man... I love Titans. So refreshing seeing a team of pros, clean and beautiful machines and great content! Presentation is always on point. Keep it up guys!
@africanelectron7512 жыл бұрын
I have been around cnc machines à lot... But machines like this... Simply incredible.
@stamrly4182 жыл бұрын
I want one for my desk it looks beautiful. At 7 mins the concentration on the task was obvious and the camera was forgotten. True focus on the task.. Who cares if “i cant spell it” you made it. Lovely with even the out takes, it makes you part of the team. Welcome to the world of the Academy.
@GreenRunningLama Жыл бұрын
wow - what a piece of content - in the youtube world where 90% of vids are from 90` 80` 70` - most machines look old dirty and tired - TITANS always make me happy and willing to be working as a grinder as your approach to the precision grinding is fresh modern and ultra sleek - lovely job guys ! S41 is like a AI of Grinding :)
@mohammedalbattal772 жыл бұрын
It was a great video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us for free, Mr. Chris. And don't forget the wonderful staff who filmed and edited this video... You took me to another world man. Boom 💥
@@TITANSofCNC Where can you get trained at on a machine like this?
@Sirmellowman2 жыл бұрын
bro....that chuck is SO FREAKING perfect..... he re chucked that part and it ran out literally PERFECT....wtf!
@snakedike2 жыл бұрын
Had to make one of those (Icosikaitetragon 24 sides) recently for a laser scanner. Needed mirror surfaces and I have no grinder. After milling, it was had lapping over the granite with 1500 grit followed by some buffing compound on a sponge. I have serious tool envy watching this.
@aj7utu2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to determine how flat the Studer polygons are, given that the flats are interpolated, and any reversal error in the X-axis is being tested. In the case of your method, your flatness is assured.
@snakedike2 жыл бұрын
@@aj7utu That's true, and even with grinding I think I'd end up needing to buff out the tool marks. But hand lapping is a terrible way to spend the evening 🙂
@9traktor3 ай бұрын
Nice to see the video. And even so to listen to your gentle explanation. So fine!
@RippenSXS2 жыл бұрын
Idk what happened, but the video editing became alot better in the past month-ish. And Chris does a great job explaining his process.
@brianw5722 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video!! Just a reminder of why I love machining. So much a person can do nowadays with modern machining technology. That part is one of those things if a person asks why did you make that?? Because I can :)
@tonyharding53369 ай бұрын
I’m old school, so glad you work in imperial and not metric
@miketimms79522 жыл бұрын
Awesome Job! I love learning machining like this part.
@ronmoore55842 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC video! Keep putting out these great videos!
@MrCaberlan2 жыл бұрын
That’s pretty cool! I don’t know what the hell im looking at, but looks pretty cool and definitely takes a bit of knowledge to run that thing! Good job!
@slavikmarinovski22492 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I would like to see you finish grind hard anodized aluminum part to size(+/-0.0004) OD and ID concentric and N4 finish. We quoted something like that once but didn't get the job. Also interested to know about fixturing finished parts where you can't squeeze them in the chuck.
@TITANSofCNC2 жыл бұрын
Those are excellent ideas. We will put them on our list.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
All great ideas!
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
What fixture system has the highest positioning precision between workpieces?
@dangabi50072 жыл бұрын
you can do almost anything on this grinding machine i am working on an s33 and i once did a m40x5 thread left hand side with 2 beginings. and easy to use.
@tdg9112 жыл бұрын
Amazing finish.
@bboydrummer12 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing. Nice work.
@JML19872 жыл бұрын
TITAN! This video is pretty related to the dilemma I'm in. The ol' Mill vs Lathe debate. I'm a new mechanical engineer coming from A LOT of 3D printing experience who likes to get his hands dirty and build stuff first-hand for gaining expertise in design aspects and just the overall mechanical experience of making things. But I want to start working with metals. Mainly brass and aluminum but occasionally steels. Before I invest in an awesome CNC setup, to learn the old school ways do you recommend starting with a small lathe or mill?
@avroarchitect17932 жыл бұрын
Amateur machinist here, Lathes are good for getting a feel for the concepts behind feeds and speeds, especially if they are manual (not CNC). But a Mill is far more versatile in what it can do. However Lathes are the kings of threading, cylindrical parts and semi cylindrical/ related parts (camshafts, bushings, tapers, etc), Really depends what you want to make. Honestly to get a feel for manufacturing, both are good, both have their limits.
@ehamann23092 жыл бұрын
Im from Germany. Worked on old Studer. I used to learn not to stop the wheel during measuring. Because the the wheel would suck in the oil and gravity would pull it down so there would be inbalance after... It's not like that nowadays?
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
So you would flush the grinding area with actual oil, like way oil?
@ehamann23092 жыл бұрын
@@helpme_obiwan when part is finished yes
@marcosfuentes1192 жыл бұрын
How are you doing Chris!! Glad to see you’re doing well!
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marcos! Hope all is well with you!
@stevemayne80672 жыл бұрын
What a great video , use a s31 at work but never seen nothing like that before . Studer at the best 👍
@adambergendorff27022 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh at 3:51 you forgot the "do" in dodecagon. Well done , was surprised at how much the heat treat warped the part.
@Resnor2 жыл бұрын
Ok, If you are going to attempt polygon grinding on a studer you must remember a few things. firstly look at the part Chris has ground. how flat does it look? its clearly radiused on every edge. You cannot achieve flatness using a angle approach wheel. the machine needs to know the exact wheel diameter to achieve perfect flats so you need you use a straight wheel. You cannot measure a wheel at 30 degrees ie wheel 2 as T1 and T11 are totally different sizes. I do many form grinding jobs in aerospace and the flatness is easily within 0.001mm on these amazing machines
@sobelsonski2 жыл бұрын
Yes, agree. Also Z oscillation needed, now i can see the radial stone marks on the part.
@andyvan56923 ай бұрын
love it, great show and tell, and wow, what a piece, and that surface finish. a question, what grinding wheel did you use, as there aren't too many videos showing what is on it, and how to mount the wheels, one assumes it is done by hand?, and not an auto tool loader?
@leonschumann23612 жыл бұрын
haven't u dressed the wheel? (btw u gotta make a factory tour video with the crazy machine park ur running)
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
Each of these macros had 2 in process dresses that were programmed. You can check out how I did it on our CNC grinding academy!
@nonamesareavailabe2 жыл бұрын
What a great video. I don't have any experience in fabrication but the content you guys put out is highly informative and truly amazing. I'm also wondering if you could make a 2D and a 3D Reuleaux polygon?
@nathanthomas81842 жыл бұрын
Chris have used a Gleason Phoenix CNC tooth cutting Mach ?
@AraniaTwoFer2 жыл бұрын
okay, here is a question I have. Because the grinding wheel is cut at an angle, the diameter of its grinding surface is different if you look at different points on the z-axis. the diameter of the grinding wheel that is closer to the chuck has a different surface velocity when it is spinning than the inner diameter. does that have any effect on the surface finish?
@bdwilson19072 жыл бұрын
Surface speed of the wheel on the 45 degree angle is minimal change between the larger and smaller diameter. Typically surface speed is measured in metres per second in the world of metric so the difference is minimal, more so that this wheel will likely be in excess of 400mm (16") diameter in use. Respect to the guys who load these wheels in the machine, I picked one up for our Studer S41 and they are definitely not light!
@ramonstvol86622 жыл бұрын
You ask us what form you should grind next, please grind a Capto Tool Holder so like a tapered 3 sided polygon. That would be nice to see
@matthewgowan75462 жыл бұрын
How did you clock C between the two sides to align the two shapes to eachother?
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
Its not two shapes. The macro where he input he number of sides calculates the angle.
@jeffbeck94442 жыл бұрын
I dont think he timed one side to the other.
@berntinulkshredder2 жыл бұрын
That is cool, really cool.
@jamescerven44002 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@ChadOHara982 жыл бұрын
Ok that's impressive
@ShopperPlug Жыл бұрын
Does this polygon part have real applications or was it literally for demonstration? Polygon parts like the one showed in this video are particularly used with precision lasers, such as used in laser scanners which are used for various of products like a laser printer.
@Turboy652 жыл бұрын
Do an actual camshaft. A full camshaft build that will actually be test run in an engine.
@npip992 жыл бұрын
You can always say "12-gon" and "16-gon". As in, "twelve-gon" and "sixteen-gon". Inevitably you'll have to swap to that pronunciation if you were to ever do an uncommon number or a large number of sides.
@JML19872 жыл бұрын
That's a nice hexadodecakocadagong
@andyvan56923 ай бұрын
one shape that would be good to do is an ellipse, aka a cam or crankshaft, for engines, etc. and even doing 'off center' grinding, like polishing the journals of a crankshaft.
@marios4492 жыл бұрын
I assume it's hexadecagon, deriving from the Greek δεκαεξάγωνο, which is composed of δεκαέξι (=sixteen) and γωνία (=angle), so sixteen-angled. Same way polygon comes from the Greek word πολύγωνο (πολύ = many and γωνία = angle) meaning many-angled
@nathanthomas81842 жыл бұрын
All thanks to Archimedes
@westrammell8444 Жыл бұрын
What wheel are you using ? Thanks
@alf3071 Жыл бұрын
what happens if you need the dodecagon and hexakaigon whateva to be at a specific angle? since you reverse the part in the chuck, how do you align it again?
@johnnycomelately63412 жыл бұрын
Are the finished faces flat or dished?
@stefandieters87582 жыл бұрын
How is this more efficiënt then using a flat endmill? Looks cool tho!
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
Its not about efficiency its about surface finish?
@mikegerrits31982 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I love the format and pace!
@Jatsekusama2 жыл бұрын
Why not make a STAMP this way out of some crazy material and then using it to press a crazy hole in something? Limit is your imagination, and we know you guys have a lot of it! :D BTW, great video, Chris you do a great job focusing on the details. Greets :)
@suhailghori2573 Жыл бұрын
Sir Can we do undercut id grinding ?
@blakeboothe25542 жыл бұрын
You should grind a capto style triangle. I’m not sure if that’s patented or not because sandvik created but I think it would be cool cause it’s such an odd shape.
@zanechristenson34362 жыл бұрын
So select a shape, add dimensions. Super complex lol. How accurate are the indexes in arc seconds?
@MrCdrant2 жыл бұрын
How do grinders account for wheel material loss?
@TITANSofCNC2 жыл бұрын
I will let Chris come in here and answer this. I know that in many applications, you actually re-dress the wheel during the process and the machine automatically knows where the new edge is and compensates / offsets in automatically, then continues to grind. You can set the timing on this based on application and hardness of wheel etc. Titan
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
Titan nailed it! The wheel is dressed and the machine compensates for wheel wear. You can pick in your technology for the wheel how much to dress and how many passes. In the programming is where you can select how often you dress, for example before the grinding operation, during or even after. Great question!
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
is there a dresser calibration cycle for the diamond wheel dresser???
@jonaskung44122 жыл бұрын
You have to calibrate each spindel and dresser once and give the studer the right parameters of the wheel you put in. After you did that once you can work a long time without calibrating again. I work at a studer s42 and i make such a calibration just once a year or so. The only thing wich changes is the diamond wich over time wears down...
@silent88967 ай бұрын
Do you know if the studer s11 is capable of high speed form grinding?
@MrJugsstein2 жыл бұрын
could you add taper as well
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
You could by using this program for studer
@kavanlaing72382 жыл бұрын
What are the advantages to using the pink wheel vs white or others? We have centerless grind, ID/OD Cylindrical Grinders(S33 & FavoritCNC), and 2 die cylindrical thread rolling.
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
Each color indicates a different abrasive. It depends on the material application.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
The material and finish you are going to grind play a major factor in your wheel selection. Thanks for watching!
@kavanlaing72382 жыл бұрын
@@christophervillalpando5865 Why did you choose the pink wheel? What are the advantages of using a pink wheel over white or others? Is the advantage the wear characteristics, or surface finish, ability to use on many types of materials, ect. Thanks for any info.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
@@kavanlaing7238 I selected this Tyrolit 60 grit wheel because of the material being ground. this wheel is on the softer side and is used for light to medium stock removal. I also like using a 30 degree angled wheel when I can.
@kavanlaing72382 жыл бұрын
@@christophervillalpando5865 have you seen the trick with the flashlight on the pink wheel? kzbin.infoDpcxH4JXUwI?feature=share
@jeremyl.75632 жыл бұрын
What abrasive (grind wheel) are you using? This is really cool I only do cylindrical. Are you programing with Studer WIN or just pictogram? When touching off I like to tap to Process so you can really see the dital spike.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
I am using a Tyrolit 60 Grit with 70 grit embedded throughout the wheel. I am using Studer HSM cycle. Check out our grinding academy coming soon to learn exactly how I did this!
@jeremyl.75632 жыл бұрын
@@christophervillalpando5865 Thank you. I notice you like that brand abrasives I'll have to check it out. We use Norton, Noritake, and Meister.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyl.7563 Yes you should check out the Tyrolit wheels! I have had very good success with them!
@silent88967 ай бұрын
Do you know if the Studer s11 is capable of doing high speed form grinding aswell?
@life.is.to.short14142 жыл бұрын
Technology is getting better and better. Pretty soon don't need to go to school to learn it.. lol 😆
@TITANSofCNC2 жыл бұрын
Especially since we are about to release a Free Grinding Academy
@arestimbg2 жыл бұрын
Why you dont use Z axis oscilattion ??
@manishparmar42852 жыл бұрын
How to do contention on carbide flat face
@altoninstrumentsinc.37712 жыл бұрын
👌🏻
@nickdimperio20772 жыл бұрын
Could you guys grind out a gear? Is that even possible
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing profile geometry dressing
@v.d.3916 ай бұрын
Is it possible to program cylindrical grinding in mastercam
@xl0002 жыл бұрын
does the machine has a way to measure where it's at currently ? I mean because of the wear of the grinding wheel, you can't really know how deep it's grinding in practice. Or is it just ignored for short runs ?
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
You can use your offsets to keep the part oversized and measure after the initial grind. Then you can adjust as needed. With this run I had plenty of dresses to keep up with the wear of the grinding wheel. Thanks for watching and great question!
@larryblount33582 жыл бұрын
Do you heat treat in-house?
@Mikesukes2 жыл бұрын
Grind a cam for a single cylinder engine. Does the wheel always stay at a angle to the part or is that a axis?
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
The C-axis and X-axis servos have to be synchronized. Right?
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
@@helpme_obiwan At the beginning of the program the machine references its C axis. I went into further detail in our Grinding Academy! Check it out!
@ekhobbies18772 жыл бұрын
Can you do an 11-sided polygon?
@GregLedet2 жыл бұрын
You should grind some Reuleaux triangle wheels.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
Hey Greg! I love that Idea! Stay tuned!
@GregLedet2 жыл бұрын
@@christophervillalpando5865 It'll be interesting to see how it grinds a triangle of constant width.
@GregLedet2 жыл бұрын
@@christophervillalpando5865 C'mon Chris.... where's my Reuleaux!
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
Haha its on my To-Do list! Stay Tuned! Thanks for watching!
@accumulator48252 жыл бұрын
How did you make sure the inner and outer sides were paralel with each other?
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
Good question
@hunlee75212 жыл бұрын
우와아.
@tubosolinas7 ай бұрын
It's a simple word Δωδεκαγωνο!🤣
@matteomagni20842 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone,Just wanted to ask: is it possible that face mill (easy roughing nothing crazy) can damage the perpendicularly/precision of the machine? I’m facing this with an old style machinist that wanna hear no excuse and always wants to have the last word on everything. How can I prove him that he is wrong
@TITANSofCNC2 жыл бұрын
Not unless you crash it… machine will stall before it ruins anything. You should join our Facebook Private Group where there is a ton of machinists to ask questions from and to learn from.
@barrysetzer2 жыл бұрын
Also check out our videos on Tools of Domination and 644 MRR. We didnt hurt our machines AT ALL with these cuts
@matteomagni20842 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply, I mean.. machine are calibrated and tested at maximum performance when they are built right? They are made for working like days and days no stop at 100% power. Old man machinist thinks that modern machines are like manual mill from the 80s and 90s haha 😂
@Sebastian-ed5kt2 жыл бұрын
@@matteomagni2084 i was taught that usually the machine stalls before the tool or anything in the machine breaks. and even tested that with a 85mm facemill. the thing is that stalling the machine can damage the gears if you have a gearbox or the drive for the spindle if you do it long enough but besides that and crashing nothing should damage the machine. and even if the machine has crashed you can run a kinematics check and then the machine should know what's out of the usual and potentially calculate what to do to compensate that. we have a big mill at work where the tower is tilted by 1.2° or so and i think another axis has around 2° bends in it😂
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
@@Sebastian-ed5kt Yikes on the last sentence
@mtlfpv2 жыл бұрын
"I can't even spell it but I can grind it"
@GrinderQiandaoАй бұрын
I can spell it, hexadecagon, but I can't grind it. Hahahaha
@imyaaniggua2 жыл бұрын
grinding a motorshaft would be an ez
@iamtyzed2 жыл бұрын
0:25 only right answer 🤣🤣
@kryatov12342 жыл бұрын
Make actual disco ball?
@pliashmuldba2 жыл бұрын
Well with CNC you can do just about anything, but i dont like running maskines like that, also a reason i was out of the trade for so many years. Okay i do admit i can get almost aroused watching some machines work, and also the things for the home industry i could make with such a machine. But my time on CNC machines are as little as 5 - 10 hours
@opendstudio71412 жыл бұрын
Now you have the brains, engineering software and all the equipment to manufacture some futuristic firearms components. Elon and Space-X may need to arm up a defense.
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
It amazing to think they are developing ways to assemble machines that will use to assemble a spaceship for the mission to Mars.
@intubungamer61732 жыл бұрын
Challenge: Make a Titan-1M without a Mill, Lathe, etc. Only useing special processes like Grinding, EDM, maybe even 3D-Printing...
@intubungamer61732 жыл бұрын
Maybe even doing a 1m long Titan-1M on the Ibarmia....
@pozalujstapodpishus30622 жыл бұрын
на таком станке можно злые распредвалы шлифовать...
@jamescerven44002 жыл бұрын
After 12 sides, you can start calling the polygon an n-gon. It makes it much easier to say 😂. So a 16 sided polygon would be a 16-gon
@TITANSofCNC2 жыл бұрын
I like that better😁🤙
@CatNolara2 жыл бұрын
The right term would be Hexadecagon I think, but yeah, it get's unwieldy at some point
@killercat2502 жыл бұрын
How to set the graphics to low in real life.
@paulwainwright67892 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you just put the flats on with a reciprocating surface grinder? Cutting them on a cylindrical grinder like this will cause a concaved surface instead of an actual flat.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
On this I can program a smaller radius along the sides which would help with that, I made the radius .100 for each of these. And rather than grinding, flipping and grinding again. I just decided to do it all at once. Great question!
@CatNolara2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't just plunge in the wheel, it interpolates the X-axis as well so it creates an actual flat surface. Surer, there might be better ways, but this way you could do the polygon grinding and cylindrical grinding (and other stuff like threads etc.) in one setup.
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
@@christophervillalpando5865 So the C-axis and X-axis servos are synchronized?!
@martysmith8712 жыл бұрын
That 3 jaw has zero runout? WTF?
@helpme_obiwan2 жыл бұрын
You see the end product . You don't see the whole process.
@martysmith8712 жыл бұрын
@@helpme_obiwan Yeah im guessing its a type of set-tru? It appeared that he just threw it in there and ive never seen a 3 jaw clamp perfectly concentric before.
@christophervillalpando58652 жыл бұрын
Great Question it is an adjustable 3 Jaw chuck.
@Player-ix7rx2 жыл бұрын
Ok, next grind an icosahedron and try to pronounce it on the first try