Timing Chain Job Timelapse: Infiniti QX56

[@Cjcaraudio]

Im ready to do this job on my 08 armada, glad to see you dont have to remove the engine

[@haloguru2552]

PUBLIC NOTICE: We are starting to see stretched and whining chains yet again on 2014+ QX80s and QX56s that got the update timing chains. We are only seeing it on vehicles with poor oil change history. DO YOUR OIL CHANGES. It is extremely vital on a high stress engine like the VK56 direct injected. If you want to go the extra step, go back to the old 3750 maintenance schedule. Doing your oil changes on time will make all the difference in what kind of life you get out of that engine. A timing chain job once out of warranty is not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

[@Mabeylater293]

Just get a Lexus.

[@haloguru2552]

TruAgape1234 Eh, they have their problems too. *cough* ringland failure. It's really not a problem if the oil change is done on time.

[@ne634]

Doubt i get a reply on this old video. But what part # is the tool for the balancer removel? Ive been searching for hours

[@ne634]

@@haloguru2552 Read last comment please

[@haloguru2552]

@@ne634 its a nissan special too, youll have to call the dealer. You can get it off with a prybar though. Pry against the oil pan from the bottom or against one of the center timing cover bolts from up top (radiator must be removed for the latter). Do not pry against the face of the cover until its almost off to finish it rest of the way. Too much forve will crack the cover.

[@MadDan78]

great vid guys.. about to tackle this job myself is there a normal speed or slower speed version of it anywhere... was more interested in the section where the oil squirter is changed out?

[@wayned3137]

thanks a lot for the advice man. I did spend a long time cleaning the gaskets, I'm gonna try to cut it down next time. 6 hours wow that's crazy that's gotta be the record for the chain job.

[@haloguru2552]

There's a 65 year old tech that I work with, a shining example of what every technician should be, who does them too. We've been tag teaming them since the recall and day for day he's always 30 minutes faster than me. haha. I can't freaking beat that old man, he's just too good.

[@dr.jonathanaxtell6161]

@@haloguru2552 So, today I got BAD NEWS.... My '11 QX56 had the CHAIN Recall done at 90k miles.. I have 140k now. HP Fuel Pump BAD, Dealer said CHAIN,SPROCKET, BACK (?), HP Fuel Pump, Front Cover...ect… $6,000 later......……. Thoughts? Recommendations? Can you call or Email me.... [e-mail] (FOUR ZERO Seven) 962-621(ZERO) Jon

[@vic7780]

@Galen. Great video. It really showed me the amount of work going into my "new to me" 2013 Q56. if you don't mind, do you mind if I ask a question regarding this recall? Long story short, I am paying out of pocket to have this done and didn't know about the recall but the issues described sound like what was diagnosed and is being fixed in my own vehicle. Is there any way to check yourself to see if your vehicle is part of the recall? Also, are there any vehicles within that model year range (2011 - 2013) that do not have this issue? Why or why not? Thanks again for the solid content

[@haloguru2552]

The recall was cut off in 2017. It's no longer covered. All 2011-2012 are affected. Half year 2013 is affected. The chain design was updated halfway through 2013.

[@muchmore15]

How much did the repair cost you?

[@winghunter]

@@muchmore15 I was just quoted 7,000 +- from Roseville Infiniti

[@11green11]

Thanks for posting ! This is sooooooper helpful !💪😎👍

[@georgemcknight8255]

@Galen. Hey Galen I had a quick question. I own a 2011 QX56 that I purchased from the Infiniti dealer in the Spring of 2016. I just had a diag from the same dealer that timing chains need to be replaced. If they had the vehicle in 16 and sold it while the recall was alive, shouldn’t they have been responsible taking care of the recall while the truck was in their possession?

[@haloguru2552]

You'd need to look at the exact dates because the recall was active from spring 2016 to spring 2017. I believe it was just one year. If it was with in that time frame, yeah, that would have been the decent thing to do. At least my dealership would have. I don't know that it's required and I don't know about the legal ramifications though, because it's not a safety recall. Something you would probably have to take up with them. I don't that there's anything you can do about it now. You should have gotten a letter in the mail or something though.

[@marcianotarun4197]

Just wondering if you guys have done the M Takata airbag recall and how long does it takes you to do it?

[@haloguru2552]

I've done them. Takes about 2 hours.

[@loulattinii7219]

Let me know if you are available to do this or can point me in right direction. I have a ‘12 qx56 and the fuel lifter crumbled so I need to camshaft replaced as well. Chains were done under recall years ago, but I figured if it has to be reopened, might as well replace/upgrade guides, chains, etc. thanks!

[@haloguru2552]

Yeah I can do it. Where are you located? Hit me up on my burner email, if you want to get the car to me, we can discuss details there. [e-mail]

[@dougalhowat1420]

Great video, thanks. Any tricks on AC, or just full de-gas and re-gas after?

[@haloguru2552]

I did a full evac and recharge. Other guys in my shop do the job without pulling the radiator pack and they leave the system charged. Just unbolt the compressor and set it aside. But you don't get the big open space to work that way

[@dougalhowat1420]

@@haloguru2552 I had mine de-gassed, way nicer to work on without the radiator pack. Just resealed the engine. I purchased in Australia with 250k km, and P0088 high pressure fuel code. Chains had been replaced but not the oil jet. Found the tip of the old fuel pump in the timing chain cover and damage to the housing around the fuel cam. Fuel cam was 180 degrees out of time which I hope was the cause of the code. Replaced jet, chains etc, cam, lifter and TC cover (pump is new). Thanks again for your video, I've referenced it over and over during the job. I'll be finished in a few more nights. I can't imagine doing the hole thing in 8 hours, respect!

[@haloguru2552]

@dougalhowat1420 glad it helped you, sounds like you got it figured out. Just make sure the rod/ spring behind the fuel pump lifter didn't get damaged too. Sounds like someone tried to fix it before you but did a shit job

[@dougalhowat1420]

They replaced the fuel pump assembly, so spring / pushrod is all new. I've had it running about a week now. Previous codes have gone, I'm now getting intermittent low oil pressure and crank sensor faults. After replacing crank sensor and various other diagnostics, I found rh cam timing solenoid was sticking in the out position. Cleaned, it, now I'm only getting the fault occasionally if the engine is cold and accelerated hard. It runs very nicely the rest of the time

[@haloguru2552]

@dougalhowat1420 low oil pressure is concerning. Sometimes those metal shavings will stick things open, like the pressure relief valve in the oil pump. Ask me how I know

[@zachdalton4943]

Thanks for the vid! Saved me a bunch of time doing one of these!

[@haloguru2552]

Zach Dalton Glad it helped you! Just curious, are you a professional tech or diy for your own car?

[@zachdalton4943]

Galen I’m a tech of 18 years.

[@tiffanymoore544]

Hi quick question about this job, is there a way to take off the oil pan without dropping the rack and pinion

[@harisqureshi7469]

Great video! Would a 2023 QX80 need its timing chain replaced? I see it was not affected by the recall but is it still a wear and tear item? For example Honda V6 the timing belt is recommended every 7 years or 100,000 miles, is it similar with this?

[@haloguru2552]

There's no maintenance interval. It's only if it starts making noise or fails do you replace it. Change your oil every 5k on time, use synthetic. Should be fine. I would replace the high pressure fuel pump lifter bucket at 100k miles though, as a preventative repair. We see issues with them in high mileage and that becomes a very expensive repair.

[@craigwalker6204]

Awesome video. I’ve been watching it a lot lately. I’m in the middle of doing the job myself. It’s very hard work!!! Can I ask which way should the crank bolt be loosened? Then I’ve also still got the sump to pry off. I assume just some big screwdrivers?

[@haloguru2552]

It gets loosened the normal way, lefty loosy. It's on there extremely tight though. We have a special tool that holds the crankshaft to break it loose. I have to use a 3/4" breaker bar to get it loose, it's that tight. But recently I got a honda crank bolt remover socket. Special tool for removing tight crank bolts with just an impact. Just search it. I think Amazon has them now. It's a big thick socket about the size of an axle nut socket. There is a special puller tool you saw me use in the video. You can also pry it off but must be very careful or you will break the timing cover! You need a long thick pry bar. There are two long 10mm timing cover bolts directly over the pulley. Pry from the top, and fulcrum the pry bar off of the bolt on the driver's side. It requires a lot of force to pry off and you have to work it a mm at a time. Do NOT fulcrum the pry bar on the timing cover itself. You will break it. Ask me how I know.

[@craigwalker6204]

@@haloguru2552 thank you so much for getting back to me!! Much appreciated!! Is the Honda crank bolt remover a socket with thicker outer section so it has more mass impacting the bolt? You don’t by any chance have a link to the exact one?

[@haloguru2552]

@@craigwalker6204 No problem, and yes that's exactly what it is. www.amazon.com/Lisle-77080-Harmonic-Balancer-Socket/dp/B00RGNCV1U

[@craigwalker6204]

@@haloguru2552 awesome thank you so much. I actually managed to get it off using a trolley jack and 600mm breaker bar. Trolley jack to lift bar handle to loosen (I’m doing this on the floor without a lift). Now next hurdle is to get sump off. I have cut as much of the gasket as I can but it’s still being difficult.

[@haloguru2552]

@@craigwalker6204 The sump? You mean the upper oil pan? Pry from the back. On the passenger side, looking from the back, there's a good spot to put your pry bar between the pan and the block. Pry there, then go to the driver side from the front and pry from the slot between the block and pan. There's a bolt inside the pan too, you have to take the lower pan off first.

[@EdBwoy]

Nice video. Are you guys using the *Kent Moore J-45476 tool* to hold the ring gear in the back? If you've got another trick I'd like to know. I had a hard time trying to do this and couldn't find the tool anywhere in the US. 2nd point - I like whoever did the RTV job. You do it like me. Screw looking pretty, I'm not interested in pulling oil pans again when something leaks.

[@haloguru2552]

EdBwoy yes we are using that tool. The only other way is to wrap a chain wrench around the harmonic balancer which is a pain to do. And yeah, I definitely make sure I rtv the sealing surfaces well and get them surgically clean before applying the sealant. Haven't had a leak to date.

[@EdBwoy]

Galen Pritchard. Thanks. Same here on the sealing. Scrape, chemical clean, then a liberal amount of RTV. My jobs probably won't win any beauty contests, but they damn sure won't leak either. I've stripped the pulley clean off the rubber once, so I'll avoid holding the grooved surfaces to turn the bolt. Wanna hook a brotha up with one of those crank tools? Hehe

[@haloguru2552]

EdBwoy word

[@wayned3137]

my co-worker doesn't removed the diff he just drops it a little bit and somehow he managed to get the upper pan out but seems like it takes more time than removing the diff. I do it the same way you do by removing the diff but I only remove the driver side axle. how you do it so fast? I'm just trying to figure out maybe I did some extra work.

[@haloguru2552]

I use the same process that you see in my video. I got the process of cleaning all the old rtv silicone off the engine and pans down to 45 minutes; that really helped. Used to take me 2+ hours. It's also just doing a ton of them. At the time I made this video I had done about 25, and this one took me 10 hours. By the time I had done 50, I had it down to 8 hours. Ive done over 70 now and if I really concentrate, don't get interrupted, and keep my motions fluid and not waste any steps I can get it done in 6 hours. If I got on auto pilot, it's about 7.

[@easyx9mm]

WAYNE D u guys are stupid to talk about this shit here, next thing u know....they will cut your time on this job! Thanks a lot!

[@tylerwilkie5653]

I have a shop I trust that is wanting to do this job for me. They’re saying there are a couple of specialty tools they don’t have and that they’re attempting to locate. What tools would they be talking about and where could they be found?

[@haloguru2552]

Tools for removing and installing the oil jet. You can get them from an Infiniti or Nissan dealer but just give it a Google search, they may be available elsewhere

[@SugarShaneCustoms]

Hello, I am also in the DFW area. I have a 2012 Qx56 with 132K miles now, 100K when I got it. I am not sure if the timing chain recall was performed by original owner. I tried asking the dealership with my VIN and they said there was no information available. I took my High pressure fuel pump off and the lifter valve was broken at the bottom. I was able to prevent the pencil eraser sized center piece of the lifter valve from falling into the cam, because it was visible once I took the pump out. The other metal fragments would have fallen into the cam whenever the lifter valve started breaking, who knows how long ago. I started to have poor performance and fault codes P0087 and P0090, so that is why I decided to check the lifter valve. I just got the new lifter valve installed myself and everything put back together. If I wanted to have the timing chain and oil jet done by you would you be available and cost?

[@haloguru2552]

Drop me your email here so I can contact you, and I'll delete your comment with the email once I get it.

[@Polson3399]

I know this is 6 years old, but was wondering what you used to clean out the timing case? Saw you spraying something.

[@haloguru2552]

Just whatever our bulk brake cleaner is. They mix up the formula a lot. In my shop at home I use O'Reillys brand brake cleaner in an aerosol can, and acetone in spray bottles.

[@haloguru2552]

Any kind of non-residue leaving solvent will work. For instance, naptha and kerosene leave an oily residue. Brake cleaner, alcohol, and acetone do not. Before you apply the rtv silicone to the timing cover to reinstall it, you want the sealing surfaces SURGICALLY clean. Spray clean all the oil and shit from cleaning the parts off. Blow out all bolt holes with compressed air. Then take a clean white rag or shop paper towels soaked with solvent and wipe both surfaces twice before applying the rtv. Before you slap the cover on, check the block surface again, make sure no residual oil ran down. This has been my process since always and I've never had one come back leaking.

[@tekstoney]

what kind of crank pulley puller are you using? and how did you get the bolt loose we usually use a chain wrench on the pulley. nice video

[@haloguru2552]

tekstoney we use the nissan special tool. its a flywheel holder that bolts into a special hole on the upper oil pan, and has interlocking teeth that lock into the flywheel to hold it in place. there's also a nissan special tool used to pull the harmonic balancer off, i used it in this video. but if your crafty and careful, you can pry it off with a pry bar. careful you dont crack the front cover.

[@tekstoney]

oh man I need to look for those special tools. we're a small Infiniti shop but nobody here can do it as fast as you. takes us at least 2 days. thanks for the reply

[@haloguru2552]

are you a dealer or third party?

[@Habibi23725]

Is there a way you can send me the original video 🙏

[@y0uares0funny]

I've been waiting since June to have mine done here in anchorage alaska. The infiniti dealer closed about 4 years ago, so now the nissan dealer has to do it. They say they need a special jig to do this job; is that true? I've been told it is on backorder now and they didn't order it till August. so who knows when I will have it done. I can only wish they can do a the job like you. Awesome work and fast.

[@haloguru2552]

Thank you, sir much appreciated!

[@haloguru2552]

Hope you get your recall done soon. If you want to take a road trip to Texas, I'll have you in and out in a day. haha. I've done so many now that you could drop it off, go grab lunch and spend the afternoon sight seeing and come pick it up before close.

[@haloguru2552]

@Ben Rowe Azle, TX. Outside of Fort Worth.

[@TPRighteous]

Is this still under recall if I purchase now? and besides this is the vehicle reliable?

[@andregraymortgage]

I have a 15 and took it to the dealer and they said I need a new engine? Only issue is it doesn’t start.. just long crank. I’m going to try start fluid first.. if it cranks it’s the fuel pump. If not I’ll give new spark plugs Wish me luck

[@Mrkevi123]

If it cranks, could be the fuel pump. Also the security light may prevent it from starting. The the light with the car and key symbol on?

[@truth4reel]

I know it's an old vid but I'm doing a 2012 QX56 that came from the auction 206k miles. Truck would die under acceleration. Found out HPFP wasn't working because lifter was stuck in its bore and developed a hole at the bottom. Drive came is shot too. So if the T-chain recall was done on this one is it necessary to do it again? Is it necessary to also change the intake phasers and oil pump? Also the amount of intake valve carbon is insane on this engine. Thanks

[@haloguru2552]

Sorry I didn't see this sooner. If the chains are the new design and are still good, you don't need to. If it's the old chain design, replace them. No need to replace the oil pump. I've been seeing you're issue a lot more recently. Not sure exactly what causes. Maybe lack of lubrication from long oil change intervals. Usually it requires pulling the timing cover but if you can get the lifter bucket out, you may be able to emerey cloth the hpfp drive cam, stick a new lifter in, and roll it .

[@haloguru2552]

And by intake phaser I assume you mean the variable intake cam sprocket? Not necessary to change it. On another note of my suggestion to emerey cloth and roll it, that's for light scratching. If it's shot, then you'll have to replace it.

[@8888minombre]

Great vid do you have a video how to remove the oil jet

[@haloguru2552]

Sorry, I do not. I would have to dig up the old footage and re-edit everything. I just don't have the time to. There is a special tool for removing it. It's a small puller. Clamps on both sides of the jet and pulls it out as you run the nut down. Super simple. Call your local nissan or infiniti dealer. You can probably buy the tool through them or possibly borrow it with a deposit, if they're willing. But I'm sure there's a tool out there available that's been copied from the nissan tool. I've gotten them out with pliers before but it was sketchy. I haven't been able to do that last couple ones I did. Not sure why. They just wouldn't come with pliers.

[@yoceg10]

My new updated timing chain line up with old crank gears is necessary to replace crankshaft gears to?

[@haloguru2552]

The crank gears should be replaced as well.

[@rileyjenk]

This is an awesome video....you wouldn't happen to be willing to answer a question or to and help me sort a VK56VD issue would you?

[@haloguru2552]

Sure thing, what's your question?

[@rileyjenk]

@@haloguru2552 I won't bore you with the whole story.....but I am the owner of a new to me qx56 with an engine that has experience what one would call a "catastrophic failure of timing." So now I am in a situation where I need to replace the motor. The trick is that the supply of used VK56vd engines is very low that matches the part number for the 2011-2014 Qx56/80. A newer model year engine is easily purchased but my attempts on determining how different those two different version are has been unsuccessful and I am not willing to gamble without more data. Any experience or ideas on where that information could be found. Infinit Dealer hasn't been much help (can't blame them) and reaching out to corporate has been a black hole of failure . Full story: infinitiforum.net/infiniti-forum/threads/my-white-whale-will-i-conquer-or-will-it-conquer-me.15272/

[@richphero106]

@@rileyjenk I read your story, sorry to hear about your failures. It’s good to know about the VK engine during 2011-2013. Almost every time I search up anything related to the reliability of these things, everyone jumps off they’re high horses and say it's the most bulletproof product they have ever had haha!

[@chownzi2461]

What did it sound like before and any codes?

[@dee2759]

How did you get the oil jet tool?? I can’t find the tool

[@pirasanthlanka3195]

Awesome thanks

[@abdullaal-salem4776]

Best video nice job ✌

[@haloguru2552]

Thanks!

[@AndrewMugnetsyan]

So the timing chain problem is only in 2011-2013 models year?Can you please say after 2013 models year of the m56 doesn't have the chain problems too?

[@haloguru2552]

It applies to the M56 and QX56 model years 2011-2013 only. After 2013, it does not apply. Those vehicles already have the updated parts from the factory.

[@bosco1076]

Galen Pritchard how good is the replacment chain and how long will it last.

[@hectorpina682]

Have a 2014 QX80 i bought in June 2020 with the same issue. Just got quoted $5200. Sigh.

[@michaelevans9831]

I have a 2011 QX56 do you have a parts list for this job?

[@haloguru2552]

Call your local infiniti dealership, they should have the parts list or can get it. There's an old bulletin for it. If you're buying the parts from them, they'll pull it up and find everything.

[@EvanBoothe-p7g]

Did you time without removing the valve covers?

[@haloguru2552]

Yes. Valve covers stay on.

[@walb007]

Hi Galen, question somewhat related to your video (great video BTW!). I'm looking at a 2012 QX56 wih 74K miles, is there a way to know if the timing chain has already been replaced? TIA

[@haloguru2552]

walb007 call an Infiniti dealer. Give them the vin, have them look it up. By the way, infiniti is dropping coverage of the recall sometime this month. It needs to be done NOW if it hasn't been, or you'll miss out on a free chain job.

[@Baytowntx83]

@@haloguru2552 where are you located? I'm looking for a kit for my 2012 qx56 and I'm also needing it fixed

[@haloguru2552]

joe torres I'm in the dfw area of Texas. Where are you?

[@Baytowntx83]

@@haloguru2552 I'm in the houston area, where can I find the full timing chain kit and how much is it

[@haloguru2552]

joe torres there's not a full kit. The dealer is the only one that has the parts to my knowledge. I don't know how much it is.

[@wayned3137]

do you guys remove the front diff?

[@haloguru2552]

If it is 4x4 yes, we remove the front diff. I've heard tale of some guys getting the oil pan out with keeping the diff in, but its more hassle than it's worth. I've got it down to a science, takes me about 15 minutes to pull the axles and remove the diff. I don't even use the trans jack to lower the diff. Man handle it out and onto the ground.

[@jaymunoz6259]

Do you pull the steering rack ?

[@gidderman]

I have got a 2012 Titan which is new to me, and it has quite a startup rattle, it mostly shuts up after about 2-3 seconds. Have you experienced any chain issues with the VK56DE in the Titans? Have you ever just changed the tensioners or is it always a chain job? Thanks for your time!

[@haloguru2552]

I have never done a Titan so I can't speak to that. The QX56 whines when they are stretched and occasionally will rattle. You never do just the tensioners. It's the same amount of work and the chains always stretch.

[@gidderman]

@@haloguru2552 thanks for the info!

[@victorcuevassc831]

is there a way to tell if this issue has been fixed? in looking into getting one of this a 2011 or 2012. or would you recommend me. getting a 2013

[@haloguru2552]

Call an Infiniti dealer. Have them put your vin in to service comm to check for recall history, it will say whether or not the recall has been done. It's free of charge to the customer. 2011-2013 are all pretty much the same, some minor differences. 2013 has a few minor updates, nothing major.

[@victorcuevassc831]

ok so there is a real on this issue right ? thanks.

[@haloguru2552]

Yes it is a real issue.

[@victorcuevassc831]

Galen Pritchard. sorry I meant to out a recall not a real issue

[@haloguru2552]

Oh. Well yes, there is a recall.

[@ryanreynolds-garibay9146]

Awesome video ! I like your angles I move around to much lol how fast are you getting these done ? Did you see it's a recall now 😡

[@haloguru2552]

+FLYIN RYAN REYNOLDS Thanks man! I really enjoyed your video too, it was very well done. Two different styles of editing, two different work methods :) Yeah, I did see that. We're fucking slammed with chain jobs lol. One comes out of my stall, another comes in and I start tearing it down while the other one is recharging the A/C and bleeding the cooling system. Rinse repeat. The one I finished today I had 7.7 hours clocked on. That's test driven and parked in the car wash. Today's finished job was number 24 that I've done. My goal is to have it down to 6 hours, but that might be a little optimistic haha. How fast are you getting them done?

[@ryanreynolds-garibay9146]

+Galen Pritchard 7.7 man that's flying ! I must be missing something here I have to try pulling the front clip ? I think my quickest was a little under the 10. Is there anything in my video you seen that is unnecessary? I wanna be fast like you lol

[@haloguru2552]

+FLYIN RYAN REYNOLDS Also, what kind of engine sealant do you use? I've never seen any kind of engine sealant like that in (what I assume is) an aerosol can. I want to see if I can get my parts department to order some. That three bond silicone is good stuff but it's a bitch to squeeze out of the tube.

[@haloguru2552]

+FLYIN RYAN REYNOLDS honestly, you just have to do a shit ton of them. My times were at 13 hours for a while, then got them down to 10, then down around 7.5 - 8. Looks like you did it exactly how the other guy in my shop does them and he's around 7.5 hours. You can try pulling the front clip, I like doing it that way better. More than that I think it's just about finding a method that works for you and just hammering down on them to get faster and faster.

[@ryanreynolds-garibay9146]

+Galen Pritchard thanks I really appreciate it . I'm gonna try that next one I get. As for the sealant the company is wurth its aluminum rtv.

[@crayman31]

Hey mate, I have a vk45 that either needs chains or the exhaust cam (the bank with the sensor hole above the ac pump) looks to be advanced a tooth or so which is odd, considering if the chains are worn normally you get retarded timing. I wonder if some turkey turned the engine back and skipped that cam or if it's skipped on its own, either way I guess the right way is to do everything

[@haloguru2552]

I've seen them jump advanced on the VQ engines. VK45 is a bit different from the VK56 though. Which vehicle do you have? If you're going in that far to do anything, I wouldn't skip doing the chains. Unless you a broken camshaft, I don't see how the cam would be bad.

[@crayman31]

@@haloguru2552 Cheers for replying, sorry for the novel - it's a 2009 F50 Cima with 175,000km. I dug deep into it lacking power on hills, knocking and found the spark timing to be pegged advanced at 30 with a timing light and idling high even though it completes the relearn just fine. If you reset the ecu, initially the IVIS sensors read 4/4.5 degrees retarded until you rev it and they zero out. With the crank at tdc I can barely see one of the three notches on the exhaust cam pickup through the hole in the timing cover and it has an ever so slight miss just off idle on that bank. I had a vq30 maxima before this one and the spark timing was 8 degrees with a really worn chain and still ran pretty good. I based my idea that the vk45 sets base timing primarily off that sensor and maybe its jumped

[@carghai9235]

Will you have to do this again soon?

[@haloguru2552]

In what capacity do you mean will I have to do it again soon?

[@carghai9235]

@@haloguru2552 in like 245k miles

[@haloguru2552]

@@carghai9235 If oil changes are kept up with, it shouldn't be an issue again. If oil changes are neglected, the new chain design could stretch again.

[@carghai9235]

@@haloguru2552 thanks for the info

[@thnkbg]

Recall? just those years? what about the altima?

[@haloguru2552]

I don't know anything about the Altima, I don't really work on Nissan models.

[@thnkbg]

Same family..Nissan.. same engines..

[@haloguru2552]

The VK56DE engine in the QX56 is not the same as the QR25DE or VQ35DE engines (depending on the options) in the Altima. I do not work on Nissans and am not familiar with Altimas specifically.

[@S13KON]

Any insight on what exactly causes the failure? I know it mentions replacing the "oil Jet" with a revised part. But what exactly happens to the old oil jet. Does it become restricted over time or does it simply not supply enough lubrication causing the chains to wear out prematurely over time. I have a 2012 QX80 (QX56) whining like crazy with serpentine belt off. Thank you for the info.

[@haloguru2552]

The actual failure is the chains themselves. They're were too thin and weak to handle the added stress of the high pressure fuel pump when they redesigned the engine from the old iteration. So the chain stretches due to weakness of design and then rubs on the oil jet causing the whine noise. The new chains are stronger and I believe the oil jet is the same. The primary failure is the chains, not the oil jet.

[@haloguru2552]

Also, sounds like your QX56 needs timing chains.

[@S13KON]

@@haloguru2552 Thanks for your reply, and keep up the great repair videos.

[@lcmcgowan9342]

@@haloguru2552 So how can we reach you Galen? Or you can email me [e-mail]. I may need to come your way.

[@Southernrefinish88]

this is a 7k job.

[@haloguru2552]

Yep

[@y0uares0funny]

also is there a difference between the 5.6 engine timing chain replacment on the qx56, armada and titans?

[@haloguru2552]

The special jig they're probably talking about are the tools to replace the oil jet and the crankshaft holding tool to remove the harmonic balancer. It depends what year you are talking about. The QX56 2003-2010 has the same engine as the nissan aramada and titan 2003-2015. The QX56 got the direct injected engine in 2011, the armada and titan got the direct injected engine in 2016. The timing chain replacement will be the same for qx56, titan, and armada, with the same engine. Timing chain replacement will not be the same if they do not have the same engine. The recall affects only 2011-2013(and half) QX56s. Mid 2013, the issue was corrected at the factory.

[@y0uares0funny]

Galen Pritchard, we have 2011 qx56, so I guess they wouldn't have it. I would love to drive to Texas, but that is a hell of a haul.

[@haloguru2552]

y0uares0funny haha, I don't blame you. And yes, I doubt a Nissan dealer would have the special tools..

[@davidpagan5179]

Nice do you know were is the number 2 coil on a 2013 infiniti qx56

[@haloguru2552]

David Pagan, on the passenger side, first cylinder closest to the radiator.

[@martywaltman2861]

First one on passenger side

[@jamesjones4776]

That is ridiculous to have to do all that for a timing chain

[@jmb128]

My qx56 2013 had the recall done last year and all of a sudden on a long drive last week it started to rattle when I took my foot off the gas...then wouldn't go over 3000rpm after 2hrs more hours with nothing except the rattle and no check engine lights I lost power and was lucky to get to an off ramp and exit the highway. It lit up like a Christmas tree when I came to stop, and stalled. Tried to turn it back on and it sounded like a tractor and there was a knock!! I had my scan tool with me, and it threw codes 1093, 0340 0345, 0011, and 0021 would this be related to the timing chain repair done last year??? I always change my oil with high quality synthetic. My dealer is saying of course that this has nothing to do with the work they performed on the vehicle.

[@haloguru2552]

I would find it highly unlikely to be related to the chain recall. I've done over 150 of these chain recalls and that seems to me to be completely unrelated. The P1093 code is for the VVEL actuator motor bank 2. Just based on my knowledge of Nissan/Infiniti and not having seen your vehicle at all, I would guess that to be the root cause and the P0340,0345, 0011, 0021 to be secondary codes set due to a VVEL motor malfunction. The VVEL system controls the variable intake valve lift and duration. I would say that code needs to be looked into first. We don't see a lot of VVEL issues on any of our cars, but unfortunately when we do, it's not a simple or cheap repair.

[@haloguru2552]

One more thing to mention. The VVEL system is not touched whatsoever during the chain replacement. Not even the electrical connectors are disconnected. So I would find it highly unlikely to be related to that, especially considering the vehicle ran fine for a year after the repair.

[@blaing3354]

that $400 jet tool lol Cant find it anywhere......

[@haloguru2552]

Yeah it sucks. Sometimes you can get them out with pliers. Be careful though. Tap the new one in with a punch.

[@blaing3354]

@@haloguru2552 on the original chain there is only one orange link per chain, where do you place them before taking off the chain? Looks like you spun the cam after the chain was off? Worried it was an interference motor New chains have marks for each cam and the fuel, so not sure if Im overthinking it or if I need to keep spinning it until the orange links line up on the crank

[@haloguru2552]

@@blaing3354 you'll never get the links to line up spinning it over. Spin it until the punched timing marks on the cam sprockets are pointing up on the intake cams and the exhaust cam marks are pointing about 1-2 o'clock on the driver side and about 10-11 o'clock on the passenger side (should be mirror images of each other pointed on both banks), and keyway on the crankshaft is at about 1-2 o'clock. That's roughly top dead center, close enough. Then replace the chains/guides, and line up the marks on the new chains with the marks on the sprockets. The exhaust cams might move when you pull the chains off. Not a big deal, just move them back when lining up the marks, kinda gotta dick with it a little bit.

[@haloguru2552]

@@blaing3354 also, the vk56 is a non-interference engine. Surprisingly.

[@STAN-SPB]

how much time usually takes this job from beginning to the end?

[@haloguru2552]

Alexey Stanovoy At the peak of the recall when I was rocking and rolling, my record was 5 hours hustling. On an average day, I'd have them done in 6 hours with no BS. 7 hours with a little BS time. I did one recently, about 2 years after the recall was over. Think it took me 8 hours with no BS but I also wasn't hustling. Book time is 12 hours.

[@Baytowntx83]

Where can I buy the timing chain kit for my 2012 qx56?

[@trellelisyniya]

Do you have to remove the oil pan?

[@haloguru2552]

Yes. 100% impossible to get the chains off without pulling the pan. You can reseal the timing cover without pulling the pan but for removing the chains it must come off. The oil pump hits the pan when removing it. I've tried everything. Even disassembling the pump. Still can't get it out without pulling the pan.

[@haloguru2552]

@@trellelisyniya No problem. Also, if it's 4x4, pull the differential.

[@trellelisyniya]

Yes it's 4x4, u sure I can't get by without pulling it. I'm at home doing this on the ground. I'm a diesel mechanic and can do it but dangg, all this extra..

[@haloguru2552]

@@trellelisyniya yeah. You gotta pull it. Or at least take it loose and drop it down. I never tried just taking it loose. I always just pulled the diff. Didn't want to fuck with messing up the silicone on reinstallation. Steering rack has to come down too. It's a 17 hour job for a reason. Haha. It's a fuckin beating to do on the ground for sure.

[@trellelisyniya]

Last question, what's the quickest way to remove axles?

[@elxso18]

Is the recall is still on?

[@haloguru2552]

elxso18 No. It was a time-limited service campaign and is no longer covered under warranty. It can still be done, but it must be paid for out of the customer's pocket.

[@elxso18]

Galen Pritchard dang, my friend is SOL then. I am going to have to do it for her, thanks for the video, gave me a good idea of how to approach the job.

[@haloguru2552]

elxso18 No problem, good luck. Need any tips, hit me up. I've done about 150 of them. There is a special tool for holding the flywheel to break the crankshaft bolt loose, and a special tool to remove and install the oil jet. Are the chains whining yet?

[@elxso18]

Galen Pritchard not whining, just a lot of clanking, do you have the tool numbers? Appreciate the help

[@haloguru2552]

elxso18 clanking? That's odd. If you could take a video and link it to me, I could tell you maybe what it is.

[@haloguru2552]

Check out my timelapse of a chain job on an M56: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2WXhXikac6ikNE&t=

[@isaacgaytan7540]

Test husaron para distraer os

[@jnarvaez89]

You did way too much, no intake removal required,we get those done in 6hrs

[@haloguru2552]

jnarvaez89 I know how to do them without removing intake, but I wouldn't call removing the intake "way too much", it takes literally 5 minutes, if that. I get them done in 6 hours as well with intake removal.

[@muchmore15]

How much does the repair cost?

[@phillippugh2161]

Wait what so you can do that in 6 hours .... Why the hell are dealers charging folks 5k to change the timing chain then . Your talking less then 1200 for labor