Timing Issues?

[@vidmohit4684]

Such an important lesson. As a bedroom guitarist I got a shocking revelation how timing trumps technicality when I started using s1 to write songs. Having a simple drum beat and/or metronome really helps getting those quality takes.

[@CaptainFrugalReviews]

To be honest I like when a riff is not always perfect, prefect can be robotic at times and make the song stale. I like some old recordings that left in a small mistake or two.

[@thejasontlewis]

What's even better is when you get to the place where you don't have to think that hard about this. And playing to loops is a whole different think than playing with people. There's such a premium out on locking to the grid with this stuff and it's one of the reasons music has lost it's magic. I can't imagine playing a funky line like that and worrying so much about the quarter notes. You want to be on time, yeah, but you don't want to be a machine.

[@markobruiser9358]

Ive always had trouble playing to a metronome... I make a super simple drum track and record to that... Then go over that when I record the real drum tracks.

[@fidalgosoundlabs4388]

It's called "Burying the Click" My old guitar teacher hammered that into me and I feel so happy when the click just disappears beneath the guitar.

[@scottakam]

I found that tapping my finger or foot and counting the song as I'm listening to music in the car helped my timing quite a bit. Still a long way to go. And it drives my wife crazy!

[@sarunasneimontas894]

For me it is a very good timing for video about timing issues. Thanks Joe!

[@PaulLeHat]

Spot on. After years of recording going for a single take always seems to work better. Helps concentration and if it results in many takes, it also doubled as practice. :)

[@Whollyworshipministries]

Joe …. Thanks so much for sharing your experience and wisdom. You are helping people (including me). You have influenced me and helped me to make better recordings and express myself so much more than before I found your videos. I also like that you cut through the stuff that doesn’t matter, and so many tips to avoid wasting so much time with nonsense that isn’t that important. Keep up the good work Joe. God bless you brother!!

[@purplehaze1274]

A lot of my issues with timing are mental. I noticed the more I'm focused on getting the correct timing I get worse whereas when I am not focused on it I naturally have better time. This is especially noticeable when I am recording music. As soon as I hit record and the countdown begins suddenly I am thinking about being in time and always play it worse than I was moments ago before recording began.

[@perrythomasmusic3709]

Joe, I agree, especially about the number of takes. I usually start over or just punch something in, if possible. Look, Timing has always been an issue with me for decades. I just naturally come in a little early, whether it be lead guitar or when I am singing a vocal. I either practice my songs with a drum machine, or a loop, or a real drummer. It's something that some of us have to really work on. The timing issues you were concerned about aren't really an issue. I think it's good to not be perfect, especially with riffs. Of course, you are just giving a demo, I get that. Anyway, ANYTHING you can do to show us how to FIX timing issues, I would appreciate. I never have much luck quantizing, to be honest.

[@nexusnostalgia]

Thank you Joe! This helped tremendously dude.

[@rajivmodha3693]

Ten Four; message received and understood about 2 4!

[@alright392]

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[@Memper]

what?

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

Lmao

[@dreambeliever3652]

Yep... I never keep a backup take. BYE BYE, everytime. Sounds great joe. Always

[@thejasontlewis]

Joe, you gotta use Logic and swipe a take all together. its almost an art form!

[@adimatis]

Loved the casual presentation! :) And yes, good one!

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

The are milliseconds of a groove push and pull, that make a feel.

[@kevgresham8407]

Hi Joe .. When Tracking Guitars for clients i spend around 30 mins creating a click track using a shaker .sometimes its 4 bars sometimes as much as 16 bars . The point is to create a perc sound and allow the musician to relax into the session . Usually its hard velocity on the down beat softer on the others but by changing the others either in swing sometimes pan it feels more natural

[@samchoate1719]

This is great advice. I’ve done this or made a simple drum pattern and it is almost always better than using a click track for certain clients.

[@willrobinson7578]

It's funny how we get it right live with one chance but flub it over and over again in the studio because we know we can retake it- great point 👍🏼

[@skyemusic8636]

Is that a Tele Deluxe in the background? Nice! Good advice... thanks

[@tommartin7833]

Your technique of just re-recording is where I’m at too….it’s better for so many reasons. It is a. PITA though.

[@TC_Conner]

I delete and do over all the time Joe! I think we're too self critical to "let it be" and we just want to "get back" to it and make a better take! And yes, I come in a tad early most of the time. (I struggle with using the metronome!) (I think I overheard you say "make it perfect," really?)

[@pixel_seph]

I typically loop-record sections when doing guitar takes by myself (maybe 4 or 5 playthroughs of the part, usually 4-bars worth of record), even if I only want 1 take and will toss the rest. Sometimes I'll end up with several "good enough" takes for that part, and if it repeats later in the piece, I can throw one of the extras over there. Otherwise, yes, it's usually a waste of energy to scum through all those takes for a good one. I feel different about doing those sort of takes if I'm not the one running the control station, though. If all I have to worry about is performing a quality take for the engineer, I'll stop when they say that's the one.

[@theguy700]

9:25 Can you do a song with only your voice as imitating multiple instruments? Would love to hear that! You are so good at that.

[@heythere6983]

I write my guitar bouncy beats, diving in and off of the main beat all the time and changing tempos , so click tracks are really distracting at times and can totally throw off the beat, even if I’m not messing up but they click lines up weird . I once kept messing up on an acoustic intro that was something like a minute and a half long because of the click. I finally got the guy to take it off and start it right when the rest of the song would pick up. I kept playing it so he saw I would consistently be on the next part at a certain time. I played it once through with no click and it perfectly synced up and lead into the rest of the song . He then however beat his keyboard later on since my song changed tempo and he had no idea how to make it work with his beloved click . He told me to measure out my entire songs tempo and chart it essentially . At that time I wasn’t gonna make a big deal and argue like I may have years later but he really made me feel super uncomfortable. It was only a guitar and vocal song . He NEEDED his click his way. I told him my timing was good and if anything I could keep track with my foot (though I often never do that) but he said I’d simply think I was in time but be changing my timin with my tapping foot too . I get what he was saying since that can happen but he really was a major pain and was unwilling to try anything other than his way. He didn’t understand the concept that a song could change tempo at a certain point on purpose and wanted me to flatten out the song with a steady tempo atfirst . He made a simple acoustic and vocal song a massive problem and was beating up his gear because of it . Thankfully I hadn’t paid him anything yet and I never ended up going back to him and paying him for anything either way .

[@chikofalcon1886]

Nice lesson sir. How to make double track guitar with distortion?

[@woodenbeast9337]

brillant content

[@boogie2266]

Sometimes the problem when you are trying hard to get it right is that you loose excitement with every take and in the end it can sound too clinical

[@armanrozika]

exactly, it aint fun no more, might just get rid metronome altogether

[@FluidITGuy]

I need a note taking app like yours for windows. Oy!

[@cliveburgess4128]

Not sure if this is any help to anyone, but like you say about getting the important beats dead on, if you are using elastic audio or something similar , instead of quantizing, I have gotten into a habit of timing the downbeat right on and then undoing everything in between, so you have tightness but feel still left in it, just a thought!

[@brettmarlar4154]

I can't sift through different takes and editing them together either. If I can't get it right here, how am I gonna get it right live? Now I will punch things in if it's a small tweak. Guitarists are notorious for being ahead of the beat. Bassists and horn players tend to be behind the beat. Sometimes those timing fluctuations are what cause things to groove and breathe.

[@brandonbuxton8960]

Will we every get live looping

[@vigilant545]

Timing/rhythm has a sound. If it grooves in the pocket, it sounds automatically Pro. I'm still struggling too but I understood it is a sound aspect you cannot go without.

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

It's a movement, a breathing if you will.

[@jameslabs1]

Without chopping, doesn’t Melodyne or elastic tools solve shuttle timing problems?

[@22jmike]

Partially, if you are trying to be a better editor, then yes, it solves. But if you desire to be a better musician, then re-record is the better way to go. As for me, even then, there is always too much room for editing.

[@davidhiser2266]

I use loop recording...keep looping until I get it right

[@kalehorvath]

Why do I want to go to Home Depot now? 😆

[@JohnStraussmusic]

My rule of thumb is if a certain track has more then 3 major mistake its a stop and delete and start over. :)

[@MSGadded]

I unfortunately do the same … sometime my takes # exceeds 100. Let’s talk about something more happy like that funky Strat necked tele with a humbucker behind your left shoulder.

[@HomeStudioCorner]

Chris shiflett signature tele deluxe!

[@MSGadded]

SWEEEET! I know we all battle G.A.S. But I can already tell that the new gear is sparking your creative juices. I’ve been jonesing for some new Gilder music. I can’t Wait to hear what you’ve been working on!

[@nedim_guitar]

I have a friend that's a better guitarist than I am, plays faster (which doesn't necessarily mean that he's better, but he also knows much more songs and has been gigging quite a bit), and when we were recording in my home studio recently, he was just all over the place with his timing. I'm more used to the click and the beat, so I have no problems (usually), but he really had to work hard to stay in the pocket. It was then that I thought to myself "hey, maybe I DON'T suck" 😄

[@thesolitarytroubadour9894]

Slower tempos always cause more timing problems for me!

[@BradsGonnaPlay]

The biggest issue with the re-record technique is a little snafu I like to call “the musician” Because they’ll almost always attribute THEIR poor performances to YOUR skill. Re-recording anything always presents a chance to make your credibility take a hit even when (especially when?) it’s not your fault.

[@josephjackson1887]

Fook all that. Ableton live warp audio marks.

[@shaneabbott3877]

S1 has warping as well.

[@morbidmanmusic]

Don't cut and comp, learn to play. Correct yourselves.

[@houseofdyer]

How to fix mix timing… git gud. :)