Su-24M In War Thunder : A Basic Review

[@TimsVariety]

For a quick graphic showing some base damage results I wasn't able to fit in the video, there is a community post here: kzbin.infoUgkxEUFqEVS6-atFgzwwaeIaQ_f2qJr5B_L_

[@ysaviationtrains2313]

1:26 Test pilots are some of the most bravest individuals in this planet. Huge respect for those 13 pilots.

[@darykeng]

Eternal respect and glory to them who push the boundaries of that is possible

[@Trabulno]

At first I wasn't sure why people were saying the GSh-6-23M was so good. I thought "eh what's the deal, it's basically just a Vulcan in a slightly higher caliber", but then I saw it's fire rate...

[@TimsVariety]

I wasn't able to squeeze the footage into this review, but I got a couple of really insane clips of vaporizing helicopters and other aircraft with the gunpods. Will make for some good stock footage next time I do a ramble video.

[@Asspiss100]

​@@TimsVariety can't wait😂

[@birbjesus]

It’s odd the gunpods don’t have targeting when they seemed to work just fine in the dev server

[@TimsVariety]

Im betting they removed it for "balance"

[@roempoetliar7995]

so its not a functioning turret anymore??? well that suck

[@kurnass2000]

@@TimsVarietybecause American mains will whine with their overpeforming f16 and the underperforming mig29 and su27

[@rubotok3703]

​@@TimsVariety WAIT THEY REMOVED THE FUNNY!?

[@angelnunez6476]

They removed the other gunpowder with targeting. The ones in the video never had targeting to begin with but the swiveling version for some reason wasn’t added.

[@Sagaleon14]

Fun fact: this thing was the first aircraft to successfully eject a pilot under stationary conditions. Funnier fact: it was an accident; Paper Skies has a great vid on the details.

[@wyattr7982]

Paper Skies is an incredible channel

[@dotnask0001]

Paper skies is a Ukrainian propaganda channel.

[@Astyrical]

@@dotnask0001you can at least _try_ to have good bait

[@dotnask0001]

@@Astyrical anime pfp. You don’t have the right to an opinion.

[@Astyrical]

@@dotnask0001 you can just admit you despise anything ukrainian LOL keep eating up that hakim slop

[@LtAce150]

I really appreciate Tim's Variety reviewing aircraft like this as what they are instead of just leaving it as "this thing sucks as a fighter".

[@astonbailey-fong1178]

Gee it really earned the “suitcase” nickname didn’t it lol

[@PaiSAMSEN]

I've seen a few flying in sim battle already. It's one of those few jets that carry enough payload to blow up half of the attacking/defending tanks on the frontline in a single run while giving zero f about the SPAAG that cover the tanks...that assuming those SPAAG survive the strike to begin with. Seeing one doing its work from my TV targeting camera is such an awesome sight.

[@Thud105D]

Such a boxy fella, glad to finally see it ingame

[@OneMoreDesu]

Respect and love to all the pilots who lost their lives to develop this masterpiece.

[@TimsVariety]

Folks too often forget how dangerous it is to actually be a test pilot.

[@filyard]

Fantastic as always, I love the format of your videos.

[@veescnhnittger2974]

Loving your reviews Tim, alway somehow do a review on vehicles im about to research. I really appreciate your dedication to going really indepth in each video without making things complicated :)

[@fjorddrake389]

I love watching your reviews, even if i‘ll probably never fly most of these planes myself.

[@hoarsuh8173]

man i wasnt expecting this one so soon, but so glad to see it

[@zachthepizzaguy]

Thank you for another great video!

[@Corellian_Smuggler]

Really enjoyed this- I'm new to your channel!

[@TimsVariety]

Check the playlists on the front page of the channel, I've got several hundred of these reviews up.

[@KaguyasBeat]

Tim telling me the R-60M is flare hungry later on while one actually ignored the flares of a Harrier in the opening clip makes me question what I thought I knew.

[@TimsVariety]

There is a lot that goes into the calculation if a missile will chase a flare or not - one of the ideas with trying to take high-lead-angle missile shots is so that if the enemy plane drops a flare, it will pop out of the missile seeker's FOV quickly (since the missile is flying a little more along-side, instead of behind, the target), or maybe even spawn outside of it in the first place. The high angle on that harrier shot was a good demonstration of this. Also, a little luck always helps. ;-)

[@prancer8934]

Harriers just have a massive heat sig in this game

[@ObusPerduYT]

thanks Tim !

[@oz314]

I'd love to have the SU 24 aka the early model and the su24mk the 2000 modernised version.

[@jfv2312]

The modernised variant from the 2000s is the M2, MK is a slightly downgraded export M model. The M2 is "available" in game as an unlockable modification/upgrade, but it's lacking stuff like the R-73, Kh-38 or the drastic weight reduction thanks to lighter electronics

[@oz314]

@@jfv2312 good points, it could be a simple modification addition instead of a whole new plane

[@jfv2312]

@@oz314 no no, I mean it's already like this in game, the modification was added in the last few days of the dev server

[@cat_clan_leader]

That AV-8B at the start of the video wiping your entire team with JDAMs. Oof.

[@TimsVariety]

Yeah, that dude had a good run. Until the R-60 found him.

[@scrembirb6685]

removing the aiming gun pods but leaving the A10C with AIM9Ms while this thing has R60s at the same br

[@BlackWolf9988]

Wouldnt be surprised if we get the SU34 at some point soon.

[@barrycabbageM34]

I really wanna pick this thing up, easily one of my favourite jets... buuut I need to finish grinding the Namer first.

[@Monkey_Spunk]

This is the best thing I ever saw.

[@Orion_179]

I was hoping that you would mention the special gun pod

[@brandonbao7097]

I remember that you covered the JH-7 before, but what is your quick opinion on it now at 12.3? It feels pretty over-tiered at the moment.

[@TimsVariety]

JH-7 is doing quite well right now.

[@Moondoggymungmung]

the MAW detecting your own munitions as dangerous sounds pretty Soviet tbh, also where is the cope wire :(

[@TimsVariety]

"Deploying bombs on tarOHSHIT INCOMING SAM! ... wait, huh? ... "

[@Moondoggymungmung]

@@TimsVariety Hahaha, love the reviews keep them up.

[@tomshen320]

Su-24M is currently missing a huge amount of thrust on the stat card, compared to the Su-17M4 which uses the same engine Su-24M still lack 4560kgf of thrust

[@camilorodriguez5602]

GAIJIN ADDED THE HELLKESKA LETS GOO

[@fallen_saint6939]

I kind of like a lot of strike type aircraft, and sort of want the Su-24, but I despise Top Tier Air RB and feel dirty flying CAS in Ground RB (plus I sort of suck with tanks.)

[@wildboar222]

It killed THIRTEEN test pilots?! Jesus christ

[@TimsVariety]

.. yeah ... :-\ .... they had some major issues with early versions of the low-level navigation system flying the plane into the side of mountains, along with other problems.

[@wildboar222]

@@TimsVariety i guess i shouldn’t be too surprised given that its Soviet, but still…

[@Янус_Ырт]

​@@wildboar222 not only soviet planes killed many test pilots

[@farmcat9873]

Dont know if I ant to research this jet right now because in AirRB all you get is mostly uptiers but maybe to use for ground it might be a vehicle to use. Hell if I was gonna use the GNSS bombs i would launch all of them on a cap that is starting to be capped and send them to their point all over the cap.

[@duceposting1831]

On the MAWS issue I've made multiple bug reports about this with it being set off by literally everything and the only response I've gotten is "not a bug" "flares are a heat signature at speed and can be considered a missile" MAWS will never get fixed

[@TimsVariety]

I realize its subjective to say this, but the problem feels MUCH worse on this jet in particular. Time will tell, I suppose.

[@TomPrickVixen]

In my experience it still beats many of other bombers/attackers in air RB of getting 1st to the bases, even the tornado is many cases.

[@sagecompetitivegaming9034]

You completely forgot to mention the rwr, which is near crippling. It fails to detect the radar bands of the Mig-21 and 23, and half of the busted top tier aa.

[@TimsVariety]

2:54

[@mtxdp4392]

hopefully you do the a10c next, nobody has properly explained how its HMD works so im waiting for you lol

[@nikolaideianov5092]

X is frend Just so you know

[@TimsVariety]

Its not next, but its on the list.

[@raphael_banane]

Btw this is the same br as the Tornado marineflieger with just 2 9l's and no guided bombs

[@BlackThunder-R77]

tim i really like your reviews when i need generally i only look end. i feel guilty. i want to help with "KZbinr / Content Creator system" also your logo is nice i can use as decal

[@TimsVariety]

My channel isn't close to qualifying for the decal yet, but just watching the vids helps :-)

[@terrified057t4]

I still wish they didn't folder everything as "strike aircraft." Make this a tactical bomber, as it is in reality, not a "strike aircraft," since that's super vague. It can be anything from an A-10 to a Harrier.

[@grimmerjxcts2206]

Is that Algeria skin?? Algeria mentioned 🇩🇿🇩🇿🦊🦊🦊🦊

[@m3chgeek470]

So when the cockpit view does the manual ccrp work I noticed that the f-105d has one but it doesn't work

[@kurnass2000]

Tim, what would you say is the best way to stock grind this thing, and are GPS guided bombs able to track moving targets?

[@TimsVariety]

As I mentioned, the Glonass bombs only target fixed points on the ground and can't track moving targets. Base bombing with them, or farming clusters/convoys of AI ground units is probably the quickest early-upgrades-grind with it.

[@Aqua_Nerd]

3:35 I don't know if its a bug or how the radar is meant to work but i can detect stationary targets with it

[@TimsVariety]

With the ground MTI mode, you're not supposed to be able to. I didn't go into it in the vid because I suspect its a bug in the implementation, but I was occasionally able to see pillboxes and airfield AAA on the radar scope, but nothing else that was stationary. They might have coded in something to detect larger-size targets regardless of movement, its hard to be certain.

[@Remix2366]

Wait the America mains removed the turret?

[@TimsVariety]

I don't know what the feedback cycle for it was, but yeah - the gunpods no longer traverse, just fixed forward now.

[@relicify1179]

American mains when russia gets a 20km hmd this patch (they’ve had 19km since HMDs first released + russian HMDs can do 100+ km irl)

[@Remix2366]

@@TimsVariety the Gau 8 should be made an inaccurate piece of shit like in real life SD compensation

[@SourYogurt09]

Attack the d point!

[@LOLOtheFNG]

My question is whats with the radar screen on it? Any reason for it being a circle? Or did gaijin change it across all planes?

[@TimsVariety]

I think its a bug, which is why I didn't comment on it. Not all planes are doing this.

[@mplay8125]

Bro using Algeria Skin ❤️

[@squidshark2516]

IM SO angry , they didnt tell us anywhere that they were not giving us the gunpod tracking, so without knowing i grinded the entire plane in 2 days just to be extreemly disapointed THEY ARE LITERALLY A RANK 4 MOD , WHY GAIJIN

[@Cryo_Cake]

im not sure why we didnt get this in game sooner

[@TimsVariety]

I had expected the non-M original model Su-24 a while ago.

[@STRYKER1467]

@@TimsVariety Gaijin implemented a frankenstein variant of the Su-24 it combines the cockpit of a regular Su-24 the hull is a classic Su-24M and the armament options are from the Su-24M2, it just lacks the HMD and R-73M, this is kinda interesting so this means they want to skip the Su-24 variants which leads to the only conclusion the Su-34 is next.

[@TimsVariety]

@@STRYKER1467 Yeah, I left the some rather harsh feedback about their habit of doing this. They could have easily added the earlier model, and added it with its correct kit, and it still would have been a fun addition - but instead, this is what we got.

[@lordwintertown8284]

I should've researched this first, then all of the horrible below average french warship tree that was added... That cockpit is at least gorgeous even if it's putting you at risk of heavy blindspots, It makes me wish the WSO seat was an option to switch to.

[@donkeyknight1453]

How was that R60M not flared in 1:02???

[@TimsVariety]

I think (my intention with the shot) it was enough of a lead that the flares pop'ed outside the FOV. Otherwise, just lucky.

[@Wombat343]

Man I just finished slaving away grinding the SU-27SM now I gotta grind the whole SU-24 line 💀

[@TimsVariety]

The good news is, the Mig-27s before it are also pretty decent as CAS.

[@Falcon07BoB]

Ahhh yes CAS the thing everyone hates and we needed more of ;)

[@mich421]

So is it better or worse than the MIG 27K? Which is at the same BR

[@dotnask0001]

Depends. Su-24 has a heavier payload but worse in maneuverability.

[@TimsVariety]

It really depends on your playstyle.

[@DrZhark]

Was hopping to talisman this to finish the rest of the USSR tree, think I'll pass. Not sure what to Talisman now

[@dotnask0001]

I disagree with you about the looks of the Su-24. I think it’s the best looking tactical bomber jet ever conceived.

[@supinacgaming]

currently the only way for my self to get gps bombs

[@FirstDagger]

JF-17 with GNSS glide bombs exists as a squadron vehicle.

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@FirstDaggerdoesnt it have litteral glide bombs?

[@notimportant8882]

@@nikolaideianov5092 yes thats what he said

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

I was worried that it would get its stupid fucking swiveling gun pods. That shit would have been so broken.

[@Roma1nDG]

Those three point slams on the runway really hurt my GA pilot soul. Please be careful about your nose wheel, they are really fragile

[@TimsVariety]

My landings in VR are usually a little more gentle.

[@goliath3413]

Im still waiting for gaijin to give the GNSS bombs more guidance time than a damn TV remove battery. wtf is this 40 sec on a 500kg bomb but 150 on american 250kg bombs.

[@janusz4156]

Ace Combat fans missed him. 55 years of Su-34 "Fencer" in 2022.

[@makarevych]

Can't wait for ukrainian camo on this.

[@logicmaster756]

Heheh funny gun pod gimmick go brr

[@gansior4744]

glad two russians jets now have a ground radar, but none of the western one's are getting it

[@JoseSantos-ys3rj]

Doesn't the panavia tornado have a ground radar?

[@TimsVariety]

@@JoseSantos-ys3rj One of them has an anti-ship radar.

[@pern5349]

It’s a goofy mig 23

[@McCarthyLetitia-u5w]

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[@volatile5460]

Russian aircraft development is insane… never heard of a plane that got a complete redesign and still killed over a dozen test pilots

[@TimsVariety]

Soviet design philosophy from that era emphasized a lot of trial-and-error, and "fix 20 problems at once" instead of "fix one thing at a time, and re-test" ... sometimes that worked out pretty well, and sometimes there was a bodycount .... :-\

[@stuffy2757]

Is there any hope for this game and a fix to the abusive grind to achieve anything in this game? It's draining and soul sucking

[@alexpayne2662]

this thing fuckin sucks in air rb, it needs its R73Es you know, the MISSILES THE PLANE WAS GIVEN, lol. M4 mod doesnt even make it an M4 it just gives you guided bombs. The SU24M doesnt have those, and so, the mod doesnt make ANY sense, especially when its such a useless mod. The R60s are terrible, one flare and they're gone. Everything you face has many flares. *Everyone else has better all aspect IR missiles than you, that won't be baited by your 'large caliber countermeasures'* It can't dogfight. Articulating gunpods were removed. (F**k you, Gaijin.) Everything that isn't a frogfoot, A10, or Harrier will out accelerate you so badly your top speed is redundant, while at the same time being worse than everything else besides the aforementioned subsonic jets. This review to me seemed too generous, this jet is considered one of the worst stock grinds in the game by most of the people who have flown it. The fix is to give it the R73s and make it 11.7.