TIMING and COILING - THE RUBBER BAND EFFECT (A.B.C!)

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In this video, I tell more about TIMING and how to use your CORE to feel the rubber band effect.
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[@ciromassa7322]

So, my only problem with this, it seems as though you want us to push off back leg(squish the bug technique). My back leg kinda just de weights. It's hard to do those body checks with deweighted leg.

[@dgspindoctor]

Nope, not at all. Of course you "push" off the back leg, like you are doing when you walk or run, but it really is not a "push" and certainly not a squish. You want to get ALL the weight to your brace leg before you start the upper body. So no, not squish and not push off, unless that's needed for you to get to front leg. I have talked about pushing off the back leg earlier, and I mean not to push yourself up and over the brace. You need to get to your front leg and stop the momentum there. Squish the bug is the intentional twisting of the foot, and that I don't promote at all. The twist happens because you rotate by weight shifting and uncoiling.

[@mariosworld4423]

is it correct to say that you should brace on the backleg before weight shifting and then brace on the front leg? @@dgspindoctor

[@dgspindoctor]

@@mariosworld4423 I wouldn't spend any time thinking about the back leg.

[@EmersonJ_]

every time I watch one of your videos, I do whichever motion you're teaching and it feels like a revelation. thanks so much for making these in the way that you do. I've yet to find another channel that connects for me like this one.

[@dgspindoctor]

Wow, thank you!

[@2ndchancefitnessnutrition175]

Don’t sell yourself short as a teacher/coach. Keyboard warriors will be there no matter what any coach/teacher/mentor does to help the vast majority. Just because they can’t do it, or don’t want to offer anything for free. I’ve improved my personal game by an average of 6 strokes watching and applying what you teach in your videos. For me I am personally very grateful for finding your channel. Thank you for being the teacher/coach that you are.

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks! While I know perfectly fine that I'm a coach and not even an amateur player anymore, it needs to be adressed every f*cking time. And look at Josh from Overthrow, does the same.

[@rageoid]

Nah, you are off base there buddy - the ABC is: Always Biggest Comprehension on this channel ! Thanks again for what you give us ! It's your compound takes, not a ton of tiny details that are incomprehensible. I've known for years what I need to do, I can just never really translate it fully to execution - that's where you come in !

[@RGMDG]

A. B. C. Always Brilliant Coaching. Thank you for another great lesson!!

[@dgspindoctor]

My pleasure!

[@pbodys16]

This man is the wolf of disc golf

[@angrybuzzy]

Your opening reference to Glengarry Glen Ross was great. hahaha "Distance drivers are for coilers only."

[@dgspindoctor]

Pure coincidence.

[@davidsherwood9278]

So good! Scores keep going down down down! THANKS DOC!

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you like them!

[@dirtbagfrisbeeskaterboy]

This is where it is at. Finally, someone who can walk in their own lane. Calm, well reasoned. Playing the long game. Thanks for your wisdom.

[@dgspindoctor]

Awww... thanks!

[@SmarteeSteve]

You do it more properly and know more about it than almost all of us and that is why we're grateful you teach us! I can really see the power your timing creates too.

[@jaswan79]

I have watched this video in the past, but needed to figure other things out first before it really clicked with me. Once I finally felt what a real brace was like I can finally work on this timing.

[@Ikapab]

Watched all of your videos (thanks for all the great content by the way), and many other videos from other coaches, this is by far the one that helped me the most. I've been playing for a few years and would occasionally throw 105-110m on a lucky throw on the driving range; most of the time 95-100m. It took a bit of testing at home and several hours on the field, experimenting with delaying the coil, etc. but managed to toss a disc 128m the other day and have been consistently throwing 110-115m. Still doing all of my drives stand-still to reduce the amount of moving parts and I feel there's quite a bit more to work on to get even more distance. This is probably the biggest distance increase I've had from one technique. Thank you!

[@dgspindoctor]

Oh wow. That is a big gain right there!

[@TheTiredWanderer]

DG Spin Doctor at it again.

[@sampsa7728]

We need that 1on1 training for sale! :D Thanks again for the video.

[@BigFlexy007]

One of the best teachers.. big thumbs up!

[@relaxingsleep6610]

Love your coaching style…really resonates with me. This is exactly what I’m trying to fix right now.. you have already fixed my brace!! Huge thanks for that 👍 I’ve made more advances in the last few months than in my many years of playing. Thanks to your guidance 🤟 Listen to this man…he’s da man (for me)

[@dgspindoctor]

Wonderful!

[@Stormfishingfordiscs]

This is the best vid you've made yet love it

[@zackp6794]

Love the “Always Be Coiling” 😂 Let’s get Alec Baldwin on a DG course

[@ShawnSchulz]

The disc golf is for coilers only at the end was awesome too.

[@dseeburger]

I wanted to cry when I went out and put this into action today. I have never ever ever been able to feel that rubber band and I finally did. Effortless distance when I got it right. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!! 4 years of playing and being frustrated why I wasn’t getting better with distance. I’m happy to finally be a coiler!

[@dgspindoctor]

Thank you for telling me this! And I am so happy for your progress! Keep it up!

[@dseeburger]

@@dgspindoctor Just a quick update, in the span of 4 weeks I have increased my distance from a max of 300ft to now hitting 400-420 regularly and I can see in my form videos there is still a lot of room for improvement. It has been absolutely game changing. Thank you again!

[@dgspindoctor]

@@dseeburger Thanks! You made my day!

[@mikahallikainen]

Thx again Jaani. Big respects

[@ConsensusReality]

nice job

[@brutusdk13]

Always a pleasure to watch your videos and the great explanations. Thank you !

[@throwing_circles]

I need to work on my over-exaggeration of my plant and coil. I had this going well a while back, and then lost it. Back to standstill and one steppers again until I can figure al this out. Another great video, Janni. Always appreciate your ability to make the complex simple! @DGSpinDoctor

[@dgspindoctor]

You can do it!

[@JuhoPesonen]

Thank you for this video. I have been watching millions of instruction videos knowing that there is some little thing out there that I am missing. Now it feels like this might be it. Always be coiling changed my throw a lot. Instead of trying to coil forward, I try to coil away from the line i am throwing. It feels counterintuitive and I would never have figured it out myself, but this video helped me a lot. I have always had a timing issue that I start throwing before my leg is planted, but always coiling helps with that a lot. Coil away until it becomes physically impossible to coil any more. Finally I jsve been able to crush those 1000+ rated rounds. Now I just need to find something similar for my putting...

[@dgspindoctor]

Backhand technique is like 20 per cent of the battle, but it helps alot :).

[@seppomeister7591]

Divine content as always

[@LifeOfTommie]

Helpfull as always. Going to try this tomorrow 🤟

[@123juantwothree123]

Awesome! Keep making videos brother. 👊🏾

[@ErnoAlias]

Boom! Tämä tuli kuin tilauksesta, juuri nimenomaan se mitä tarvitsen. Suurkiitokset Jaani🙏

[@lecosmique]

Excellent video, and a fine Glengarry remix. I really helps to have this kind of reminder to not try to uncoil (which leads to doing so too early) Still working on it, but your videos always improve my cognition of the what I need to do. Thanks Jaani!

[@datrucksdavea2080]

ty, been trying to copy my good throws , that have this rubberband thinking going on. Your tips will be a big help in developing more consistency.

[@erikverf1604]

Great video! A lot of my issues was helped by delaying the coil. I think many new adult disc golfers aren't physically ready to throw like the pros. Stiff and weak all over the place. Bad posture and balance. Maybe we don't coil as much as needed and instead lean back(and other stuff like planting open) in some unconciouss attempt to be "safer". We don't trust our body. Would love a video on preparing yourself physically for disc golf. Cheers!

[@joeblow2426]

The Rubberband Man (by the Spinners)! I see-for more tension get that hip check going forward while A.B.C. (Backward). That’s what I need to feel. Will do. Thanks dude!

[@EJtruck]

Second place...steak knives Third place...you're fired

[@mrdetermin3d445]

BOOM! That was easy... thanks for the video.. Good break down and explanation.. Subbed for the glasses 👓

[@dgspindoctor]

Appreciate it!

[@joshwise2930]

You're amazing. Love this!

[@Iliyena87]

I am having a hard time coiling when throwing slower discs I think, when really widerim-driving I tend to get a lag when I have a good day. But for eg. putters I am not coiling and definitely rounding, still getting ok distance compared to the disc used... Often doing standstills to get the timing correct in the woods for flipping and turnovers, less things to mess up :)

[@DiscBelief]

Yup I'm pretty sure I finally had my A Ha moment this morning on the course. So to see this now only reinforces that. Your trying to make your body go in different directions to build up that coil...then just snap it! Right? 🤷‍♂️

[@dgspindoctor]

Yes!

[@lankstasdglife3973]

The long throwers keep protracting and extending their shoulder until the reach back lands. A lot of people never protract and extend their shoulders at all when they throw. If you keep your shoulder fully extended until your plant hits the ground it’s going to be really hard to uncoil early.

[@dgspindoctor]

Exactly. And to really nail this home, you need to exaggerate and A.B.C. :)

[@smileyboy2700]

What do you mean by extending your shoulder until plant leg hits the ground?

[@lankstasdglife3973]

@@smileyboy2700 honestly I mean exactly that. It is going to be kind of hard to explain in writing alone, I’d be happy to do a video chat about it sometime or something, if you are on Facebook lemme know how to find you, I really think I could probably help you out. I don’t charge.

[@thompson222]

Yup. Gon put this in practice soon. I have a timing problem, I know it. How I know? Because I throw standstill almost as far as with x-step Back to the drawing board, first standstills then one step, then x-step when I feel ready

[@LimeS9696]

Are you relaxed in the forearm until the last second, and then squeeze the disc really hard?

[@dgspindoctor]

I would like to be, and no, you can't squeeze really hard knowingly. You just let it happen by instinct.

[@OjaiBonsai]

Your looks like this throw is still better than mine. I’ve been liking Burhs throw-it looks really thengthy and smooth. Thanks

[@konstaConstant]

Oof. Doing this really shows the tightness I have in my right groin. My groin starts feeling tight way before I get to feel the tension in the rib. Anyone else feeling the same?

[@caseygarfield8288]

The rule of ABC really means (Anthony Barela Crushes!)

[@dgspindoctor]

Haha, ABsolutely Correct!

[@mr.d2779]

Before this video, only coiling I was doing was in the bathroom

[@Andyofsuh]

Curious should it feel like the left side of your body is resisting against the right? I think im starting to understand it better..

[@dgspindoctor]

I wouldn't say so, but the torso indeed wants to twist back to neutral when you rotate for the reachback or coil.

[@Foxspinsdiscs]

Coilers only love you when they’re coiling - Stevie Nicks

[@teslaforkaaa]

Hey coach. Do you have any mobility drills do increase your ability to coil? I find it difficult

[@kimmomatikainen1843]

I am not the coach, but there are a lot of videos for "hip mobility" and "hip strenghtening". If you have time, I recomment to check some and see if you find excercises that you like. Unfortunately I don't have any recommendations. Also important to have a strong core. If you are not training your core, I highly recomment to start doing core training. You can do that at home and without any equipments. Good core is also an investment to future as it is important when we get older. I don't know if this helps at all.

[@dgspindoctor]

Exactly. I don't pretend to be an expert on mobility, so I will just say there are tons of good exercises out there.

[@teslaforkaaa]

Thanks boys

[@JimSoup-ft6mo]

Is your front foot supposed to bend a good amount when you push down?

[@dgspindoctor]

I wouldn't bend it intentionally. I would tense it.

[@AndyNotSoSmart]

I have been working on this for 3 years and still can't do it. I can barely throw 91 meters - 300 feet. I will try again.

[@AndyNotSoSmart]

What when & where is the moment when it becomes impossible to keep coiling?

[@dgspindoctor]

You will notice when it gets impossible.

[@AndyNotSoSmart]

@@dgspindoctor I think my coil is getting disrupted a lot before peak reach back. I have seen MOST of your videos. Are there some cues I can focus on to make sure I am keeping the coil before the reach back? Sorry if I missed something.

[@dgspindoctor]

You can keep on coiling even after the plant hits the ground, and you'll only get more power from it.

[@ortay3]

Are you coiling with the shoulders or with your core/abdominals?

[@dgspindoctor]

Kinda both. When the weight is on your back leg during the stride, the torso collapses on your back leg with the shoulders turning.

[@jackdaniels5683]

These tips seem to make sense but somehow the the not twisting the hips but weight shifting is really unintuitive

[@dgspindoctor]

The hips twist without twisting. And anyway, they don't need to twist all that much.

[@haydenhunt5397]

Coffee is for coilers, got it.

[@entropie]

Driving isn’t toiling; because we’re always coiling.

[@thesubstitute]

ABC...birdies are for coilers only

[@RBadding]

Good stuff - will try all of this today (at 6.00 am when the field is empty). And will come to realize that I still can't throw. I wonder about the "keep the disc in one place" advice though. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foXOcnWXnJ58Y5Y

[@dgspindoctor]

I never said anything about keeping the disc in place. Only that it stays in place because Eagle's upper body keeps coiling while the legs go forward. That just shows that he doesn't start the throw immediately as the plant hits the ground.

[@Latitude30Four]

*Coiler alert*

[@jerkwagon]

ABCUYACA. Always Be Coiling until yer arnt coiling anymore. :P. great video as always!

[@priitriisman5381]

This info is GOLD! Watched this video 2 hours ago, literally went to my local course (par rating rating on Metrix 957) 15 minutes later. Just got back from the course, shot my course record +1, had 6 birdies and one triple-bogie. My drives were 10+m longer, more controlled, straight and much less turning over. One drive was around 115m straight. This thing clicking on me just gave me such a hype to have another go at improving my game. Thank you!

[@drewbsn]

Don’t sell yourself short on the teaching. Pros may be able to do it better, but certainly cannot explain it better. You are a pro teacher 💪

[@dgspindoctor]

I appreciate that!

[@lauriviljanen154]

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[@macdrizzt3683]

Appreciate that you continue focusing on the key aspects of form and covering different specific details. Everyone learns differently and this one is definitely clicking for me. Gotta take it to the field now and try!

[@benharrison5816]

I've definitely hit that distance plateau, and I can see from filming myself that I've been planting a bit open and uncoiling too early, collapsing the power pocket. This is exactly what I need to work on.

[@Philip.Eriksson]

You don’t need to be elite to be teaching the elite. That’s not the case in many sports. I think it’s perfect with a coach that has primarily good coaching skills that has learned the sport. We should be thankful that you chose disc golf and help us develop and grow with the sport. Many coaches might have practiced it at some point but never been professional. Of course it happens, because ex-pros want to teach, but it’s no must. The teaching, dedication and analytic skills is what’s a must and far from everyone has that. I see some correlation with engineers and developers being put in managerial position without any management or people development skills. It just assumes that someone who got a skill can automatically coach and develop other in that skill. I would rather have a manager with managerial and people development skills over someone who is good at the job, because it won’t help unless he can coach and develop others.

[@dgspindoctor]

I have been trying and learning for 23 years now. That is a lot more experience in different styles and methods, making errors and asking questions than most of the pros have. Yes, they made it work. I didn't.

[@steveackerman5066]

Definitely a challenge to break my bad habits. Thanks again for taking the time to make this. Back to coiling.

[@Mrocax]

DG Spin Doc, can you give us a video for the noobs like me? There's so much info and technique out there that it's overwhelming figuring out where to start. It would be great to see something like "start with this, then let's refine from here".

[@Notimp0rtant523]

Can I ask you a question brother. Your front plant foot. Would you say it is better to land on the ball of the foot or the heel of the foot, or does it matter? Thank you

[@dgspindoctor]

The weight should be on the heel.

[@alwayswannarun]

This video came up when I got off work. To the field I went and this improved my timing. Always be coiling. Loading the gun. Front plant foot landing pulls the trigger.

[@villehytonen7279]

Will try this. My timing is a complete mess at the moment, hopefully this helps.

[@scotranney8456]

Yeah man, this is the final trick to getting good accurate distance, and it also happens to be the most difficult when it comes to good timing. I like to keep my eyes forward on the target until my upper body coil forces my head to the 90 degree mark where I can see the end of the reach and the target in my peripheral vision at the same time. Doing this puts just enough of a delay in the reach and keeps the hips forward just long enough to get all my weight on the brace before uncoiling. This also helps when I try to hold the disc in the "reach" position as long as possible even while I'm uncoiling. That's when the rubber band really stretches. Note: If you're new to this don't go 100% at first and be sure to warm up so you don't pull side muscles.

[@jackebner]

excellent lesson, much appreciated.

[@dgspindoctor]

You're very welcome!

[@gyronation9303]

Yeah for sure. I feel like a lot of people throw too early because we're taught that the reach back should peak when our front foot touches, so we equate our full reach back as "my front foot is touching" even though it's still in the air. Nothing should fire forward until the plant leg hits and takes weight.

[@earlthomas6295]

You get the like for the Glengarry Glen Ross reference. 'The discs are weak? You're weak. I've been coiling for 15 years.'

[@dgspindoctor]

One of the monologues in the history of film.

[@discgolfamateur2175]

Good video! One tip if you have problems getting the "feel" of coil/stretch in your core. Adding even a small step for me makes it hard or impossible to get that right feeling of the coil, don't know why, doing something wrong. But I figured that if I just focus on what works and feels good and really work that process into muscle memory, perhaps that will transist into the xstep later. Interesting enough, I asked about how one should feel in the abs/core on this particular channel about 1 year ago and a commenter responded "keep them abs loose". Well luckily I made my own conclusions based on own testing. A last note; this will take much time to incorporate! Younger people learn faster perhaps, but personally I been trying to get more boom into the core now for about 6 months and it is still not even close to where it should be. Thanks again for the video! Will try to add a one step into this drill tomorrow! Cheers!

[@HannuPulkkinen49]

How can you avoid lower back pain when twisting the middle body strongly. Every time I do "coiling" my lower back hurts.

[@dgspindoctor]

I exercise every day. But also I've had back problems since I was born, so I have no idea what is caused by disc golf and what is not. Anyway, I healthy human being is totally capable of reaching out without back pain, so you definitely need to check the problem with a professional therapist.

[@nickytfor3]

Spot on. Anytime I get this right my disc goes further.

[@trueethics6190]

love the way you put your thing down dude. keep it coming. Best.

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks, will do!

[@1andonlyMiro]

I had a hip injury (tore some cartilage while doing heavy squats) about 1,5 years ago and I finally realised why I've been losing distance in disc golf and having slight back pain on my left side after a full power shot. My left hip flexor is so tight my body refuses to coil as the left leg can't go behind my pelvis. It sort of causes my body to hit the brakes right before letting the shot go and that pull on my hip tightens my back and I just lose all smoothness and control. Damn does it feel good to finally throw with more force and accuracy with the help of simple stretches (although it will take a while to really get that hip flexor flexible again).

[@dgspindoctor]

Oh, I can relate.

[@1andonlyMiro]

@@dgspindoctor injuries aside, how does one balance high intensity gym training and disc golf? The only thing I'm 100% in this is that I should not try to make my putting as mechanical and repeatable as possible. I tried that and absolutely destroyed my putting for about 6 months. There is a sore/tight muscle SOMEWHERE about 90% of the time, so SOMETHING will not work exactly like it did the last time I practiced. For me, it is way better to focus on just hitting the basket "naturally", some days the putter just comes out of the hand ever so slightly faster or in a teeny tiny bit of a different angle or my weight shift isn't as fluid. I can't really explain it fully in English but I won't be making my putt any more "mechanical" than what it is now.

[@dgspindoctor]

@@1andonlyMiro First of all: always use lifting straps. If your fingers are cramping from deadlifting or pull-ups, you will never get the release right. This is KNOW for a fact, first hand knowledge (pun intended).

[@deslonj]

This was the disc golf/Glengarry Glenn Ross mashup that I didn't know I needed!

[@brianc1651]

This video might be the most useful video I have watched. Started doing this with the one step and it is going as far as my full run up did before this.

[@OkieTradez]

this is my issue .. uncoiling too early so all im getting is arm which is nice whip but the coil is what boosts you past 450ft.. gotta work on delaying or atleast coiling longer before uncoiling

[@jannejaakkola5836]

Yes! This is the exact video I've been waiting for one of you coaches to make. Good job. Another thing that makes it difficult to keep coiling is if you take too long of a last step (speaking from personal experience).

[@lawrencepopiel7949]

Really great lesson. Watched it this morning and tried ABC this evening at my local course. The disc was flying out of my hand like never before. Birdies are for Coilers!! Thank you for the DG help and for the David Mamet flashback

[@dgspindoctor]

Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, the monologue should be part of everyone's morning routine, too.

[@jimmyblundell7600]

I'm thicc and stiff. This is so hard to achieve.

[@OBWanLasTrueDon]

Coil count anyone?

[@brickchains1]

moose nuts swingin