Timothy Pawl - Imagining Eternal Life

[@ECharlie-kq1ib]

Ever since I was a very young child, maybe 7 or 8 years old I remember, going to Catholic mass and hearing the choir, I couldn't IMAGINE an iternity of just worship...and supposedly LIKING IT!

[@Dion_Mustard]

forget religion. eternity is not linked to religious doctrine..you need to go more down the route of consciousness to understand accept eternity. this is not the stuff of fantasy, this is the future of neuroscience.

[@seeloonchai9908]

You are already eternal. Stop imagining just create peace, no violence, no poverty, on hunger, no homelessness on earth. There is more than enough for everyone on earth.

[@jdc7923]

Almost all discussion of eternal life seem to take Time as a given, an absolute overarching something similar to our intuitive, everyday grasp of time. But even our existing scientific knowledge tells us that time is not really like that, is not absolute (as discovered by the Theory of Relativity). We have reason to believe that if God exists, time does not pass for him (assuming the traditional conceptions of God). Imputing an eternity of boredom to the idea of an afterlife is a groundless step.

[@leonoradompor8706]

I see still Heaven in slum areas.I have visited slum areas and live there and see people very happy, full of interactions, many many many small stores and people love eating street foods.

[@evanjameson5437]

Getting to eternal life, is a step up in the process of knowing and understanding God--I'm sure the comprehension/experience of God and further fulfillment of my life, means that I would continue to grow and evolve with God and "move into other dimensions with him", which should in itself be an incredible experience, never ending. Agnostics and atheists believe we are nothing more than a blood filled computer that shuts off when the heartbeat goes away but they cannot and never will be able to explain consciousness..

[@MrRamon2004]

Imaging eternal life, you have to forget matter and think as energy and even like energy is hard to reach eternal life, and the reason is, we have to know what we-are first in the material life, and don't allow creed to confuse you, practice one single line. Love each other as your self. no like religion, as a natural ting to do. In this life and the next one stay in the light.

[@bluelotus542]

In order to satisfy our quest for knowledge and bliss, eternal life should not be static but ecstatic.

[@Yameen200]

I dont know how any reality can be ecstatic for eternity. Everything must get tedious eventually. The only way would be to create beings who are programmed to never get bored but that would be rigging the game then, fooling the ppl.

[@bluelotus542]

@@Yameen200 We are already ecstatic, but we're now looking for our lost paradise in the wrong place.

[@Yameen200]

@@bluelotus542 Well u must be living in lala land coz this world is filled with pain & suffering of all kinds. Nobody is ectastic

[@bluelotus542]

@@Yameen200 I'll be more clear: we all want to be happy, that is, ecstatic, because happiness is our ontological condition. It's when we try to be happy in this world full of pain that our attempt results in a failure. As Milton says, in order to be happy we must go back to our lost paradise.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@bluelotus542 I like your statement " In order to satisfy our quest for knowledge and bliss, eternal life should not be static but ecstatic." I agree with you but what do you think Milton meant by "lost paradise"?

[@B.S...]

Ground Hog Day is not about boredom it's about purgatory.

[@Convexhull210]

Purgatory isn't what happens after you die. Heaven or hell based on Jesus Christ as your savior

[@AReallyLongAndUnremakableUser]

We are all spiritually immortal. Death is just a transition from one life to the next. If we really did life ONCE, Why do we have a subconscious memory?

[@thomasridley8675]

Spiritually immortal ? Does that go for everyone who has ever walked this rock ?

[@PutchewInnaspin]

Maybe you should be more suspicious of where your subconscious memory really comes from.

[@leonoradompor8706]

I see Heaven with the Street-kids, they have full of fun and funny, spontaneous,adventurous.I eat with the street-kids, play with them, feed them with food and love,pray with them and teach them,wash them !

[@azhakabad4229]

In my opinion we are actually living an eternal life as we are just a some part of energy (can't be created or destroyed) that changes it's form!

[@Dion_Mustard]

the key is consciousness. if you study near death experiences you soon realise consciousness is indestructible. look up non-local consciousness.

[@azhakabad4229]

@Al Garnier Oh thanks bro I didn't know that here am I right or wrong? I'm a 16 year old student

[@azhakabad4229]

@Lisa Jordan Ok Lisa next time I will take care of this.

[@azhakabad4229]

@Al Garnier Ok Al Garnier I will take care of this next time!

[@S3RAVA3LM]

Valhalla -- angels, beer, music, art, paradise, colors, beauty, freedom, peace. All you have to do is honorably die in battle fighting the good fight to get there -- Valkyrie will come for you.

[@williamvallespir5509]

I love this show you are just like me. Scared of living forever scared of dying forever. Yep I am just perplexed I have thought about all these topics very recently. Timothy Prawl you are great at explaining.

[@matishakabdullah5874]

You know when one is in a truly enjoying mode .... and similarly one in suffering mode ...one forgot everything thing else! ETERNAL means...,universal clock stopped. No more day and night. Only enjoying a blissful life in heaven or suffering in hell(no more death)....And one shall be in one of the 2 modes living!

[@leonoradompor8706]

I see Heaven with the Poor laborers, simple life simple joys !

[@tntac1]

Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard...

[@Yameen200]

It has always amazed me how religion has romanticized the afterlife as something so beyond our comprehension.

[@MrTitanic222]

His simplistic projection to a future state which one cannot presumably contemplate is bizarre. Like asking a six year old to imagine what it's like to be married to a woman you truly love, and vice versa.

[@klivebretznev2624]

In religious scripture of a certain faith it says we cannot even imagine what it will be later like but then Proceeds to give many details of what it will entail. To be honest with you it's not at all reassuring despite what you might think. I know quite frankly from my own experience that except for death n ageing n poverty there are great pleasure n Delights to be found here. One need not necessarily be there.

[@Yameen200]

well perhaps the descriptions are just to make it easy to look foward to it but the actual reality would be beyond what we can now conceive

[@somethingyousaid5059]

Whether it be eternal or temporal, no being should force the life of another being.

[@somethingyousaid5059]

We're all victims of Nature.

[@nazann]

Eternal life would tear all meaning from time. Imagining life with no perception of time... what are you supposed to do? All I know is the passing of time, I can think about the past or future but I only experience the present. Perhaps the idea of past, present and future is meaningless the very moment you become eternal.

[@francesco5581]

i totally agree ...once you have eternity in front and behind you then only the present matter. And it's what everyone who had an NDE says . No time .

[@cps_Zen_Run]

I have absolutely no desire for eternal life. Realizing the shortness of our existence encourages me to appreciate each day. And perhaps to be kinder to one another. Peace.

[@rareone5041]

Carey Stoneking According to the bible, the after life is eternal. The question is what do we do for eternity in that after life?

[@chrisc1257]

@@rareone5041 slave or MASTER?

[@Dion_Mustard]

well i am afraid as a living organism you are indestructible - or should i say your consciousness is indestructible therefore you will live on..if you study the near death/out of body experience you quickly realise there is an expansion of consciousness at the point of death, not oblivion. you are focused too much on eternity in the religious sense. exclude religion, look to quantum physics. and from those who have experienced the NDE or OBE, it is the most amazing experience ever imaginable. a million times better than current "physical" existence. So please open your mind and don't be so depressing.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

@@Dion_Mustard NDE has been completely debunked. Look at the research and you will find it is due to anesthesia , stress, or oxygen depletion.

[@rareone5041]

Live Life What’s OBE?

[@lucaslahlum6331]

First time I’ve seen someone I personally know on the channel.

[@britishnomad]

What happened to your podcasts? Please reply... Thanks

[@rooruffneck]

Is there an entire video of this conversation?

[@francesco5581]

i suggest to type "Timothy Pawl" in the videos page of this channel

[@rooruffneck]

@@francesco5581 thanks so much

[@soubhikmukherjee6871]

I hope there's eternal life. However I'm not too sure.

[@Yameen200]

Yup im not sure either though hope theres afterlife dont know about the eternity part. One reason i think there may be afterlife is if morality is real then there has to be a way to fix the injustices in life, reward the good, punish the bad and compensate the suffering. If not i dont see how any moral actions or intentions make any difference except as social norms nothing more.

[@kuroryudairyu4567]

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[@Dion_Mustard]

i am confident there is such a thing as "eternal life"..in fact the more you study consciousness and quantum physics you realise life after death is virtually proven...exclude religion and look more into consciousness and near death / out of body experiences which suggest consciousness expands at the point of death, it doesn't just "fall into oblivion".

[@fazilp1895]

eternal life is the most borring thing u can ever imagine of..thers no point in living if u are never going to die..living for eternity means locked up in a reality forever.its more depressing than death

[@Yameen200]

@@fazilp1895 But what if that eternity was so good you could never get bored. Theres always something to look foward to doing.

[@JoeZorzin]

Time to grow up. We're all finite. So, rather than discuss what the afterlife is like- better to consider why it's OK that we're finite.

[@joshheter1517]

So, from what I gather, you seem to disagree with some of the underlying assumptions of the interviewee.

[@leonoradompor8706]

There are lots of tiny miracles everyday, please notice them.Be a miracle !

[@DougMacary]

I'd like to see an interview of Frank Tipler. He wrote the Physics of Immortality.

[@philippemartin6081]

I am not enought of you, Dr Lawrence. Hope we all their till the end of time. Questioning or self , it is healty as human being. Insean it is when you stop questioning are self. Exemple ; being a zombies it no more that juste sitting an a rocking chairs and give up on Life, no fundamental questioning , no more love or passion drive you just sitting on the rocking chairs and that it. What I'saying it not dépression. IT is no more pulsions of Life burning inside your (Âme,); sorry for french Word. Anyway those or people, zombies they let that happen, they let Entropy get in by the big door it is call (paresse), not laysiness but (paresse)it is the contraire of love that it . Sincères amitiés to you Dr Lawrence, and all of you great fans like me, dont matter here on this show the comment sometime we argu sometime we Exchange but we all know some, no one here is a zombies. That for sure. Se you next chicane....

[@Bill..N]

Enjoyed the show.. On reflection, I don't think I would want to live for an eternity..BUT 1,500 years or so would be nice..

[@NightBazaar]

And what happens if, when you reach the age of 1,499 years, you discover that there are other profoundly worthwhile things that would require living beyond 1,500 years, say perhaps another 10 million years? If Time is completely eliminated, there'd be no concern about setting longevity limits to anything. Depending on what the nature of Time itself actually is, it would be particularly significant if what we perceive as Time is just an illusion. Our view of Present Time is always a view of Past Time (events that have already happened). We have no view of Future Time, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Are you sure you'd want to put a limit on longevity?

[@andrebrown8969]

@@NightBazaar Do you have any concept of eternity? I am sure you would not want to exist that and can never stop existing. People who clamour for eternity think more of themselves than they really are. Such arrogance.

[@Yameen200]

@@NightBazaar I dont see how any reality can yield not being bored for eternity regardless of time perception linear time or absence of time awareness. Eventually you would exhaust all good things, learn every thing possible, do every good thing billions, trillions of times and u still havent exhausted eternity.

[@francesco5581]

@@andrebrown8969 So who wants everyone alive forever is an arrogant and someone who wants everyone dead forever is generous ? This is the death of logic .

[@francesco5581]

@@Yameen200 Because you think at "the things to do" and not the very basic concept of "to be" Vs "not to be" and the fact to be able to feel again any kind of things and emotions. think about being able "to love again or to be loved again " Vs "not being loved (or love) anymore" . And i think that death have this purpose, to eliminate that "boring" thought from our minds.

[@MrRamon2004]

Eternal life is there, the creator is there, and he don't send no bothy to hell, you don't reach eternity, he send you back, and try find your gold one more time, is the reason reincarnation exist and is the same reason multiuniverses exist too. In this life and the next one stay in the light.

[@ferdinandkraft857]

This back-and-forth samsara seems so pointless...

[@MrRamon2004]

@@ferdinandkraft857 if useless, will be no reason to be here.

[@Elaphe472]

Maybe the prospect of the coming eternal non-existence is so terrifing (for those who cannot accept the end), that somehow we cling to the fantasy of 'eternal-being', where religions and faith gives us 'permission' to believe in wishful scenarios -- maybe an example/manifestation of what C. Jung called the 'child-man'.

[@JoeZorzin]

Karl Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses.

[@musicaangomera]

Every time a listen to a catholic I get more convinced my evolution out of catholicism was the correct one.

[@leonoradompor8706]

The importance of Sufferings is the growth while in sufferings, there’s s suffering because of sinning and there is sufferings because for standing for truth and what is right and ask yourself i am at peace, do i have clean and clear conscience, am i guilty ?If you are at peace then your life is Heavenly, if you are not at peace even with power and vast trillions of money with all the the worldly pleasures then you are not complete and you are not perfect.

[@theliamofella]

Are you liking your own comments? 😉

[@Cap683]

As far as I’m concerned, that went nowhere. Usually I like this channel.

[@francesco5581]

the big questions always go nowhere ...

[@sk8shred]

I think reality is even stranger than we can imagine, what if after 10^1000000000 years after our death a new universe has arisen and in that universe the same brain configuration of atoms (that is to say, you as a person) originates? Like you live you life over and over again, without yourself knowing it.

[@bsan7919]

I’ve thought of this exact same thing...I mean that is the logical implication if some aspect of reality is eternal. We are bound to repeat this this life...and for an infinite amount of times.

[@gustavocosta9574]

@@bsan7919 Panic lol 👍 I don't want to repeat my life again, again and again. Eternal life sounds good if you can get more and more knowledge forever, in other words, learning a new thing every day for all the eternity.

[@gustavocosta9574]

@@bsan7919 Imagine if could play the piano with Beethoven or Mozart? That's would be fantastic

[@bsan7919]

@@gustavocosta9574 for sure, I have to think of reality is ultimately infinite the amount of growth and learning remains infinite as well. However, in our physical bodies and with our limited brains I don’t believe we can begin comprehend what the really means.

[@leonoradompor8706]

A Beautiful Person with a Beautiful Soul can recognize a Beautiful Goddess !

[@mikerodriguez1044]

I can tell you have a good soul, I yearn to be better but my flesh is well trained. Love your comments they are up lifting need more people like you in my life.

[@jimmurns7526]

In heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here

[@odiupickusclone-1526]

Mission impossible...

[@klivebretznev2624]

Very few of those who follow religious scripture Realize the implications of the promises made.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

What do you mean?

[@leonoradompor8706]

Whether i live or die or have many cycles of Life i control the Souls that embodied in my Heavenly Body , the Beautiful Souls of Dead people are embodied in my whole Heavenly Blissful Beautiful Body, some bad souls i don’t permit them to embodied in my Heavenly Blissful Body, bad souls i see them gnashing their teeth and suffering severely and some souls are permitted to be reincarnated !

[@kyledailey]

Closer to Truth... but never there, is a Hell, but the alternative is another form of Hell too. Damned if we know all, and Damned if we don't. *Fuck Everything!*

[@Devious_Dave]

"we get so little data, it's hard to say" - what shows the data about an afterlife is above zero? Speculation + imagination = nothing.

[@francesco5581]

Eternal life : Knowing that still in a million of years i can sit on the border of the sea with a cup of italian wine , a slice of pizza and a beautiful woman i love (and a few cats around) . I can accept that . Ohh and i will drink at the memory of who found that terribly boring and decided to be eternally dead (free of will !!) .

[@everybodyb3cool836]

Boy, you are really deluded...

[@francesco5581]

@Andreaz-64 here you go my sad atheist ... Now do you wonder who is enjoying life more (whatever afterlife there will if , if even one) ?

[@francesco5581]

@@everybodyb3cool836 What is the difference with being delusional or not ? If you are not deluded what you gain ? Surely you will be not more happy (since you know that you are going to lose everything) and you will never even know what advantage it had ...You will never know either that your were right !! So it would be just a simple exercise of nihilism. But imagine if you are wrong, you will have to pass eternity knowing that you have spread nihilism instead of hope.

[@everybodyb3cool836]

@@francesco5581 you speak as if reincarnation in the form of a corona virus or a poor child in Africa in the middle of a war is completely out of the realm of possibilities - as if nihilism is the only other option. Meaning, you are awfully specific, as if you have acess to priviledged information about the after life... But there is no actual difference because there is no actual point; you added nothing to any rational discussion on the topic, only delusion.

[@francesco5581]

@@everybodyb3cool836 delusion is only on hindsight . And btw my example was just a "funny" way to show that beautiful things cant be boring , never . You can be bored of one song , but you cant be bored of music. Arts are a good example of sustainability of eternity , since are always new , always different. Regarding the poor child dying in Africa what you think he hopes more ? Being alive and happy for eternity or having been a tragic representation of an organic life without a future?

[@leonoradompor8706]

Big Banquet with the Poor in Heaven,if you feed the poor without malice then your life is Heavenly !

[@leonoradompor8706]

See Beautiful Things Around You because the Goddess is Supreme Beauty !

[@nigh7swimming]

When modern humans meet to discuss Bronze Age ideas and wonder how likely they are any why they don't make much sense.

[@anaccount8474]

He sounds like Edward Norton.

[@mobiustrip1400]

Catholic men should rather leave intellectual enquiry to scientists and stick with what they know best: pedarism.

[@thomasridley8675]

So the only reason to live forever is to spend your time getting closer to your god ? The same damn thing you did in life ? That sounds more like a sentence than a reward.

[@moonbeamskies3346]

None of this makes sense to me. Why would any form of eternal existence be good? It would be hell no matter what it was. The reason our existence on earth is tolerable is because we know it will end in a reasonable amount of time.

[@leonoradompor8706]

You can play basketball in slum areas, wonderful heavenly activities, play with the poor !

[@kamalnawhal9356]

Okay

[@philrobson7976]

You could spend the rest of eternity discussing whether god exists.

[@goldengold8568]

He looks like that he is from Chechnya.

[@leonoradompor8706]

I see purgatory and Hell in Rich Subdivisions, little interactions with neighborhood, lonely place,no stores,people to each his own.Snobbish people.

[@Coffee-nx9uy]

Yes, why not but not eternal damnation

[@royortiz6815]

Robert is so self absorb he says that he can't enough himself. Go figure.

[@royortiz6815]

Actually he looks more like an Amish from Pennsylvania.

[@stevecoley8365]

We are sparks placed here for a brief moment to accumulate light and warmth (love) so that we can become as bright of a star as we can be... shining in heaven (joy, beauty and harmony). Love (god) knows every star by name. We accumulate light and warmth (love) by appreciating this paradise planet lifeboat and the miraculous works of fine art called life that inhabit it. If we extinguish our light and warmth (love) with ignorance (greed)...we become the darkness and emptiness that surrounds the stars. Both here on this physical plane called Earth... like it is on the metaphysical plane we call heaven. Currently, the evangelical vampires (greed) are hiding behind the robe of truth (love) to worship ignorance (hate). The truth said with the wrong intent is worse than all that lies invent. The evangelical counting corpses have foolishly convinced themselves that Jesus (love) has "saved" them from ignorance, greed and hate. But they are sadly mistaken. They are like the darkness and emptiness that surrounds the stars. And that is what they will become after they drop the clothing of this physical plane.

[@leonardobrien]

Don't worry, in Heaven Yahweh and Jesus turn everyone into heroin addicts to cope with the boredom of eternity.

[@singularonaut]

Nice fantasy 😇

[@Dion_Mustard]

fantasy how? fantasy in the religious sense - yes. fantasy on the quantum level /quantum entanglement sense - no. life after death should not be equated to any religious doctrine as religion is man made. if you really want to expand your knowledge and take yourself away from saying things like "nice fantasy" then look into consciousness and quantum physics. or non-local consciousness. you soon realise life after death is very possible.

[@cvsree]

He is mixing up what he likes vs what is real 🤣

[@leonoradompor8706]

I am Chaste, Pure, Virgin, Celibate , i am the Virgin Mary !

[@orbital14]

Theistic contortionism at its finest

[@joshheter1517]

This is just a lazy, lobbed insult. You haven’t provided any rational ground to conclude that what he’s saying is false.

[@mikemines2931]

Wibble.

[@glovere2]

“We have so little data, it’s hard to say.” No, you have no data whatsoever but the musings of a pre-scientific era. What you have is Bronze Age magical thinking in a 21st Century world.

[@joshheter1517]

... I don’t think you understand what he’s saying.