Can the 6.8 Really Outperform the Legendary 5.56?

[@TimkennedyMMA]

Alright, who’s got a favorite? 6.8 or 5.56? Let me know in the comments which one you’d take.

[@Last_Chance.]

6.8. I love the ballistics of it

[@davidsensei2128]

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[@apolitis1]

5.56....losing half the ammo capacity with the 6.8 won't go well in a conflict... also it visibly has more recoil=less probability of a hit...sorry not buying the hype you should def check out 6mm MAX and do a review of it please...it looks very promising

[@joelivan6022]

Citizen here. I’d take the new 6.8. But I’d also like to see testing on ballistic dummies. Awesome job. Big ups to see Tim and Kagan.

[@Therealmathilda]

More fun stuff with Tim. If you put the rounds where they are supposed to go you don't need tons of extra ammo. Thanks, Tim.

[@kagan.dunlap]

Thanks for inviting us out to check out these freakin awesome platforms Tim!

[@PeterRSCFF]

M855A1 was the answer but here we go …. Less ammo, heavier system, more recoil and don’t forget all that cheddar our overlords are going to make.

[@wakeupamerica2024]

It's all about the contractor's bottom line. Same reason why they spent millions developing new multi-cam i mean OCP uniforms. They were already producing them for combat but we needed millions to develop a new uniform that ended up looking identical minus the flame retardant.

[@ostiariusalpha]

M855A1 was an answer to the problems introduced by the M4 carbine, and a _very_ good answer at that. M855A1 does not seem to be the answer to issues that are going to be evolving in 2030 though, and even 6.8×51mm might not really be the answer. At any rate, 6.8mm will be a suitable replacement for 7.62mm.

[@Redwood414]

People don't think you can buy m855a1 but you can at $3 a round. Worth it for hunting or staying free

[@ramonburgos6351]

A 308 shell with a 270 bullet. The mullet of combat cartridges.

[@PwntifexMaximus]

It's a 2-PART 308 case that's mroe expensive and doesn't decrease weight over brass at all!

[@Milkywayboy]

@@PwntifexMaximusit 100% decreases weight

[@theprfesssor]

​@@PwntifexMaximus It's already been confirmed 6.8 is lighter then 308 and has less recoil It also gets better standard performance out of SBR system.... something no other cartridge does

[@danieltalamantes2296]

Kinda of like a 25-06 short

[@johnmorganjr769]

That .277" epiphany didn't happen overnight, it just needed 'traction'. 🎖

[@bradbutcher3984]

Shall Not Be Infringed, Timmy.

[@javajunky215]

I wish you balanced out this with some cost per round context. The standard 6.8mm (retail) round about $1.74, not even talking about the better rounds the DoD will likely buy. While I think the performance is great, the cost per round is ridiculous compared to the 5.56 which retail I can pick up at $0.46 a round and probably in the $0.2X per round range at the DoD bulk buy prices. Love 6.8 performance but from a tax payer perspective how do you train when the cost of ammo is at a 6x - 7x increase and 16x greater or more those AP rounds. Not talking about the deep pockets of SOCOM, for the regular folks what standards/proficiency requirements are going to be reduced to achieve "qualification" based on the 6.8 paradigm. This makes me nervous.

[@Genessis001]

Forrsure. They do have plenty of factories in the US, international subcontractors, not to mention building a HUGE purpose built factory in US and with this round in mind it'll be for US and NATO allies ONLY. That said if it's actually adopted, the cost will go down drastically for what was the discovered AP cost ( @ $12-15+/per round if true) and whatever the normal rounds are....which is normal and true always but regardless tax payers are gonna eat a huge 💵 I get the benefits and it's a huge upgrade. But for everyone??? They said full-rollout if forrsure is what 2030-2034 or something? Eeek

[@recklesstactics4718]

The gov was paying 13 dollars a round for 308 in 2019....

[@friartuck103]

You watch, they'll train with .308, but shoot this in the field...

[@seanfinnerty9382]

As it is adopted, more companies will manufacture it and the price will drop as the supply increases.

[@recklesstactics4718]

@@seanfinnerty9382 Its crazy how its already cheaper than 6.5 creed more cost when it came out and people are still dogging on it.

[@Downunder7]

A question for those KZbin channels who’re testing all variations of bullets by shooting them into ballistics gel blocks, Why are you only shooting at a short distance of what appears to be around (30-50m) or 32-54yds? I do understand that a shooting can happen at any distance Why not shoot at a range of about (150-200m) 164-218yds Which I’m presuming would be the middle point for engaging the ’bad guy’ and I’m throwing out that suggested range because when the military or the civilian gun owner wants to zero their weapon (not including hand guns) they do so at the distance of (100m or 109yds) (92m or 100yds), wouldn’t shooting at those distances be more realistic? I would just like to see what is happening to these different sized bullet rounds at that average 100m or 100yd zeroing point. Cheers 👍🏼

[@TROOPERfarcry]

It's the circle-of-life. "This barrel is too long." *shortens barrel* "This ammo is (now) too weak" *increased cartridge size* "This barrel is (now) too long." *shortens barrel* "This ammo is (now) too weak" It's like we forgot every single reason that we moved away from the M14. It's too heavy, and can't carry enough ammunition. The powers-that-be should've put a few inches back on _SOME_ of the M4 barrels... or maybe all of them. The point is that they are unwilling to accept a basic reality: there's not a substitute for velocity, and there's not a substitute for barrel-length for achieving velocity. Or to put it another way, they haven't figured out that the niche of PDW weapons and DMR weapons *cannot* be combined. They keep thinking that if they tweak it just right, they'll turn a pistol into a sniper-rifle.

[@PwntifexMaximus]

I mean, they COULD if they where willing to develop a bullpup that doesn't suck or exotic ammo-configurations (simmilar to Textron's bid) that can feed 3 inches backwards into the chamber instead of forward. 6 extra inches are plenty, at least according to my GF. But nOooo. That would require actual innovation and creativity.

[@Sissivanska]

As a former FDF Sissi 2LT, I am not impressed with this Sig induced mania. Not at all. I don't need an over penetrating round to get the job done. I prefer 7.62x39 for arctic evergreens (e.g. defeat the TOUGH undergrowth and branches w/o deflection), 5.56NATO for clear LOS shots (e.g. urban areas), and 7.62NATO for everything outside of my primary tools' (7.62x39/5.56NATO) capabilities. For light skinned vehicles? .338LM and maybe for the 1 in a million chance that the target is so far I can't touch it with 7.62NATO round. I see this as a waste of US military budget, to be honest. I am a huge fan of Tim, but this new cartridge is less than impressive to me. However, keep the content coming!

[@yippikiyay197]

What do they say is the benefit of this? I thought they were going to 6.5 Creed for the sniper rifles, so why not just use that?

[@theprfesssor]

Where do you see the "SIG induced mania" The vast majority of what I've seen on the dozens of videos on this weapon system has been negative, complaining about this new cartridge seems to be the majority opinion hell just look at these comments

[@sgtliles30]

😂😂 unfortunately, officers don't leave your office to practice enough.

[@Sissivanska]

@@yippikiyay197 There is only 1.5 benefits that I can tell, and those are better range and possibly better body armor penetration. I just don't see the value proposition here; you want more range and penetration, equip DMs with something spicy, like .338LM like we do in FDF. I rather have my "tuliannos" (i.e. number of rounds per soldier) not to be depleted + getting heavier for just longer shots and body armor penetration.

[@Sissivanska]

@@sgtliles30 FDF system is totally different. There are no shortcuts to being an officer. You have to earn every rank one by one here, and college degrees mean northing here either except for the medical corps. Lastly, Sissi LT is a team leader where all the team members are NCOs.

[@Four9sFineJewelry]

Seeing Tim give clear ballistics gel the Hawk Tuah treatment wasn’t on my 2024 Bingo card.

[@peanutjellyman]

I thought we was gonna see different jells for each round, or a least 2 round per. Got a little muddy in there to clear results

[@domanikbutler2060]

i thought we was gonna see some booms booms and switches mayn cuhz

[@Acutus3399]

DAMN!!!! that alpha1 round dumped ALL it's energy on target!

[@ostiariusalpha]

@@Acutus3399 Same bullet design that the standard ball round for 6.8×51mm will be using, the M1186 GP. The 6.8mm bullet they used in the video was basically just an OTM, much smaller wound channel than what the steel tip will produce.

[@Abhi-lq7qm]

I think it's probably being used to Replace 7.62×51 because that only makes sense and 556 going to complement it

[@richardc553]

Hybrid casings are interesting... Just my opinion, but I think the Army would be better off with something like the 6 MAX - a little more power, but recoil is still very manageable and the rifle platform doesn't have to change much. The 6.8x51 definitely performs down range, but it probably costs way more to manufacture the casings and the recoil seems to be a little high for quick follow-up shots.

[@erickvelez4691]

I respect your opinion but for me the best option both in caliber and rifle would be the licc iws 264 = 6.5x43

[@paintzemute6364]

A 6max with nato pressures could send a 65/68gr projectile 3000/3100fps with a 10.5 barrel. Only problem with 6max is they're still developing 30rd straight mags. Edit: 10.5 6max 105grs travel 2320fps with standard pressures ie 55k psi. Wonder how fast they'd go at 62k psi.

[@paintzemute6364]

@@erickvelez4691 that would need a rifle between ar-15 - ar-10 size and the mags appear to max out at 25rnds. 108gr projectiles traveling 2650fps from a 11.5 is pretty tempting Though. 😆

[@theprfesssor]

The military will never adopt a non-SAAMI cartridge I believe a rule of the NGSW program was to get SAAMI certification Also 6max has nowhere near the performance of 6.8 in SBR

[@TheAverageMountainMan]

6MAX out of the Spear LT and the 6.8x51mm out of the XM7.

[@bennunyour4121]

Great round but is it worth the extra weight that soldiers have to carry? Therefore most soldiers will carry less ammo?

[@jacksman7]

Standard combat load of 5.56 is 210 rounds. Standard load of 6.8 will be 140. Way less ammo weighing much more. Not a fan of the rifle and ammo for the Standard infantry rifle.

[@tman3831]

I agree with the weight complaints. At the same time people need to consider the new optic that will be accompanying this new round and making longer range shots more consistent. I'm sure there will still be plenty of suppressing fire but the ability to be more accurate and efficient at longer range gives our guys stand off. My eldest boy just enlisted. So hopefully I'm not too far off on what I'm thinking

[@PwntifexMaximus]

@@tman3831 My man, the average joe in a firefight is not limited by optics. Hell, they're not even limited by irons. They're limited by the gorss muscle-memory of 3 weeks basic weapons-training and the adrenal shiver of their subconscious yelling at them not to die.

[@PwntifexMaximus]

If only they had designed a two-part case, that way they could have used polymers instead of brass to reduce weight and kept the strength... Oh... Wait...

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

There was early footage of Ukraine Soldiers saying to not engage with the russians because they are out of range. These were dudes carrying ARs and Brens getting shot by 7.62x54r.

[@com3dian903]

Keep up the good work Tim

[@shmuckling]

Whenever I see a "caliber war" I wonder how many people are there that don't just know that there are very few components that are the variables in a cartridge design. In other words, there is only a "best" for a specific means, otherwise everything is just a compromise, and there's nothing wrong with accepting that, as it's just basic common sense. So just pick a cartridge that you think is good for your needs and I assure you, it's at least as good as any other that you might have picked. From my fairly limited experience in firearms - commonality is a big factor, as it commands both price and availability, including the price and availability of options, such as bullet weights and designs. When is comes to commonality, it's hard to beat the 5.56 - you can also use .223, and you'll have a hard time finding a store that doesn't offer ammo with anywhere from 45 gr to 70+gr bullets, and even if they don't have a huge selection, most places will at least have something you can use in your 5.56 gun. For a civilian that's hard to beat.

[@pjbiggleswerth8903]

Ive always heard that round ct down range is what wins fights. Not necessarily how accurate or how fast or how heavy your given round is. Will this change all that? Or stick w 70g tsx?

[@ryanboley2711]

This kicks ass

[@CJ5EVOLUTION]

Don't know why they just not adopted the 7.62 Nato and be done, same recoil al the 6.8, similar engagement range.

[@yippikiyay197]

That's what I'm wondering

[@allen9108]

So our enemies can’t use our small arms ammo. It add to war of attrition strategy. I’m sure there’s other reasons

[@theprfesssor]

6.8 recoil is lighter according to reports and other video's

[@PwntifexMaximus]

@@theprfesssor That's because the rifle is heavier. Look at the total impulse of the ejecta. It's within 10%.

[@mattcallahan2702]

Still can't beat that OG 7.62x51 is just a badass

[@recklesstactics4718]

What's funny is he is shooting ball ammo 6.8... not even the good stuff.

[@yippikiyay197]

Why not just use the 7.62 then?

[@theprfesssor]

​@@yippikiyay197 The military wanted a SBR weapon system......7.62 does not work well out of SBR systems

[@IAM-o7o]

​@@theprfesssorbut it could tho if they just apllied the hybrid tech and use lighter rounds.

[@tklube308]

That old man 308 sure made the jell dance😊. I'm not to keen on the amt of penetration the 6.8 had before fragging.

[@HeyLookItsSmith]

MK262 from Black Hills would have been nice to see in the mix as well.

[@Patriot4Legacy]

Love your Work!

[@yeldesi9449]

would enjoy seeing, in color, the kinetic energy waves rippling out of the ballistic gel block

[@John_439]

That 6.8 took way to long to expand. It was almost through a whole block before any large permanent expansion happened

[@dustinsmith2795]

Plus, unless they're professional body builders, I don't know anyone who's torso is as wide as that block.

[@Janno32_]

The purpose of the new ammunition is to penetrate Level 4 body armor, so this is intended. Also, they fired the civilian version.

[@John_439]

@Janno32_ yah except it doesn't beat armor. It'll beat level 3 but so will basically anything. It will not reliably beat level 4. It is a massive waste of time and money.

[@Janno32_]

@John_439 where did you see that? Nobody except the military has the armor penetration version.

[@John_439]

@Janno32_ well first there is plenty of bimetal full pressure ammo out there so we know what the velocity numbers are at each projectile weight. Past that it's basic physics. Even with a steel core (black tip) projectile there is no way it will beat lvl 4. 30-06 has significantly more energy (a heaver projectile at the same velocity) and lvl 4 will stop black tip 30-06.

[@cameronsnyder1246]

I forget how unhinged Tim looks if you pause videos at thr right moments.🤣

[@dolan8891]

I’ve read a bunch of the comments and most don’t take into account all the variables that effect ballistics. The 5.56 was designed to be shot from a 20” barrel at @3100-3300 FPS which is super effective. When you chop 10” you lose a ton, hence mk262 mod 2. All the people talking about recoil must not have much time shooting suppressed. One thing I am not is a Sig fan boy but looking at the round from a ballistic perspective and the ability to run it in an AR10 platform has really got my attention.

[@allen9108]

Why ar10? Explain

[@theprfesssor]

Nobody gets it apparently 5.56 has run it's course, SBR kills it's performance and the military has been trying to compensate with exceeding SAAMI pressure for the cartridge and it still has lethality issues, it can't develop any further so they are moving on The new round gives standard performance out of SBR systems, something no other can really do

[@dolan8891]

@@allen9108 the case is 308 size and will run in the AR10 platform and magazines. If the new cartridge lives up to the initial numbers it will be equivalent to 270wsm in an auto loader!

[@allen9108]

@@dolan8891 ohhh I love this. I’ve been wanting to save and get a 6.8 creed and Grendel for an awhile

[@Stargazer80able]

Nice. Would you consider try black tips (5.56 and 7.62, maybe also 9mm)?

[@AaronBosley]

What about gel + plate? Is that even useful? Guessing the offset from the new round tells the tale in the gel.

[@alexanderslee]

@0:06 What mobile phone can capture 3,000 frames per second?

[@richardmason9097]

The 308 is a good cartridge. 7/08 is a good cartridge. So is this one. The choice is between the amount of ammo you can carry. The 5.56 and a bullet with a high sectional density goes as well as a 308 down range. Obviously the 5.56 has less power, but penetration is good with a steel penetrator.

[@reno3249]

Love the video. But the steel piece in the m855 is only in the very tip of the slug, not down the center.

[@aquablaster86]

That M855A1 definitely isn't cheap, but so far, i have been able to load up 5 gen3 Pmags with it for a rainy day. Awesome performance, in my opinion. That massive energy dump in the first 4-5 inches PLUS the copper slug AND steel penetrator carrying thru with great penetration. Just wish it wasn't $3 a pop!

[@justinriley8651]

it's hard on your rifle and not that much better than m855 . it says it is on paper but in real life not so much. there's test on youtube from different people it's not worth the money.

[@evanbullock57]

@@justinriley8651they only had issues with the first batches of M855A1, everything in circulation now is just fine and doesn’t add more wear to the rifle. It doesn’t erode the feed ramps with Pmags either. We’ve shot thousands through our M4’s and haven’t had any issues at all

[@justinriley8651]

@evanbullock57 it's higher pressure ammo than 855 and for not that much more performance.

[@theprfesssor]

Decent performance yes, at the cost of beating on the gun with overpressure spec (over SAAMI for the cartridge) and still far less performance then new 6.8 from a SBR

[@handsdown1820]

Kmart version of garand thumb.... It's obviously going to do better in penetration. Major sacrifices, mag capacity, weight, recoil. There are reasons the military retired the M14.

[@AskRonReed]

@timkennedyMMA what does the military do with the older weapons and ammo that are replaced?

[@Mittenman313]

Sell them to the cartel and terriost. Remember, the military and government just gave the taliban over 80million in weapons, advance night vision and thermal, bombs, tanks, armored personnel carriers, high tech come, ect.

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

@@Mittenman313100%

[@stevegrifftx]

You mean 80+ Billion $

[@pmit802]

Tim talk to Eli his friends can capture this stuff in 100,000 fps

[@joedolan5625]

I did a test once, 1/4 inch ar400 steel .556 55gr and green tip 62gr and the 62 barely dented it and the 55 blew straight through, I was super confused

[@zack9912000]

55 grain M193 has a higher velocity than m855, and M193 is a devastating round if you can get 2500 fps or faster.

[@PwntifexMaximus]

Speed is the only meaningful difference between shooting bullets and throwing marbles at your target. With enough speed, the material strength of the target can be ignored when calculating penetration. At that point the only thing that matters is density; How much energy it takes to move material out of the way. This is why speed is king and mass is queen.

[@davidsensei2128]

TIM KENNEDY cette balles avec le SUPRESSOR DOIT ÊTRES TERRIFIANT 👀⚡👽

[@lorcan2316]

6mm MAX with the Hybrid case design is the answer the US Military was after. The 6.8x51 is only good for replacing the Marksman rifles, not the standard soldiers AR15. Such a shame

[@JamesBond-ip6pl]

Two of my favorite KZbin personalities. What a pleasant surprise

[@TimkennedyMMA]

Seriously. How great is Kagen. Dude is even cooler in person. Absolute genuine and authentic badass.

[@CiviTac]

replacing 556 for 6.8 is a move back to the battle rifle philosophy we already proved made zero sense for the average rifleman. I would hope the 6.8 just replaces DMR roles instead. i wouldnt want to lug around a 20 round mag fed rifle that weighs 14lbs kitted out on a ruck. that sounds like a machine gunner's job

[@MrCashewkitty]

Those Sig checks are cashing

[@mclmm6773]

6:54. Pretty sure tungsten is only in true AP 5.56mm M995. The penetrator is M855 is just steel.

[@zack9912000]

correct, M855 isnt AP. It was terrible performer overseas

[@BANDERSJR]

M855a1 is the round that performs

[@BIGGUNS-dz4hg]

Looks like the 308 did some serious damage, looks like it had better knockdown power.

[@TimkennedyMMA]

The 308 is a bigger bullet. 175 grains compared to 113 grains. It is significantly slower, even though I shot it out of a rifle with a longer barrel. One of the biggest benefits is carrying the kinetic energy at long range.

[@PwntifexMaximus]

@@TimkennedyMMA Enough difference to spend hundreds of millions on and ongoing increased costs of ammo? Yes, it's better than the 308 at long range. Yes, it's slightly better than M80A1 at barrier penetration. Is it ENOUGH better to warrant an entire new system and adoption, despite not falling outside the dimensions and footprint of existing 308 platforms?

[@theprfesssor]

​​@@PwntifexMaximus 308 can't do what 6.8 does out of SBR.....hell no other cartridge can ( except possibly big magnums )

[@PwntifexMaximus]

@@theprfesssor Why should we deploy SBRs in the role of DMRs? My PC has 1600% larger screen than my android, that doesn't make my desktop a better phone.

[@es4583]

@@theprfesssor they could always make 7.62 NATO aka .308 ammo and run it at 80k psi.

[@zacharyharwell351]

6.8, in my mind, doesn't make sense as a standard infantry cartridge. Special Purpose and/or DMR roles would be perfect for the cartridge, and maybe some sort of hybrid role could exist, but for the added cost, weight (both of Ammo AND the rifle), and retooling required to field this as a standard infantry rifle, I just don't see it. I think the original 6.8 SPC II or a variant of 6.5 Grendel makes a lot more sense if we are wanting longer range capability in the hands of standard infantry. Hell, even 6.5 Creedmoor makes more sense as its already WIDELY used with tons of components everywhere, and many companies could make/offer loads for trial. As cool as the 6.8x51mm is, I think its a misallocation of resources and overly burdensome in terms of logistics and weight.

[@theprfesssor]

The Creedmore and SPC don't get good SBR performance, especially compared to 6.8 Military wanted standard performance out of a SBR system

[@gavinwebb9845]

Everyone knows Kegan !! 🐐🐐

[@johngrant276]

No way, bigger bullets moving faster. Science!❤

[@malcolmsoh5648]

Tim is currently in the 20th SFG (reserved)?

[@tedfernyhough3759]

Interesting comparison. Typically, our NZ Army has only recently re equipped with LMT AR15 type rifles in 5.56. And the Yanks introduce a new calibre…..I wonder if Australia will adopt it. I hey do, I guess we wi follow suit

[@corycarlson8712]

No... its just another pipe dream. We dont have the money or the logistics to switch from 556 or 762nato. It would be insane and i dont think our military is truly this stupid. We might keep it in inventory for very special units that need to go up against near peer units that have good armour or other situations like we found in afghanistan where we needed to reach out... but i dont see us switching from the 556 which we have trillions of rounds of ammo for.. plus it looks like we are heading into a ww3 type situation. Itd be the absolute dumbest idea ever to switch now. I think we are set until caseless ammo or lazer guns. But our leadership hasnt been making great decisions lately so i dk.

[@williamghiatis6739]

The 7.62 still has the win!

[@zack9912000]

does work well out of SBRs and doesn't have the energy of the 6.8

[@jeebugorn]

my local gun shop just got this rifle in a couple weeks ago. it was the SBR variant, and cost $4000, no optic obviously. i want it, but cant drop that cash on a blaster that has unknown ammo availability outside of the military. maybe by the time the ammo gets commonplace, i can afford the rifle.

[@theprfesssor]

You can buy ammo right now, including the hybrid from SIG, hybrid offering is actually using a 155gr matchking SIG is also making a Cross bolt gun for it as well which I assume will be far cheaper

[@yippikiyay197]

What's the benefit over the 7.62?

[@theprfesssor]

Far better performance out of SBR systems Lighter ammo ( avg about 20% reported) Lighter recoil Flatter trajectory The new 6.8 is better than 7.62 in nearly every way except availability......7.62 has a near 70 year head start on that SIG new ammo plant if almost built give it time

[@netocaste1510]

Tim performed a Hawk Tuah on the ballistic gel 🤣🤣🤣

[@raraku1250]

Will this drop the price for the 556 for the civilian market ?

[@dreb222]

What’s more important: More ammunition capacity per soldier, or better knock down power? Maybe the next conflict is the only entity that can answer this question.

[@kevinbee7236]

I'm curious why they didn't just go straight for 7.62. Doesn't NATO have a metric shit ton and pretty much everyone has it. I know prices will come down as this round is implemented but part of there existing "xx NATO" rounds was logistics. Then again, "military intelligence" is an oxymoron.

[@MrCashewkitty]

Because that wouldn't involve shady deals and dirty money. Its all a scam.

[@TyEMW1014]

not really... You're a code for me. Because of Tower King II in Cedar Hill, TX and Tulsa King by Stallone.

[@curtiscox1897]

Just watching the .308 in the ballistic gel looks like a lot more damage

[@richardrogers8254]

😮 Holy crap, definitely don't want to get hit by that.

[@Sissivanska]

Do you want to get hit by .22LR? Or something else?

[@johnmorganjr769]

Small Army =yes 💯. 6.8mmx51mm 🏅

[@johnmorganjr769]

Im afraid the recoil issue may rear its ugly head, ala' .40 S&W, really ! Gen. Z dude !

[@ManInTheWoods76]

I very much dislike the man. But I like the subject matter. Will watch. Won't follow.

[@nikos6220]

Wooow - that 6.8x51 113 grain is a total terminal ballistic fail based on the gel. 10 inches of penetration without the projectile expanding…

[@sebastienjonas4984]

To be fair, military doesn't care much about terminal ballistic but more about armor penetration and hit capability over distance.

[@danielsnook7362]

Its about armor penetration with this bullet not entry and exit wounds. Isn't that why open tip bullets and hollow points suck against armor but are great against unarmored at targets? Like civilians and animals ?

[@Loquscious]

Tim, I wish for one of two things...... That you were older OR I was younger. Incountry with you had to be an experience .... And a pisser. Stay frosty my brother.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

308 for the win

[@NoahBranch503]

Tim Kennedy explaining m855 mild steel penetrator ...it has a 7 grain depleted uranium nuclear penetrator and than 55 grains of regular 😂😂😂😂

[@mikei2448]

I wouldn’t wanna be hit with any of those!

[@theprfesssor]

Pretty obvious the new 6.8 easily outperforms 5.56....... 7.62 for that matter Will it truly replace the 5.56, I dont see it anytime soon as the current reliance in stockpiles are simply so high......I can certainly see it retiring the 7.62/308 though as it better then it in every way but both would need NATO to be on board and that could take time.....took them over 20 years to adopt the 5.7..... ( also only America like the 6.8 caliber just look at the official options) I'll be very interesting to see how this goes, I wonder if SIG will keep it all in house or will allow other ammo makers to make the new cartridge as i believe they trademarked the whole thing

[@attorneyssimgarage1482]

What's the purpose of the 6.8 for NATO? More energy/penetration?

[@opsmen6128]

M33

[@larryfisherman6449]

the 6.8 is still twisting inside the gel making the wound channel itself twisted , nasty stuff

[@davidsensei2128]

La fin ils gifle le gel 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ils est trop drôle et attachant Tim et le genre d'amis ou tu donnent le meilleur pour lui 😊

[@larryfisherman6449]

@@davidsensei2128 no one speaks that French language

[@davidsensei2128]

@@larryfisherman6449 not problème Friends 🤝 thanks you for support Tim Kennedy 💪😊❤️ un frère une famille pour TOUS ☀️🌏🇺🇸

[@jesuslovesyoujohn314-21]

The 308 is still my favorite.

[@AcceptableAsGenerallyDecent]

i read 8.6 and just scrolled past the first time lol

[@charlesmullins3238]

Suck it up and just make a badass 7mm round…make the mile easy again

[@darprdun8968]

Expansion seemed a lil late but what do I know…..

[@imberaeris6768]

Battle rifle pros and problems. We’ll have to see how it shakes out.

[@josh.3808]

‘Murican innovation. It ain’t just Palmer Lucky hard at work! 🍀 (love how scientists found a middle ground) #MakeEmDance

[@tnkklr2011]

I think Tim Kennedy is Nico Ortiz's long lost father.

[@Patriot-Logic]

If our grandfathers shot 30-06 all day for years these modern wimps can learn to man up!

[@BradleyChambers-q9u]

"tungsten steel" I wish😂

[@tman3831]

It is

[@ThePhilipoconnor]

Can’t see anyone else in nato adopting this to be honest.

[@iPoTeNcYy]

Nato can barely fund a military to defend themselves, doubt they'll fund anything next gen like this.

[@ThePhilipoconnor]

@@iPoTeNcYy especially when it makes no sense compared to all known and established military doctrine. The US moronically made nato go with 7.62x51, can’t see them falling for it twice especially with a ton of countries recently adopting new 5.56 platforms lately.

[@theprfesssor]

It will take a while for sure Took NATO 20 years to adopt the 5.7, and the 270/6.8 diameter is simply ignored by Europe ( the wold pretty much) just look at the SAAMI options, sending 7.62/308 into retirement though is definitely a possibility especially if SIG can pump it out As said here already though main issue will be money, Europe doesn't like spending money on defense only until very recently when Ivan started knocking on the door has attitude changed

[@zack9912000]

Good, it gives us the advantages

[@ThePhilipoconnor]

@@zack9912000 does it? If the enemy has more ammunition than you and can move faster than you and doesn’t have to worry about having a 5 foot 3 female armed with sig spear in their fire team/squad/platoon whatever, do you have the advantage?

[@countyz3351]

7.62x51 for me

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

I’m definitely interested to see how this goes but I think the marine rifle is the answer

[@99reactss]

6.8 is legit

[@Skriptz187]

308 did the most damage obviously?

[@mattschultzy671]

So... Three oh hate still wins??? Of course the gel makes it look like most rounds would have passed right through before dumping their energy, gel of course, not the same as meat...

[@justinriley8651]

the m855a1 does not have a tungsten penetrator. yes it matters .

[@PeterRSCFF]

15” neck. That’s a giraffe round

[@Possum3v]

I’m not impressed by the terminal performance of 6.8x51

[@derptothemaxclearly]

Well, yeah lol.

[@joshsouza589]

.308WIN 4theWIN

[@ctrackthezer0]

Can the Tim Kennedy Really Outlive the Communist accusations?

[@hondo375flint2]

P.S that new sig ammo is $15 dollars a round

[@theprfesssor]

For the 1st batch of the military only special stuff yes SIG new factory is coming online shortly, all ammo is expensive when it's new especially revolutionary stuff also there is already hybrid available far cheaper then that from SIG

[@MenofRenowndiscussions]

I thought it was ice

[@markbreidenbaugh6033]

No no not 308 it is three-oh-hate!

[@dashcammer4322]

Not for cost per round and global ammo availability it sure can't.

[@theprfesssor]

It's a brand new revolutionary round give it time for the supply chain to develop Why do you think 308 and 556 are so cheap and plentiful

[@hondo375flint2]

Since we're no longer in a war we have to keep the military industrial complex in $ so we do unnecessary stuff like this spend spend spend

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

Or this rifle for dmr roles

[@mikes.8823]

he kinda ripped off garandthumb in the beginning

[@jjgriffin3275]

Im on the 6 ARC bandwagon

[@theprfesssor]

Doesn't give enough difference to justify the switch, military doesn't do incremental upgrades they tried it before with the 6.8 SPC and XM, the SCAR, the ACR

[@shepleonard8695]

5.56 did better, 6.8 is pointless