Sumail responds to Ammar's allchat

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[@NM-wh8ms]

Sumail was never toxic. Only cocky with his plays, and a single interview after winning TI where he said "I deserved it". Please don't compare him with Ammar.

[@fida5786]

truly a KING

[@leinardesteves3987]

Suma1l at his peak was miles away from ammar. The guy carried EG through TI5 and DAC. And was undisputedly the best mid during that time, no one can lane against the guy. All that success can make you cocky, but had great guidance from Fear and Phil. Kept the toxicity out of the game

[@reoreodiasuki5237]

​@@leinardesteves3987 Yeah his storm at TI5 is crazy. Sadly LuLba still living in 2015 when we are already at 2022.

[@kidskid8210]

​@@leinardesteves3987 no one can against him only when he picks storm. Remember RTZ wrecking him and Miracle at midlane back in 2016

[@lunaeclipse5768]

WHO THE FUCK IS COMPARING AMMAR WITH KING? use ur brain a bit

[@amirunnaufal1825]

"Yes you are better" After 10 secs, "Radiant Victory!"

[@fitt4393]

Ikr

[@nevermore7191]

you know sarcasm bro ?

[@OppositeOfMute]

@@nevermore7191 The irony in asking if someone understood a sarcastic comment, while they are actively acknowledging the sarcasm that was present.

[@karna6634]

@@nevermore7191 🤡

[@liwagchan1579]

@@nevermore7191 clown.

[@qwerty-bw3be]

i love how all pro players just goes with ammar and doesnt wanna go against his immature side

[@farrel_ra]

he's still 16, maybe no pros younger than that (at least same age, but we know who's the childish one)

[@ganangprayoga7970]

16 y/o being immature... nothing new

[@mrsquadbot]

Because pros actually play Dota and aren't KZbin commentors

[@skd1347]

@@ganangprayoga7970 still 16 but looks like a dad.

[@stifflerz7271]

@@skd1347 FAX

[@Jowy_]

Yatoro being toxic, the fans : He just won 1 TI and think he is a god?? Ammar being toxic, the fans : Wow he is really funny and entertaining, we need more this kind of behaviour to make dota scene more interesting!

[@lethargic.]

if you see a double standard person in dota 2 community it's probably an OG fan

[@kylewalkr7388]

Ammar is like this even before win major, while yatoro win 1 ti and suddenly he use YATOROGOD in official matches.

[@Jowy_]

@@lethargic. you are so right

[@lethargic.]

@@kylewalkr7388 isnt his ign on TI "YATOROGOD" ?

[@Jowy_]

@@kylewalkr7388 so? Win 1 TI is every pro player dream lol. And he never all chat toxic like ammar did.

[@KingRSX0608]

"I never trashtalk first" said the major champ and then his team laugh

[@maniac3905]

right? lmao pure toxicity, If i don't want to cheer for OG then its probably because of Ammar's hypocrisy.

[@miko8681]

This is pubs not on pros tournament, get yo fact straight.

[@mehrsinaesmaili1903]

@@maniac3905 I cheer OG exactly because of AMMAR xd he knows how to trigger the fuck out of you in an official match

[@afrizal8275]

@@mehrsinaesmaili1903 lmao what?

[@Mytzoshka18]

@@maniac3905 He was obviously trolling, I mean,are ppl rly that low iq to take for real Ammar obvious trollings ?

[@mcjudilla774]

"You are better" -- The ultimate humility right there. When you are too good, you dont need to do a lot of talking.

[@JovanKK]

Only 3 people at mid and this child is complaining While Godson is ganked by 5 people at mid for daily routine and still break their ankles

[@renanferreira1606]

Godson ->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ammar

[@PrinceGamingIndonesia]

Godson? Mean dogson? And lose the match with low networth ...thats daily dogson

[@wilfredkhapai4841]

Wherever someone has the word gaming In their names Jst know their father left them

[@JovanKK]

@@wilfredkhapai4841 i know, thats why i ignored him too mate xD

[@BrunimMCD]

If u watch the replay ammar got bodied by sumail in lane, and said that but in real he was getting destroyed.

[@bryanzeming4233]

ammar acting like hes so good. sumail could have just said "you won a major at 17, i won TI at 16"

[@vidyasantosa5311]

If DAC counted as major so sumail won a major at the age of 15

[@MuhammadAnas-ct5om]

15*

[@Ceesarps]

This guy is going from funny to annoying rly fast

[@ferdinand3652]

IKR, more look like seeking attention

[@Ffthered]

@@ferdinand3652 it worked i guess lol

[@uvvueouoeuoieoeooasssass2064]

Not even funny in the first place, so cring tbh

[@ordine8142]

never funny,just annoying

[@nnk9305]

I think a Player being annoyed by Ammar is somewhat of a bait He’s doing that on purpose,… Ammar even mentioned he will trashtalk and be toxic for no reason in Pubs now that he won a Major And he actually did He mentioned he has big Ego and he will Trashtalk in All Chat even tho nobody Chat first Ammar’s baiting Pros to focus him more than his Teammates This probably one of OG’s Mental Strategy

[@himanshuborah117]

If u r going to compare Ammar with Sumail( when he was new to the scene), I would hate to burst your bubble but Sumail was never a toxic guy ingame, its his cocky attitude outside the game that people really hated, not to mention.. Kid Sumail would mop the floor with Ammar any day

[@MrZlord23]

If Nigma get their shit together with Kuro and his out of meta drafts and playstyle they will probably take revenge on OG TI.

[@xebshopon3030]

@@MrZlord23 only if, keep that hype, still long way to go, liquid and secret are on the race too

[@hellnickyable]

@@MrZlord23 to be fair , Nigma has a good track record against OG, if you're only looking at LANs tournament KEKW

[@arjunbagga2009]

How can you compare prime Sumail to prime Ammar, many pros have repeatedly stated that the level of Dota now is way higher than it was before, and by taking that into account if sumail at his prime was a player now he would not have made as big of an impact now as a new player than he would in the past as he did during ti5. While Ammar is a kid who is on par with many pro offlaners and literally got respect banned in all games in the recent major and is playing top notch Dota lol, we can easily say that Ammar has WAY more talent.

[@edmosby5211]

not to mention, Sumail won TI at the age of 15

[@zentumaisle5925]

"if me 6 u die" -Ammar the Feeder

[@Ziibbii]

Sumail probably see's a younger version of himself in ATF

[@paolosalgo6987]

i think ammar is cockier if thats a word

[@kingseiryu929]

Sumail sees the similarity

[@shawnchuang1450]

Sumail won ti at 15 or something. Ammar is nearly 40 and only has 1 major to his name. They don't even play the same position.

[@alphonsecatan2]

@@shawnchuang1450 40?? Dude Ammar raised his parents. That's how old he is

[@Jowy_]

Lol what do you mean? Ammar is far more cockier lol

[@koyokoyo747]

When he's older and matured he will remember all this and cringe at himself.

[@davie7670]

Don't we all

[@Wewe-qf9ct]

@@davie7670 ye but in ammars case its super cringe

[@MwT010]

That transition to ending😂😂😂😂😂

[@mcjollirogers]

Ammar: "i major winner!" Sumail: "I TI winner."

[@uhtay2376]

Now Ammar and Sumail together in Nigma

[@orjansom961]

Dude says he never start trash talking during Esl one Interview. What a Hypocrite.

[@nnk9305]

It meant on the Tournament He mentioned he’ll be Toxic on Pubs and he’ll use his big Ego on winning Major And now he did, he actually is being Toxic for almost every game for no reason Ammar’s probably just baiting Pros to focus him more during in-game during Tournaments Mental Strategy

[@zentumaisle5925]

Ofcourse he wont do it on lans in front of thousands of people. Do you know who is Low tier god? Hes literally the most toxic player on fighting games but he behaves nicely on lans because he didnt want to be beaten by thousands of people

[@effartolacobo6742]

@@zentumaisle5925 dude dont even compare ltg with atf. Sure atf is toxic but ltg is juz a piece of shit racist yickadee chicken legs. How ltg can even still streaming is beyond me.

[@nomorevanhellsing3325]

@@nnk9305 he is kid. probably obssesed with villain roles, thinks hes badass doing toxic stuff

[@bluesnuffle2893]

Sumail was a little cocky but most of it was his super aggressive playstyle. He was not this toxic or arrogant in game even at his cockiest, unless I'm misremembering

[@zoulflyinghigh]

“Yes, you’re better” from here onwards Ammar should know he is just another immature brat with a 10 years old kid EQ

[@riduma]

Becuase he talks trah in a game that's always been full of trash talkers? Lol nice analysis.

[@exterminateccp1642]

"yes , you're better" you can see here that sumail doesn't give a flying fuck. He just wants to kill the Convo immediately.. no sense talking trash to a childish brat.

[@Hankblue]

@@riduma Game isn't full of anything, 90% of players don't type anything.

[@mrsquadbot]

@@Hankblue Just because the streamer you watch mutes everyone doesnt mean most people dont type anything

[@xox0143]

Hey! At least he doesn't draw sign that support war on an official match with thousand of people watching!

[@ajm64sc2]

must've hurt his feelings to get stomped like that lol

[@thoroughbred1444]

Out of 100 times Sumail will beat Ammar at mid at least 95 times

[@princetonvalera4670]

Sumail wins 60% of the time all the time.

[@MattDoesLife539]

Sumail looks at what Ammar does and thinks to himself "Damn so this is what people felt when playing with me after I won my first TI."

[@aristo9185]

Not really kid. Learn history first

[@tariefhassan7671]

sumail wasn't really a trashtalker in game , but he's playstyle was just cocky and his attitude outside the game was also cocky thats why many people hate him.

[@whiterunguard9182]

Sumail was never a little bitch like this Ammar. In fact Sumail got into Times magazine for top 30 most influential teens the time he won TI. He achieved everything at 15, was confident but never too arrogant or toxic. Ammar would never even got featured in any news outlet because of his dog shit attitude and behavior alone. Don't even compare Sumail to that little 40 years old piece of shit

[@NM-wh8ms]

Sumail was never like this.

[@MattDoesLife539]

@@tariefhassan7671 Exactly what I meant

[@-Noctis-]

When you're losing the argument, you just simply say "SO WHAT" and start blabbing delusional things. XD

[@aeysanity]

ammar meets matured accomplished player

[@steveo9683]

Sumail looking at his younger self back.

[@jackj1019]

It's getting cringe now

[@sabaistory4221]

now they are teammates haaa

[@andakeras9252]

look at the arrogance, make him lose, more respect for sumail for his attitude, his truly pro player. 🔥🔥

[@envydota1207]

Sumail is perfect example what being cocky is , not cringe

[@ateski3477]

They need to teach him some respect, im saying this as an OG fan

[@SuperNauval]

hes roasting his self 😂

[@markshandonalviar5145]

JUST A NORMAL DAY FOR AMMAR

[@tahajaved4177]

‘If me 6, u die’… its like saying ‘if im level 25 u all die’ at the start of the game

[@allenxavier6073]

hahaha this isn't comparable to babyrage RTZ back in his peak, peak dota2 was when a lot of pros are actually being toxic even in pubs. I'm looking at you Ramzes, Puppey, and Ceb.

[@fianlazuardi6383]

I remember Charlie throwing every pub he tilt

[@reoru4425]

Kansellllllllll

[@andrewla9053]

Don't forget the legendary EE sama

[@Storylinezx]

okay hear me out this time...

[@gcsmedia7256]

"yes ure better"

[@jonathanfan3709]

The only person that looks older at 17 is Greg Oden.

[@s.hazader6029]

Incoming OG fans trying to rationalize his trash behavior LOL Keep in mind that these people wont accept when other teams like spirit secret or fnatic do the same thing LMAO

[@nishantroy2905]

seriously TF is pa doing mid 11 mins in?! xD

[@gomesdiogo]

successfully tilting the other mid as we see

[@regular3233]

Ammar- average trash talker Sumail- average dota enjoyer

[@ancixy]

“invo needs help on mid” also sumail with 30 denies on 11 min

[@TheArbalah]

Is he really complaining about being ganked in a team game? I thought people around 5-6k stop doing that, not even talking about him being major winner

[@nnk9305]

Bruh I think Ammar’s doing that on purpose,.. He’s being toxic in Pubs on Pro, while he’s being chuill on LAN Luring Pro Players to aim, tip him, trash him on tournaments I think he’s being mentally toxic for some kind of strategic way

[@mihaitaplesea]

Nah, he is just brain dead. It dosen`t matter the situation he will trash talk. 16 years old, wcyd.

[@mrsquadbot]

Even Dendi does that, chill

[@georgeallison6528]

@@mrsquadbot people love Dendi though. Everyone but og fangays hate Ammar

[@selimmidikoglu5534]

He said it after POS1 arrived to mid as well than he put "?" Lİke for real? They just want to tilt Ammar and even PA coming with Grim and Invo. Nicely executed.

[@BricklayerDreDOTA]

void spirit is like 65% favourable matchup against qw invoker and Sumail owned him in lane

[@limpeh845]

ammar vs ccnc vs kuku, nice to watch

[@grenvast]

Damn. We had no clue they would play on the same team.

[@bullymaguire9863]

ammar has no charisma or real personality so he's just that annoying toxic guy lol

[@priyoarief]

True. Even EE looks better than him in some ways (not in dota skills ofc)

[@apurba4578]

But you have neither charisma nor personality nor mmr/dota titles lmao

[@08Sindri]

@@priyoarief EE, one of the many NA "pro" players who run down mid and destroy items?

[@priyoarief]

@@08Sindri that was years ago. He has better personality nowadays, still pretty toxic but in a funny way

[@mcyaphets1380]

how he dare to trashtalk the king

[@independentvariable2044]

That's how I deal with trash talks. I just admit how good they are.

[@manouchehrsamiev1805]

Toxic people who bust a gut to tilt the enemy usually end up chocking. Gotta be careful with that

[@King-mq5ho]

respect ti winner boy

[@kimbrieva6972]

Was hoping sumail to say "Win TI pls kiddo_

[@faintsherin4468]

I love how these delusional dolts rationalizes ATF's shitty behavior. Be a fan of the game and not the players lads, players come and go, but your the game will always be there.

[@mrsquadbot]

The game encourages toxicity lol, because it sells. You think Valve added those chatwheels and spray for luls?

[@dankvada4588]

you just fucking soft and havent playef any sports. as long he just talks smack who the fuck cares... meanwhile CCnC calling people subhumans for 5 yrs...

[@MatheusRangel_]

youre wrong, HoN is not there anymore dota is next LULW 😢

[@Hankblue]

@@mrsquadbot You think this would have been a clip if Ammar used the chat wheel?

[@mrsquadbot]

@@Hankblue One of his clipped games is literally only him saying 'SECRET CRYSTALLIS' on repeat and 'VIPERRRR' and its still titled 'Ammar toxic', youre new to how KZbin algorithm works or something?

[@yukino4907]

damn this post really awaken all the OG haters that lost their points betting against them in twitch

[@oliberrr]

Ammar has been doing these for 48 years now and people are still affected?? 😂😅😁

[@jimakos25xD]

Well well well both in Nigma now, i wonder how this will go

[@adbegula]

No ammar dont talk to our king like that man

[@amiruladli7570]

Yea u better, its like what the older siblings always say to the younger siblings

[@lunaeclipse5768]

i feel bad for ATF SumaiL- is the type of person who climbed from the bottom and have been through hell of both in-game, IRL. Also hes TI winner, become a TI winner is impossible to most pros. Oh wait, he also have 1k matches in SEA region (prolly only me who knows this).

[@remyboivin5837]

No.

[@passerbeta2298]

kid venting his frustration because he coudn't spam all chat toxicity on stockholm major

[@optimusp86]

Habibi vs habibi

[@FantasticallyMe0]

Bro Ammar got humbled by king Kekw

[@sometime2530]

sumail thought better than to argue with a kid

[@pacson]

ammar making sense tho

[@demostrane]

yes, feel the stoik is better

[@gooddogreallygooddog6157]

Its crazy to think that sumail isnt the young guy anymore

[@DaveeeDavee]

He's a kid, not everyone is bought up the same way and be humble. Some are toxic, some are arrogant and some are just cocky. It's nothing new to this world we live in.

[@komangraka6566]

see you in div2 ammar and sumail!

[@Malumbaa]

Sumail lvl 8 while he's six and he still saying he won lane 🥴

[@jaradecrespo3839]

and now they're teamates lmao

[@eXeZable]

Someone tell amar this is a team game

[@raymuncoscos3226]

I was gonna comment "wtf, why TT, its bad" Then I remember ATF is a kid. literally a kid.

[@hisokaaa367]

Sumail 28 denies

[@projectxgaming]

if this was ceb or mind_control or any pro player he would get punished. This is my pub every day

[@FatlBushida]

"i NevEr tAlK ShiT FirSt"

[@nasetheboss]

sumail slapping kids

[@Yolbert]

these OGs ppl are so oxic

[@bigonicha3225]

I would like it very much to see nigma vs og and sumail destroy him and all chat at the end you are still better xd

[@Ryra89]

I1m really into that one! the only thing that Nigma need is a toxic player. here you are!

[@carl4243]

Habibi gang fighting

[@kingpabs38]

now they are on the same team xdxdxd

[@gskyon]

"How dare you have help from your teammates in this team based game that we are playing, man, you are such a scrub"

[@pikupz]

I love it, he's a 16 yr old kid playing with adults

[@madzid9634]

Sumail is the best, you dont talk like this to the king of mid

[@gurkasas7157]

Bow down to the king LUL

[@whirlybird268]

Man, What happened to ATF. He wasnt like this 2 years ago...

[@marvinfollero846]

Ammar The Filipino

[@scozzbaggs9224]

baby rage

[@amjoskie]

ahh, i love the natural tt on pubs, well even on esports has paparazzi lol

[@mohamedramzy1290]

This guy with this attitude on Main stage In ti will get roasted

[@143RYANZCRY]

sumail sees his younger self haha, in his prime he would wiped tf out ammar totally.

[@yangzixiang6605]

ammar is such a kid

[@Incieal]

This is a pretty old clip all things considered, from his latest interviews he seems like he's changing but time will tell. Sumail himself used to be alot like this too

[@aa99940]

you actually think a 'NGX.Sumail' is from a pretty old clip at this point? bro...

[@Incieal]

@@aa99940 ngl I saw one of these clips a while back and I thought it was the same one Ive been proven wrong but nevertheless I wish the best for both of them

[@jaggeracog]

Just ammar giving ez money for these clippers

[@algifnur]

39-9 LOLW

[@lucianmarquez3113]

valve can never fix the toxic community as long as they support the toxic pros espicaly when kids make these toxic pros as their idols so they copy their toxicty-they should do something about these toxic pros

[@misterroberts344]

PA was 17 and 0😳

[@offlaneenjoyer94]

And now they play on the same team lolol

[@whysoserious6232]

Ammar the father's trolling improved again after learning from Ceb the grandpa

[@TURTWIG094]

Yes ure better - skips to amar getting throned LOL

[@lenard7814]

This is not the Classic OG Trashtalk If he trashtalk like them it would be better

[@kwamebrownofficial]

Sufail the king of Div 2