New Zealand Travel Budget - Campervan Roadtrip

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TIM and FIN

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@Lina-after-dark
@Lina-after-dark 4 жыл бұрын
The way he looks at her. Relationship goals. ♥️
@arentbrink2766
@arentbrink2766 3 жыл бұрын
I lived in NZ for 9 months and absolutely loved it. It is an amazing place.
@robinhahn6987
@robinhahn6987 7 жыл бұрын
Spot on! You guys did it perfect: the natural aspect of New Zealand is indeed the most appealing part. Well done, Tin and Fin!
@kiwikorean
@kiwikorean 4 жыл бұрын
I just discovered you guys and your channel. I'm a Kiwi and pretty much agree with everything you guys said, especially how expensive everything is. Love your New Zealand vid and will watch more of your other stuff as well. Oh, I loved the Alaska one too. Take care guys.
@lilybattershill7260
@lilybattershill7260 6 жыл бұрын
Ahhh this is making me SO excited! Moving over there from the UK in just over 2 weeks...!
@jokhasaid3499
@jokhasaid3499 5 жыл бұрын
How was it ?
@mpower6004
@mpower6004 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips guys . I always say that if you on the budget you can save money by going to the local grocery stores and by everything there instead of dine out eer day . Also by renting the van allowed you great flexibility and save on accomodation.
@mattheginger
@mattheginger 7 жыл бұрын
New Zealand actually has some of the best internet in the world, with regards to UFB fibre optic networks, available to most households in the country. But publicly available free wifi sucks, I mean... it REALLY sucks, which is strange given the significance of our tourism industry.
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
We've been corrected a few times now because we had no idea that REAL internet existed since we only dealt with public wifi. No idea why it's so drastic a difference! We'll have to make a video going around speedtesting internet at peoples houses....just knock on doors and ask if we can connect to their wifi. First business to let tourists park their vans/RVs and use unlimited fast internet for the duration of their stay is going to be booked through the whole year.
@jaymagnus154
@jaymagnus154 3 жыл бұрын
instaBlaster...
@aprilpeach4340
@aprilpeach4340 7 жыл бұрын
Great video guys, love the banter :) My husband and I were those campers that pitched a tent and ate ramen! We did two weeks of ramen, bananas, instant soup and muesli bars (>_
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
April! Thanks for saying hi! You guys are stronger willed then us. We slept pretty poorly for the six weeks we were there....if we didn't keep our bellies filled one of us would have probably ended up buried in NZ! We were blown away by just how much there was to do for $0- truly, the best stuff there was free. Best hiking we've ever done.
@haydenw6585
@haydenw6585 7 жыл бұрын
Heads up intrepid travellers , New Zealand country side is becoming covered in backpacker shit and toilet paper to the extent that kiwis have nicknamed these budget camper vans "Shit and Run Vans" they are literally everywhere, so if you want to travel New Zealand expect lots of shit and run vans and too many people at spectacular sites , New Zealand has literally been over sold to the tourists So if you come here please respect our country, thanks
@leiareis5317
@leiareis5317 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, me and my husband recently have spent one week in the South Island and we recorded the best moments, check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jojGimqZqpaipas
@Longtack55
@Longtack55 6 жыл бұрын
Which "island?" Do you realise that it's about 2000kms around either the North or South Islands and NZ doesn't have rapid highways?
@Lina-after-dark
@Lina-after-dark 4 жыл бұрын
@@haydenw6585 I'm so sorry that you have to see your beautiful home literally going to shit. I seriously feel your pain and anger though and its justified. NZ looks like a dream and not enough people go there with enough gratitude to respect it. Sending love. Sorry about the a-holes.
@reneemitchell157
@reneemitchell157 4 жыл бұрын
Skinny Mobile, $20NZD ($12USD) for 7 days of unlimited internet, calls and txt. You can hotspot so only one needed per group. It's true, public internet is hard to come by. We are from NZ and were so shocked when we went to the USA and had wifi in a small grocer in New York. Public Libraries in NZ are a good place to get wifi.
@meglomania2001
@meglomania2001 5 жыл бұрын
I got lucky. Paid £29 total, to hire a hire car for 10 days in the South Island. Took a tent with me. Averaged about £5 a night. Add petrol and food plus a few extras. Probably less than £400. Flights from UK about £650. Beat that,if you can!
@callumclairesadventures8793
@callumclairesadventures8793 7 жыл бұрын
You guys are a fantastic resource for planning a trip, and, getting inspiration for a trip! I really enjoy watching your adventures. Thank you so much for taking the time to make these vids!!
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Claire! Hearing feedback like this helps A TON in planning out what kind of videos we should make in the future. Hope you have a blast in NZ and fingers crossed that we helped you plan your budget a little bit better!
@lc3763
@lc3763 6 жыл бұрын
Claire Dunsmore. Your Beautiful !
@brycefedor7293
@brycefedor7293 6 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic video! I am planning on heading to NZ with my girlfriend in 2019 and this was super helpful. Obviously costs may be slightly different, but this gives us a good idea. Now off to check out more of your vids. Thanks!
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bryce! We made this video because so many people talk about NZ being prohibitively expensive. It gets much more affordable if you can split the campervan rental with someone else and stay out of hotels/bnbs.
@alfonta
@alfonta 7 жыл бұрын
I survived to the end ! You’res was much cheaper but maybe good for summer... If you want more comfort for shorter time take upgraded camper that you can do anything in car right when you park until next morning without going out , especially when it rains As long you have a self contained camper
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
We would have done self contained in a heart beat but the price was SO much more. It definitely opens up the amount of sites you can stay at if you have self contained but we couldn't justify the amount of money.
@alvaromirambellliminana5019
@alvaromirambellliminana5019 7 жыл бұрын
i am jeulous with your trip, i hope to visit new zealand any time, it is the most adventure country
@Tararsupport
@Tararsupport 6 жыл бұрын
Finally I found beautiful New Zealand travel guides
@anneshaw9681
@anneshaw9681 6 жыл бұрын
What a great smile Tim. Wish i could smile naturally. I can't
@kingkenny334
@kingkenny334 6 жыл бұрын
Superb vlog with great info. I’m going to New Zealand for 2 weeks in 2020. This has really helped. Thank you so much 👍
@smooch5126
@smooch5126 3 жыл бұрын
Informative video, thanks. Can you share any info on where you can take a shower when you spend most of your nights in a Campsite with just toilet facilities?
@georgiacook2990
@georgiacook2990 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! I'm travelling to New Zealand soon, this was very helpful! I was just wondering where you found the alternative caves with glow worms? Do you have a video for this? Thanks 😊
@mrebel62
@mrebel62 6 жыл бұрын
I'm leaving for NZ in two weeks and this video is great news. I was kinda worried about my budget but I think I'll do just fine with what I plan to take. If anyone's around and fancy some tequila I'll bring a couple bottles for my bday
@hannewolthuis3058
@hannewolthuis3058 6 жыл бұрын
thank you guys so much!!! I'm planning a solo travel/working holiday thing and your video was so useful and also fun to watch :)
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
You're NZ bound then? Have fun, swat as many sandflies as you can, get your boots muddy, and hope you have the best time!
@MrSilverfish12
@MrSilverfish12 5 жыл бұрын
just fyi if its holiday season the speed tolerance from cameras go below 5km/h. I know in my area its a 3km/h speed tolerance.
@darrenchoy
@darrenchoy 2 жыл бұрын
hello! really loved the video, it was super informative with great tips! Just one question- how did you both solve your power issues for phones, laptops and cameras?
@mvaigafaf
@mvaigafaf 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Fruit and vegetables are cheaper in fruit shops than supermarkets.
@scottbosson7944
@scottbosson7944 6 жыл бұрын
You guys missed taranaki... that place has so many free places and activities same as rotorua but theyre more expensive
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
We did miss taranaki....we only had six weeks to explore! There were so many places where we didn't spend enough time.
@DutchNomadFamily
@DutchNomadFamily 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think $90 a day is still quite expensive, but luckily the wine is affordable.
@Andy_M986
@Andy_M986 6 жыл бұрын
No internet?crap!! all you needed was a router to pick it up as you drove around,like some tourists do,you're correct about it bein expensive,but it is in most places around NZ,maybe not in deep valleys covered in trees,but it is around,and vodafone sim cards are in lots of places.
@robbriffa
@robbriffa 6 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. Why didn't you catch your own fish to eat. Lived there for 5 years and the fishing is fantastic.
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
We totally could have done that but.....we were living in close quarters anyway. Dealing with fishing gear, cleaning fish, etc would have been of a bit too much.
@kimberllylu4629
@kimberllylu4629 7 жыл бұрын
Do you have any video for activities tips? As you mentioned many activities in NZ are expensive, like the glacier tour, bungee, skydiving, and all the outdoor activities
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
We should probably do a video of our favorite activities while there. Everything was just so incredibly expensive to do that even if we had the extra money it would have still been difficult to pay so much. The best things were free/inexpensive like any of the major hikes around the South Island, driving through and camping in the Sounds. In fact, just the act of finding our campsite each day and exploring the area around it became the activity. timandfintravel.com/best-new-zealand-day-hikes/
@jonobarnett4020
@jonobarnett4020 6 жыл бұрын
I really would recommend staying away from the activities and as the video guys mentioned try to do the free things like hiking, swimming and adventuring.
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
It’s funny that so many tourists in NZ get a bad rap as “cheap” tourists. While there are really terrible campervanners who don’t pay park fees (and trash sites), NZ is home to some of the most incredible free stuff to do in the world.
@jonobarnett4020
@jonobarnett4020 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely! I think there is a misconception that New Zealand will be a sort of resort destination that you can travel through in about a week. If you take that kind of atitude it will be super expensive, but it's how the country makes a lot of its money on people who are here for the activity experience. Really is good id you take a bit of time.
@britliseee
@britliseee 6 жыл бұрын
Super useful, thanks guys!
@thekellymagazine3736
@thekellymagazine3736 6 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. My boyfriend and I are in New Zealand right now as part of our working holiday and we would love to go search for a cave with glowworms ourselves without paying a lot for a tour. Where did you find a cave with glowworms which you could enter by yourselves? I will definitely subscribe to your channel! Love it :).
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
www.backpackerguide.nz/free-glowworm-caves-in-new-zealand/ We checked out the ones in Hokitika. We had to deal with a few tourists that thought they should have their flashs on their phones turned on to take pictures at night 🙃
@kelseyingham7129
@kelseyingham7129 6 жыл бұрын
what is the location shown at 13:20? it looks stunning and want to add it to my list 😍
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
Southarm in Fiordland. It was awesome....but the sandflies chased us out of there. We didn't even stay there that night! It was down a super long gravel road and tough to get to.
@Taruchia
@Taruchia 4 жыл бұрын
Oh Vodaphone you should have informed yourself before, for the same amount of money you could have had "Spark" instead, and have internet almost everywhere in NZ.
@traceydosser1520
@traceydosser1520 5 жыл бұрын
Loved your video .. makes me want to go back. 🙂 🇦🇺 👍
@fishon8235
@fishon8235 4 жыл бұрын
If you think beer is expensive in NZ wait till you go to Aussie! 🤣🤣🤣
@anneshaw9681
@anneshaw9681 6 жыл бұрын
How much was it to take van from South to North island
@SashaBricout
@SashaBricout 6 жыл бұрын
cool video guys ;) thx for tips
@alexanderoquendo243
@alexanderoquendo243 6 жыл бұрын
Where are you guys from, I wonder.
@mysurlytrucker7510
@mysurlytrucker7510 6 жыл бұрын
Yes obviously not the apples don't feel I should really need to say that but there you go
@devlinlynden
@devlinlynden 7 жыл бұрын
i dont get the internet thing, im from New zealand and i live rurally in the south island and like my 4g is great and my broadband internet is fast enough, like i can stream 4k and stuff, I think its around 43down 5up. And on holidays that ive had i america and europe its almost impossible to find internet, or at least in my experience, the only advantage is that the mobile data is way cheaper in those places. But then again if you live in new zealand data can become cheapish because you get bonuses and free hotspots and crap.
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Devlin! I hope we didn't misrepresent internet....i think our major frustration was wherever we found it it was pricey and limited. Lot's of places only gave away 100 mb's which isn't something you can really do much with. I think the major proof of the "visitor" experience with internet is how crammed with tourists all the libraries are. I mean, we weren't even there at peak tourism and I think every library was stacked up with campervanners any time we swung by. In the town outside of Milford, the library even had a separate room for all the people using wifi. When we tried to do an hours work from restaurants/coffee shops/ hotels, internet was too expensive for how limited it was. The four gigs we got on our mobile sim was on par with US prices, but trying to upload a video anywhere would have been difficult outside of using the library. Just wanted to explain where we were coming from!
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 7 жыл бұрын
TIM and FIN the internet issue can at least partly be traced back to... Most New Zealanders have landline, broadband (often fiber these days) internet connections in their homes (often/usually at a flat rate for unlimited data, but if your usage is low you can get metered plans which are cheaper... Or could last I checked), and Those are mostly very good (and the routers have built in wifi) so there's less day to day demand for public internet access than you might expect, and the population is small to start with, so... Yeah. Right PitA for visitors, admittedly, but if you Live here, it's fine. Public access internet is... Highly variable... And yeah, mobile data is rubbish and stupidly expensive, though that's not strictly an NZ thing, to my understanding.
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for throwing some useful info about the ole' internets out here! Maybe next time we need to look into the Airbnb space and stay away from those campgrounds with the metered access. I think you nailed it with "public access internet is...highly variable..." After seeing what a crowded mess libraries are with visitors clamoring for internet, I'd be surprised if locals didn't dislike all the visitors that tourism brings in just a little bit...
@Iholsinger
@Iholsinger 6 жыл бұрын
This may be a silly question, are you talking US-Dollars or NZ-DOllars? Nice video, keep it up!
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
Not a silly question- Everything is broken down into US dollars. Keepin mind that we're diving the daily cost by two since there were two of us splitting everything. So when we mean $45 USD/day, that mean that between both of us it was $90.
@ColbsterzSnowboarder
@ColbsterzSnowboarder 6 жыл бұрын
I'm reading through wicked campers terms and it says if you drive on unsealed roads you'll be fined $1500. How did you get around that?
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
Whoa! That either wasn’t on our contract or I didn’t notice it- it’s strange because there are a ton of gravel roads just getting to well known tourist spots even if you aren’t trying to get off the beaten path.
@ColbsterzSnowboarder
@ColbsterzSnowboarder 6 жыл бұрын
TIM and FIN that's what I was confused about? And obviously several pictures they have on their website are people driving on gravel roads? Hmm. That's the one thing that threw me off. And the $3000 bond. Did y'all go with the Protection B Plan? Great videos btw. I just finished watching the hour and a half trip through New Zealand video! You guys are an inspiration! I'm about to go to New Zealand by myself but having someone special to share it with seems way cooler haha keep up the good work!
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
Whoa! Glad you found the video without ads. I'm sure you'll have a blast by yourself....there are lot of tour buses that bring people around the island if you're looking to meet some other travelers. We were going to actually do that when we didn't hink we could afford to rent a van. I know that I ended up paying the bond and it was returned to me after damages were taken out. I think we skipped some of the insurance because our credit card covered us.
@MrReddragongamingHD
@MrReddragongamingHD 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! My girlfriend and I are planning on going to New Zealand during the university break at the end of the year. This is our first time going overseas without parents and we have a limited budget. This video was a huge help. How did you guys find the temperature at night sleeping in the campervan?
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
The temp in the campervan was overall pretty good. We got heaps of free blankets that we washed up at WickedCamper. That being said, we did have a few nights on the south island that got COLD. We ended up warming the van up using the car heater to where it was like a sauna inside and then try REALLY hard to fall asleep before it got cold.
@MrReddragongamingHD
@MrReddragongamingHD 6 жыл бұрын
Haha that sounds like a great tip! Thanks for replying and again, loved the video.
@leerob6426
@leerob6426 6 жыл бұрын
If you're visiting around November /December /January/February its Summer -you'll be fine :-) Youll freeze your ass off June, July, August 😊
@Andy_M986
@Andy_M986 6 жыл бұрын
Try buyin beer in Australia,even more expensive,crazy expensive.
@goodfather9590
@goodfather9590 6 жыл бұрын
Hy bro i from indonesia, that's place so awesome
@enzeda
@enzeda 5 жыл бұрын
Very informative, If you want internet 4G in NZ use "Skinny"
@Taruchia
@Taruchia 4 жыл бұрын
You think gas in NZ is expensive? For us from Germany it was cheap. You think internet is expensive in NZ? Compared to the little data in Germany that you get for the same money per month, NZ is really cheap. You think connection on NZ was bad for the kiwi? It is actually pretty good compared to the country-side in Germany. --- Yes, Germany is expensive with crappy internet, like in the 3rd world it's better internet. Remember this!
@avnindersingh8760
@avnindersingh8760 5 жыл бұрын
$4000 U.S Or $4000 New Zealand ???
@fanny8874
@fanny8874 5 жыл бұрын
Written every Time...... USD
@anneshaw9681
@anneshaw9681 6 жыл бұрын
I budget $300 a day in Europe for the both of us. I think i would spend more in NZ. Bloody expensive.
@oibaf1420
@oibaf1420 3 жыл бұрын
$300 a day in Europe?? Have you been staying in very expensive hotels every day? 150 per day is quite a lot...
@AmyProctor
@AmyProctor 7 жыл бұрын
Great videos! You guys are adorable, too. :)
@saeedurrahman1963
@saeedurrahman1963 5 жыл бұрын
Hi
@piermitch
@piermitch 5 жыл бұрын
I found Wikicamps really better than Campermate.
@breezethrough3799
@breezethrough3799 6 жыл бұрын
Are you related to Liam Neeson? 😜
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
HAHA. Why does this keep coming up? oh yeah- my nose.
@georgesheriffsylva1376
@georgesheriffsylva1376 5 жыл бұрын
Try and do it without anything, i do it everyday
@bluboy-ek9px
@bluboy-ek9px 7 жыл бұрын
new zealand is expensive to travel...living costs are rising...you have to be really well off to travel nz...
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
It sure is. Hopefully we helped out by showing how to do it on the cheap with two people.
@anneshaw9681
@anneshaw9681 6 жыл бұрын
Agree. Gas is 33% more than Australia . Food is dearer than Australia. Accomodation about the same.
@rickratcliff6231
@rickratcliff6231 5 жыл бұрын
Sandflies!
@drewbrodie7802
@drewbrodie7802 5 жыл бұрын
Hey guys you just lit a fire in a no fire zone. Please never do that in here again. Thanks!
@hassanmustaphaa6643
@hassanmustaphaa6643 6 жыл бұрын
May be for the internet part, you guys had a phone with a bad quality I.e $50 dollar NZ PHONE. Becouse if you think about it, you expect the internet on the phone to be bad. But other than that the internet of the country is decent and I don't agree when you guys said nz wins the worst internet. We use 5GB internet so I guess that's pretty fast. But yeah just saying
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
This was quite a few years ago Hassan. I've heard cell data is much better now and way more affordable. Something that I don't think is different is that wifi at businesses (cafes, restaurants, hotels) had a super small data cap. Most places in the US offer people unlimited internet. You can tell this was a major issue because the public libraries in NZ were absolutely swamped with tourists using the internet (us included)!
@Trojan9015
@Trojan9015 7 жыл бұрын
lol what there`s Interent every where. If you don`t have service on your cell phone your data will not work
@jareds001
@jareds001 7 жыл бұрын
Broooo our internet ae wtf lol and the shit phone providers..some phone providers now do unlimited data for like $100 month
@angesosamx
@angesosamx 4 жыл бұрын
New Zealand has the best 5g in the world, don’t know what are you talking about, I have Spark Vodafone sucks, and there are plenty places with free wifi, so many ppl here work as freelancers. Just the way you say it sounds typical US attitude. 🙄🤦🏽‍♀️
@timandfin
@timandfin 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the helpful tips! We had a super tough time finding 5G signal in 2017 when we filmed this but thanks for gently correcting us.
@NomadSunBae
@NomadSunBae 4 жыл бұрын
thats a very asshole comment so say about people from the states, why do you have to generalize? Just enjoy the content! Thanks Fin and Tim for the great vblog!
@tjsoulsurfer45
@tjsoulsurfer45 6 жыл бұрын
The shameless plugs really cracked me up 😂 I love my country but ffs its expensive.. thank fcuk for the wine.
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
For being legendary drinkers you guys sure pay the price. $$$ Gave us the chance to become experts on New Zealand wine though!
@mohdnohhussin6793
@mohdnohhussin6793 6 жыл бұрын
he looks like liam neeson
@hannahdewe7077
@hannahdewe7077 5 жыл бұрын
Cringing at how you chose vodaphone.. next time please go with 2degrees, I get one hour a day of unlimited data and then you can buy unlimited data per hour on the same app... You just need to know whee to go!
@timandfin
@timandfin 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah....things probably changed. This was three years ago! Instead we were crammed in the libraries all across NZ.
@hannahdewe7077
@hannahdewe7077 5 жыл бұрын
It’ll be good for your next visit! The Catlins is also a really beautiful place, waterfalls, beaches etc!
@meditationbreath
@meditationbreath 4 жыл бұрын
too funny!
@renaultDave
@renaultDave 6 жыл бұрын
Don't make NZ sound very fun!!!
@timandfin
@timandfin 6 жыл бұрын
NZ is a blast! It's just better to be prepared for what it actually is compared to what the NZ tourist website shows!
@jamesbaker2710
@jamesbaker2710 7 жыл бұрын
You can park on the side of the road anywhere in nz and no one really minds....
@haydenw6585
@haydenw6585 7 жыл бұрын
James baker no you can't and yes we do mind you shitting in our forests littering them with piles of toilet paper not cool
@Longtack55
@Longtack55 6 жыл бұрын
Bullshit! We do mind and we object to ill-informed idiots coming here and making silly assumptions about us. Spend your money then fuck off back home :-) I particularly despise tight-arse Germans thinking that they're going to have a fantastic time trying hard not to spend a pfennig. Don't forget to wash every day or two if you're staying in public huts. It is not cheap but not like Switzerland. Shut the fuck up after 10 p.m. Internet isn't available everywhere as there are many isolated areas where no-one lives and which you may need to transit. Haast now has cell-phone coverage May2018..
@geoffreyphilip
@geoffreyphilip 6 жыл бұрын
David you're a disgrace and everyone I apologize on behalf of him. Yes I'm a kiwi and you'll hardly find pricks like him. You can't camp anywhere as you may be fined by the local council. Welcome to our beautiful country
@christiananderson2816
@christiananderson2816 2 жыл бұрын
australia is way worst then nz
@Trojan9015
@Trojan9015 7 жыл бұрын
lol what there`s Interent every where. If you don`t have service on your cell phone your data will not work
@timandfin
@timandfin 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Troy! Yes- there is internet everywhere- whats different about NZ is 1.) The speeds we encountered were terribly slow and 2.) it was one of the few countries where data was given out in increments. For example, with purchase at a restaurant/campground guests only got 100mb of data. Most other countries don't limit you by quantity of data, rather by time.
@Trojan9015
@Trojan9015 7 жыл бұрын
yeh well i see your point now lol. We are we bit behind the times with internet in some places lol.
@devlinlynden
@devlinlynden 7 жыл бұрын
its just a way to try and get more money out of you really.
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