Timney Alpha Glock Trigger Problems!!! | Glock 17 | vman

[@bigfranksworld]

I couldn't tell on your previous mag changes, but at 3:38, when you come up after your mag change, you gun isn't all the way into battery. You can see that at the back plate. Not for sure it's a trigger problem. Could be ammo, weak recoil spring, etc. If you have case gauged all your ammo, I would change out the recoil spring before I did anything with the trigger.

[@Hawkeyenurse]

Isn’t the Timney Alpha supposed to be used with stock guide rods and springs? Could that light spring be the problem?

[@vmanshooting]

i'm not sure how the recoil spring weight would cause the light strike unless it doesn't rack the slide completely, which it did. but i remember changing everything back to stock and it was still defective. there are many others who have had the same trouble. at any rate, I've been done toying around trying to turn a Glock into a better gun.

[@bigfranksworld]

@@vmanshooting But it didn't go into battery. Looked like it was slightly out of battery. Were you running all stock spring with the trigger?

[@coltedwards4031]

Did you ever get figured out what was wrong with your Timney trigger? Having the same issue with mine. They sent me another trigger bar and still having light strikes.

[@vmanshooting]

I never figured it out. But I tried a different Timney Alpha in another Glock and it worked. I returned my original. I think it’s a pretty bad product to be honest. Definitely not drop-in friendly. But the issue is really because of the sear and the thickness of it. Because the firing pin is dragging on top of it slowing down the pin. Good luck!

[@jimbob24fan]

If the return spring is not installed properly the trigger will not reset. Sadly the instructions are not clear on this issue.

[@BrandensOutdoorChannel]

"Glock Perfection". That's why my carry guns run stock triggers.

[@vmanshooting]

I definitely recommend everyone test out their equipment before using it for anything serious!

[@jasonmatheson8852]

I had the light strikes and they sent me a new spring. I shot Area 7 this year and the trigger safety in my Timney failed. Fortunately I had a back up with all stock internals. I will be removing the Timney and just going with the stock trigger. $150 wasted on Timney.

[@vmanshooting]

Yeah they aren’t worth the trouble

[@robertbartlett5110]

I threw mine in the woods yesterday at a USPSA match

[@vmanshooting]

LMAO, it belongs there. Looks like many people have had issues with it.

[@sightlinestrategies]

I so wanted this trigger to work. Shame because it really does improve the feel but the reliability issues make it a no go.

[@vmanshooting]

same. but this was 2 years ago when it first came out. I haven't heard of too many others *recently* having the same issues I had.

[@sightlinestrategies]

@@vmanshooting some other serious shooters that I know say the issue still isn't fixed.

[@vmanshooting]

@@sightlinestrategies damn that sucks

[@kenworley9519]

Since the Timney Alpha design eliminates the trigger pull compressing the striker spring, I find it difficult to believe it’s “causing” light strikes. All it’s doing is releasing the sear. Seems more likely your striker spring is too light. There’s no reason to use a light spring with the Alpha since it doesn’t really affect the trigger pull. Just speculating.

[@vmanshooting]

Thanks for watching. In my setup, everything is stock including the springs. The only thing not stock is the minus connector. But the same issue happened with a stock connector too. When I debugged it with Timney we believed it was due to the firing pin lug dragging on the top part of the sear. There are clear drag marks on it. They sent me a new one and it still had issues with light strikes. Later I found out that the thickness of the sear between the two that I had on hand were different. I actually bought a 3rd one to confirm and returned the first two. The third one ended up working… I guess I got unlucky

[@jdev232]

@@vmanshooting just put one in. 125 rds and 6 light strikes. And of course the obvious drag marks. Im Going to see if it gets better with use. Cruciform is noticeably thicker than stock

[@vmanshooting]

@@jdev232 ouch! That’s a lot. You can try to polish it to so you don’t have to waste so much ammo.

[@jdev232]

@@vmanshooting so I'm able to watch the firing pin as I pull back slide. With trigger depressed, the striker barely clears (but does) cruciform, but gets hung up on sear. That's the most noticeable point

[@vmanshooting]

@@jdev232 it’s definitely the sear that’s slowing down the firing pin. You should probably return it or exchange it. Their customer service is really nice

[@AllOuttaNine]

Nice footage! I thought the Timney Alphas were supposed to avoid all the light strikes by design.

[@vmanshooting]

Honestly I think I got a defected shipment. It's something with the trigger bar where it's creating some drag between firing pin and trigger bar. They are sending me a new one to test out though!

[@AllOuttaNine]

@@vmanshooting Good to see they take care of their customers. Do you feel like you can rip off faster splits with it?

[@vmanshooting]

@@AllOuttaNine it's sad that what you see here in the video is the fastest I've ever shot lol. I've never had the chance to pull the trigger as fast as I can, but maybe I'll try it this weekend during practice to test my grip. If I had to guess, my splits will be somewhat similar because while it's easier to pull the trigger with the Timney Alpha, the reset is slower than the Glock trigger with 6lb return spring.

[@AllOuttaNine]

@@vmanshooting Everyone’s gotta start somewhere. My splits are pretty slow too. I recall someone mentioning that the TA triggers did have like a weak reset or something and that they wanted to mess with the trigger reset string or an even higher powered striker spring.

[@chromosomehoarder6927]

@@vmanshooting I ended up with the Zev enhanced firing pin to fix this issue. Just ever so slightly longer and lighter

[@thelastjohnwayne]

I would be Super Mad at Timney. Matches are expensive. Ammo is super expensive right now Gas is expensive... And You have a G-17 which is probably the most reliable handgun in the world and you get stuck with a Piece of Junk Aftermarket Trigger...... Did you field test that thing first?

[@vmanshooting]

Yeah I was not happy. Timney ended up sending me a different bar that didn't work out so I got a refund. And I know a ton of others who have had the same issues. Wrt field testing it, yes. I took it to a nearby indoor range and I would average 1 light strike per 50 rounds. Later my theory was that it's got to do something with inserting a full mag increases the chances of a light strike. I didn't do that often with the 50 rounds that I used to test, hence the 1/50 isn't reflected in a real match.

[@capomand45]

Never had light strikes period! I use only Winchester primers.

[@vmanshooting]

@@capomand45 i'm glad it worked for you! at least for me, it was a pain in the ass trying to figure it out. I wish that if they advertise that it's a "drop-in" trigger and will work with stock Glock parts, it will have the proper tolerances to maintain the same level of reliability.

[@libertyforever836]

I have a Timney and it works great. They are not "drop in" and go. They have to be tuned by someone who understands the way the trigger is supposed to work. Tuned correctly and they work great. If you don't have the expertise, send it to someone who does.

[@vmanshooting]

Maybe that’s what they are saying now, but when these first came out it was advertised as drop in ready. Timney went as far as sending me extra parts to test because it was a very common problem at the time.

[@libertyforever836]

If they marketed them that way, its buyer beware. Nearly EVERY after market part for any pistol is not drop in. Anyone with gunsmiths expertise will tell you that. You near always have to fit a part to make it work. @@vmanshooting

This settles it. Overwatch.

[@vmanshooting]

Don’t do it! Get a walther or tanfo

[@Pmedic605]

All the comments about the trigger when it's the trigger puller who sucks. Try shooting even faster; you'll miss even more targets. 🤣

[@vmanshooting]

I certainly have a long way to go, but I think I did alright accuracy-wise