Tips and Techniques for Learning Ancient Languages on Your Own w/

[@mattgerlach744]

Since I was a teenager I have mentally divided the world into subjects I can discuss with my mother, and subjects which I cannot. My interest in ancient languages has always been on one side of that divide, and my interest in occultism on the other. So when these two show up in a video together there's a deep part of my psyche that responds, "Wait, you two aren't allowed to know each other!!!" But that just makes watching you two talk even cooler.

[@EchoLog]

I deeply relate to the sentiments you expressed here. Kinda touched some part of the human condition i think. 6 eclectic interest points out of 6. Nice comment.

[@stevenwilliams1805]

@@EchoLog even I, whom I suspect, isn't nearly as educated as you two find this extremally relatable.

[@candaniel]

Very relatable :D

[@stevenv6463]

The collaboration we didn't know we needed

[@oswaldocaminos8431]

​@zerocool4159👏👏🤝

[@iberius9937]

My God! How did I miss this podcast from two great content creators??!!!

[@enocdaninja8649]

Two of my favorite scholars in one video! Great collaboration! 👏👏 looking forward to more videos like this

[@J_Z913]

Amazing discussion! Thanks to you both.

[@ethanstiles948]

Great conversation, always love some language learning inspiration!

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Definitely inspired me to take Luke's advice and incorporate more inputs into my language practice!

[@polyphoniac]

I have an old 19th-century grammar of Ojibwe/Chippewa that was written by a Slovenian Jesuit bishop and missionary. It is fascinating for the way it shoehorns an agglutinative language into Latin grammatical categories.

[@OzkAltBldgCo-bv8tt]

But have you played Latin on Clozemaster application?

[@kentuckyburbon1777]

Thats cool 😎

[@Paddy_Nithuigim]

BTW, excellent job! I studied 3 dialects of Anc Greek and Latin. Learned, rather, to takes tests. Couldn't speak a word today - but I want to. Great episode!!

[@KipIngram]

Ok, this has excited me, and I have ordered that book - it comes tomorrow an I'm looking very forward to it. Thank you for hosting this guest; this was a great video.

[@Davlavi]

Love the team up.

[@Refael8219]

I'm rewatching this video to keep on going with my Greek and my Hebrew. Thank you so much!

[@MrBeiragua]

I really have an interest on studying latin again, and to know that a lot of texts need to be translated feels like a call!

[@janusroland]

I can't believe I'm only just now seeing this. I wish I had seen it live. Amazing!

[@missadventuresmotorcycledi2773]

My daughter studied Sanskrit from the age of 5 getting an honour GCSE at 14, she also studied plus Latin and Ancient Greek in school, she absolutely loves these languages. It's a pity most schools don't give children such options.

[@kingbolo4579]

That's absolutely fantastic! If it was a GCSE you must be from the UK. Was it a state school that was able to offer your daughter these languages?

[@missadventuresmotorcycledi2773]

@@kingbolo4579 no we live in Ireland but you can sit the GCSE in Sanskrit here by arrangement. There is no equivalent Irish exam so I think that's why it was arranged. She attended a private school.

[@weepinghomonculus4887]

Whoa this is quite a crossover!

[@rssreader7352]

At University with both my Latin and Greek classes for the comprehension questions we just translated the text. The basic comprehension questions always seemed strange to me - having translated it, the answers to the questions were real obvious. Later, I got my hands on an Athenaze Teacher's Handbook and read that you should read it in the language without translating, ie try to think in the language. Now the simple questions make sense. Also, in neither class was correct pronunciation ever dwelt on.

[@Mark-zk7uj]

wow, I love both channels and it is a delight to see them together suddenly! what a treat

[@ramkitty]

Having no latin through schooling i had found reading lingua latina has helped my french german and english comprehension more than anything

[@SobekLOTFC]

Well done, gentlemen 👏

[@LoveLisaRap_7O8]

Didnt even imagine seeing this magnetic duo!! Whao... 😮🔥🎆👌🏼

[@Neoprototype]

Wonderful to see my boy Luke on here.

[@Davemac1116]

Excellent. A good little introduction to Latin, I found, is Peter Jones’ “Learn Latin: The Book of the Daily Telegraph QED Series.” It focuses on the Bayeux tapestry.

[@OzkAltBldgCo-bv8tt]

Clozemaster and Duolingo applications

[@IlleMagister]

Can we get links to Luke's favorite Latin authors? I think he mentioned dialogues written down by Schottennius and Pontanus. I would love to get my hands on those.

[@samtemporary]

Luke is fantastic - he got me into LLPI!!!

[@farhanaditya2647]

YEP! Can't imagine learning it without his videos

[@gabriellawrence6598]

Can't believe I have missed the live meeting of those 2 Chads. Been looking forward for you, Doc, talking more about the language subject.

[@EchoLog]

I was pulled from public schooling in the 6th grade and given a latin tutor from the UK (I'm American) for half a standard university semester. The rest of my homeschooling experience was garbage, (internal family structure crisis and loss of heritage is another topic, however related) but i would say that decision to emphasize applicable wisdom as opposed to government subsidized fact memorization was one of the biggest factors making me the intellectual and creative version of myself I am today. I don't speak latin anymore but it revived my love of language in such a profound way that I basically haven't stopped thinking about thought itself since. Thank you dead languages.

[@hannahberg3251]

Two greats in one place! Thank you. I know I'll enjoy this conversation. (Fingers crossed that it may also give me a hint as to why dead languages are easier and more fun to learn than those pesky living languages-- When will there be a Dowling-Ranieri technique for modern Hebrew!!!?)

[@anglerfish4161]

Thanks for the stream, you two, here's a sacrifice for the algorithmic gods

[@opengnosis8555]

I knew what you meant by "Wa Wa" before you had to explain. I get what you mean by understand a dead language. The negation of tone dialect and accent of every word, makes the word become alive. A "living logos." Resurrecting the language from the lens perspective of everything of when the language was alive. Especially if they conversed in a rhythm, meter, or like "singing" instead of speaking. Like "wawa," said by baby. It is said in a tone that means "I Want," not like, "Hey, that is wet wawa.." Love it! Thank you always. I want to learn the Greek, but from what you guys are saying, I may go Ionic, Latin first.

[@TheWipeout32]

I think there's also too much of an emphasis on "practical" knowledge in education - i.e., knowledge that makes rich people richer. Things that aren't immediately useful to the demands of the market as directed by the private sector technocrats are seen as a waste of time, and I think that's genuinely harmful to knowledge in general but learning language in specific. For instance, I feel in love with Old English and for a while, I was teaching myself Old English. However, everyone around me saw no use in it - "why are you wasting your time doing that? You should spend your time doing something more productive. You'll never use that a job." I eventually stopped studying Old English, because I just didn't have the time, money for grammar books, and everyone was right: I wouldn't use it in a way that could materially improve my life. When I sub, I always hear that from students; I try to get them interested into a topic that's like, esoteric or something, and all I get is: "I'll never use that in my life. It isn't practical." I'm so sick of this emphasis on "practical" knowledge as a key to material improvement when all it does is just make a billionaire richer; I think if we stopped emphasizing "practical" knowledge so damn much we'd end up in a situation where more people would probably study dead languages or things that were interesting, and we might even have a flourishing of culture.

[@farhanaditya2647]

I can't agree more with you. People are so materialistic these days that they forgot why do we learn in the first place.

[@shawnburger250]

Words are power so most important that we know and understand words and their meanings

[@darlebalfoort8705]

nice! I like Luke.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Smart, nice guy !

[@Laocoon283]

Hybrid of comprehensive input and ad hoc grammar is always the best method

[@evanfont913]

Great to see Luke outside the polyglot scene. Worlds colliding in the best way possible haha. In your guys' opinions, what are your thoughts on how to learn both and ancient language and its descendent? Spanish and Latin, Ancient and Modern Greek, Classical and modern dialectal Arabic, etc. Are there any advantages of doing one before the other?

[@OzkAltBldgCo-bv8tt]

Duolingo and Clozemaster application have Latin Clozemaster also has Interlengua which is like Modern Latin.

[@iberius9937]

That "you sound like the Bible" quote from the cab driver was hilarious!

[@vrixphillips]

woot woot, taking intensive latin this summer [with reading for french :O wish me luck lol]

[@snowdroog1]

Unquestionably large language models will revolutionize these studies

[@vusumzingceke6518]

Because I wanted to read the New Testament, I started with Greek. When I got to Latin I realized that they are very similar structurally, as highly inflected languages. Latin is vocabulary is fairly easy since many English words come from it.

[@changer1285]

Connecting the learning in phrases to how children learn language, my first born didn't have a "first word" as much as an eruption of first sentences. Like I could hear multiple words forming in her toddler babble then all of the sudden she was speaking in short phrases

[@rowandoyle7]

Now I have a real inspiration to crack into some of the languages I'm interested in, without having that Duolingo nonsense shoved on me by ads all the time! I bet Latin will help me refresh my French too, then onwards to Gaelige!

[@Nivloc317]

I have started studying Ancient Greek. It is very tough. Luckily one of my patients is a Greek speaker and he has consented to coach me. I found a few KZbin channels that support this study and a few people have suggested that studying modern Greek should be done first, in that it will be acquired a bit easier, then Ancient Greek will come more naturally. When I see him tomorrow I will ask him about those lost infinitives. ;-)

[@farhanaditya2647]

Hello. Have you learned Latin yet? I'm quite in the same shoes as you. I'm not sure whether to learn Ancient Greek or Greek first. But I've learned a little bit of Latin. Also, I've seen numerous people arguing otherwise (learn ancient greek first), so it makes me even more unsure

[@kylezimmerman9690]

Do you have any resources for ancient Assyrian?

[@Davide-dm9tc]

that feeling when you think you have a great variety of interests and you see those mash-up lives only to realise you are just like everyone else in the niche🤠

[@stevenv6463]

I enjoy this new format and great guest

[@allyourbase888]

One Punch Man is a polyglot as well...Wow! 🤯

[@erictyson11]

Did ancient language syntaxes include repeated letters? Like take the word LETTERS. LETRS would still read as LETTERS. Or even if we disemvowel the word, it would be LTRS and phonetically still read the same. Is this because it's inherent in ancient languages or just a coincidence? It makes sense that ancient languages would have conserved space as much as possible seeing as how paper, clay tablets, tree bark etc was of limited supply. So wouldn't the early developers of early language and texts only use the letters necessary to convey the original message? Thnx

[@BesserGlauben]

6:10 Trying that at the moment haha

[@shawnburger250]

Volition second time i ve ever heard somebody say that im my opinion thats one of the most important words we should split people up volition and non-volition!

[@changer1285]

Also, hate to be that guy but there's an ad about every 5 minutes. It seems to be a new feature of watching the "lives" after the stream is over. I don't mean to be a bother, but just in case you didn't realize.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yeah I turned off mid roll ads but they always turn them on by default and sometimes turn them back in when I turn them off - please always let me know so I can turn them off!

[@changer1285]

@@TheEsotericaChannel you got it

[@mtblp7459]

well mishnaic hebrew and modern hebrew is pretty close. Some things off, where modern hebrew is closer to biblical hebrew but a native speaker can understand mishnaic hebrew perfectly most of the times

[@jsladenumuno]

Please write down the names of the German guys writing nice latin in the 1500s; the machine transcript gives "Potanos" and "Plontanos" and "Scotenos." These are ungoogleable terms. I figure Plontanus is the guy's real name, but still come up with bupkis for this name and Scotenus. The nice thing about Latin as a hobby is all the books are out of copyright so you can get 'em printed up in India in leather for $30 or so.

[@samventi8160]

my first year Latin class syllabus had a poem going. along the lines. Latin is a language as dead as dead can be first it killed the Romans and now its killing me

[@ericfrompacoima]

Classical Ch’olti’an Mayan ≠ Ch’orti Mayan

[@shawnburger250]

Shouldnt those things be translated we have been around for a long time is there a shortage of translaters or i bet that is the worlds hardest profession obviously cause we are being manipulated by superior knowledge or should i just say old knowledge