love roman history❤️

[@julko28]

Watched it yesterday. I've heard this in history class ages ago but i forgot about it

[@eorunnamoneas170]

thought I was the only one...lol!

[@chris032196]

Same here.

[@simian_essence]

An OK video. Could have been shorter with the same information given. One pure piece of laughable BS though: "Rome, the world's superpower, was on her knees." In 9 AD?? Are you trying to insult the basic intelligence of the average viewer?? It's obvious to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of history that Rome was most definitely not on her knees after this defeat. If you're talking 400 years later, OK, but in 9 AD?? What a ridiculous, absurd thing to say.

[@haroldasaleksa9427]

there no war crimes back then i imagine, only fight for surviving. Sure 20k slain soldiers is a grim picture, but i imagine for poor off barbarians it felt like they are doing "right thing" slaying rich soldiers with shinny armour. I imagine there are more blood on ancient roman hands than barbarians.

[@Wowzersdude-k5c]

It was no big deal to kill everyone in battle, loot villages, take women and kids as slaves. It was done by Rome and pretty much everyone else. It seems "honor in warfare" is a much newer invention, at least in Eurasia.

[@Vini-zv3lr]

It was standard procedure. The romans later on did punitive campaigns in which they massacred fighting men and enslaved everyone else. Warfare in those days was pretty brutal.

[@bannedagain1483]

The only crime in war is losing.

[@MustafaBaabad]

I think it is more likely the terrain and the spirit of fighting. 1. The Germans were fighting for their survival and freedom, while the Romans were fighting for the salary and the promotion. 2. The Germans, were ordinary men with lack of battle field gears for protection. It looked like disadvantage, but actually it make them lighter and more agile on such muddy and dense terrain. While the Roman might have a lot of equipment, such as steel helmets, steel shields, and other gear that make it heavy and make them less agile. 3. The Roman would have very good training and discipline to fight on the open ground where they can form all sorts of formations that will be difficult to penetrate and conquer. Unfortunately, these kind of sophisticated formation became useless on the dense and muddy jungles. 4. The German were more familiar with the terrain and the plantation, thus they know what plantation can be safely consumed and make their logistic more efficient and reliable compared to the Romans. Cheers from Indonesia.

[@jonathanturek5846]

Impressive report.. Being born of 4 grandparents each born with last names of their families... Hurtgen Graur Schindler Turek .. In other words half of my family comes from the black Forest and other half from Norther Germanic coast ... Its cool to hear understanding of our culture from someome across the globe. Honored you took time to learn and share ! Aloha

[@jonathanturek5846]

The next time u enjoy a beer 🍺 just know i would be happy to have bought it for you. Something that goes back in my family from Black Forest was beer and taverns.. My grandma Graur calls it Cold Barley Soup.

[@MustafaBaabad]

@@jonathanturek5846 thank you very much Chief!!! May happiness always surround you!

[@raka522]

The résumé that the Germans lost their connection to the Roman world through this battle they won and that Europe should somehow be split up to this day is kind of nonsense ;-) After all, it was Germanic tribes who founded the Western countries of Europe after the fall of Rome and continued the Roman traditions in the Holy Roman Empire of German nations.

[@bobsradio6025]

"The Holy roman Empire of German nations" failed. One of the greatest Germans that ever lived was Martin Luthor. After several attempts to convince the Catholic Church that many of their traditions and doctrines were in direct conflict with the Holy Bible, he had to found one of the first protestant churches, the Lutheran Church. As a result most of Northern Europe became protestant and enjoyed an economy based society, whereas Southern Europe remained Catholic and suffered because of it.

[@queenfubi]

I'm pretty sure Arminius was a royal hostage surrendered to Rome as the son of a germanic chieftan to ensure an arrangement was kept. Since royal hostages were treated really well Arminius was educated and trained as a Roman soldier.

[@stevehays6403]

queenfubi you are correct. He was a hostage. He joined the army, became a roman citizen and reached the title of equestrian. Went back to German as a adviser to legate (governor) of Germany -Varus. While being his right hand man he went around Germany making the plan to ambush legions.

[@CrazyMazapan]

But never lost his Germanic heart

[@dirkhallmann8941]

100% true, Greetz from the Teutoburg Forest🙋

[@Jean-Pierre-Villard]

".. hostages were treated really well " Not a reason to get Stockholm syndrome and became a traitor to hes Tribe/Family...

[@kwoltekublai3337]

@@Jean-Pierre-Villard Well it obviously worked in some cases, presumably taking Germanic hostages and integrating them into their army/society had been used to effect in the past, the practice would not have been proliferated if it did not consistently succeed in causing stockholm syndrome.

[@patricktheplumber5482]

The man is a hero for all Germans I’m very proud of him and my German heritage !

[@transporterIII]

Name your son "Arminius"

[@patricktheplumber5482]

@@transporterIII I wish i had !

[@cristinavuscan5610]

Well I guess he was not a "Hero" to all Germans. His own tribesmen poisoned him not long time after this. If only he knew...

[@patricktheplumber5482]

@@cristinavuscan5610 Some times the strongest men are surrounded by back stabbing cowards ! Just look what happened to Trump ! 🇺🇸 in either case I’m proud my ancestors fought the romans !

[@cristinavuscan5610]

@@patricktheplumber5482 Love your comment : "Some times the strongest men are surrounded by back stabbing cowards " so this means Arminius was a coward too right ? He did backstab his fellow soldiers with whom he fought side by side for years. I guess this is what it meas "Reap what you sow".

[@quercus5398]

During their domination period, hundreds of thousand of legionnaires were lost in battles throughout the empire. However,the Romans would never quit when it came to settle defeats and territories,until under control. After defeats Under Hannibal and his Elephants,the Romans introduced the trumpets in battles to frighten the pachiderms out of positions and dominate the battle.The Roman army was a professional united fraternity........they might suffer an ambush occasionally, but the return fight would be much different, with improved preparations and weapons additions!

[@virgilius7036]

True! Britannicus avenged Teutoburg defeat, but the emperors did not continue the conquest of Germania!

[@michaelwackers6475]

Check my commentary! Typical sensational History TV/TV History! Ridiculously biased FAKE HISTORY!

[@jasondelrosario5523]

Like that comment of yours even matters? Man just stop. The Romans never conquered Germania. Period. Later, it was the Germans that destroyed Rome sending Rome to the Middle Ages. And right now, the most powerful nation in the whole world is built by people of Anglo-Saxon descent which is a Germanic ethnicity. They speak English which is a Germanic language.

[@ivanhajko2660]

@@jasondelrosario5523 Calling modern English a Germanic language is quite brave. It started as one but evolved so much that it is language of its own. Also I didn't read Michael comment but Timeline documentaries make often some of the most ridiculous claims. Like the one at the end that "if Germania would be heavily romanized.." where in fact it was heavily romanized.

[@jasondelrosario5523]

@@ivanhajko2660 LOL!!!! What fantasy land are you from?!! It is indeed true that the English language was mostly Anglo-Saxon! As for foreign influences, that's minimal and Anglo-Saxon English is still very much Anglo-Saxon and Germanic. And Germany was never Romanized! Modern Germans clearly speak a Germanic language. It was Charlemagne that conquered them. Not the Romans or the Byzantine empire. Charlemagne was Christian and Germanic. Not Roman or Greek. You're just obsessed with ancient Greece and ancient Rome because you're some hyper-nationalistic Westerner! Ewwww!!!

[@Hellion73]

What dispair should have been for those legionaries, and common people, who survived the first attacks, but left lost and hunted in those "magical" dark forests, and then sacrificed to Wotan in horrific ways when captured. Thought about that since ever, and still gives me the chills🥺😞

[@davidlean1060]

I would say that was tough luck for joining the army, especially the army of a power hungry empire like Rome. Just deserts I'd call it.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Every documentary about the Roman empire seems to attract simplified comments on how evil the Romans where, and how noble those nations they occupied or destroyed. One can not judge a civilization that existed millennia ago , with our modern day ethics. The Greek and Macedonians where no harp playing, hippies, The Germanic tribes where no 'new age' vegetarians, etc,etc. it was brutal time, when a life was cheap. The best and smartest build their civilization, by taking over other powers who wished to do the same. .In this case it was Rome.that lasted for centuries before it fell.And when it fell, it took centuries for the chaos of their former territory to be restored. Beside all the gruesome and cruel things the roman things did, they also brought a certain peace and liberty of religion, commerce, etc,etc, As long as people not revolted and payed taxes life was relatively good.

[@gamercornelius348]

I see Rome as a civilizing force. They were in no way bad.

[@nickiseb8910]

Well..the Franks, germanic people , living in the Netherlands and Belgium took the shop over and Rome was finished.

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

life was relatively good for whom? don't forget the romans also took massive numbers of slaves from the european tribes they subjugated.

[@sniperelite647]

Coretta Hattereaux If romans haven't been exsisted, your language, your nation wouldn't exist niw

[@sniperelite647]

Toxically Masculine All the ancient civilizations did slaves...

[@Lioninthenight]

Wow. This was an excellent documentary. Went perfectly with my studies of Augustus and the beginnings of the Roman Empire. Thank you!

[@mb-sw8bk]

exellent?????

[@dennismckown4951]

being in a close knit forest, the legions couldn't form even the simple defensive formation, got slaughtered.

[@thomasmccullough2719]

So unbelievably interesting....thank you.....it must be haunting to stand in those ancient locations

[@Silvanafromchester]

Thank you for uploading this. My goodness ....if that isn't Carson the butler from Downton Abbey it must certainly be a gentleman who hails from the same part of England. Beautiful voice to listen to making a terrific documentary even more enjoyable. .

[@SandraS1397]

Thought the same thing.

[@johnroche7541]

@@SandraS1397 It is Carson the butler from Downtown Abbey. He also starred in " Legionare" with Jean Claude Van Dam.

[@alanaadams7440]

He has a perfect voice for this story

[@mcsmash4905]

Errors or no errors i still like this documentary that came before the era of 24h spam of aNcIeNt AlIEnS

[@graemecouch5010]

Im amagine finding the mass graves of those Roman soldiers & their armour ! Now that would be a find !

[@erikincph]

Probably no armour was left behind..metal was highly demanded at that time and was recycled…just as today

[@louise_rose]

Most of the POWs were sold as slaves among the Germanic tribes, or sacrificed during the victory celebrations

[@tomdavies241]

am sure there is plenty left to be found with a good metal detector

[@randybugger1477]

Just subbed, first saw this on SBS Aus way back in I think, 2001; never learned anything about this in history in high school; funny how I've learnt more in the past 30yrs, then in the first 18yrs. Cheers.

[@Gesundheit888]

School is just the place to teach you to sit still and listen to the historical lies they tell, besides getting you ready to join the military because you graduate being trained for absolutely nothing. Everything you want to learn, you will learn on your own.

[@alexcollins3086]

You and me both bro. You and me both

[@johnrogers9481]

Right. You sure demonstrate that in your poor grammar.!

[@compassioncampaigner7697]

@@Gesundheit888 TRUE THAT! My kid was struggling and I leaned on the school to get him some help on how to study. They delivered.....zero

[@joanofarc33]

randy bugger The first 18 was the groundwork to teach you how to learn, how to think for the next 30. Didn’t anyone tell you that?

[@sudhirpatel7620]

The Roman's knew how to divide and conquer barbarians. They paid tribes who hated other tribes to wipe each other out. Why get your hands dirty when you can pay tribes to do it for you. Politics 103.

[@stanleygodlewski4900]

Patel the Roman army had Dogs that weighed 600 pounds & were as tall as heifers.

[@sylvamoise5788]

Just what USA do to day they as same style..

[@sylvamoise5788]

@@stanleygodlewski4900 no I don't think so any dog can weight 600pounds not even a male lion reach to that weight.

[@stanleygodlewski4900]

@@sylvamoise5788 well the mastiffs were in deed that size one of the popes after the fall of Rome issued an order to have the mastiffs killed . There was such a out cry from the people that the Pope rescinded his order( a rare occurence) as he feared for his life. The reissued order was that all Dogs taller than the axle Of the wagon cart would be put to death. This resulted in a dog that was more than 400 pounds. Oh, 20 years ago( or so) a dog was born in England that was over 400 pounds.There was a special program on BBC showing the dog & asking If any one else had a mastiff that was as large or over 300 lbs. As the aim of the request was possibly breeding them back to a large dog. So check it out.

[@stanleygodlewski4900]

@@sylvamoise5788 what modern man is doing far exceeds what the Roman's did.

[@karlp8484]

For an empire to receive such a huge loss at the very peak of their power was unprecedented. Natural disasters can happen at any time, but military power was the bedrock of Roman society, its like Toyota winning the F1 Grand Prix. At Monza. The Roman empire took a very long time to decline, but it can be measured from this point.

[@Paul-uc8qj]

Yep, Pride before the Fall.

[@salvatore5553]

No it can’t , this literally occurred during the reign of Augustus, the first Roman emperor. Are you saying you can measure the decline of the empire from its very inception? Because that is quite absurd and untrue. Also the loss was not so bad in terms of troops actually lost.

[@ottosaxo]

Violent thunderstorms are pretty dramatic. But once the summer is over, they become real rarities in Northern Germany. "Storms" in autumn use to be gale force winds accompanied by rainy weather, a lot less scenic, but strong enough to fill the air with roar and to fell trees.

[@jduff59]

To say this was fascinating isn't fair - this is history turned on its head. I had no idea this happened, and it truly explains the divide in European history. I studied Roman history in school in the 1970's, and we never learned of this tragic event. Thanks for the eye-opener, and it appears as if there's more to come!

The "Lost Eagle" is a great movie based on the slaughter of the ninth legion.

[@thomasbrady3827]

That was an entirely different event

[@arminiushermann09]

We Germans believe it's better to fight an fall then to live without hope. Perseverance is our German virtue.

[@sohndervenus]

Since 1945 we've become a shadow of ourselves. But I'm still hoping for a comeback ;)

[@laughsatchungus1461]

oh brother here we go again

[@laughsatchungus1461]

nationalism is a disease

[@tripfisk4246]

Following orders is something Germans are also obsessive about. My WW2 university professor told me that.

[@snarkynader9400]

How’s that going now?

[@delilahmills7192]

Since ancient history was generally written by the victors, its not surprising that the focus is so distinctly roman, however, the attempted correlation between this massacre and the world wars is absolutely ludicrous, there is no comparison.

[@Gesundheit888]

Ancient history as well as modern history is always written by the winners. That is fact. But this documentary was not written by anyone other than the person who had an interest in making it appear a certain way. Very little facts and much theatrics.

[@a.salmon8193]

@@Gesundheit888 agreed.

[@surandissidus3243]

@@Gesundheit888 Well except the losers (the romans) wrote about their loss in the territory now called germany. Not the germanic tribes who had no historical recordings at this time.

[@ingridclare7411]

I agree, this doco is full of toxic EU propaganda

[@couespursuit7350]

Unfortunately PRES Wilson was unable to derail the Franco/Anglo punitive terms imposed on Germany post WWI. That is what lead to WWII. The EROU Union is and idea to unify Europe and prevent further war. Europe was doing quite fine after the Marshal plan (thank God USA got to call the shots on post war terms) and everyone was getting along. The EU has injected tensions where there were none before. Academics trying to fix an old problem that no longer existed and now created a new problem.

[@jimkamradt8387]

Rome crucified people in order to put fear in the populous, who were the barbarians?

[@davidpowell3347]

Scots had their success against attempted Roman conquest also.

[@adrielanonymous]

@@davidpowell3347 is this the reason Hadrian wall was built?

[@davidpowell3347]

@@adrielanonymous I believe so

[@RonT222]

@@adrielanonymous Hadrian's Wall was meant for a variety of tribes that have harassed the Romans or immigrated into Roman territory.

[@RonT222]

@safari mang Only ones accepted were those educated by the Romans in an effort to gain control of areas in England and especially Germany. Imagine if Romans were successful with the Germanic tribes and gained access to the Asian Steppes.

[@chircoj1]

Nonsense. This was not a battle it was an ambush.

[@5urgs]

It’s ashamed most of Germanic history is overshadowed by WWII

[@bradwalton3977]

The Romans were not interested in territory for the sake of territory, they were interested in wealth and power. The key to wealth and power is a sustainable economic model, and Roman conquests were nearly all focused on economics in some fashion. All conquests were attempts to find a good return on investment in the form of tribute and production, so they got their hands on the richest and most productive land - but didn’t bother with the parts that were too expensive to garrison and hold down with little promise of profit, like Scotland, Ireland, and Germany. The parts of Germany that were potentially profitable, the Romans did indeed colonize. Many cities in the southwest of Germany and along the Rhine have Roman roots, like Trier, Aachen, or most especially Cologne, whose name comes from Latin - Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium. Meanwhile they did try to colonize the rest of Germany on the cheap by trying to co-opt Germanic tribal leaders, including Arminius - only to have Arminius (also known as Hermann the Cherusker) turn on them and use his insider knowledge of their tactics gained as a former Roman hostage and later Roman citizen to destroy three legions under Quintillus Varus at the battle of the Teutoburg Forest. That shocking defeat for the Romans made them decide, not that Germany was unconquerable, but that there was little point in expanding further into Germany - the land was not terribly valuable (much of the north was little more than swampland), there were few if any natural resources they couldn’t get elsewhere, and the weather was cold and rainy, which all meant that there was little hope of making much profit. At the same time, the obviously hostile natives would make the cost of holding that land too high to bother. So they simply didn’t, and instead sowed discord amongst the German tribes as long as they could to distract them, but there was nothing in it for them to invade and conquer such a useless territory.

[@planetstupider502]

@Voracious Reader so everyone who makes a comment, they have to back it up with a list of references? Are you a lawyer or publisher.? Your asking for a bit too much here. The guy makes sense. You don't waste your precious time and resources for something that brings very little in return.

[@JohnWick-qr4yc]

So in short divide and conquer

[@sifridbassoon]

WWI goes back to the death of Varus and his army? sounds like a bit of a stretch to me

[@LordMattyA87]

sifridbassoon I agree. Ww1 was caused by death of Franz Ferdinand. So what’s Varus got to do with it?

[@hornet331]

they are implying that with the freedom of the German tribes the Germans where responsible for a fractured Europe... Disregarding the rivalry between France and English (who where both conquered by Rome). The Danes/Vikings, the Arab invasions and much more. Just trying to blame European fractured and violent history on a single event, and Germany being the culprit, just shows British bias against Germany... still.

[@matthewexline6589]

It makes sense to me after studying Bismark and his campaign against the French in between. Connects the dots. Anyway, if the Rhineland were made into a well-fortified Roman province that could have repelled the Steppe peoples, who knows how different History would have been. There would never have been a France, a Germany, or a Britain. All of Europe would have been Rome, and to the East would be the Asiatic powers. It's very easy to see how WWI would not have played out with no France, Austria, Prussia, or Germany.

[@MothaLuva]

Matty Allman He was the greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat....grandfather of Franz Ferdinand.

[@MothaLuva]

Jack the Gestapo At least

[@lindaterrell5535]

The colonists fought from behind a similar wall at Bunker’s Hill. When they built a similar wall on Dorchester Heights a Year later, and set up the cannon brought overland from Fort Ticonderoga, the British army left town. It’s celebrated as Evacuation Day.

[@geraldberliner5260]

"Quinctilius Varus... WHERE ARE MY EAGLES????!!!" (Brian Blessed, I, Claudius)

[@janethompson9390]

Yes!

[@Jeremyramone]

Excellent series, i often yell this at the cats when my sock is missing..

[@discoverellenville9239]

@@Jeremyramone LMAO! Brilliant, I must try that with my cat!

[@mrdfac]

The Eagles were touring America.

[@GalootWrangler]

In some alternate history, Varus will survive only to face the question, “IS THERE ANYONE IN ROME WHO HAS NOT SLEPT WITH MY DAUGHTER?”

[@DJ-tt7tq]

Fascinating. I've always been very interested in this battle.

[@phantorang]

Wasn't much of a battle it sounds like, just a slow massacre.

[@DJ-tt7tq]

Still fascinated by it

[@devinrivers5808]

@@phantorang You’re right, basically guerilla warfare

[@fathimafarzana6091]

The Germans did not loose the saved their languages and therir way of life, they saved themselves the fate of the Celts

[@MWcrazyhorse]

That's why the Beast hates us to this day.

[@MrBusinessAsUsual]

I don't agree with this. I think the idea that had Germany been made a province it would have become another France is dubious at best. The reason why Spain, southern France or Northern Africa (ex-Carthage) saw an influx of Roman colonists and became thoroughly romanized as a result was the fact they were mediterranean countries where Romans could lead the way of life they were used to from Italy - above all I would mention that they could support two agricultural commodities Romans loved above all, the wine and olives. Austria was occupied by the Romans, as was Britain, and neither became new France or Spain, as they weren't as attractive for permanent settlement to people accustomed to life in Italy and places that resembled Italy, and neither would have been Germany which is was more nothern than France.

[@Mordalo]

There are a lot of assumptions in this program.

[@caswallonandflur692]

Hehheh yessir. The science of speculation. A very imaginative hobby 😉

[@bittercephalopod1569]

What do you freaking expect? The Romans only had analog mobile phones. No smartphones yet.

[@wisdomleader85]

Makes me wonder if the disaster could have been completely avoided, had Rome developed a sophisticated state-funded foreign spy/intelligence network.

[@ChristianF15cher]

Yeah I quit watching early on. Any historian worth his student loans would know that Germanics and Germans are not the same thing.

[@ghosthorse77]

A very left wing view of this battle. Timeline is a very lefty liberal view on things. But there are NO FACTS this is a fairy story.

[@222Lightning]

34.03 "even to mask fear" ...……..Good one!

[@marcmustermann1676]

So the message here is, basically: Get the f*ck off our lawn, we are happy with our beer and awesome cars. Best regards, the Barbarians.

[@paul52eccles]

Having served in Detmold for 4 years, under the shadow of Hermannsdenkmal, I knew bits of this history but it is always nice to get the 'bigger picture'. Fascinating

[@bluesingmusic3443]

Entertaining. I personally would have liked to seen more of the archeological aspect. Of course tell us about the battle, but to me the last few minutes were the best. Just my opinion.

[@alphasuperior100]

Wow, Ancient Germans destroyed Rome's legions and they resorted back to barbarianism.

[@daginn896]

What is barbarianism? Democracy? Womans rights?

[@daginn896]

@Briscoe17555 "United" by a common germanic cultuture, such as laws.

[@daginn896]

@Briscoe17555 You are way off there mate. "One step above the stone age" lol. Far from it. What do you think the term germanic means? It is a cultural term, describing a people with common language, traditions etc. And no, they where not hunter gatherers, the fact that you assume that disqualifies you from any debate.

[@glennmandigo6069]

Just another in the long list of incidents in History where people made a crucial mistake: Underestimating the German

[@mariobross8399]

@The_Jaguar_ Knight historically correct. Good answer my friend!

[@WolleG78]

@The_Jaguar_ Knight What do you think one should do who was taken hostage by a foreign force that is by violence trying to impose it´s rule over his own people? Many Germans didn´t even get the luxury Herman got. They had to do romes dirtywork in mining, on the battlefield or in roman houses as slaves. Don´t get me wrong here, though. Roman rulers like Marcus Aurelius where great men. I read his Meditations and it´s brilliant stuff. But for the ancient Germans they where not only a blessing, and fighting for freedom was never a bad thing, even though we lost in the long run.

[@bluecheck3924]

@The_Jaguar_ Knight I’m not even European but when someone kidnaps your children and takes your land. There will always be war. People aren’t just going to accept whatever your offering for the sake of civilization. Those barbarians did what they had too.

[@bluecheck3924]

@The_Jaguar_ Knight we can argue all day about which is right and which is wrong. A nation doesn’t get that powerful without causing problems. Those barbarians were fighting for their culture, pride(tribalism), land and their identity. You can’t imagine what that feels like because you never lived it, so I understand why you think romans were the saviors. It’s a different mindset than now. You can’t begin to understand

[@InnocentFormalities]

@The_Jaguar_ Knight where’s the honor in a German being a traitor to his own people lol

[@Biljoona]

The opening is just fantastic.

[@RenegadeSith]

This was a very thorough and interesting presentation. Well done!

[@mikewatkinson1996]

Varus should've brought Admiral Akbhar with him

[@stevelowe100]

Mike Watkinson Good one 😂😂😂

[@Dbusdriver71]

Very funny. Octavian had to 'settle' for Tiberius; better than akbhar.

[@Anna-vf9gx]

Nice one!

[@MrHort55]

Its aaaaaaaaa TRAP!

[@dannyburch2122]

Maybe the Spaniard LOL

[@paulbarthol8372]

"The Iron Age tribesmen.". The Romans were Iron Age also.

[@Ewochable]

ok interesting thanks for the wisdom. Now stfu

[@preuischeradler5131]

The Romans may be gone but their presence is still here. Everywhere where the Western world had stretched its influence. And in modern Germania it is still felt, in the arts, culture and even language. Ave Roma in aeternum!

[@Wowzersdude-k5c]

Yep. Much of America's government was based on the Romans (and of course British law as well). Pretty much every government in Europe has the same influence.

[@preuischeradler5131]

@@Wowzersdude-k5c Indeed. For instance in the Spanish speaking countries of America the Roman Law is called 'Derecho romano'. I assume that in Canada, US etc., it has a similar name. Also the Roman presence is clear in the romance based languages of the Spanish speaking countries of American as well as Brazil (Portuguese) and the French in Haiti, the French Guiana as well as several Caribbean speaking countries and of course, French Canada.

[@mynameisnobodyz]

Once we discover the Freemason's involvement, it all becomes easy to understand.

[@cantankerouspatriarch4981]

They didn't exist yet.

[@olikane530]

amazing historical event

[@thehunter9430]

Such a good documentary. One of my favorites 👍

[@max_fjellstorm]

Guys have you really never heard of this great battle? It’s like really common to at least to have heard about here. And to be honest: German forest have lost all there „haunted“ they really tidy and streets and roads everywhere. You can’t walk for less then 3 km without encountering a street or village

[@martialme84]

There´s even at least one childrens´ song in Germany, mocking varus and the romans. It is sung to a very merry tune and begins: Als die Römer frech geworden... ...zogen sie nach Deutschlands Norden... (When the romans got cheeky...they treked to Germany´s north...) ^^

[@thewouldyouratherguy]

I went to the battlefield this year and although it wasn’t spectacular in and of itself, because there’s nothing left there except a small museum, I took from it this memory: there was a dog tied up outside that wouldn’t stop howling and barking. He wasn’t barking at anybody because nobody was near him but he didn’t stop.

[@bimscutney1242]

What astounds me the most is how the ambush was kept secret from the Romans. There’s always someone looking to cash in with information.

[@francismason8891]

In another part of he world, e.g.,, Afghanistan 18-19th century, the victors always leave one survivor 'to tell the tale". Ask the Brits.

[@wonderfalg]

Not really. Segestes told Varus everything, but Varus did not believe.

[@janosik47]

Varus was warned by one of the German tribesmen about the plot ,but he thought it wasn't true .

[@bunzeebear2973]

@@janosik47 Or Varus just nodded his head "like he understood German"

[@physical_insanity]

VARUS, GIVE ME MY LEGIONS BACK!

[@Dbusdriver71]

So said Octavian. And who was he forced to deputise and make co emperior?

[@SeraphimRoad]

No

[@Dbusdriver71]

'No' what? No you don't want Tiberius or no you disagree with me.

[@HVLLOWS1999]

"Quintili Vare Legiones Renne!"

[@uncletim6]

Dane's reply take what remains of your slaves , we are free men .

[@transuranicelements1335]

i wish Timeline will add closed captioning for hearing impaired

[@user-lb8vw9el4d]

@Transuanic Elements; I think if you go to settings in the bottom right of the viewing screen, and go to subtitles, it will take you to a youtube settings page, and from there you should be able to pick your language for subtitles. I've not gone through the entire thing, so I'm not 100% certain, but I'm also not very computer literate either. I hope this helps buddy. Aaron.

[@paulieheydrich9772]

I don't think it's you .I had to grab the old microphoneic ear speakers . especially when eating me Cheerios

[@BillFromTheHill100]

What did you say?

[@mikeh7917]

This battle did NOT "bring the Empire to its knees". That's RIDICULOUS. Arminious did not conquer Rome.

[@mikeh7917]

@Lance Knight Yep. Plus I hate the term 'brought ___ to its knees." That implies CAPITULATION. It never happened. Romans lasted to 476 in the west, and 1453 in the east.

[@_friedie]

@Lance Knight Idistaviso was a skirmish in comparison to Teutoburg Forrest. the bulk of the germanic troops got away. Arminius won the war.

[@_friedie]

@Lance Knight I have my facts straight. You failed for old Roman propaganda. Before the war the Empire reched up to the Elbe river.After the war the border was back to the rhine....

[@pheresy1367]

Yeah... Hyperbole ...sure... But it did give Augustus some pause. I was thinking the same thing. He also said "the Roman military... decimated". That's true in the literal sense only.

[@mikeh7917]

@Kreuhn Kohrman Alaric didn't sack Rome until 410 A.D.!! Almost 400 years after Teutoberg. You might as well say that Robert The Bruce was the reason that Americans won the Spanish-American War or something like that.

[@kjetilhansen5363]

The most significant historical consequence of this battle is that it pretty much stopped the Romans from expanding into Northern Europe. The consequences of such an expansion would today especially have been visible from a linguistic point of view: influence from Latin would have supplanted the Germanic languages, just like what happened to the Celtic languages in Gaul. In short, languages like German, Dutch and the Scandinavian languages would most likely not exist. And yes, this also includes English, as it derives from various Germanic dialects spoken in what is now Western/Northern Germany and Denmark.

[@justdoingitjim7095]

They always talk of how politics plays a large part in wars. Maybe that's because most wars are started by politicians!

[@thisisyol]

Im a political scientist. Let me tell you, wars get started by particular interests. Regarding politicians and generals: for a hammer, everything looks like an anvil.

[@googiegress]

War occurs when diplomacy fails to get you what you want. They're both methods to exert control, and in all cases diplomacy goes on with the threat of war behind it. Because politicians determine foreign policy, and control military funding, of course they start the wars. Mechanically, there are few other ways it could be done.

[@rhrful]

History proves that fact is far superior to fiction. A fascinating documentary.

[@aka99]

you may enjoy a video about a battle the romans won in central germania in 235 ad. look here m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3rJhoCQgZJ7b5o if you think it is a trap or a fraud, search in youtube for how a horseshoe led archaeologists to romes most distant battlefield by channel toldinstone

[@OnlyEdandTheAlmost]

If it were not for Varus, we would not have hamburgers today.

[@Xseedsofevil]

That Calvary mask is badass

[@christopherruss5899]

*cavalry (It's truly amazing how often people use Calvary instead.)

[@user-dl1xz3mj3i]

This happened to americans in WW2 in the Hürtgen forest in Germany as well !

[@user-hd1qx2bd1r]

Hello B.::: Its happening right now over the world, and especially in America.

[@SuperShaihulud]

Roman legions were usually paired with an allied legion of similar numbers. Besides those, the Roman armies often traveled with a great many hangers-on, 'wives', merchants, slave traders, etc. This being the case, were there more lost than the 20K ROMAN soldiers that seem to be all anyone ever refers to in the Teutoburg disaster?

[@sventibaldo]

Yes...and that's why you sometimes hear 30/35000 as number of Roman casualties. 20000 legionaries, 5000 auxiliaries (25000 total force) and 5/10000 civilians.

[@AmBotanischenGarten]

Although I am not an expert in this literature, I am fairly sure that you can find estimates of the ratio of hangers-on to Roman soldiers in a typical legion--Sventibaldo (below) gives no source for his estimate.

[@ALSILVERU2]

Werent the women set free or what happened to them 🤔

[@latsnojokelee6434]

Actual wives followed their husbands even in the middle ages to bottles like at Azincourt. And the Romans would settle in a land and create forts and then send for their wives and children just like if you were an American soldier and you were living in South Korea with your wives and children.

[@danpeterson114]

The pairing with allied legions is from Republican times like the Carthagenian Wars when Roman was a "City State" among other City States within the Italic penninsula that also raised legions. The Auxiliary branch of the Roman Army in 9AD wasn't as large as it would become a few decades later.

[@HistoryonYouTube]

Very interesting video but the conclusion that it divided Europe is a going a bit far I think. There were plenty of wars between the Latin states and Slav states as well.

[@ryan7864]

True. Modern history documentaries seem to play out like some drama instead of giving us a sober analysis. Probably because viewers like drama and hate lectures.

[@ryanmaxwelll2730]

"Militaria found in the area" He's a poet and doesn't know it.

[@jeffa.7298]

It's even better in Latin: 🎶 Arma exercitūs in areā reperimus. 🎶

[@panzerstrelok]

no one of these documentaries mention the revenge campaign, destroyed everything they came across, recovering most of the lost eagles and destroying the Germanic army and probably made the German tribes kill Arminius because he brought Romes vengeance on them

[@gamercornelius348]

It was good for them to teach the Germans a lesson, don’t mess with Rome.

[@wa1ufo]

The Romans never crossed the Rhine in force ever again. OK Derp?

[@kathyrene5075]

Derp herd good for Rome!!!!

[@MothaLuva]

Epicdays And I always like it, when Rome was being taught lessons. I wonder, how many times it really happened, besides those times where they simply couldn’t lie about it.

[@patttrick]

Been reading "I Claudius" if not do so by Robert Graves

[@ibunjaku]

Varus probably did not know that Arminius had seen what romans have done in Illyria, since Arminius was in the campaign of Tiber, who had crushed the revolt in Illyricum and what the legions had done for 4 years to the Illyrian tribes and kingdoms, following the Bellum Batonianum revolt...

[@drummer78]

I know Frankish warlords like Clovis saw himself as Romanized and the Franks reinterpreted Roman ways via a Germanic traditions.

[@iangordicans8763]

The extraordinary thing about this episode is how the German guy was able to convince the entire Roman army to take a detour north into a trap

[@alexoller22]

I believe he was a Roman officer, albeit ethnically Germanic, who had been raised and educated in Rome.

[@iangordicans8763]

Exactly, and that is part of the reason why he defeated them. But it doesn't explain how he was able to lure the Roman army away from their intended route into such a massive detour to their trap

[@importantname]

every thing can be traced back to anything you want. that does not mean it is important.

[@MothaLuva]

David Boson It also doesn't mean it's not. Depends on the eye of the observer.

[@kc3718]

trace it back to the Gauls attack on Rome 290 bc or the Celts attack on Delphi ? Much more obvious and earlier dates.

[@joeys9676]

If you understood the importance of the Roman Legions in the creation and survival of the Roman Empire you would have a better appreciation of the story.

[@paulieheydrich9772]

It's just one of the million amazing things Germany has done

[@someonefar5600]

That's right. Especially when one starts to bundle facts and assumptions and fit them to their preconceived script

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Fascinating!

[@xornxenophon3652]

Well Varus, you have been BLITZED!

[@Rubytuesday1569]

Interesting stuff. I enjoyed it very much.