Add air bearings, and you can get better than 0.5μin Ra. I do this along with achieving 250nm profile tolerance. Also, you destroyed the tool when you probed it. You absolutely cannot use tactile probes with MCD tools.
@Exandria2 ай бұрын
Im very new to machining: why is that?
@hendrikholz39972 ай бұрын
Hi @cylosgarage I'm a materials science PhD student working in the fields of micro mechanics. I'm super interested in what you are doing. We usually use focused ion beams to make small structures, like pillar, to test them. But that can alter the materials properties. Would it be possible for you to machine pillars of let's say 3 um diameter and 7 um height into a polished surface? Could be super interesting to my research community!
@animus3d6632 ай бұрын
Is there a relatively inexpensive way to optically probe?
@barrysetzer2 ай бұрын
The touch setter is extremely sensitive and moves. It didnt destroy anything.
@dogface79662 ай бұрын
But you can cut aluminum with it just don’t touch anything!
@WickeD722 ай бұрын
I was thinking 40k was allot for that part, I didn't realize you meant the machine. 😂 That's an amazing price.
@barrysetzer2 ай бұрын
Beautiful finish! Most of the time when I see a finish like that, it was done on a $300,000+ mill with a 80,000 RPM spindle
@viliusr69742 ай бұрын
When you have time, you can use any machine you have. It probably took a coouple of weeks running non stop to polish that on syl.
@BedroomMachinist2 ай бұрын
@viliusr6974 clearly diddnt watch the video, it was probably a 10 minute cycle with a mcd tool 😂
@DGil5042 ай бұрын
Nice video. I am getting a 7 to 10 RA on my Syil V5 all day long. They are great machines for the money!
@tdg9112 ай бұрын
Amazing finish. I had no clue these types of tools existed!
@CATANOVAАй бұрын
T Have used such tools. Normally they cater for extra wear resistance vs traditional carbide, for example when machining high silicone aluminium for extended periods. When it comes to surface finishing on the machine the prerequisites are: 1. Tool form and sharpness 2. Chip management so as to prevent fouling (coolant flushing) 3. Machine rigidity to cover off vibration 4. Machine accuracy when working at micron level step over and positioning between adjacent tracks.. 5. Top notch CAM programming because the step over would usually vary with Z height on the shape (ball mills tend to go linear tracking as the shape goes flat which can spread out the step over as measured on the part surface). Some of the best finishes I have seen on aluminium came by way of straight plain carbide that was highly polished (slippery for the chips) and diamond ground at the cutting edge for ultimate sharpness.
@KylieGranno2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah!!! That finish is INSANE!
@seancollins97452 ай бұрын
now looking at horn catalog for finishing tools for my cnc lathe work, awesome !!!!
@IceWolF963Ай бұрын
5:29 did the crystal chip or is it the lighting ? the finnish is excellent
@89bazolyАй бұрын
Yes, it did. A commenter in another comment said why
@parkcitymacsАй бұрын
Nicely done! What is the retail cost of that bit and the actual size you used? I’m guessing $1800 to $2500?
@Sara-TOC2 ай бұрын
Great video, Trevor! 🎉 I haven’t had the opportunity to with that type of tooling in my career. The surface finish is stunning!
@animus3d6632 ай бұрын
Just got my x7 a couple weeks ago
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
Congrats!
@mattlarson98972 ай бұрын
I am curious what the step over was on that tool and the cycle time...
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
.002" stepover, cycle time was 2 hours.
@Packie3182 ай бұрын
@@trevorgoforth8963 I mean a mirror finish speaks for itself, but I'm sure the carbide endmill would have looked a lot closer with the same stepover too. I would be more impressed and less skeptical if you had shown the same program ran with a similar carbide endmill rather than just showing the roughing pass with one. I think a side by side comparison would be the best way to show what a tool like this can do and if its truly necessary.
@Chauvin-r9uАй бұрын
@@Packie318the reality is that carbide is much like cement hard rocks in a binder carbide cannot really get sharp like highspeed I know that it looks so cool all polished and feels sharp but if you were to see the edge under a microscope you would see the problem especially after using it. A highspeed end mill might come close but only for a few parts before the wear started to affect the finish. In honeing we used poly crystalin and mono lock diamonds to hone automotive cylinders the only problem in iron was torn and folded metal that gets dislodged during use. Going to a three stage honing head got you hundred thousand miles warranties on power trains. Laser honing was next where you have a polished bore with engineered oil retention groves burned in by laser it's totally ready to go but would add a few dollars to each block. When you make 4 million engines in a given program $2 is huge and until absolutely needed to cut oil consumption on hold.
@timothycollette82632 ай бұрын
That Mitutoyo scared me! Did it scratch it? You guys need a Keyence Profilometer. Far superior. Great video tho! amazing finish!
@billyboyce9162 ай бұрын
Trevor is on a mill! Cool cutter and nice finish.
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
Thanks dude!
@diegovianavillegas32972 ай бұрын
Of course you can, with an endmill that costs almost 3000 USD, mirror finish is the least you can ask.
@raindeergames61042 ай бұрын
Dude I buy these MCD end mills on AliExpress for $40. Time to wake up.
@packapunchburger2 ай бұрын
@@raindeergames6104lol
@lubomiryakov82682 ай бұрын
@@raindeergames6104can you refer me to the shop you are buying from?
@ianraybonАй бұрын
$3000?? 🤔
@fleshtonegolemАй бұрын
That level of accuracy is mind boggling!
@TheIronCloochАй бұрын
Maybe a dumb question, but does the thickness or weight of the coolant (from a tolerance standpoint) ever come into consideration when some of these components are machined?
@shaniegust12252 ай бұрын
Wow! That’s insane. And beautiful finish sheesh!
@clutch23152 ай бұрын
More syil vids for us who may get one!
@parmi44692 ай бұрын
So Ra8 in inch means Ra 0,2 in metric. Thats kinda sick. But who needs like polished surfaces on non iron metals.
@alexhuxley39072 ай бұрын
I work as a tool maker and we need high polish on some of our aluminium moulds, although we would polish it by hand not with a fancy diamond tool. However I'm pretty sure this is mostly used for optics manufacturing
@fuzzyboi21872 ай бұрын
Optics The youtube channel "Breaking Taps" has a video of using one of these MCD tools to make a copper mirror for optics
@aftaev2 ай бұрын
How long was the roughing? How long was the finishing?
@xjyrki2 ай бұрын
Yes.
@bradsimpson48992 ай бұрын
Trevor, what would you use on tool steel to achieve something similar? For example if you were making dies that need a mirror finish.
@Randomactivities2.0Ай бұрын
I got an old mill/drill press and a metal lathe with a 17in turning capability that needs restoring if ya wanna do a trade. Lol. I've never milled anything, but I've been slowly fixing up the small lathe for a hopefully fun hobby.
@leonjbrАй бұрын
Congratutalions. This job is absolutely fantastic.
@1320pass2 ай бұрын
Curious on the cycle time and step over compared to the carbide ball nose step over...
@nomoslogos2 ай бұрын
Does that machine have look-ahead? Is 55IPM about the limit for a contour like that?
@Yamototamto2 ай бұрын
How much time was that finishing path? 3 hours : O amazing
@maxwell_edisonАй бұрын
Can you send a link to the brass drum thing?
@terminalbyte7416Ай бұрын
How long did the mirror process take? Would have liked to see a timer in the machine to show how long the process took.
@benjaminshropshire29002 ай бұрын
IIRC natural diamonds might actually form very quickly (potently faster than lab grown). The commonly cited formation times assume the form under conditions like what is seen today, but an alternative theory suggests that they could form much more rapidly under exceptional but short lived conditions (like magma rapidly moving towards the surface of from deep underground). But even then most of the diamond wouldn't be usable for anything but abrasive, would take many years to cool to the point they could be mined at all and even then would be hard to get to.
@AndrewCampbell-ut6jkКүн бұрын
Insane finish.
@trainedtiger2 ай бұрын
Can the controller integrate a renishaw probe and a 5 axis trunion?
@michaelmacdonough33132 ай бұрын
The surface finish was pretty cool, but could we see a 100-piece production order on the syil? And see the qwerks of the machine? In a serious material like titanium or hard steel?
@MrRctintin2 ай бұрын
@@michaelmacdonough3313 my mate only machines titanium on his X7, 6 days a week making bike parts. The quality is just as good as his Brother Speedio, but obviously a bit slower than the Speedio.
@piratiniwood5472 ай бұрын
Nice Trevor..... But what did you make, is that an actual product or something for mother's day already? But the finish is awesome 😊
@12erplays392 ай бұрын
Damn! How long was the Run Time?
@helicopterdriver2 ай бұрын
Speeds, feeds and stepover would have been helpful as well. I can imagine it was a lot of hours just in the finishing pass.
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
@@helicopterdriver 10K RPM, 55 IPM which comes out to .0055 IPR since it's a single flute tool, .002" stepover, 2 hour cycle time!
@helicopterdriver2 ай бұрын
@@trevorgoforth8963 Faster than I thought it would be. Thanks!
@solotekle2999Ай бұрын
A thumbs up for the Ra value screenshot.
@mikebecker81412 ай бұрын
Interesting, very nice finish. What was the step over amount being used with that mill? Also how long was the cycle time?
@dadobojanic2 ай бұрын
0.002" stepover 2 hour finish
@astropilot20532 ай бұрын
how long was one run for the part?
@PrtclWavАй бұрын
Love watching your guys videos, always baller.
@alexnohaАй бұрын
Do you have a DMG MORI machine?
@markdavis304Ай бұрын
Great finish! Very nice!
@JohnBlaze505Ай бұрын
I wanna know the stepover. Looks amazing!
@somenygaard2 ай бұрын
What was that part for? Looked pretty weird, but super shiny.
@JamesChurchill32 ай бұрын
For KZbin.
@somenygaard2 ай бұрын
@@JamesChurchill3 Ah, makes sense
@hendrikholz39972 ай бұрын
Can you please visit an ultra high precision machining shop like NH Micro? Would be super interesting to see what they can do!
@EVILBUNNY28Ай бұрын
Still waiting for the day they make CVD sheets large enough for phone screens
@pbwho87462 ай бұрын
What are the cutting parameters? And do you have a link to the tool?
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
10K RPM, 55 IPM, .002" stepover. If you google Horn MCD tools you will find a brochure for all of their offerings, they have a ton for milling and turning.
@pbwho87462 ай бұрын
@@trevorgoforth8963 Thank you so much! We are using a couple of their tools in our Lathe's. We also have some jobs that require a better surface finish in PMMA and Aluminum. I will contact them to see if this could benefit the proces!
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
@@pbwho8746 I have a chart that provides recommended cutting data for a lot of different materials for this tool, I can send it to you if you want. We used it on PMMA and Aluminum and it worked great. There is a shot of the PMMA at 1:44. Reach out to me at trevor@titansofcnc.com and I can send you that chart!
@hedeisgoneАй бұрын
Hey bro what a name last 3d toolpath?
@eclipseslayer982 ай бұрын
I'd be willing to buy one of these machines and a diamond cutting bit for $12.49 and a ham sandwich. Might need some help with the shipping though.
@19_909KathanPrajapati2 ай бұрын
It has blown me too, An absolute luminous and glowy Component
@BudabaiiАй бұрын
I hope you took it out to dinner first.
@19_909KathanPrajapatiАй бұрын
@Budabaii No, I won't do that really, but If it was Fictitious I would have adhered on to it like topping on the metal cake
@philhawtin52692 ай бұрын
Why no feeds and speeds?
@shatter33732 ай бұрын
what are you cooling with?
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
Blaser Synergy 735
@alf3071Ай бұрын
it's amazing to think something transparent could be so strong
@universe12392 ай бұрын
Just wondering if you could achieve that finish on a steel with that tool?
@christobel2 ай бұрын
Not possible in steel. You will encounter a chemical wear in the MCD tool after about 5 seconds in the cut and your tool will be toast.
@universe1239Ай бұрын
@@christobel Thank you. Would there be a good way to achieve that finish on steel with any other tool. Maybe PCD?
@christobelАй бұрын
@@universe1239 Burnishing with a PCD, non-fluted ball mill, can provide very nice results in steels. Check out NS-Tool or 6C-Tools AG. They produce these types of “cutters”.
@jonathancarter66962 ай бұрын
Feed Rate and stepover?
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
55 IPM, .002” step over
@soaphelps2 ай бұрын
it would be interesting to see if you could make the primary mirror for a reflector telescope, say 10-12 inch and how it would look.
@Chauvin-r9uАй бұрын
Yes I made first surface optics on an old Cincinnati lathe lots of them. Diamond tooling then diamond film aluminum is not my go to for telescopes though. We were combining laser beams to smash hydrogen bubbles
@ScuffedEngineerАй бұрын
With the surface finish they got, it'd be at best a long wavelength IR telescope and not a great one at that depending on the wavelength. You're looking at lambda/10-40, not accounting for form error.
@klasjanzen1165Ай бұрын
In a job shop here that just went from hss to carbide a few years ago. Now I see this😢 let's just go home.
@yogeshkumar74022 ай бұрын
Mirror finish is wonderful technique
@markwilliams5654Ай бұрын
Will it cut stone like granite
@jml3327Ай бұрын
It's diamond. So....yes.😂
@christopherleubner6633Ай бұрын
This is where the seconds grade CVD diamonds go. They use them for precision tooling bits. MCD grown by CVD is basically flawless so it can take unbelivable punishment. The diamonds must be rough cut with lasers then polished to the final shape needed. As long as carbon wont readily absorb in the metal the chips will fly 😂❤
@cr500_conversionsАй бұрын
So wheels being machined wouldn't need polished?
@trevorgoforth8963Ай бұрын
Nope!
@mariocastilloistАй бұрын
Maybe you can get a better finish with a Rego-Fix PowrGrip holder easily
@William97864Ай бұрын
How expensive is a diamond mill like that, amazing finish was expected from that tooling
@rossadams94102 ай бұрын
this is wild trevor
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
Thanks dude! It was a fun video to make for sure!
@JzojzojzoАй бұрын
That is beautiful
@sethschneider9764Ай бұрын
How much is the tool tho
@olliebrown892 ай бұрын
How much was the tool?
@pyroherzpyroherz5331Ай бұрын
Ra a little under 8 surprises me. Thought it would perform better.
@unaffected_covid2 ай бұрын
Dat thang look like it's been dipped in Diddy's baby oil. 😳🔥🔥🔥
@sophonias58422 ай бұрын
I'm dead
@NXNC-br8rl2 ай бұрын
you should visit the IOF in Jena (Germany) .... its mind blowing what they are making ... the final metal mirror of the james webb telescope was machined there...
@rolandtamaccio32852 ай бұрын
Must have missed it , what is the material ,,, ?
@HiepTran-pv9zr2 ай бұрын
Aluminum
@vladimirmilutinovic805724 күн бұрын
Bravo !!!
@doc03022 ай бұрын
You should contact probe without rotating, it will probably be fine.
@kleindavid94168 күн бұрын
Yeah, with a cycle time like that I can hand polish it (its still cool)
@xTheZapperАй бұрын
I'm pretty sure nature can create diamonds instantly, a carbon meteor strike for example could do it in the instant of impact. I'd be willing to bet it actually happens pretty quickly underground too, you just need high pressure and temperature, both of which are always present in the centre of the Earth, but takes ages for them to surface.
@pand0ras2 ай бұрын
Correction here: You can absolute machine Iron with diamonds, as long it doesn't contain any carbon. Materials with carbon content will cause a diffusion at the cutting edge.
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
That’s false, you cannot use these tools on materials that contain iron.
@pand0rasАй бұрын
@@trevorgoforth8963 Why not? The only problem diamonds got is the diffusion of the carbon in materials like steel.
@deaftodd3 күн бұрын
Make a negative part and stack it to see if the seam line is gone.
@donniehinske2 ай бұрын
I still can’t wrap my head around how something clear can cut metal
@Renegade484452 ай бұрын
What was his step over, tool dia? Mastercam or solidcam?
An Ra value of 7.79 with this surface quality makes me doubt your competence. This is certainly below Ra 0.4 You should maybe set up a curve filter ;) Great Finish btw
@dejanvanevski43992 ай бұрын
Good job
@BudabaiiАй бұрын
I know nothing about machining. But I think it's safe to assume that a mirror finish right out of the machine is impressive. 40k feels affordable, as well.
@hummmingbirdie2 ай бұрын
Finish is beautiful, and the tool very exotic, but a buffing wheel and a little elbow grease may be much cheaper. Works on steel too!
@StevenWernerCSАй бұрын
make and inverse and then they should seal together seamlessly
@abdulltifalnuaimi2 ай бұрын
Can you ship? These machines to the UAE. 0:01
@kazenostroАй бұрын
Looks expensive and like another dream
@Krishell2 ай бұрын
Nice
@supremecommander23982 ай бұрын
oh, a real mirror finish... looks great... or somehow, even though i have 4K screen, and watching it at 4K resolution... i get the impression you're cameras are not at the same level as those machines or tools. would it be possible to get a closeup shot, in focus, without DOF or motion blurr for more then a single frame? (not just this, video, but in general that is).
@mobilePCreviews2 ай бұрын
7.79ra surface finish, that should tell you what you need to know.
@packapunchburger2 ай бұрын
Eh , you get what you're given.
@clapanse2 ай бұрын
@@mobilePCreviews Which, it's worth mentioning, isn't *really* a true optical grade mirror finish, but it is more than good enough to appear pretty damn shiny and smooth in person.
@pyktryk9903Ай бұрын
Only show. One part one day. Try this in production company.
@Rimrock300Ай бұрын
as anyone are in any doubt this is a demo show...?? :) It's only purpose is to show what theoretically can be done with the machine, it does not at all try to demo 'efficient prodution'.
@jayaneyon93162 ай бұрын
Crazy how $38k means it's a cheap one in this context
@jones73992 ай бұрын
its a cool finish, but why keep mentioning the cost of the machine you used it in?
@trevorgoforth89632 ай бұрын
I was just impressed that you can achieve this finish with a machine that is only 40K
@turbo2ltrАй бұрын
because they sell them.
@AlchemyOfTheFourthKindАй бұрын
Graphene* 0:50
@yashasvi_handaАй бұрын
Groovy metal boing boing
@jayk73672 ай бұрын
Jo horn kann was....gutes werkzeug😊
@ipadize2 ай бұрын
looks shiny
@Ron-hj1or2 ай бұрын
Perfect, lets make it “made in the USA”
@Forssa123 күн бұрын
Fact: women love diamonds for their wide range of industrial applications.
@PaulG.3692 ай бұрын
Your Haimer is off by a .001
@kingofherdazАй бұрын
That could be game changing for mold making. How much do these tools cost?
@tilakchandra73932 ай бұрын
This Machine used in Die mould or Production.
@jasonklabunde64152 ай бұрын
Kinda funny when you talked about making more parts in America when your using foreign made machining equipment.
@TITANSofCNC2 ай бұрын
All major shops use foreign made machines because America doesn’t make high end machines. Our #1 customer is 10 yr machinist who are opening a machine shop to make American made parts… only because they can now afford it… because of a low cost very nice CNC.