Tips for Messing with Car Salesmen

[@vegasxventures]

The reason people act like this is because vehicle sales are the one place that pretty much everyone you deal with is trying to get you to pay as much as possible: the highest amount on the car, lowest on your trade, highest on finance and most margin on warranty and useless other products. Beyond that, hard sales tactics with high pressure. Sure, dealerships do need to make a profit and salesman need to eat too... but greed makes the experience horrible for most people. In your example, I don't get to negotiate my bigmac.. but my big mac costs the same at every McDonald's across my city.

[@switchcars]

Don't go to an airport McDonalds, or try to buy a water at a ball game.

[@vegasxventures]

@ it is well documented that 25 cent Kirkland water bottles are a threat to national security… $8 Dasani water bottles are just supply and demand.

[@jensgronning4436]

It’s possible for a dealership to be upfront about their price, without all the BS. Although over the 30 years I’ve been buying cars it’s only happened twice.

[@vegasxventures]

@@switchcars It’s well documented that 25 cent Costco water bottles are a threat to national security where as $5 bottles of Dasani are just supply and demand.

[@switchcars]

@@vegasxventures It's the cap. Can't be trusted with a cap.

[@dragonsystems5973]

I told the sales staffat the dealership i worked at "youre not a person, your a car salesman, theres a difference"

[@slide_twt]

okay porter

[@jssouthtx]

My brother was a sales manager and he would have me prank the new guys with insane requests, deadlines, special order requests the would drag on for weeks. He’s now the general manager but we had some fun back in those days.

[@kilo-watt]

What kind of “prank” wastes the time of your sales people for weeks? Your brother is a dbag.

[@JustinMitchell-l4d]

i like to go out of my way to not give them a reason, while just refusing to go sit down with them. "Come on in and ill get you a price".. me- "no thanks" and continue to see how many times I can get them to go inside and come out. Bonus points if you can get the service manger to come outside too.

[@justinadam6359]

Maybe it’s different here in Australia but just before Covid I bought 2 new cars about 3 months apart Different brands and dealers. One was a top of the line Mazda suv for my wife. I haggled with the sales person for about 15 minutes and then she said that I had to meet the sales manager. So I did. He did the usual and insisted that if they agreed to my price they would make a loss on the car. I left and bought the same car through a fleet buyer for 10% less - $6k. Ironically it was supplied by the same dealer. Second time I made appointments with 3 dealers 3 hours apart on the same day by email. I told the first sales person that I had done that and said that unless he quickly gave me the price I wanted, I would move on to the next dealer. He didn’t believe me until I showed him the appointment emails on my phone. I got the price I wanted from the first dealer.

[@switchcars]

There you go. Straightforward on your end, and you got what you wanted.

[@william6534]

I'm glad that salesperson didn't let you waste anymore of their time

[@bored2323]

To be fair it all started when dealerships started playing head games now customers come in knowing there getting screwed

[@michaelevans5603]

Just because I want to buy a car, I have to subsidize their Taj Mahal dealership?

[@audios22]

Walk-in and buy without negotiation? Indeed we did it three times with Saturn. All college grad sales staff. Service and ownership of the dealer in Tempe, AZ. Still say Saturn (aside from the dealings) were some of the great cars we've ever owned. great vid guys.

[@switchcars]

I miss Saturn. People knock them but they were great.

[@z50king29]

When I picked up my truck after it was delivered, an older couple came into the dealership and bought the 2500 Diesel they had on the lot without even a test drive

[@joshuablaz]

It seems... pretty easy to imagine how people value their time to walk after negotiation. If you make $20 an hour working and stand to save $1,000 if you drive a hard bargain, it's worth spending up to 50 hours doing that. Hell, if you make $150k it may STILL be worth it to walk after a full day of negotiation. Haggling on cars has potential to be one of the highest dollars per hour activities the average American does.

[@switchcars]

But that's assuming that you're actually getting the savings you think you are. As we stated "The house always wins". Also, sitting at a dealer for eight hours is NOT the most efficient way to negotiate, nor the most effective. I'd argue that it's the opposite. When do most accused criminals confess to crimes? After eight hours of interrogation. You don't think the dealers know what they're doing with these tactics?

[@Chris_In_Texas]

I bring my wife along, and she negotiates on what she wants to pay, as a 3rd party to the whole thing, she isn't invested in my new car or the trade in, but she writes the checks, maybe its the finance and accounting in her, as she enjoys negotiating. We wasted 4 hours in a dealer the last time, just working on the stupid trade in, but she got them up to what she figured was fair for the both of us. She can walk away much easier then I can, as she doesn't care if I get a new vehicle. 😁👍

[@JustinMitchell-l4d]

I honestly could not care less that the dealer has to pay a small fee when I pay my car off in 2 months. I know a lot of people use that saying, but I mean it. You could offer me $100 and I could not care less.

[@thomasmagda4580]

I applied for an F&I manager position and one of the questions on the application was “have you ever been face to face with an extremely angry customer?”

[@EM-ru3eh]

My late husband was deaf, and it would drive the sales people crazy that they couldn't understand our conversations, taking place right in front of them 😆

[@chem7]

The entitlement of these two guys is insane. The dealers role is to extract as much money as possible from the customer. The customers role is to pay as little as possible. If that means abusing the sales person? Fine.

[@switchcars]

It’s never ok to abuse someone just to get a better deal. Just buy somewhere else. I’ll quote from the French revolution: “don’t become that which you hate”

[@TOO_INTENSE]

How do I submit vanity plates?

[@switchcars]

Send us an email through switchcast.live

[@TOO_INTENSE]

@switchcars ok thank you. I have a few I'll round up.

[@チャーリーブラウン-w8l]

Remember everyone, as they both said "You're just a number..." Recommend everyone to come in with their finances ready and see if they can do better, with the minimal amount of hassle. Those are the facts

[@william6534]

They're old school sales people. That isn't the way the future will go.

[@Alansdadude]

I would say “new” EVs are expensive from depreciation. That 18k hertz model 3 is gonna be really cheap to own.

[@switchcars]

good point.

[@AeroGuy07]

There's a guy that lives near me, and the plates on two of his cars are "4FUN" and "4FUN 2." They are different models of the same car, one is older and one is newer. Any guesses? (should be easy)

[@switchcars]

That's either a 4runner or a Mustang.

[@AeroGuy07]

@switchcars not even close! Here's a hint, the owner is probably between 65 and 70 years old, so a boomer.

[@switchcars]

@@AeroGuy07 aah I thought the "4' was a clue. Gotta be a Corvette then. 4 SHO

[@AeroGuy07]

@switchcars C6 and a C8!

[@charlesroddy4728]

​@@switchcars my 4runner had a plate with, "I'd Rather Be Shaggin'" before I moved

[@loseerich493]

I never 'sit down' & negotiate with them i.e. don't waste my time at the dealership. If I don't t know if I like a vehicle I will go to a dealer & test drive it. Then I'll leave. At that point if it's something I want I will negotiate via text or email. Last 3 new cars I've purchased have been done in this fashion. Easy/painless/quick.

[@switchcars]

You mean they haven't asked for a blood sample before giving you a test drive?

[@loseerich493]

@@switchcars That part is actually mind-blowing, especially in the wacko fantasy car market around Las Vegas. Most of the lux dealerships I've been in & out of throughout the years here don't even ask to see my DL.

[@switchcars]

@@loseerich493 Nutty. I went in to dealerships where I knew the GM and it was still over an hour process for a test drive. That's with "professional courtesy". I've seen people sit for three hours just waiting for delivery paperwork on a deal that was already done. it's almost as if USPS or the SSA ran most car dealerships.

[@loseerich493]

@@switchcars All I think venture a guess is that it depends on geographic area. What I find funny around Las Vegas right now is a lot of huge corporate owned dealerships (think AutoNa...) have purged their websites of all staff information, including who the GM of the particular store is. Thinking the turnovers present day, including senior store management folks, must be insane.

[@dcardenas1661]

"Her Mess" was probably Hermès given the X7, and infinitely more annoying

[@joe_ferreira]

I like to dress down so they make lesser assumptions about my income and status.

[@switchcars]

Last time I went in to a dealer with my wife to look at cars I hadn't even showered that morning. Unfortunately that day of all days people recognized me.

[@joe_ferreira]

@switchcars 🤣

[@B1t3hih8u]

10:25 we don’t care

[@ianhardin1148]

Yep. Boo-freaking hoo. If you don't come in with your own financing the dealer is going to work some extra into "the best rate" they can get for you.

[@JamesThomas-kx5sj]

Seriously that is a wildly out of touch take. I'm gonna do whatever I can to get the best possible deal for myself because I know the dealership is doing the same for themselves.

[@sdg708]

Your not negotiating with a salesman. Its the saleman's job to "sell" the deal the manager gave them. They are biased brokers between you and their manager. Know your numbers. Know the trade value and similar comps of the car your looking at. Negotiate the "out the door price". Thats the actual price of the car. Example: you "get $700-$1000 off the price of the car but you loose that with the "mandatory doc fee"...

[@switchcars]

This is a good point about negotiations. Good perspective.

[@Dude-l9p]

Y’all must not have dealt with a dealer in last 10 years. If they aren’t busy they will waste hours.

[@switchcars]

I recently went car shopping for my wife’s daily. Visited half a dozen dealers. Nobody tried to waste our time as we didn’t try to waste theirs. We were upfront about our intentions, and I wasn’t going to stand for any games. It really wasn’t that bad.

[@jeffreyjeffrey4481]

I like acting like someone with serious ADD. Get distracted mid sentence and walk around spewing nonsensical dribble, return to normalcy then start the ADD spiel again.

[@TickleMePinkGaming]

Add a noise gate to your audio setup, it will really crispen it up and make it sound more professional.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

after the test drive say need to do the test drive again or let me test drive this color car only ,lets go tru in and out burger drive tru or need to see if I can park this at the mall

[@z50king29]

Freight on a new car is the same for every model across the country, by law. That's not something you need to estimate.....

[@switchcars]

What law is this?

[@ianhardin1148]

Would it be possible to have pictures of the plates...everything else could be cropped out. I think it would help those of us watching :)

[@switchcars]

Sure thing. Our editor missed that this episode, but we'll have those pics up on next week's game!

[@z50king29]

I'll pay 500 over invoice minus manufacturer holdback minus distributor hold back minus....

[@MTbone7]

Best vid

[@timothycoyne5874]

I love Tyler's point about the time spent and stress felt during negotiations when that amount is such a small percentage of the sale price. Trying to get another $500 off a $40K car? That's 1.25% off the price of the car. Assuming you're financing the purchase, when financed for 60-72 months, it's all of $8-10/month. No one wants to leave money on the table, but is $10 a month (or about 33 cents a day) worth all that stress? Negotiate as well as you can, realize the dealer will always win (like Doug said), sign the papers, and then go enjoy your new car.

[@JustinMitchell-l4d]

hell yes, $10 a month for 5 years is worth 30 extra minutes of "stress"

[@romanbaranovichi5375]

$10 a month is free Spotify over the finance period of the car

[@JamesThomas-kx5sj]

Is negotiating really *that* stressful though?

[@FVPS-ew2iy]

Didn’t know Tesla was spelled with a Z

[@switchcars]

It is spelled with an "X"

[@paulwortman483]

Seriously is that a 32 ounce can??? Jesus christ!!!