Pushing CNC Machining Past Failure | 800 IPM | Kennametal

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@osuna3525
@osuna3525 6 жыл бұрын
(Spindle talking to Aluminium): *Bite the vice, i'm going in dry*
@BrandonBurns1985
@BrandonBurns1985 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@trevorlahti569
@trevorlahti569 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@s3ntin3l60
@s3ntin3l60 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂....how long to come up with this gold?
@beatbox20fmj
@beatbox20fmj 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao, top comment.
@hksoundpro
@hksoundpro 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Pondimus_Maximus
@Pondimus_Maximus 6 жыл бұрын
Haas Spindle: “Why do you hate me?”
@zombieresponder
@zombieresponder 4 жыл бұрын
"Because you're a HAAS."
@maratmasssa6768
@maratmasssa6768 3 жыл бұрын
nothing personal just business
@goldman7267
@goldman7267 3 жыл бұрын
Haas deserves just as much hate as their customers receive from them.
@69deleteSystem32
@69deleteSystem32 5 ай бұрын
@@goldman7267 why though?
@DarcyJCurrey
@DarcyJCurrey 7 жыл бұрын
IPM looks cool. When it comes to roughing, it's MRR (Material Removal Rate) which counts. The customer pays for the finish cut. You make money on the roughing cut!
@kentvandervelden
@kentvandervelden 7 жыл бұрын
That's a great point!
@joshuawentworth7426
@joshuawentworth7426 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly this. You passed the MRR of the 800 IPM (inches per minute) cut with 1.5 in. WOC (width of cut) all the way back at 450 IPM with the 2.7 in. WOC.
@jayclose1945
@jayclose1945 6 жыл бұрын
Ya make your time roughing, ya take your time finishing:)
@SuicideKang
@SuicideKang 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe true but power milling is hard on your tools and your machine. I can turn an endmill into a ball mill and still finish the job before I’m even aware of it with high speed machining. My parts come out flatter and my walls are straight within tenths. Aaaaaannd I don’t have to tighten the crap out of my delicate part. Power milling has proven to be faster for sure but when that tool breaks, your holder is damaged and that part is scrapped hsm will have put more money in your pocket from said customer. Unless you have a spare tool in the carriage and the part hasn’t moved and verified it hasn’t. A continuously running hsm program will leave you behind and give you over 3 times the tool life.
@SuicideKang
@SuicideKang 5 жыл бұрын
A high speed machining rough cut is practically good enough to pass as a finish cut. Your finish cuts should be even faster because of chip thinning
@steedspeedturbo
@steedspeedturbo 6 жыл бұрын
I use a different approach. I set up my machines to run as many parts as possible. I bought a brand new, gorgeous VF5XT last year and I fill the 60 x 26 travel with parts. this gives me a 9 hour run time with tool reliability. I can run the machine during the day and then get another run in at night. Maybe I could push it harder but as its lights out machining with nobody at the shop I'm happy with a program that is reliable and doesn't break tools.. ever.
@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a good approach to alot of small parts, but big parts or ones where you need 4 or 5 ops for completion, it isnt doable.
@fryer05maverick31
@fryer05maverick31 4 жыл бұрын
I'm in business to make money, not the tool supplier money. ( I tell my guys that all the time )
@forloop7713
@forloop7713 4 жыл бұрын
Cool approach, will remember for when I'm finished building my wooden diy cnc
@whywouldyoucareaboutmyname6610
@whywouldyoucareaboutmyname6610 3 жыл бұрын
Here I am 2 weeks into Precision Machining classes and I'm reading OP's comment like "Wasn't one of the first things they said in the safety course and safety tests, to not ever leave a CNC running unattended, and to keep an eye on the entire process"? Lol
@peterdwyer4609
@peterdwyer4609 3 жыл бұрын
Hear that..thats how we do it too
@derfacecrafter1869
@derfacecrafter1869 5 жыл бұрын
This coukd be a new sport discipline. CNC Drag Racing
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 5 жыл бұрын
Cool Right:-)
@Assasimon5599
@Assasimon5599 5 жыл бұрын
Haha nice one :D Haas vs DMG :P
@JF32304
@JF32304 5 жыл бұрын
😂
@teewadleyiii4433
@teewadleyiii4433 5 жыл бұрын
Lmfao!
@bmxscape
@bmxscape 5 жыл бұрын
that actually sounds like a cool idea, people try to make their machines the fastest and compete for a prize. kinda like those chainsaw competitions where they gotta cut through a log as fast as they can 3 times or whatever, just with metal and big azz cnc machines. ok the guy with the sawzall can come too
@Ghost00117
@Ghost00117 6 жыл бұрын
It's not about how fast you mow. It's how well you mow fast.
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 6 жыл бұрын
Gotta Push it... Relax it... then Kiss It. SpaceX doesn’t complain
@MrEtronic
@MrEtronic 4 жыл бұрын
@@TITANSofCNC just looking out for you here, you might want to delete this . confidentiality agreements and what not.
@AndrewMerts
@AndrewMerts 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrEtronic It's a 2 year old comment. If it was going to be an issue, it's a bit late now.
@ThumbDr
@ThumbDr 4 жыл бұрын
Elisha Robin you’re a moron
@floridaman3026
@floridaman3026 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThumbDr real original
@Apathymiller
@Apathymiller 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta say i was amazed at the surface finish at 700 ipm without coolant. Absolutely amazing.
@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154
@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154 7 жыл бұрын
Hey , just a thought , If you back off radial another 1.5" , you could go a bazillion ipm.
@delano62
@delano62 7 жыл бұрын
Very true, And that would prove, ipm isn't always the answer.
@obi-wankenobi9871
@obi-wankenobi9871 6 жыл бұрын
Just what I though.
@jackgal4673
@jackgal4673 6 жыл бұрын
Eiserntors Phantom of the Opera
@sammybobammy891
@sammybobammy891 6 жыл бұрын
METAL REMOVAL RATE. volume over time.
@matthewpigott5568
@matthewpigott5568 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting, never once that I have seen does he mention CIH...going fast looks cool. King of roughing ..wonder what he finishes at. Or what is acceptable for tolerance variance.
@troyvinyard255
@troyvinyard255 7 жыл бұрын
Eat Easy to push it on aluminium. Show me the boundaries on 300 or 400 series steel. I'm curious.
@prasad123yadav
@prasad123yadav 6 жыл бұрын
300 and 400 series needs some gentle loving by the tool😆😆😆😆. We all know what happens when you try to push the envelope with 300 and 400 series. Tool life goes haywire!!!!.
@gokugohan9000
@gokugohan9000 5 жыл бұрын
I wanna see it on carbide
@Chevydevil
@Chevydevil 5 жыл бұрын
Let's see them cut inconel
@seanoneill1982
@seanoneill1982 5 жыл бұрын
@@Chevydevil incolnel good, but better yet is mars
@fryer05maverick31
@fryer05maverick31 4 жыл бұрын
See it on some D2
@rodidy
@rodidy 6 жыл бұрын
The cost study on new inserts, tooling, and machine wear vs. 1 minute saved on cycle time. Marathon vs the sprint.
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 6 жыл бұрын
We save way more than 1 min and Crush the competition when it comes to bidding. Rough Hard and then Kiss it... for the Win.
@FredFlintstone21
@FredFlintstone21 6 жыл бұрын
@@TITANSofCNC We rough hard too. Inserts last through alot more parts. Interesting how sometimes you're at 60 hrs for the week, YOU (well me anyways) DONT WANT TO WORK SATURDAY, double the feed rates, get it done, and see ya'all Monday! 😉👍
@e23561
@e23561 4 жыл бұрын
Lol and then there's me who has to run the same part 24/6 for 5 years so this kind of nonsense is idiotic unless I want phone calls at 2 am from a production guy who only knows how to put another tool in and blow it up too. In mass production cycle time is even more important than for the jobshop guys, every single second is counted. Including those you spend flipping the inserts every 3 cuts.
@rodidy
@rodidy 4 жыл бұрын
@@e23561 they completely missed the point I made about machine wear. Trying to normalize apparent machine abuse is a desperate grab at youtube views. @e23561, good point about downtime as well
@jenspetersen5865
@jenspetersen5865 4 жыл бұрын
@@rodidy Is it your experience that tools and machine has substantially more wear PER PART if you run fast vs slow? I would assume that on the spindle ex - it would be a very hard, expensive and time consuming study to make. It seems like a lot of parts are unnessacarily expensive due to slow processes, and as with anything backing 10% off the max. is probably a lot more durable than backing 2% off, but the difference between 50% and 90% is likely miniscule in wear.
@sparkyy0007
@sparkyy0007 5 жыл бұрын
When your chips are thicker than depth of cut...Lol
@Barabbas7798
@Barabbas7798 3 жыл бұрын
For real
@shxpsixcreative4318
@shxpsixcreative4318 6 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel... This is every $10hr, employees wet dream 😅 tear shit up
@crane550
@crane550 5 жыл бұрын
"Today we are going to ram our beautiful F350 into a concrete well just to see how much these trucks can take..."
@JackS425
@JackS425 3 жыл бұрын
i mean thats whistlin diesels entire channel
@bluehandsvideo
@bluehandsvideo 7 жыл бұрын
I'm still pretty much a newb, so I'm curious why the coolant wasn't turned on for the original 2.7" step over.
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 7 жыл бұрын
I know my machine pretty well and wanted to run it for as long as possible with no coolant... simply because I wanted to have a clear view on camera of the cutter actually cutting. Just for Camera - Not recommended.
@bluehandsvideo
@bluehandsvideo 7 жыл бұрын
I thought that might be the reason. It's one of the reasons I prefer mist on mine.......but I only have 2hp.....so I'm on a completely different playing fields. lol Thanks for the response!! Thank you for everything you are sharing with the rest of us! Mike
@bluehandsvideo
@bluehandsvideo 7 жыл бұрын
I thought that might be the reason. It's one of the reasons I prefer mist on mine.......but I only have 2hp.....so I'm on a completely different playing fields. lol Thanks for the response!! Thank you for everything you are sharing with the rest of us! Mike
@ATK2112
@ATK2112 7 жыл бұрын
Richie Bhoy yeah but they'd shame themselves by making dumb remarks like that....
@damianbutterworth2434
@damianbutterworth2434 7 жыл бұрын
I run a HASS 5 at work with steel parts and just use coolant when drilling. We just use compressed air when milling. The boss says that the tips we use are designed to be run dry so that`s what we have to do. Don`t really know if it`s right as the place is a bit weird lol.
@smythdiana9371
@smythdiana9371 7 жыл бұрын
If you never break a tool, you'll never know how fast you can go
@atmosphericpressure3560
@atmosphericpressure3560 7 жыл бұрын
Smyth Diana True. We have to err on the side of caution. I cant go to my boss with a destroyed $800 facemill. I just cant. This was awesome because it is something we all want to try.
@LD-qj2te
@LD-qj2te 6 жыл бұрын
Smyth Diana that ridiculous . It’s alll science . Understand sfm chip load materials and tools
@boldee101
@boldee101 5 жыл бұрын
@bobwatters Indeed, and that does not qualify them as machinists, manual machines are still needed to back up CNC and if you don't have the skill you are in trouble.
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan 5 жыл бұрын
0.0 IPM, 0.00 RPM, I accidentally pressed release tool button. 8mm endmill disappeared . So you know you don't have to go fast :))
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 6 жыл бұрын
I want to see 800 in inconel.
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 6 жыл бұрын
Me too... Sparks
@SchrottiJr
@SchrottiJr 6 жыл бұрын
Cermet inserts on a lathe. No problem. Makes up for a nice set of firecrackers.
@stonecraft745
@stonecraft745 6 жыл бұрын
Wow a feedrate
@rileysmith3118
@rileysmith3118 6 жыл бұрын
Just go .100 deep, then back off about .101
@icewaterslim7260
@icewaterslim7260 3 жыл бұрын
I always wanted somebody to sneak into WESTEC with some Inconel and swap the leadloy out for it in somebody's demo.
@nonamernobrainer846
@nonamernobrainer846 3 жыл бұрын
Why so many dislikes?? These dudes are out there breaking expensive machinery on purpose! Here's my like and my subscription!
@usuariu1024
@usuariu1024 3 жыл бұрын
Because you can literally figure this out doing the math with a catalogue without breaking anything
@felixbender2041
@felixbender2041 4 жыл бұрын
i started my cnc-carreer about 1,5 years ago with lathe turning... my colleauges called me crazy for roughing aluminum with stainless-steel-inserts at doc 5mm f .5mm v 500m/min :D i just started introducing high power inserts for roughing, pushing productivity by +300% - +800% depending on material and possibility to get good grip ;-) love your show, PeacE :D
@taxalterror
@taxalterror 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Am so glad I have finished work, I had to work on VF3 and VF6,since 1992. plus old M/C in which I prefer . Have fun, I used to program and operate, they always wanted more..UK England,
@comictrio
@comictrio 7 жыл бұрын
You didn't show the surface finish after each pass? Also, how well did the inserts hold up under the extreme load?
@fireblade9549
@fireblade9549 6 жыл бұрын
Put a larger diameter cutter in an go at less than 50% width of cut, that way the cutter is always climb milling and reducing the force.
@SkyzzV_
@SkyzzV_ 4 жыл бұрын
Makes no sense if you want to go fast... larger diameter = slower
@shiro-r4m
@shiro-r4m 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video and I learnt a thing or two. The only thing I don't understand is why the emphasis is put on feed rate while there are more variables contributing to material removal. Making money with a machine means removing volume as quickly as possible, which would mean cubic inches per minute. The 600ipm pass at a 2.7" stepover was 126 cubic inches per minute The 800ipm pass at a 1.5" stepover was 120 cubic inches per minute BUT with reduced spindle load What I would suggest in search for a metal-hogging recipe is to be at full depth of cut, keep the maximum feed rate and play with the stepover. The reason being, you're paying for big inserts but only use .1 inch of the tip. Any thoughts?
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 7 жыл бұрын
2.7 was definitely a higher HP also... My point was not to bury the tool but just to show everyone the tool could handle a lot... so don't be scared to experiment. My normal feed as seen the the spark plug video is 300-500IPM at Z-.2 which gives me a nice MRR.
@TravisHammeng
@TravisHammeng 7 жыл бұрын
𝖘 𝖍 𝖎 𝖗 𝖔 you're right a more complete doc would use the insert more efficiently. Though generally a tool of that size your probably using more for facing style cuts, not so much mass MMR, there's more suitable tools for that
@steedspeedturbo
@steedspeedturbo 6 жыл бұрын
I cut mild steel every day with sandvick r.390 inserts. One thing I've found to save the cutters and inserts is to either be above the screw or below it. Having the cutting pressure concentrated at the thinnest part of the insert leads to inserts breaking. Best strategy is at 1/3 of insert or 2/3. I cut at 40 ipm with 1 inch sandvick and .5 depth of cut using air through tool on my HAAS VF5 XT. Btw, I've been machining since 1980 and the HAAS is the best machine I've ever used. Yes, I've owned Makino, Matsuura etc. HAAS wipes the floor with them.
@svk1324
@svk1324 6 жыл бұрын
You should try some DMG, Mori Seiki or Hermle Machines. Those wipe the floor with anything else you know.
@Mattyjayw
@Mattyjayw 6 жыл бұрын
"HAAS is the best machine I've ever used" haha
@randyhaight7202
@randyhaight7202 6 жыл бұрын
Are you really gaining ground though? Pushing to 800 is great, but if you're reducing your radial to do it, is it worth it? Especially considering wear on the machine? Great video though, thanks.
@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 4 жыл бұрын
They real machinists calculate their Material Removal Rate vs their chip load.
@swikocki
@swikocki 7 жыл бұрын
Nice More positive inserts play a massive difference in spindle load also. Can often increase cutting date this way and also reduce load.
@BoxOfGod
@BoxOfGod 4 жыл бұрын
For me usually is the workholding that limits the speeds. I can dial in the numbers even larger MRR than that in video but either there's too little material to hold on or poor selection of vises at the moment. Eitherway it costs money better known as opportunity cost. Proper tools always pays off in time and only thing that you can't replace is time so that will always be the most expensive thing in any shop.
@DethWshBkr
@DethWshBkr 6 жыл бұрын
So how was the cut on the 500, 600, 700, fpm no coolant runs? As a non-machinist, I'm curious to see how much snipe or chatter there was on the (Y?) axis end of the material. I assume the Z was rough as well. (X?) went through on all but the last pass, so there was nothing to see there. (Not sure if the X was the plate motion, or if the Y was, but I'm assuming X based on the load factor on the screen)
@Eggsr2bcrushed
@Eggsr2bcrushed 7 жыл бұрын
Nothing against Haas, but you get what you pay for. This is a 40 taper machine and that little spindle just doesn't have gobs of torque like a geared 50 taper with 35+ HP. Bigger machine would also have sturdy box ways and a design that is simply more geared towards beating the shit out of it.
@atomiclizzard288
@atomiclizzard288 7 жыл бұрын
I agree for the most part, Haas machines are cheap but they're very economical. my old shop had a high end Mori, it was a kick ass machine but had a lot of problems and had to be fixed often. My new shop has a vision wide which is a cheap Korean machine, it is really powerful; 55hp and a crap ton of torque but its maxed out at 7000rpm.
@pro-seriesfabrication3810
@pro-seriesfabrication3810 7 жыл бұрын
A CAT40 taper, linear guide machine is NOT made for old school/box-way hogging. "High speed machining" works because linear guides wear less overtime than boxways and typically the feed rate/rapids are higher on the machine due to the smaller amount of friction. My box way fadal is maxed out at 200ipm. Over that and not only can the processor not keep up, it drains the way oil with a quickness. It's like complaining about not getting your corvette to trailer 10,000lbs loads.
@Bman-xy2vh
@Bman-xy2vh 6 жыл бұрын
Eggs you're wrong vf6 model is a 50 taper machine.
@dietermeyer9231
@dietermeyer9231 6 жыл бұрын
Vlad The Impaler: The machine in this video is a #40-taper and according to Haas homepage the VF-6 is also a #40-taper.
@S0ulinth3machin3
@S0ulinth3machin3 6 жыл бұрын
you can get Haas VF-5 or VF-6 at either 40 or 50 taper. It depends upon the individual machine.
@FredFlintstone21
@FredFlintstone21 6 жыл бұрын
We just got the same ngc control in (2018 haas vf5xt). I noticed your chip load you see on the screen is reading correctly as a 4 flute cutter. So far I just programmed tool length and dia of tool . Looks like there is more for me to add (# of flutes)
@horizontaljumper1991
@horizontaljumper1991 7 жыл бұрын
That was awesome! Would love to see a comparison of the finishes for each cut too.
@Mr.Che113
@Mr.Che113 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Just wanted to know if you changed the inserts for every pass?
@wilkoslavakia
@wilkoslavakia 7 жыл бұрын
Man that was smoking, a good job good results and good to see Stuart predicted correctly the outcome at them settings :)
@juliogalindo5227
@juliogalindo5227 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your effort to teach. Please let me understand better about the "sweet spot point" This point is between 80'to 100% of spindel load?
@codymartin4771
@codymartin4771 7 жыл бұрын
I loved this! As an apprentice machinist this guy can show me da way... haha awesome keep up the CNC videos! coming from washington state! The future must hold more machinists!! lets go!
@wilecatrexy
@wilecatrexy 6 жыл бұрын
The coolant made the most difference I'm sure.
@donparker8246
@donparker8246 3 жыл бұрын
Adding the coolant,I bet, made a difference. I wonder what would've happened if you increased the spindle speed?
@h2opower
@h2opower 7 жыл бұрын
You da man! That is some scary stuff you just did and pulled it off nicely. Since I work with mostly plastic, aluminum, and stainless steel to me this is very impressive. I hope one day I can make it to just half way to what you know about cutting stuff. Keep up the great work as you are an inspiration to a lot of us just starting in on machining.
@freekingawwsome
@freekingawwsome 3 жыл бұрын
ive got to be the biggest viewer i come back and watch this often .
@GenXPessimist
@GenXPessimist 7 жыл бұрын
Cutting your MRR by 25% to get to 800ipm, thats not epic manufacturing, thats an epic fail.
@pharaun159
@pharaun159 7 жыл бұрын
Christian Forthofer i worked with a programmer like this. Run crazy speeds, pop the program in, and walk away. Then get pissed we you bitched that you were changing tools every 15 min. $100 in turning inserts by the end of the night with only 0% increase in production because of all the downtime rebuilding tools that failed early.
@markerickson7498
@markerickson7498 7 жыл бұрын
LOL technically a little MORE silly video showing how to do it the wrong way and HURT production AND Tool life at the same time
@thundercactus
@thundercactus 6 жыл бұрын
@@pharaun159 LOL I had a "programmer" come in on a weekend with me, turns out we were programming the same part. His took 2.5hrs and used a 6" long R390 to do most of the roughing, 45 minutes on one tool. You actually had to stop in process, change inserts, and restart from the beginning of the tool. My whole program took 45min and you could actually run it without breaking a tool. He was one of those guys that graduated the machinist course and thought he was a programmer worth $26/hr.
@DavidJohnson-rd5wy
@DavidJohnson-rd5wy 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah...I've worked for an owner like this..crank the piss out of it and in 304 or 316 ss, make it through one or two like a hero and walk away for u to inevitably have a crash later...not his fingernails getting chewed....prick
@rayrocha4189
@rayrocha4189 5 жыл бұрын
by my crude calculations 2.7 x .1 x 444 ipm = 120cu in per min. 1.5 x .1 x 800 = 120cu in per min. also I would say that the tool can handle it just fine, the machine taps out.
@chaddanylak8706
@chaddanylak8706 5 жыл бұрын
at collage I try to push the haas mini mill to it limit, it got a 6000rpm 5.6kw spindle(7.5hp) I then got it running at 7500 mm/m feedrate which is about 300ipm, I then chickhen out as the spindel is reach over 8.9kw(8.9)
@junoguten
@junoguten 7 жыл бұрын
You're positive the sudden large load and smoke isn't from the tool rubbing behind/after each insert?
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan 7 жыл бұрын
It's amazing to see the limits of a machine , but in real life application , this is too scary. Over 400 it really gets out of hand , if something breaks , even "only" 200 brings your hearth rate up :D . Now i wanna see some super high feed turning even if it's just aluminium . (parameters like .1 radial depth , feed .05"/rev , and cutting speed about 6000SFM)
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 7 жыл бұрын
You must not have watched it til the end...
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan 7 жыл бұрын
i did , but that is just too much for the machine . so what about pushing turning to the limit ?
@codypodevels9145
@codypodevels9145 7 жыл бұрын
Kiss peter that is the reason the shop I work at loses money, one guy runs and saves aggressive money making programs the next guy "ooo that's too much" and drops feeds and speeds by 50% and burns up tooling
@xenonram
@xenonram 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much of a difference it would have made if you were conventional milling, rather than climb milling, on the original 2.7" step over. When you were on the 600 & 700 passes, it had that big wall that may have messed with chip evacuation. (P.S. I am NOT a machinist. So if that's an absolutely stupid observation and query, forgive me.) Also, I would like to see a video of milling with & without coolant. For example, if you did the *exact* same cuts with coolant and without coolant. Maybe with a parametric graph with the spindle load % & kw, HP, and surface footage. So we could see whether or not the coolant makes an appreciable difference, or any statistically significant difference at all. Maybe even one comparing MQL, mist, HP vs LP flood coolant, WD-40, brushed on cutting style lube like the old school guys use on the manual machines, etc.
@GRTLRS
@GRTLRS 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool test. 162 in³/min @ 600ipm is more than I expected it would do. Those Stellram cutters are very nice. Do you know how low the rpms dropped on that 600ipm pass? When can we expect a test in steel? :)
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 7 жыл бұрын
I am going to start testing a lot of tools in different materials and machines. This will be a regular feature : Tools of Domination.
@cecilkellyjr
@cecilkellyjr 7 жыл бұрын
Yes we want to see you break shit!!
@LucasFAN2006
@LucasFAN2006 7 жыл бұрын
What about the finished surface at this amazing parameter? Have you documented it?
@ydna
@ydna 7 жыл бұрын
A good test for the machine. If you're up to doing this again, drop the spindle speed to 9k-10k, since it will increase the available torque by about 60% (specifically at 9krpm). The chipload will shoot through the friggen roof at 800 IPM @ 9krpm, but hey that's what the test is for :)
@astaschak
@astaschak 6 жыл бұрын
I actually just did this today on my 1996 or 7 VF-6. I was running a similar style high feed face mill on some large 7000 series parts. 7500rpm (max for the machine it's old) at 150ipm 2"step over on a 3 inch shell @ .05doc. Spindle load floated around 100% I was getting fluffy hard to clean out chips. The auger didn't like them...haas... I dropped the rpm down to 5000rpm and everthing else the same. Load went down to 60% so I said ok, more feed? I went up to 240ipm, .05 doc, 5500rpm at 85-90% load. So my mrr went up 62% if i figure right, I got better chips, and didn't kill the machine. So I dropped all my other tools from 7500 that I was using down around 5000-5500 and almost doubled all my feed rates for the milling operations and now the parts are coming out roughly 75% faster. It makes sense thinking about it too. So for hogging I wont be maxing out my spindle, machine just falls flat on its face.
@beccabeme
@beccabeme 7 жыл бұрын
20.3 metres a minute is certainly travelling. What RPM were you running? What grade aluminium were you using? Material has a big bearing. Insert geometry also has an influence. All machining is a lot of trade offs between speed, tool use, wear and number of operations in a job. The rapid traverse rates and speed of tool change also can have a bearing in time taken. Would be interested in seeing this performed on steel tho.
@ripleybrown8075
@ripleybrown8075 4 жыл бұрын
Cool vid. but need to know rated power of spindle and chipload per flute as well as chipload per revolution! how many revolutions per min? gotta know stuff but cool vid either way!
@ChefRex
@ChefRex 4 жыл бұрын
B.e.a.utiful. I just bought a Stellram for my shop, they put me in charge of CNC machining, programming, tooling. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. The old guys love their 20-30ipm. I showed them the Stellram today took it up to 600ipm today.
@cncrim1
@cncrim1 6 жыл бұрын
The video show you fast the thing cut but doesn't show you tool life comparision, the over all money ratio to profit at the end.
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 6 жыл бұрын
You must not have watched the end. I simply was showing the the tool can outlast the machine so don’t be scared and then backed it off and said 400 was the sweet spot We run at 400 all the time and never have issues at all...
@chrisbowen1987
@chrisbowen1987 6 жыл бұрын
What does "stepping in at -2.700 radial" mean? What does the "radial" parameter mean?
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 6 жыл бұрын
Just that the tool is 3.0” and 2.7 is engaged in material cutting.
@paul-tx5tt
@paul-tx5tt 5 жыл бұрын
i assume you used the same side of the inserts for all the tests? there was probably build up on the inserts once you got to the high IPM
@illumiNOTme326
@illumiNOTme326 6 жыл бұрын
Could you try this same experiment with nitrogen cooling the cutter?
@5473572
@5473572 6 жыл бұрын
This kind of experimentation is fun when you have the time to play like that. I"m curious, when you hit 600 IPM, what was the chip load per tooth?
@shawnlentz6821
@shawnlentz6821 2 жыл бұрын
Assuming a 12k spindle and 5 inserts the chip load was . 01 per insert per rev
@martynfrench6535
@martynfrench6535 4 жыл бұрын
Man,turn the quill on. What a crack up. Great demo thanks.😁
@raptor50trex
@raptor50trex 6 жыл бұрын
Holy shit that was insane I've never seen anyone push a machine that hard before!!
@raptor50trex
@raptor50trex 6 жыл бұрын
I work in maintenance so this made me cringe lol
@ImranImran-wi5dh
@ImranImran-wi5dh 6 жыл бұрын
Nice nob there , in my experience the sweet spot is a resonating sound that feels like music to the ears. When you hear it you automatically get to know that neither the spindle nor the tool is bearing any abuse. I work in millimetres and using 45 kw spindles , 22000 RPM a feedrate of 7000 - 8000 mm/min , and depth of cut 4-5 mm it feels like and orchestra . With smaller tools 3mm depth of cut is better and safer. Whats your spindle power and torque ?
@ajayraut3913
@ajayraut3913 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, thanks for uploading I want Type3 Software, do u have it?
@paulmilligan1808
@paulmilligan1808 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Titan what would happen if you made a cutter body or bought one that can hold 5 or even 6 inserts I bet you could even go faster bring down your chip load by adding inserts....
@TR-sg9jc
@TR-sg9jc 7 жыл бұрын
if you get a holder that has 5 or even 6 inserts you could actually run the spindle ccw. Or atleast in theory...
@wwiijjii
@wwiijjii 7 жыл бұрын
The inserts are still facing the same way, how could you go ccw?
@joelsefur666
@joelsefur666 7 жыл бұрын
You'd bust them off
@charris942
@charris942 7 жыл бұрын
ccw?
@peters_z
@peters_z 7 жыл бұрын
Ccw counterclockwise... running it backwards
@bigbob1699
@bigbob1699 6 жыл бұрын
Do your machines come with body armor for the operators ?
@coreyshoultz8123
@coreyshoultz8123 4 жыл бұрын
Titan what do you think about Walter mills?
@chrismechanic2000
@chrismechanic2000 3 жыл бұрын
wow, im surprised the surface finish was still very good at that high feed rate, great vid guys.
@m1k3d0n1
@m1k3d0n1 7 жыл бұрын
How much effect do you have in your spindle? Sometimes we just hit machine limit before tool limit.
@prasaddesai9151
@prasaddesai9151 5 жыл бұрын
Sir , can you please suggest me the best but economical 100mm Dia milling cutter with insert specifications for Aluminium alloy having 10% of silicon...I'm waiting for your reply, thank you Currently I'm using SDHT04
@poly_hexamethyl
@poly_hexamethyl 6 жыл бұрын
5:18 What happened? Did the machine not have enough power to keep turning the tool at that feed rate?
@sammybobammy891
@sammybobammy891 6 жыл бұрын
controls will only take a certain spindle load for a period of time until they cut off for safety. for example, 130% for 3 min, 200% for 30 sec, 300% for 5 sec, etc.
@BaitELFann
@BaitELFann 7 жыл бұрын
Your an epic man and amazing .... inspiring and brave .... nice demo and its a great tuturial who understood what were you doing ....
@sinformant
@sinformant 7 жыл бұрын
A couple questions, what grade was the aluminum, and did you step up the spindle speed when every increase of feed rate, or did you run the spindle speed the same rpm for every test?
@delano62
@delano62 7 жыл бұрын
6061 is what he said at the end.
@esm2020
@esm2020 5 жыл бұрын
Hello.What is Your Best Insert for Monell Welding Interroupted Cut For a Lathe ? THANKS.
@johndoe-bw6pj
@johndoe-bw6pj 5 жыл бұрын
Is this aluminum or aluminium? Can't tell.
@thegadsdensnake408
@thegadsdensnake408 7 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that you did not want to enter the cut right at half the cutter diameter, because it is the weakest part of the cut for the insert. For example enter the cut at 1.6" or 1.4" I could be wrong
@aaronjay4896
@aaronjay4896 6 жыл бұрын
Have to love the variables, from a parametric programmer👽
@taurinetrashmann259
@taurinetrashmann259 6 жыл бұрын
Hey can someone direct me to a place where I can buy aluminum like that? I’m not a machinist and I don’t have access to tooling equipment (sadly), but I DO need aluminum for metal casting, and seeing that much aluminum being shredded to bits is slightly infuriating tbh
@windowlickerpaintbal
@windowlickerpaintbal 6 жыл бұрын
have you tried googling "metal distributors" ? or if you're looking for a low volume of metal and want to make it simple check out mcmaster carr ( mcmaster.com )
@sbeprecisionproducts6729
@sbeprecisionproducts6729 5 жыл бұрын
The Fadal I was running yesterday cant even rapid at 800 IPM more like 700 ipm rapid at most. This is crazy stuff.
@gman5986
@gman5986 6 жыл бұрын
What is the best software or application for calculating speeds and feeds for cnc machining?
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 6 жыл бұрын
NOVO from Kennemetal is Great
@gman5986
@gman5986 6 жыл бұрын
@@TITANSofCNC Thanks Titan.........Amazing Response Time. All the best to you in 2019!
@sierrabravo7368
@sierrabravo7368 2 жыл бұрын
but I could make the machine work faster by increasing the depth of cut so what do I do make it machine slower with a deeper cut or make the machine work faster? or some combination of the 2?
@maxsmith2320
@maxsmith2320 6 жыл бұрын
very nice tutorials, i watch almost all of them
@carlossalvadormoralesjuare7037
@carlossalvadormoralesjuare7037 7 жыл бұрын
Titan, bearing into the spindle going to be affected? This was interesting test!!
@Sonicman1352
@Sonicman1352 3 жыл бұрын
I would've liked to see some chip analysis on this, just to see what kinda chips are breaking across the board at the different feeds.
@joandar1
@joandar1 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see this demo on alloy. I would like to see the result if you had tried to do fast speed (ipm) before you had reduced the height with previous cuts. More leverage on part, that would be interesting! Cheers from John, Australia.
@automan1223
@automan1223 7 жыл бұрын
Titan, while finding the sweet spot on any machine is the key to productivity I have this feeling that you wont be happy and you want to make a machine that can actually do 1000 ipm no matter what material you put in its vise !!
@Keithhenagan
@Keithhenagan 6 жыл бұрын
When Haas and Kennemetal give you your stuff, I would rag it out too
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 6 жыл бұрын
I have been machining like this from day 1 in building my shop and that’s why I have been successful... because I solve my customers problems. You should check my last Vlog on last Friday when I tell the story of starting my shop and sleeping their so I could run machines 24/7. What I have is because I risked it all and put the work in.
@jayant_muchandikar
@jayant_muchandikar 6 жыл бұрын
Can yu please tell me whats the best insert i can get to machine cast iron RA VALUE SHOULD BE LESS THEN 3.2
@carolshawol6699
@carolshawol6699 5 жыл бұрын
Were does all that smoke come from the inserts or aluminum?
@Tinkle1
@Tinkle1 4 жыл бұрын
The heat alone, it condenses water from the air
@ThePointlessBox_
@ThePointlessBox_ 4 жыл бұрын
coolant
@kjamesjr
@kjamesjr 5 жыл бұрын
The inserts were smoked at 500. Coolant is the make it or break it at these feeds and speeds.
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 5 жыл бұрын
Not really... inserts were fine. Machine drew the limits not the inserts
@tompayton6778
@tompayton6778 5 жыл бұрын
try that in D-2 and I might be impressed, you can do the same with high speed tooling in aluminum
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 5 жыл бұрын
:-)
@anthonyrb20
@anthonyrb20 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you lower your material removal rate just to make the feed rate faster?
@JosephArata
@JosephArata 3 жыл бұрын
Axial loading...... He specified directly in the explanation.
@whiteandnerdy511
@whiteandnerdy511 6 жыл бұрын
Who would have thought that cooling and lubricating while machining would lower the effort needed....
@CaptainDammiit
@CaptainDammiit 7 жыл бұрын
I want one of your titans of cncs T-shirt’s! I enjoy watching the videos you guys post!
@brandonhuskey9153
@brandonhuskey9153 6 жыл бұрын
Are you keeping your chip load constant every pass?
@marcusbyrd7924
@marcusbyrd7924 7 жыл бұрын
Why not take a full DOC of the insert cut at a proper feedrate for your horsepower limitations? In addition drop the spindle to a better part of the horsepower curve. This would be a faster MRR because there would be less movement overall. High IPM isn't always the fastest way to remove metal.
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed, there are definitely many variables... I didn't want to over complicate things... but more wanted to teach... These tools and machines can handle a lot, don't be afraid to test the waters at higher feed rates... You might just make some money:-)
@saustinatgmailcom
@saustinatgmailcom 7 жыл бұрын
exactly, these videos showing all this high feed rate is just for show. Backing off the DOC, WOC and increasing IPM does not remove material faster if you need to take more cuts. I would rather see some real stuff that shows how to maximize constrained by machine capability, and where your forced to use a small tool because of a feature. IE: is it worth it to REST or not. ALSO pushing HSM and adaptive strategies.
@gregglumen4365
@gregglumen4365 7 жыл бұрын
TITANS of CNC: Academy keep up the good work,as someone who runs large HBMS all day every day it's kinda nice to see something run over 50 IPM.
@k1tesurfen
@k1tesurfen 3 жыл бұрын
This dude listened to all episodes of the Jocko Podcast. "We're at max? Good. Back off, reload, recalibrate, REENGAGE!"
@TiMechOfficial
@TiMechOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
lol we are using the GARANT feedking and we can mill at vc=1500m/min F=1,11mm (per tooth).... is it faster? AlCuMgPb
@dingohammer1136
@dingohammer1136 4 жыл бұрын
The volume of material removed per minute is V = Feed x Width of Cut x Depth of Cut. You were actually removing more material per minute at 500 ipm and 2.7" woc than at 800 ipm and 1.5" woc.
@iandorrington6397
@iandorrington6397 3 жыл бұрын
Is that a wood router or a metal milling machine???😊
@cnchq160
@cnchq160 7 жыл бұрын
What was all the smoke coming off? Was that Aluminum being burnt?
@hurttech7593
@hurttech7593 7 жыл бұрын
Whatever fluid they were putting on it, most likely WD40 or something similar.
@Nathan-mg7ho
@Nathan-mg7ho 7 жыл бұрын
i think it was, but it could have been oil that was put on before the cut started
@TITANSofCNC
@TITANSofCNC 7 жыл бұрын
Wow! Yep... I was trying not to flood coolant yet so the camera could catch the footage... just soaked the floor with some WD40 to give it a lil lube... of course it doesn't cool it though.
@blue03r6
@blue03r6 4 жыл бұрын
The us government actually provides a free feeds and speeds chart for all kinds of materials. They do this kind of thing in my hometown. We were told about it by a local machine shop school
@JosephArata
@JosephArata 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't really apply with 10k+ rpm CNC milling machines that are designed for high speed mass production.
@Gamer91420
@Gamer91420 2 жыл бұрын
How the hell are all your machines looking like they just got hooked for the first time no shop I've ever been at have had such clean machines 😳
@jamesbuck3818
@jamesbuck3818 2 жыл бұрын
As a MR1(SW)Retired Navy vet w/16 yrs sea duty .. I KNOW when I see power and Damn Good Machinest ... Wish you could Teach Me.. Where where you in '95?
@HeathFluent
@HeathFluent 5 жыл бұрын
Have you tried TMAC from Caron Engineering? up to 125% of programmed feed rates... Adaptive machining... just a thought.
@box420
@box420 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know about all that but I work in aircraft has a Machinist and we run all of shell mills at 300" with a 150-250 Z depth of cut and it's about 90% load pending on our material
@kkarunaratne9253
@kkarunaratne9253 5 жыл бұрын
The correct approach (IMHO) is to review the torque curve of the mill and run at the RPM that produces Peak torque. then optimize depth of cut and feed rate around that for best MMR. At a certain point the tool stalls or breaks but usually that's to do with clearance of chips from the cut. To improve clearance of chips increase spindle speed - continue to optimize. I was able to triple my MMR over just running the spindle "flat out" and not thinking thru this..
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