Titans Were Originally MORTAL?! It Was ALL A LIE! (New Lore)

[@Doronsmovies]

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[@TheMrToxin]

Now that I think about it, Aman'thul/Sargeras reminds me of Malfurion/Illidan if they're brothers. Since Illidan is now connected to Sargeras, maybe Aman'thul could be similar to Malfurion. Malfurion also didn't tolerate anything that doesn't align with nature, like Illidan using fel. Just a random thought that came to mind.

[@merlylvsm]

It's called a fractal. WoW is choc full of them.

[@draketruitt4275]

If they do that ima be pissed cause that means they watched naruto

[@robinliengehlin1481]

@@draketruitt4275 fractals is a common thing, not just in WoW

[@reginaldclarke1758]

I really hope they use Elune's and Eonar's relationship as a catalyst to shed light on the true nature of the pantheon and a possible civil war amongst them. I think blizz might bring back the Aesir v. Vanir distinction. With the Vanir supporting the heroes of Azeroth; Eonar possibly leading the charge. I'm 100% expecting to learn more about Elune and Eonar with the Harronir and Elune'ahir being introduced this expac.

[@SitchBlap]

Pretty much confirms for me at least elune is a special world soul/titan. Sleeping with the help isnt order affiliated i guess.

[@UncrownedKingDante]

Odyn Dragonflight " Your Mortal minds cannot comprehend what the makers (first ones) have granted/given Titans at Zereth Ordus" This pretty much sums up everything, Power they have were given by the first ones to order and hold "control" over the cosmos to make balance. Then they went rogue from there on... Now only question is why can Primus use first ones phrases and magic like its nothing? Something that Titans were never capable of doing?

[@CaiRobinson]

I mean a simple answer oh there in the Shadowlands, closer to the source of the first ones ie zerith mortis. So it's easier for them to draw upon it.

[@Hekk.]

Primus and the rest of Shadowlands Pantheon are "higher" on the power scale than Titans, no?

[@UncrownedKingDante]

@@CaiRobinson yes but those secrets of first ones were hidden within sepulchure only Zovaal had access to…

[@UncrownedKingDante]

@@Hekk. nah, they are “same” but thing is Primus is on whole other different power level from all of the rest. Inventor and creator of Domination Magic, only guy in cosmos for now we have confirmed that is able to use first ones magic. Guy is a legend, planned everything out perfectly.

[@roninhare9615]

I think Netharian knew the threat, he learned the truth. These 2 whispers he received imo are implying the titans. "They are no better than the demons..." "They must be dealt with like the demons..." The titans have to be killed within the twisting neither. It’s where Norgannon bound their souls too, so they cannot die. The odds of fighting a conflict within the twisting nether is slim to none for them…. Until we defeat them in the last titan and we give chase into the twisting nether in an attempt to end their reign once and for all.

[@thithihao5473]

This lore is out of control

[@Guarde1520]

Yep. They are taking the old lore (which was simple and clean) and are trying to "deeping" it, but this stuff is just crazy. For being such overwhelmingly powerful and ancient beings, these cosmological forces sure are petty. They seem more human (with unstable emotions) than godly-like entities

[@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io]

​@Guarde1520 That has always been the case with gods. Atleast all the western pantheons have been unstable as fuck.

[@rengarlothbrok5696]

​@@Guarde1520 written by humans ?

[@SmackYoungins]

Somebody had to say it, this comment had me crying 😂

[@prophetscott]

​@@Guarde1520perfect description of Greek Gods and other pantheons in the world. Usually polytheistic religions could afford more human resembling gods.

[@jare3959]

The Arbiter is major key in understanding what makes a Titan level being. (Can they please just give us a general name for that level of being, since the 2 we know are force specific?) and Pelagos was the puzzle piece that showed they don't require special souls. They can be ascended mortals.

[@evripidisalexiou6060]

I knew it. I always screamed it was weird that the titans were supposedly so much huger than the pantheon of death

[@Kubapajonczek]

Speaking of pantheons created by the First Ones, I wonder what the Pantheon of Chaos/Disorder aka the actual leaders of demons are up to. They couldn't be Sargeras and the Legion leadership, considering that Sargeras is originally a being of Order and even recruited the Eredar exactly for the purpose of BRINGING ORDER to the demonic legions, so that would make the Burning Legion a dark twist on Order rather than representatives of Chaos/Disorder. I say unless Blizzard forgets it, chances are that some time after The Last Titan we may have new Big Bads in form of the equivalent of Diablo & co of WoW's universe

[@hobosnake1]

I hate to say it because it sounds corny on the face of it, but they are totally setting up illidan to take on the godlike power of a titan or world soul.

[@ThisisDD]

I was under the impression that the first ones created the titans and the eternal were the death pantheon of equal power level. Did they decide to retcon that too now? wtf blizz this shit is getting confusing

[@Russell_Officcial]

What you guys think if in the expansion the last titan iridikron becomes our titan-protector against all cosmic powers while azeroth's birth like no any cosmic power but as a female prime cause iridikron maybe a villain but not a fan of void and lives the truth

[@patrikzotaj4528]

i hope titans aren't evil and we can't kill them please🙏🙏🙏.

[@CaseySS93]

what if sargeras was just trying to fix what the titans are doing?

[@galten7361]

@CaseySS93 That was the idea in WC3 with the RPG. There weren't any Void Lords but Sargeras concluded that the Titans' way was not how the universe was meant to be and in the RPG he actively blamed their interference for making the demons be how they are.

[@CaseySS93]

@@galten7361 hi thanks for the info! is there on this i can read or is this all in game knowledge that i am just too lazy to find?

[@Cliodhna-z1i]

I only believe in Xal'Atath. O_O

[@AnimeSalvageYard]

In Feet We Trust.

[@Kubapajonczek]

I don't #Xe'raDidNothingWrong

[@Cliodhna-z1i]

@@Kubapajonczek heathen

[@durk5331]

what if Light was an Energy Source, Void was for Probability Calculation, Order was for Keeping Balance, Disorder was for Resets, Death was for Recycling Parts, and Life was for Creating the End Product? Makes sense that each part of a Machine has a function right?

[@Plantlet-dk6ww]

If I remember correctly Titans were never seen as the true gods in Warcraft. Are they godlike? Sure. Are they gods? No.

[@hobosnake1]

You're correct. They're treated like gods by certain characters. They have godlike powers (but have shown to be fallible, Argus being killed by mortals even). Wrath showed that they clearly aren't morally good or even that smart, considering they were about to reoriginate us and our world. There's a lot pointing to them being both fallible and sometimes immoral as far back as Wrath. People act surprised, or say "they're ruining the lore! Titans were the good guys!!" I feel like they just haven't critically thought it all out on a macro level. Also, is it not strange that we killed Argus instead of try to save him? Isn't Argus supposed to be one of the titans? There was no attempt to snap him out of his corruption? Just seems.... evil. When you're as powerful as a titan and there's a bunch of you.... you decide to kill Argus? Weird..

[@Kubapajonczek]

@@hobosnake1 I think the reason we had to kill Argus was that he was warped by Sargeras to be a tool for rebirthing demons of the Legion that died even in the Twisting Nether, like those on Argus or Outland. So basically, if we didn't kill Argus, we couldn't kill any demon permanently, because they would be revived in Antorus instead being annihilated as they should be when killed in Hell/Twisting Nether

[@Kubapajonczek]

also Titans are gods, but not the most powerful ones. Kind of lesser gods, while the First Ones or the Clockmaker from some alleged leak are the top ones. WoW is basically polytheistic in a similar manner to Greek Mythology, with Titans in WoW being on the level of Olympian Gods, and the First Ones a step above them

[@Joh00226]

@@hobosnake1Well, we wernt able to kill argus tho, we got killed by him, then ressurected by the titans and got empowered by them to be able to take argus down.

[@hobosnake1]

@@Kubapajonczek but didn't we basically free aggramar from the exact same fate right before? And we didn't have the titan empowerments for that fight. Why did we save aggramar but not Argus? My point still stands. Couldn't they have figured out ANY way to save their brother?

[@jameysotelo540]

Where is this new journal at in game?

[@stephenhaldane995]

I feel like they have lost the plot here. The titans were designed to be the gods of warcraft, and then we got a cosmic war with the legion. Shadowlands "there is no objective truth" etc has made it so blizz just retcons on the fly to sell a new story

[@thepieofyourlife4799]

Why is the arguably the weakest cosmic group becoming the bad guys? The titans are literally the only Cosmic force with the supposed greatest advantage that constantly lose to everyone. Lost to Fel, through Sargeras. Lost to Void, they had their balls shaken just by seeing Voidlord farts. Lost to Dead, after the Dreadlord manipulated Sargeras into insanity. Lost to Light, in terms of current active forces on the planet that still has strong hold towards the heroes (even the dragons left the titans).

[@lucavilla6806]

Where you find the document on eonar? I what go to find and read

[@metaphyzxx]

I always viewed the titans existence on our plane was sort of like antimatter which was why they couldn’t fully manifest in our reality, and why Void REALLY couldn’t.

[@darkie1111]

Titans CAN fully manifest. They actively chose not to because of their massive size.

[@ZhanTodorov]

When core concepts get retconned, people just lose interest in the lore.

[@WoWrper]

I mean….. you haven’t lol

[@JoceBeggar]

What core concepts? Titans were believed to be dead/long gone since WoW began. In Pandaria we learned they were gone. In Legion we found then locked/imprisioned.

[@ZhanTodorov]

@@JoceBeggar None of that is as bad as "oh the titans weren't always THE TITANS". The core concept of the universe' gods gets shattered. And it is a core concept since it been around for at least 20 years. Either way, I've checked out already, who cares.

[@hobosnake1]

​​@@ZhanTodorov do you realize just how sparse titan lore was before wrath? And that in wrath we saw the first example of titans being immoral and fallible? Do you even care about this lore? All the titan lore before WoW was mostly in the warcraft 2 manual. It had almost no details. Just because Titans may be Titans for a reason not previously known, doesn't mean it's at odds with old lore. I hope you reply and tell me where you're at with this. My guess is you quit long ago or you just never really deep dived anything in the lore.

[@aaad3552]

Feels like disrespecting old lore and straight up hum, ilia, ting them. I mean just look at what they did to my arthus crown. Etc

[@Machete9000]

ib4 we learn we were in fact the Avatar of Azeroth in mortal form and by extension, we ARE Azeroth

[@martinkase5842]

World of Retconcraft

[@farmerjoseph8683]

even titans minions refer to the titans as the eternal first ones thats what the earthen call them but yet you keep trying to say titans and first ones different when they are not

[@robinliengehlin1481]

unless something changed in the lore regarding the first ones they created both the pantheon of the death realm (shadowlands - the Primus Zovaal etc) exactly as they created the pantheon of order (aman'thul and his crew) but yes this channel pulls most of his "theories" out of his ass that I can agree with you on :P

[@cw8]

I rather they just stay as the good guys godlike creator characters

[@UncrownedKingDante]

They are far from that... especially Aman'thul. Just like Primus, he is biggest deceiver in cosmos, basically deluded everything and everyone into his own use.

[@JoceBeggar]

I dont. It would mean they suck and dont help at all.

[@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io]

​@@JoceBeggarsounds like a god to me.

[@aaad3552]

The game has to continue somehow. But yeh its a massive middle finger to our memories of the game.

[@cw8]

@@aaad3552 The Titans could still remain good and as they were originally and the story could still continue since there's still the Void to deal with.

[@dharkann]

What if God was one of us

[@vonb8984]

That’s just stealing RuneScape lore

[@GreenGoblin73]

I have ALWAYS seen the Titans as intruders and enslavers. Having all this information coming out pleases me on so many levels. I absolutely love TWW storyline and everything that is slowly being revealed.

[@Kubapajonczek]

to an extent, they are, but it's not like they never did anything good for us. They helped deal with original Black Empire and as recently as Legion they helped imprison Sargeras

[@galten7361]

@JayCruz73 Every single major race in the Alliance/Horde has ties to the Titans.

[@WoWrper]

I would just like to say - if you are on here commenting on how bad the story is, you’re clearly here because you are interested. So stop complaining

[@adamsouza0100]

You dont make sense 😂😂😂

[@mh3594]

I like the story and am not one of those doom commenters, but that logic is flawed. I loved game of thrones but disliked how the writers pooped the bed the last season.

[@WoWrper]

@@mh3594 Would you watch all the KZbin trailers for the final season and take to the comments on those? That’s just how I see it

[@aaad3552]

Interested ≠ like. Even if i ha, te the idea why wouldn't i watch it?... What kind of twi, sted logic is this. Just cause you dont learn what you disagree doesn't mean others shouldn't. But tbf i was hoping this would be cool

[@aaad3552]

​@@WoWrpersure why?

[@aaad3552]

Ofc it has to be wom, an

[@kurisu100]

Stop calling it "real" lore. This is bad beyound the stupiest fanfiction from bad writers...

[@markbrealey6036]

My assumption is Order managed to manifest Aman'Thul inside of reality, much like Dimensius was at Karesh, and he then went around claiming Worldsouls creating the Pantheon. The titans then did their thing lying to the mortal races about how the universe functions, which we now know is canon.

[@t.p.7373]

Gg

[@celiovicenteribeirofilho9740]

New puke lore.🤮