Titans Were Originally MORTAL?! It Was ALL A LIE! (New Lore)

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Everything about the titans is now changing, they are obviously being set up as the villains. However a new document from a titanforged earthen proposes that they might have originally been mortals that turned themselves immortal. Recent lore confirmed that they are going around and converting planets and creating titans, but who even really are the original titans that were created in Zereth Ordus? Is it possible that most of the titan pantheon was raised against their will just like how they are trying to turn Azeroth into one of their own. Was someone like Aman'thul and Sargeras the original creation that began this mission and eventually disagreed on the strategy. What is going on and what is this new information?
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[@Doronsmovies]

How do you think the first titan came to be? Also get amazing deals with my discount code 'DORON' gvo.deals/Doron

[@UncrownedKingDante]

Odyn Dragonflight " Mortal minds cannot comprehend what the makers (first ones) have granted/given Titans at Zereth Ordus" This pretty much sums up everything, Power they have were given by the first ones to order and hold "control" over the cosmos to make balance. Then they went rogue from there on...

[@TheMrToxin]

Now that I think about it, Aman'thul/Sargeras reminds me of Malfurion/Illidan if they're brothers. Since Illidan is now connected to Sargeras, maybe Aman'thul could be similar to Malfurion. Malfurion also didn't tolerate anything that doesn't align with nature, like Illidan using fel. Just a random thought that came to mind.

[@merlylvsm]

It's called a fractal. WoW is choc full of them.

[@draketruitt4275]

If they do that ima be pissed cause that means they watched naruto

[@robinliengehlin1481]

@@draketruitt4275 fractals is a common thing, not just in WoW

[@thithihao5473]

This lore is out of control

[@Guarde1520]

Yep. They are taking the old lore (which was simple and clean) and are trying to "deeping" it, but this stuff is just crazy. For being such overwhelmingly powerful and ancient beings, these cosmological forces sure are petty. They seem more human (with unstable emotions) than godly-like entities

[@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io]

​@Guarde1520 That has always been the case with gods. Atleast all the western pantheons have been unstable as fuck.

[@reginaldclarke1758]

I really hope they use Elune's and Eonar's relationship as a catalyst to shed light on the true nature of the pantheon and a possible civil war amongst them. I think blizz might bring back the Aesir v. Vanir distinction. With the Vanir supporting the heroes of Azeroth; Eonar possibly leading the charge. I'm 100% expecting to learn more about Elune and Eonar with the Harronir and Elune'ahir being introduced this expac.

[@metaphyzxx]

I always viewed the titans existence on our plane was sort of like antimatter which was why they couldn’t fully manifest in our reality, and why Void REALLY couldn’t.

[@roninhare9615]

I think Netharian knew the threat, he learned the truth. These 2 whispers he received imo are implying the titans. "They are no better than the demons..." "They must be dealt with like the demons..." The titans have to be killed within the twisting neither. It’s where Norgannon bound their souls too, so they cannot die. The odds of fighting a conflict within the twisting nether is slim to none for them…. Until we defeat them in the last titan and we give chase into the twisting nether in an attempt to end their reign once and for all.

[@SitchBlap]

Pretty much confirms for me at least elune is a special world soul/titan. Sleeping with the help isnt order affiliated i guess.

[@JayCruz73]

I have ALWAYS seen the Titans as intruders and enslavers. Having all this information coming out pleases me on so many levels. I absolutely love TWW storyline and everything that is slowly being revealed.

[@Plantlet-dk6ww]

If I remember correctly Titans were never seen as the true gods in Warcraft. Are they godlike? Sure. Are they gods? No.

[@hobosnake1]

You're correct. They're treated like gods by certain characters. They have godlike powers (but have shown to be fallible, Argus being killed by mortals even). Wrath showed that they clearly aren't morally good or even that smart, considering they were about to reoriginate us and our world. There's a lot pointing to them being both fallible and sometimes immoral as far back as Wrath. People act surprised, or say "they're ruining the lore! Titans were the good guys!!" I feel like they just haven't critically thought it all out on a macro level. Also, is it not strange that we killed Argus instead of try to save him? Isn't Argus supposed to be one of the titans? There was no attempt to snap him out of his corruption? Just seems.... evil. When you're as powerful as a titan and there's a bunch of you.... you decide to kill Argus? Weird..

[@jare3959]

The Arbiter is major key in understanding what makes a Titan level being. (Can they please just give us a general name for that level of being, since the 2 we know are force specific?) and Pelagos was the puzzle piece that showed they don't require special souls. They can be ascended mortals.

[@evripidisalexiou6060]

I knew it. I always screamed it was weird that the titans were supposedly so much huger than the pantheon of death

[@ThisisDD]

I was under the impression that the first ones created the titans and the eternal were the death pantheon of equal power level. Did they decide to retcon that too now? wtf blizz this shit is getting confusing

[@ZhanTodorov]

When core concepts get retconned, people just lose interest in the lore.

[@austindavis8229]

I mean….. you haven’t lol

[@JoceBeggar]

What core concepts? Titans were believed to be dead/long gone since WoW began. In Pandaria we learned they were gone. In Legion we found then locked/imprisioned.

[@ZhanTodorov]

@@JoceBeggar None of that is as bad as "oh the titans weren't always THE TITANS". The core concept of the universe' gods gets shattered. And it is a core concept since it been around for at least 20 years. Either way, I've checked out already, who cares.

[@hobosnake1]

​​@@ZhanTodorov do you realize just how sparse titan lore was before wrath? And that in wrath we saw the first example of titans being immoral and fallible? Do you even care about this lore? All the titan lore before WoW was mostly in the warcraft 2 manual. It had almost no details. Just because Titans may be Titans for a reason not previously known, doesn't mean it's at odds with old lore. I hope you reply and tell me where you're at with this. My guess is you quit long ago or you just never really deep dived anything in the lore.

[@aaad3552]

Feels like disrespecting old lore and straight up hum, ilia, ting them. I mean just look at what they did to my arthus crown. Etc

[@Cliodhna-z1i]

I only believe in Xal'Atath. O_O

[@AnimeSalvageYard]

In Feet We Trust.

[@hobosnake1]

I hate to say it because it sounds corny on the face of it, but they are totally setting up illidan to take on the godlike power of a titan or world soul.

[@Machete9000]

ib4 we learn we were in fact the Avatar of Azeroth in mortal form and by extension, we ARE Azeroth

[@CaseySS93]

what if sargeras was just trying to fix what the titans are doing?

[@vonb8984]

That’s just stealing RuneScape lore

[@rasulhoho9672]

What you guys think if in the expansion the last titan iridikron becomes our titan-protector against all cosmic powers while azeroth's birth like no any cosmic power but as a female prime cause iridikron maybe a villain but not a fan of void and lives the truth

[@farmerjoseph8683]

even titans minions refer to the titans as the eternal first ones thats what the earthen call them but yet you keep trying to say titans and first ones different when they are not

[@robinliengehlin1481]

unless something changed in the lore regarding the first ones they created both the pantheon of the death realm (shadowlands - the Primus Zovaal etc) exactly as they created the pantheon of order (aman'thul and his crew) but yes this channel pulls most of his "theories" out of his ass that I can agree with you on :P

[@cw8]

I rather they just stay as the good guys godlike creator characters

[@UncrownedKingDante]

They are far from that... especially Aman'thul. Just like Primus, he is biggest deceiver in cosmos, basically deluded everything and everyone into his own use.

[@JoceBeggar]

I dont. It would mean they suck and dont help at all.

[@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io]

​@@JoceBeggarsounds like a god to me.

[@aaad3552]

The game has to continue somehow. But yeh its a massive middle finger to our memories of the game.

[@cw8]

@@aaad3552 The Titans could still remain good and as they were originally and the story could still continue since there's still the Void to deal with.

[@austindavis8229]

I would just like to say - if you are on here commenting on how bad the story is, you’re clearly here because you are interested. So stop complaining

[@adamsouza0100]

You dont make sense 😂😂😂

[@mh3594]

I like the story and am not one of those doom commenters, but that logic is flawed. I loved game of thrones but disliked how the writers pooped the bed the last season.

[@austindavis8229]

@@mh3594 Would you watch all the KZbin trailers for the final season and take to the comments on those? That’s just how I see it

[@aaad3552]

Interested ≠ like. Even if i ha, te the idea why wouldn't i watch it?... What kind of twi, sted logic is this. Just cause you dont learn what you disagree doesn't mean others shouldn't. But tbf i was hoping this would be cool

[@aaad3552]

​@@austindavis8229sure why?

[@aaad3552]

Ofc it has to be wom, an

[@kurisu100]

Stop calling it "real" lore. This is bad beyound the stupiest fanfiction from bad writers...