12v Hammer Drill Showdown - Round 2

[@ZeGermanHam]

The Milwaukee is the clear winner here for a number of reasons. It has a 1/2" all-metal chuck with mechanical clutch, is significantly shorter in length, is much more powerful, has a longer warranty, and is within the M12 lineup which has vastly more tools than DeWalt's 12v lineup. Those are major advantages. I'm sure DeWalt will catch up with their next model.

[@Lee-lb9qh]

The chuck on the DeWALT is metal, it's got plastic around it, not even cheap drills use a plastic chuck, it doesn't work, like making a wrench out of plastic

[@martingo2680]

I have the M12 but honestly.. I'm tired of the ergonomics. I just don't like the grip. That's why I'm here, to consider the switch. Yes, it's true. I'm fully aware of all the advantages that Milwaukee has. Which is the reason why I owned them.. throughout the years I've been collecting more Milwaukee than dewalt.. And for whatever reason DeWalt always wins in ergonomics. That's just my opinion. Both are excellent tools. And yes, you're absolutely right, I don't know what that dewalt was thinking with a plastic chunk That's not an inch.. BUT I have Milwaukee and the metal chuck is also worn down. I'm wondering if the plastic will Outlast the actual metal.

[@geoffstrickler]

Most importantly, Milwaukee stands behind their warranties. Dewalt refused warranty coverage on two products that failed that were clearly manufacturing flaws, so I stopped buying anything from SBD. Milwaukee M12, Ridgid 18V, and some tools I rarely use from Hart for me now. I to have some SBD hand tools, but I sold my DeWalt power tools.

[@damon323]

Something I thought I’d never do, but sold my 8 year old brushed Makita 18V 7-tool set. Replaced it all with Milwaukee 12V Fuel. I was blown away that the M12 being half the size and weight had equal power or more over my old 18V set. Not just Milwaukee, but all brands came a long way in the last few years

[@TinkerWithTools]

You are right. There have been a lot of improvements and there are a lot of good options out there right now.

[@chrisfyfe9212]

The M12 Fuel stuff is pretty wild ! I’ve been on the platform for years , and it still blows me away !

[@jonasbjorner2178]

How can this channel be so small? Great content and the creator has such a nice personality… guess we will see +100k subs within a year.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Well that’s very nice of you. Thanks for the support and glad you enjoy!

[@johnT5]

Agree...this is really well done.

[@damon323]

That’s exactly what I was thinking! Just found the channel the other day looking up M12 tools. By far the best content

[@ShaneTheGeek]

KZbin discovery just put Tinker with Tools Metabo HPT Hammer Drill review on my top of page feed. So, I will assume that you're right about his channel getting a ton of new subscribers. I just subscribed and liked.

[@Observer2225]

Same thoughts, agree 👌 in all, am a follower from Europe 🫡

[@MyExpectationsAreLow]

Just purchased the Milwaukee yesterday, waiting for it like I was waiting for Christmas when I was a child. 😅

[@nsatoday]

I like both brands but for these specifics xtreme vs M-12, I like the weight and grip of the dewalt hands down.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yeah I get that the M12 grip isn’t for everyone. The weight is just about the same.

[@J.Wick.]

Same. DW12 where possible for me. M12 Ratchet, and Surge are unbeatable though..

[@pflaffik]

Yes M12 grip is almost as bad as Ryobi. Ok for very occasional use but a huge problem for long jobs. If i had 300 deckscrews waiting to be screwed in and i only had an M12 i would go and buy a Makita to save my hand the pain.

[@J.Wick.]

@@pflaffik Same, except Metabo HPT.

[@ZeGermanHam]

@@pflaffik I doubt most people would consider using a 12v tool of any brand for building a deck in the first place. While you could technically do it, people tend to buy 12v drills for their small size and portability, which is not a major factor when building decks. I use 12v drills for automotive and cabinetry where tool size is more of a consideration, and I chose the Gen-3 Milwaukee because it is significantly smaller than the DeWalt. While I agree that the DeWalt grip is more ergonomic, I've never actually found the M12 grip uncomfortable during real-world use.

[@markreagan2956]

I used to be all ridgid, i just got the Milwaukee 2967-22 kit and I love it. I think I'm staying all red now.

[@TinkerWithTools]

That's how I used to be.

[@chrisfyfe9212]

I just bought one ( thanks for the recommendation ) ! The size great ! I tend to use the 3 Ah in this little guy ! I really like it so far ! Very compact !

[@TinkerWithTools]

Glad you are enjoying it.

[@chrisfyfe9212]

@@TinkerWithTools It’s supplanted the Installation drlll/ Driver ,I was Schlepping around in my Veto bag . Good in tight spots , light and compact , only minor thing , just a tad bit more noise ! No biggie mostly , that’s why God made the M12 Surge !

[@chrisfyfe9212]

@@TinkerWithTools Hell , I even made it a holster to ride on my Veto bag ! That makes it a keeper !

[@markk3948]

Try the new 2.5 ah ho battery very good power more than the 3.0ah xc

[@chrisfyfe9212]

@@markk3948 good idea , gotta go back to Battery school ! I want to take full advantage of the compact footprint , and best possible battery options !

[@pocpucpablopuruncajas4211]

if posible compare both with Ridgid subcompact hammer drill

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have the sub-compact drill driver but not the hammer drill. So I could test in all things but not in concrete currently.

[@pocpucpablopuruncajas4211]

@@TinkerWithTools i working with Milwaukee gen 2 hammer drill but no have to much poder in concrete but my friendo have the subcompact Ridgid and is powerfull, nobody test yet the Ridgid subcompact Hammerdrill

[@TinkerWithTools]

It’s typically not carried in the kit so that’s why I haven’t picked it up.

[@procrastinator1842]

Milwaukee is dragging their feet with the release of the new gen 3 m12 stuff here in Australia...so your videos inspired me to import some from the USA 😎

[@TinkerWithTools]

The impact is a small improvement. The drill is fabulous especially if you already like M12

[@procrastinator1842]

@@TinkerWithTools I'll stick with the Gen 2 impact for now as it's been great. But I can't wait to ditch the Gen 2 Drill. I probably should be using M18 bit I really like the smaller platform...so this new gen 3 drill will do the trick perfectly 😉

[@yousefalmarhoon8789]

@@TinkerWithTools i guess it is stronger as (drill only) but did you try the previous gen m12 with the new one in concrete, masonry drilling?

[@TinkerWithTools]

@@yousefalmarhoon8789 I have not yet. They decreased the specs in that area so I venture a guess that it might decrease the performance in that area.

[@DiligentDave1966]

I don’t understand why you don’t have more subscribers. Always good content on your channel.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks! I appreciate the support.

[@g8beast679]

I started off the tool collection because of the m12 pact driver couple of years ago. Did not like their gen 2 drill. Tried the dewlt xtreme drill and a year later all my tools are dewlt xtreme. Except the m12 Gen impact driver and brushed 3/8 ratchet. I love it. Dewalt ergonomics and second to none. For me, power and speed is not everything. Precision is. If I need power, then there is m18 or 20v platforms. I am very satisfied with xtreme lineup so far.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Good insight. I wasn’t that impressed with the Gen 2 by any means but the Gen 3 is a big step forward in my opinion. That doesn’t mean the DEWALT you have is bad. As long as you are happy with it, then it’s the drill for you.

[@javierortega8024]

Super!!! Por el momento me quedo con Milwaukee

[@GregBrecker]

I think to do the larger / longer screws and drill bits is interesting, but not really the focus of this platform. The comfort and speed of smaller screws and drill bits seems what they were designed for and their best use scenario.

[@TinkerWithTools]

The reason for those larger fasteners is mainly to show what is possible but also attempt to show the difference in power of these tools. It’s something that’s easy to feel when in use but difficult to show when driving a 2” screw on camera.

[@Martinruizthemerchant]

Love the video I just got into the 12v line I love Dewalt screwdriver so far one of my favorites

[@TinkerWithTools]

Sadly I gave my Dewalt Screwdriver to someone else. I did love it, but I figured I had some redundancy with the Dewalt 5 in 1. They needed it more than I did at the moment.

[@gigilaco]

Used to be a DeWalt guy but I’m tired of them shitting the bed. They came out with an amazing 1/2 impact high torque recently that I’d love to buy but what’s the point if every other tool is subpar.

[@TinkerWithTools]

They have had some good products recently (DCD800, DCF891 to name a few) but I agree that not every product is a win.

[@loucifer4205]

And the Chinese owned Milwaukee better its garbage

[@migraineur]

I have the 2nd gen Milwaukee and that Dewalt , happy with both , love the compact size . Thanks

[@TinkerWithTools]

Glad you liked it.

[@DiligentDave1966]

The heat issue seems to be the result of putting too much power in a small body. The more compact tools get, the balance of power to size is more of an issue. I’ve heard of Milwaukee M18, Flex, and even some Dewalt tools getting pretty hot when pushed hard.

[@TinkerWithTools]

They do get hot but I have yet to have it negatively affect performance except on one DEWALT Impact that leaked oil pretty badly.

[@DiligentDave1966]

@@TinkerWithTools Workshop Addict had that happen with a Ridgid impact driver. It just goes to show that it can happen with any tool. I’ve just heard of M12 tools going into thermal shutdown more than some other brands. That could be a good thing, because I’ve heard of some Dewalt tools breaking because they didn’t shut down.

[@taylorshin]

For some strange reason, I now have the Milwaukee M12. Although not having used it to anything serious yet... just a few trigger tests, I can agree every single aspect in this video. The M12 feels more like 20V (or 18V) tool replacement rather than a 12V compact tool. Maybe I'm too spoiled with DeWALT 12V grips. But the trigger response hits the nail that this isn't really perfect for any delicate application. Yes, I assemble a PC with DeWALT 12Vs! But then again, comparing to any 20V drill, size advantage and being 1/2" metal chuck, this drill can replace any mid-tier (or sub-professional grade) drill easily. Especially the fact that those low-cost options usually come with cheaper, and larger motor, resulting a big chunk of a drill with sub-par performance. This 12V is not just a low tier sub drill for non-professionals but a main thing that can handle 'EVERYTHING' they need a drill.

[@TinkerWithTools]

The DEWALT grip is more naturally ergonomic for sure. But I have found that since I started using the Milwaukee Installation drill driver I adjusted my drip for that and now use the same grip on a lot of the m12 tools.

[@taylorshin]

@@TinkerWithTools That makes sense. And I just finished my coffee stain test with the M12. Other than a bit of warm motor, which may not be the case with my intended usage, it will take up 20V's position in many situations for me. Wow... Now who needs 20V for a homeowner DIYers... Strangely enough, I got it quite cheap, not buying the full kit with 4Ah + Impact. Just the drill and 2Ah battery + 12V charger. Half price of the whole kit. From a local tool vendor. With this price, who would ever need any DIY grade kits... 🤔

[@ericnichols9275]

Are you going to test the new SKILL 12and 20 Volt TOOLS

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have thought about getting them but just haven’t made room in the budget yet.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Probably would go more for the 12v tools first.

[@DiligentDave1966]

This video pretty much sold me on the gen 3 M12 set.

[@meenam300zx]

I had both Dewalt and M12 3rd generation which I got as a gift and after trying the M12, it's no comparison, I sold my Dewalt.

[@HnrPram]

Thank you for sharing and the tests... 🙏🏼😁

[@TinkerWithTools]

You’re welcome!

[@timothystevenhoward]

how about the brand new Skil 12V compact drill? Is it any good? grip, chuck, speed, temperature?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have it just haven’t done a video of it. Not a fan of the Chuck. It’s non ratcheting but does off a 1/4” hex magnetic receiver inside the Chuck. So they call it combination. It’s not bad but I prefer a traditional ratcheting Chuck. It’s not the smallest drill ever taking away some of the benefit of the 12v size but it’s not a bad drill. I would still take either of these over it but for the price it’s pretty good.

[@timothystevenhoward]

@Tinker With Tools that's what I was wondering if the size was Worth it. Honestly I steered away from dewalt 12v and use the dcf850 for majority of light duty work

[@J.Wick.]

That new M12 is very strong. But I'm loving the DeWalt 12V line. Cheaper, near the same strength, far more comfortable.

[@pflaffik]

They seem equal in power but the dewalt is geared higher in 2nd gear.

[@J.Wick.]

@@pflaffik cool

[@TinkerWithTools]

The M12 has more torque. On smaller fasteners the DEWALT can beat it. If that’s what you use the tool for it will work fine but if you are doing any of the spade bits the M12 really shines there.

[@kaleoariola]

Been pro Dewalt for a while now but recently got into milwaukee. I love my m12 surge and use it most of the time over my 9 year old dcf886. While my 886 is faster, it is only by a small bit and larger and heavier than the surge. I wouldn't mind the m12 hammer drill because yes the Dewalt electronic clutch is my least favorite feature of Dewalt drills and I wouldn't mind the smaller weight and size over my dcd795. Great video. Looking forward to what these companies come out with in the future, hopefully Dewalt with fix the clutches on their drills.

[@kpakaify]

Surge is very good. Wish for gen2)

[@markk3948]

Yeah surge is alot quieter but has less power then the regular fuel

[@Laubz]

Curious to know if running everything in speed two had more of an effect on the heat generated. More magnet friction at higher speeds

[@TinkerWithTools]

I would have to do further testing to tell you.

[@Observer2225]

Some comparison of models from Dewalt and Milwaukee between US and EU market: - Dewalt in the US has 20V in EU 18V (yes are the same), in the US the torque(?) reading is UWO for the drills but in EU is given in Nm* ( which is easily convertible to Lbs-in/Lbs-ft) * it is always indicated in dewalt European website to every tool specs. As an example the dcd706 sold in EU has a torque indication of 57,5 Nm (= 509 Lbs-in) and has a metal chuck For Dewalt the model names are the same in the US and Europe* to one very recent single exeption: the latest dewalt dcd799 has here in Europe another name: dcd100Y (=Dewalt 100 years celebration) and is rated 68 Nm (602 lbs-in or 50 fbs-ft) * the dewalt tools sold in Europe, specially when it's the complete kit, the tstak is included within. - Unlike Dewalt, Milwaukee has all its models names different in the US and Europe, the 3404 is in EU under the name M12 FPD2 and if comes within a kit it is called M12 FDP2-602X (means with 2× 6Ah + Charger + carrying case) Examples: the 2555 is M12 FIWF12 (IW = Impact wrench, 12 = 1/2 Anvil) The 2962 sold in EU is under the following name: M18 FMTIW2F12 Why dewalt in the US are 20 V and in Europe 18V ? and we know that is in reality the same voltage ! Why Milwaukee for abolute identical models they have different names in different geographic area? Marketing reasons, geographically-dependant strategies?! For both brands: they are more expensive in EU than in the US! I have the dcd706 with a metalic chuck, didn't have the possibility to compare it to the milwaukee M12 But I have a reference point for comparison, I have at home its bigger brother the 999 and the 706 proved to be very powerful for its small size. I've got a chance to compare the 12V IWs of both of these two big brands: the dcf901 and the European 2555. They are both, despite their very compact size, excellent: I've loosen my car's lug nuts (22mm) tightened at 165 Nm (1460 Lbs-in/122 ft-lbs) within 3-4 seconds, without too much and annoying lengthy impacting: the 2555 is slightly faster but not worth considering, so I decided to keep the 901, it is cheaper and I have dewalt batteries, it doesn't take too much space to carry it all time in the car unlike the highly capable mid-torque dcf891 that I have at home that I mostly use the summer-winter tire change and to fasten to a high torque big bolts in projet am planing

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks for sharing. As to why they tout 20v vs 18v, I think it all comes down to marketing and what is allowed in different markets. As for the Milwaukee models, I know that in the past, while tools were fairly similar there were subtle differences between them. One example was that using European model numbers to source a replacement chuck on an M18 drill, ended up with an incompatability because the models used different size threading for the chuck. No clue why, but I am guessing that sort of thing is the reason for the model number difference.

[@achrisofalltrades5620]

Iv had the gen2 for years since it was first available I loved it. I just got the gen 3 and it's even better. The only thing I don't like is the handle. Don't get me wrong, you do get accustomed to it. But going from the Milwaukee to the DeWalt the dewalts handle is soon my h more comfortable

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have learned to live with the handle, and actually, after using the installation drill driver, I find myself gripping it higher and just using my middle finger on the trigger. Takes away most of the ergonomics issues in my opinion. But at the end of the day you are right, the form factor of the dewalt battery just yields a better handle all around.

[@joshuaserbin1964]

Great video. I have the Gen 3 m18 kit & m12 screw driver and gen2 impact driver & m12 1/2 stubby . Really looking to pick up the new hammer drill to fill that empty spot. Just not a lot of things I feel the need for the m18. M12 line is just awesome. Super compact & it brings the beans!

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yeah, for most of what I do they are enough. I only find when I am doing a task over and over do I start to lean toward grabbing an M18 just for the extra power and speed.

[@markk3948]

M12 is definitely an awesome line up. I'd Stat away from the 3 inch cut off tool tho it sucks. Battery drops quick and once it drops to 2 bars it cuts out

[@me7229]

There is a 5amp hour battery for Milwaukee now. I understand you probably don't have it because it is new but they do have one.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yes. I’ve been waiting to buy it until it’s available in stores near me.

[@stevenchen56]

It actually produces more power than the 6.0 battery😂

[@andrewnygren7131]

Does anyone think that the all metal chuck is a better grip though? The whole tool is plastic so I’m confused why people complain that DeWalt has a plastic over mold on the chuck. The paint wears off instantly on the metal and makes the tool look old and beat if that matters to you. On a good note: great comparison!

[@TinkerWithTools]

First, thank you! On the matter of the chuck, for me it comes down to the long term durability. You are right that the paint on the metal might scratch, but during the test of a recent Makita drill with a plastic outer chuck, in normal operation it received a decent size gouge from rubbing against something while drilling. Another instance I had the plastic break from an accidental drop. Those things are less likely to happen with an all metal chuck. Just personal preference I guess though.

[@wagushi3]

I have the dewalt one, and there is one thing that annoys me completely!! And I am looking for another 12v tool to replace it just for that! Its the stopping. The dewalt drill does not stop immediately after you release the trigger, it does a 1/4 spin or so after you realease the trigger and it just makes me crazy. Feels like the old Ni/Cd tools that did not have electronic stop when you release the trigger and they would just go on untill physics made them stop.. What is your take on that issue?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I hadn’t noticed it but I’ll have to pay closer attention to that.

[@TinkerWithTools]

You are right it does stop slower than the Milwaukee. It’s a small difference but I can see how it would be annoying.

[@fabbro9999]

Love my M12 Surge, and the G3 M12 drill looks great, but Dewalt ergonomics are always superior and the performance is comparable--for real-world use, where differences of a second or two don't matter (unless those difs do matter at your job). If Dewallt had an 12v oil-impulse driver I would have way less M12 stuff, as Dewalt has a 12v equivalent for a lot of the core M12 tools, and some of the Xtreme tools are just better (circ saw, for example). Full disclosure: I have cordless and corded tools from all the major brands here in the US, but HPT and Deaalt are my main 20v and M12 and Bosch are my main 12v platforms. Every company makes good stuff. Anyway, nice video.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I agree with you. I don’t mind the ergonomics of the M12 but the DEWALT is better in that regard.

[@John-gw3kd]

You should try this again with the Milwaukee 5.0 high output. There's a definite increase in power of the 5amp over the 6.

[@DiligentDave1966]

I hope you compare the impact drivers also.

[@TinkerWithTools]

It should be coming at some point.

[@contax50mm]

Do the High output 5.0 on the m12 and test again. Curious how that plays.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have a separate videos showcasing the different M12 batteries and how they perform on different tools if you are interested.

[@INTERLAGOS54]

I dont really care which tool won cause I usually drill larger holes in speed 1 anyway. I dont want the kickback if it binds and I probably want to be more precise with the hole. When it comes to driving screws its impact all the way.

[@Dirtyharry70585]

Comes down to batteries, which brand you have. In my case both😵‍💫

[@TheChico868]

How good does the m12 work on Concrete.?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I haven’t tested it but I know @mancavertools did in his showdown

[@TheChico868]

@@TinkerWithTools thanks

[@jj252-89]

When I first grabbed it, it's compact and light compared to 18v, but it's hard to adapt to the grip because I use it often. Now I bought a Makita 18v 173 impact. The grip is good for Asians.

[@alexandrumardare828]

The Milwaukee gen 2 was not enjoyable because of the poor control of the speed, I couldn’t drive delicate short screws because of the fast accelerating and not so controllable speed. How does the gen 3 compare to gen 2, is it better? I don’t buy tools only because they are powerful.

[@TinkerWithTools]

They went back to a mechanical clutch and in my opinion improved the trigger considerably on a Gen 3. I still might turn to something like the installation drill driver for precision work but it is a noticeable improvement.

[@alexandrumardare828]

@@TinkerWithToolsI use it in automotive repair, screws from the interior were always too delicate for the gen 2, the clutch will help a lot with that. Do you have any recommendations for mechanics?

[@TinkerWithTools]

For more precision work, I have always like the 12v screwdrivers. They have a clutch like a drill, but a chuck like an impact. So bit insertion and removal is nice. They are often lower powered (not anemic but just not driving lags) which when combined with the clutch makes them nice for smaller work. Milwaukee has a fuel and non fuel version. I have non-fuel and it's great for stuff like Ikea furniture to speed up assembly but not overdrive fasteners. Dewalt makes a great one on their 12v line and it's brushless and a bit newer.

[@israelvega3878]

I got both brands Milwaukee and dewalt .every brand has there good and bad . These two are two top brands .just buy what ever u want .

[@zulfiazhari5412]

Damn, m12 just obliterated the dewalt

[@edwardmorris2231]

That M12 is a little beast

[@davepeeters6518]

The link does not show this tool - can you post the correct one?

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks for catching that. Those should be fixed now.

[@markk3948]

Should use the 5ah ho battery in the milwaukee

[@konadayz426]

$77 tool only from Lowe's got 3. 1 for me, 1 for dad he uses Dewalt 12v and 1 for my brother in law he also loves Dewalt 12v. Christmas gifts for the 2 of them. Never too early

[@TinkerWithTools]

That's a great price for it! Hard to pass that up!

[@search_eternal]

Cool test. But how come no hammer drill test into concrete?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I work in a small basement shop and often film at night after kids have gone to bed. I don't always have the luxury to do concrete testing. I have done it for other videos but depending on when I have to film, I can't always get it done in time for the video.

[@tiszargreen7795]

I see hand print on the glass in the bac someone's been getting busy 😅

[@OUTILSCLIPSQC]

The milwaukee need a side handle and autostop would have been very very nice !!

[@pflaffik]

A side handle kinda goes against what a compact drill is for.

[@h8GW]

@Ploffy Kha But side handles are removable, so you have a choice to use it as you see fit.

[@rnuovz71]

I was a Dewalt guy threw and threw, except for the m12 line up is crushing every other brand out there. My 12v dewalt drill feels like a cheap Chinese tool compared to the gen 3 Milwaukee 12v fuel I just got. It beats the dewalt I have in every way. I’ve currently have every dewalt tool I own up for sale except for my 12v impact wrench, now that thing crushes every 12v and some 18v impact wrenches.

[@TinkerWithTools]

The M12 is king of the mountain until someone throws something else up there.

[@rnuovz71]

True, but it’s very hard to deny that it’s go to be a long climb for any company to catch up to what Milwaukee had done with m12 line up.they did an amazing job and bring trade focused tools to market, that actually performed well. Also it’s hard to stay a dedicated Dewalt fan boy when they do not support their tools or products like other companies do.

[@jasonvandervalk3679]

I really want to try both but I can't decide because both are great tools! I like any tool if it does the job. I like your honest opinion! I this its said a hard days work is an awenest day work

[@markk3948]

Milwaukee is definitely the better choice just on the warranty alone

[@israelvega3878]

Just go with yellow or red these two brands are the best . I have both brands Milwaukee impact and dewalt cutting saws love them both

[@saulornelascano2272]

They are hammer drills, where are the concrete tests??? Good video.

[@TinkerWithTools]

More concrete testing in the future but it hasn't been a focus so far on the channel just because it's something I don't have as much experience in.

[@yrrek1983]

Milwaukee more torque Dewalt smother well said

[@loktom4068]

Too many channels shows off on long screws drilling. How about being different by cutting holes with 2 3/4 "- 3 " holesaw to wood and metal materials equivalent to real door for lock installation. Most drills struggle to such task. I hate to say it sometimes you have to make do with whatever you have at the site. It's to show pro line vs amateur toy line of tools.

[@TinkerWithTools]

It’s a fair point. What would you consider to be the top 5 real world tests?

[@loktom4068]

Drilling through variety of thickness ferric, aluminum, brass, & SS metal and concrete are some of the tough challenge most people from DIY to pros will encounter whether they like it or not. Drilling a hole of 1/4" - 5/8" of an inch in concrete to a depth of minimum 2"-6 " for entry level hammer drills should be considered as the standard duty test for light duty entry level to medium level hammer drills. Large holesaw cutting holes through high quality hard wood and metal doors are a must for the tool to prove its worthiness in the real world scenario for pros and sometimes more advanced DIY home owners. Because once you are out there, there's no if or but or can't. It's what you got and it is what it is.

[@wemcal]

Great video

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks!

[@Notyourgrandad1900s]

The M12 ergonomics are a deal breaker. M18 is better. Why no concrete drilling for this hammer drill showdown?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have been doing more concrete drilling in more recent videos but it wasn’t something that I included in older videos just because of the noise and dust in a small space. When I revisit 12v tools in the future I’ll be sure to include it.

[@OUTILSCLIPSQC]

I drill daredevil spade bit from bosch 1 1/2 and the m12 take it on speed 2 on 2x this is insane

[@drscopeify]

The M12 drill when using a mixing tool for cement really bogs down HARD and it has a strange slow delayed start up when you give it full speed..... I don't own any other drills at the moment so very annoyed. If you need to mix cement the M12 is not the tool. I was actually using a cheap Ryobi but I gave it to a friend who was moving house so I bought the M12 but very disappointed. Maybe Ill get a newer Ryobi to replace the M12.

[@TinkerWithTools]

The M12 is a really powerful drill for it's size but I don't think that size and power level of drill was ever intended to mix cement. If you are on a budget and want good power to value ratio, i would look at either the Kobalt next gen or the Flex Brushless Drill. Both still aren't designed for that, but I think they would both fair better than the Ryobi for the price.

[@bimini99]

There was no hammer drill test ??? No concrete drilling in the test

[@frankcherry3810]

Thats the part i was looking for. Concrete drilling

[@LuxianneElie-fi7km]

Merry Christmas

[@TinkerWithTools]

Merry Christmas to you too!

[@ManCaverTools]

great video bro

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks man!

[@johngallati8164]

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MILWAUKEES FIRST EVER SET OF BATTERY STUFF BROUGHT BACK WITH THE NEW BATTERIES OF TODAY...IM TALKING ABOUT THE ONES IN THE EIGHTIES...I BET THEY WOULD BE BEASTS.JUST A THOUGHT.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I would have no clue how to even start acquiring those tools but we will put it on the list and see if it would be possible.

[@johngallati8164]

@@TinkerWithTools IT WOULD BE REALLY cool...MY CUZZIN BOUGHT THEM IN THE LATE 80"S THE TOOLS SEEMED REALLY REALLY GOOD..BUT THE BATTERIES WERE TERRIBLE.

[@JeffDM]

I'm not bothered by the motor heat as long as the tool can take it. Being brushless it's probably not a big deal and you're doing torture tests. The big bits I'd run it in low gear anyway so I don't ruin the bits. I wouldn't go with DeWalt for 12V just because of the lack of form factor choices. I can usually do without the rectangular base of the bigger M12 battery, there's no choice with DeWalt. It's more like an 18-20V drill. IMO better off getting a compact 20V DeWalt with the pouch cell pack.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Well said. The common use likely won’t heat it up that much. The DCD800 from DEWALT is almost as small as their 12v but significantly more powerful!

[@Saladon89]

Dewalt grip is a lot comfortable but milwaukee made its grip wide to fit a compact battery pack and remain compact

[@TinkerWithTools]

DEWALT has a great grip. I keep hoping we will see gen 2 of the DEWALT 12v extreme stuff.

[@TacticalThib]

Title should have said DeWalt loses lol 😂 no but I'd like to see if the 5.0 HO will fair again vs the DeWalt with both having 5ah batteries now

[@RomanDzhanov]

Great content👌🏻

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks!

[@shaun4298]

I was excited for the new M12 stuff but then sold it a week later and went back to my Dewalt Xtreme.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Any particular reason or just not a good fit?

[@TinkerWithTools]

And I am not saying it’s bad that you did just curious and I think every opinion matters and helps others make decisions.

[@markk3948]

​@Tinker With Tools I'd say he's a dewalt fan boy and never bought the milwaukee at all lol

[@txvet7738]

If you did this test with the M12 HO 5ah battery, the M12 drills numbers would have been even better! 12v tools are just awesome! Great video man.

[@danakibby627]

The dealt looks like a 18volt with 12volt battery

[@harlanborders943]

With the m12 running so hot makes me feel like they are not going to last. All of the new drills and impact drivers are running hotter than the old ones and with their other mess with the impact Milwaukee . Staying clear of the new stuff .

[@glenarseneau4796]

He’s running a test that you will not use a 12 volt tool for

[@TinkerWithTools]

While you are right it does run hotter i think this testing brings the test up more than what you will see with standard use.

[@TinkerWithTools]

While you are right that you won’t use these drills for these tasks commonly the point of the test is to push them to the point where you can see what the limits are.

[@jhonimastersipayung5118]

So what is your purpose to test out of 12V if the temperature can't count as a Point? You show that M12 can do it faster and stronger but temp is high, means there is more risk to do it with this M12. In other side, the Dewalt is slower because the drill limit on the torque at 2ns speed or DNF. But it show that the protection is better. At the end, more easy to get hot means shorter durability. No limiter is destroy itself.

[@TinkerWithTools]

@@jhonimastersipayung5118 I give you that information so you can factor it in to your decision. To some it won’t as much, while for others it might be a deal breaker.

[@TheChico868]

Team Red represent. Milwaukee put alot of torque into this drill they said so.

[@TinkerWithTools]

The M12 is a great drill.

[@jackofalltrades123]

I feel milwaukees drill will slow down alot before it actually cuts off while dewalts drills slow down a tad and shutoff. I don't think it has anything to do with power as much as the design in the electronics.. I could be wrong though

[@TinkerWithTools]

Could be.

[@markk3948]

Yeah id say your wrong on that one. I've seen alot of dewalt tools run way hotter than milwaukees and the molwaukees spanks the dewalt

[@jackofalltrades123]

@markk3948 yeaaa I'd say you didn't read my comment correctly their jack but I'd expect that type of response from a milwaukee tard

[@ckone671]

Nice vid!

[@migueldelgado9485]

Milwaukee is my favorite

[@innarlilleorg6919]

Speed! Speed! Always the speed.... More speed is not good always. We are using Milwaukee tooks in house factory. Less than a year and throw away. Just dont understand this- best tool! Faster drill ever! Power tool must serve you many years.

[@bryang9158]

u kindeof smoked that 1/2 in bit with the first one 🤷

[@CJ30123]

Ive noticed Milwaukee is consistently higher temp over Dewalt tools. Seems they push their tools more, which wins these kinds of tests. But longevity almost surely takes a hit for peak performance.

[@TinkerWithTools]

You are correct that they push it higher. I think in normal use you may not see it as much. But heat is the enemy of all electronics so it’s a trade off for sure.

[@TacticalThib]

Okay they said the same thing about the gen 3 and I've had it for years Milwaukee fuel push there motors to the limit without sacrificing reliability. And not all DeWalts run cool for instance the 840 887 they get so hot 🔥 I've actually seen the 887 catch fire on multiple occasions so not much of an argument with reliability. And let's be honest who is gonna be running big bits with a 12v your gonna grab your compact 20v tools for those applications. No bias I own both and each has it's place but longevity is something I'm never concerned with with either brand along with mikita matabo hpt bosh flex....

[@markk3948]

Yeah not really hot tho. The milwaukee fuel tool talks to the battery and vice-versa to protect both the batteries and tool. It's warmer because of the power. I have a brush set of the m18s from 2008 and they all still work even the batteries. I've used these almost every day in the work week until 2019.

[@Lee-lb9qh]

​@@TacticalThib🤣 you've seen the DeWALT catch on fire on multiple occasions? I call BS, don't gotta lie bro😂🤥🔥

[@Lee-lb9qh]

​@@TacticalThibcatch on fire, o man good one 😂😂😂

[@TranTek]

Try the NEW M12 5Ah

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have the 2.5 ah high output and so far I haven’t been blown away compared to the 2. So I have been waiting until it’s available locally to get one.

[@stevenchen56]

People need to remember that the 5.0 ho is actually the most powerful battery they sell, this would be more unfair with the 5.0 ho.

[@TinkerWithTools]

You are correct. when this video was made though the 5.0 HO hadn't been released yet so it was more an effort to give as close a comparison as I could at that time.

[@R4PTOR6]

And thats not the high output battery.

[@Mrgui110tine]

those are drills... with a bs hammer option

[@Mrgui110tine]

i had to comment before some poor soul bought one to drill into concrete thinking it would work. I never did that...............

[@markk3948]

​@Mitch b lol yeah the sds are the way to go if you want to drill concrete it's like butter

[@eljiricolumanse]

I like your tools but i have no money 2 buy...😢😢😢

[@TinkerWithTools]

I am working out the details on a giveaway that I hope to announce soon. keep an eye out for it and maybe that can help

[@chrisgeoss2543]

What I don't like is that milwaukee has just gone down hill with there quality. The voltage to me isn't important as i feel that for certain applications you need a smaller tool. But one time milwaukee ruled the world. I would never buy one now due there quality control

[@TinkerWithTools]

Understandable. Past experiences certainly influence future purchases

[@glenarseneau4796]

Milwaukee still rules the world, as a plumber who works with all the trades Milwaukee is by far the tool I see the most

[@ZeGermanHam]

To my knowledge, Milwaukee has had one recent blunder with an internal redesign of their high-torque impact wrench, for which they promptly issued a stop-sale mandate and are now continuing to manufacture the previous (reliable) design. Do you know of other Milwaukee QC issues beyond that one example? If not, I wouldn't say that Milwaukee tools as a whole are doing downhill - just one tool, that they are dealing with.

[@TinkerWithTools]

@@ZeGermanHam they had issues with the prior Gen triggers and the collet on the Gen 3 impact collet. Overall I think everyone’s quality has come down simply due to rising manufacturing and supply costs while trying to maintain a price point but I don’t think Milwaukee is worse off than other companies. But if you had issues with these tools and then it can sour your opinion rather quickly.

[@ZeGermanHam]

@@TinkerWithTools Fair assessment. Personally, I own the previous gen impact driver and have never experienced the collet issue or any trigger issues that some others have. Doesn't mean they weren't real issues, just never affected me for some reason. TBH, I've had more QC issues with my DeWalt tools than my Milwaukee tools, but I'm just one data point.

[@loucifer4205]

Gen 3 vs gen 2

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have a previous video showing a Gen 2 vs Gen 2 if you are more interested in that. At the present time though these are the top 12v Hammer Drills from each respective brand, regardless of their respective generations.

[@AutodidactEngineer]

I'd rather my drill not burn up than be faster!

[@Muv-Luv]

A little bit pointless test. Such drills are good to make a delicate jobs. To force 'em to deal with such big bolts is strange, you will not fill the pleasure by working with the drill on the edge of their possibilities. And during that you didn't make the accuracy test. For your tests with the same or equal budget DW DCD771 would be MUCH better. I heard thar in the US is natural to have many instruments to make every type of jobs maximally better, but you're demonstrated how god these drills if you can have only one tool for all over objectives.

[@MrCaribe65]

Subscribed.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks. Hope you enjoy it!

[@terrellscaife2411]

Cool

[@DeadDollar1]

If you dont like the video hit the thumbs down twice!

[@bahadryldz2346]

Evet milwaukee %28 daha hızlı ama %25 daha fazla ısınıyor

[@TinkerWithTools]

25% hotter is only an issue if it causes the tool to not hold up.

[@pocpucpablopuruncajas4211]

and tested in concrete

[@glenarseneau4796]

The m12 is far superior to the dewalt , I have both and you just can’t beat the m12

[@loucifer4205]

yeah gen 3 vs gen 2 sounds fair