TJLC Explained: [Episode 36] Gay Victorian Fever Dream

"I mean okay there's evidence but come ON! They've said it's not going to happen, it's not like you've predicted something they were lying about before!"
If you've found yourself thinking something like the above sentence, this is the video for you! Whether you didn't know about what was happening in the lead up to TAB or want to get a little nostalgic about that very exciting time in the TJLC community, this video will give you everything you need to know about the Gay Victorian Fever Dream theory.
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Steven Moffat EW interview:
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Kinklock on them meeting Again:
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Coline thejohnlockhell's Cactus Pledge:
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Beaniesforspock on the trailer:
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Mark Gatiss for Radio Times:
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Amanda Abbington on the special:
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Coline's updated Cactus Pledge:
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[@Sophie-is3jh]

It's honestly so damning that the grumpy bisexual stereotype really doesn't exist outside of john.

[@Sylvyi]

Good point actually- I've never heard of "grumpy" as a stereotype for bisexual people, but it DOES describe John.

[@MsFenriss]

Yeah, I mean I'm a grumpy bisexual, and I've never felt trope-ified. But I do need a t-shirt now it's been said.

[@reo4540]

oh my god yesss, I need one too! We should probably start a tshirt-buissness

[@ayeletdrago]

+MsFenriss same

[@amalofoto]

I will so design a shirt like that, cuz I need me one of those. When I'm done, I'll link it in here =)

[@betty8811]

Ok but eveything that rebekah was talking about with the non tjlc fans saying that tjlcers were delusional if they thought that tab was mind palace because the writers explicitly said that tab would be a stand alone episode and all of that just reminds me of where we are now. The tjlcers who are now saying that s4 is fake are all getting called delusional even by former tjlcers, but isn't the situation we're in now closely resemble the tab situation? I think we should disregard most of what the writers and actors have said about s4 and just look at the show itself without too much of the outside influence. There is so much that suggests that there still is a plan and s4 is not what it seems to be at first glance. I think that there's still hope. And yes I know that it's seemingly more likely that the show just took a nose dive after it became super popular (as most shows do) and that I could very well be wrong about s4 being fake (I do try to not let my hopes get too high cause i've been let down by that show before). But in my eyes, there is more that content that suggests that tjlc is real than there is that disproves it. Again, I know i could be wrong but I still have hope.

[@euanacarmo]

Everytime I see antis saying "they're never gonna be together, TJLC is bullshit" I remember all the great things TJLC predicted and what is its fundamentals and I can't help but think "I am SO gonna scream to them WE KNEWWWWW IT, SUCK IT, WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG when Johnlock canon airs".

[@strongsarah]

Yeah, I just ignore that stuff any more, it's not worth my time. :) if the show doesn't convince them, I won't be able to. The funniest is when I see the anti's post interview quotes as "proof" like that's part of the show. ???? It is going to be so much harder to be polite and not smug after the kiss happens! :D

[@annafreitag9498]

The truly sad thing is that when the kiss happens, probably most of the people against Johnlock will not simply give in and admit that they were wrong all along, but they'll instead try to claim that the kiss was mere fan service and doesn't fit the rest of the show at all and will be super disappointed and all. But what're you gonna do...

[@strongsarah]

yeah, I realized a while back that it's not our job to convince anyone, and I got so much more relaxed about life in general and fandom especially. :) If the antis give up on the show, think of all the lightly-used aftermarket dvds that new fans will be able to pick up for cheap! :D

[@d.c.3346]

+Anna Toor those are the Andersons. The idiots.

[@Amy-xv4sp]

I love this analysis series so much, but it kinda makes me sad to watch it now after season 4 because we all had so much hope but were dissapointed :( Is that why there aren't any videos regarding series 4? It would be really interesting what you think about that and the theory that season 4 is in the mindpalace

[@sreshtavulla6927]

Yeaaaa I used to watch these when they came, during the hiatus between S3 and S4 and it's pretty disappointing to see how S4 has turned out..... A part of me still can't believe those 3 episodes Actually Happened (lol) As for why there aren't any videos on S4, there's a post on the community tab explaining why.... For a while, all the episode breakdowns were taken down (they, along with that post, are the last we've heard of Rebekah on the matter) But hey! Here's to hoping series 5 is going to be here in our lifetime and maybe fix _some_ (if not all) of the stuff that made S4 feel like trash.

[@shaunagavin5140]

Was not expecting this so soon after Mary Morstan! Literally dropped everything and ran to my room to watch this when I got the notification. Thank you Rebekah ❤️☺️

[@khadijafatine5856]

Me tooo *-----*

[@sforzie]

"Please do not fellate that gun" You really should put that on a t-shirt...

[@Raindr0psssssssss]

10:45 SUE'S FACE WHEN AMANDA SAYS THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE FJKLJKSAFH IM CACKLING

[@robins5828]

No kidding, she looks like she's wildly trying to communicate for her to shut up solely through facial expressions. "What are you doing, Amanda? Stop talking. Stop talk- AHHHH!!"

[@playfulpippapony]

I will eat a cactus if there is no kiss in series 4. Ok, now Moffat has got to do it! You wouldn't make a poor little girl eat a spiky plant, would you Moffat? P.s- Great video by the way, I love these videos so much. Whenever I talk about a gay couple (or ship) and my mother over hears she always says 'you're obsessed with gay people'. Things like TJLC makes me feel better about that, and if (I mean WHEN) they kiss she will see that she is being really homophobic with her attitude to gay couples in tv.

[@bewitchedbylena]

playfulpippapony I relate a lot. My parents used to call me "obsessed with gay people" all the time. It was SO annoying and pretty hurtful considering I'm actually queer 🙄

[@CeliaTyree]

playfulpippapony I will eat a cactus in front of the camera if that happens.

[@geekygoggles628]

Welp...

[@blima589]

I reckon Sherlock is going to finally respond to one of his impulses. Im talking about kissing

[@Thomas_Winters]

bea cliffordn'stuff we shall see. but he better friggin clean himself up.

[@lee1150]

a new video! my day was so shitty until now

[@artie4529]

same

[@artie4529]

AAH I was not expecting a video so soon! I was literally re-watching your videos when I saw that you have uploaded

[@SindriMjolnir]

Damn, I loved your reaction video. I'm normally not someone who enjoys watching other people react, but with the context of the TJLC community predicting and being right, it's a joy to watch someone scream in triumph rather than surprise :D

[@TheHotnessIsHere]

1.1.17 I can't wait!

[@Thomas_Winters]

Walt Walters saaaaame

[@Raindr0psssssssss]

I watched TAB when it first aired with my parents before I had seen the rest of the episodes and I just remember thinking "this is pretty confusing and gay I bet the internet ships it"

[@Kairi-ou]

Ahhhhhh I love these kinds of videos! The history of TJLC is so, so interesting to me, mainly because I don't hang out on tumblr much but would really like to rub proof against people's faces when we're finally proven right. I find it so satisfying to know that this has already happened with TAB! Great video as always!

[@sporesims9303]

i would be so happy if you would do such a "reaction-video" for season 4. i would love zo see your reaction to Johnlock finally be canon :D

[@euanacarmo]

My day always gets better when there's a new TJLC explained video! Thanks, Bekah!

[@kalasimsy2966]

that was one of the happiest videos we got from u so far :D I love tab and im super excited fot the next videos :D that sequence at the end with ben c's "love conquers all" is amazing

[@reli5998]

My eyes widened when I saw the information that Rebekah added a new video! Thank you so much!

[@MsMarioWASD]

It's now been 8 hours after TFP and your reaction to TAB finally made me smile again. Thank you.

[@IlTridenteBlu]

guys, i'm so exited for season 4. insanely exited.

[@oliverv8919]

ahhh we're so blessed to get two of these so soon! love your series!

[@romyfranz4604]

Omg i thank you so much for this video. i like your videos so much and you're so lovely und just wonderful. Before i watched this video i were like "i hope it's going to be canon, i mean there is so much evidence and johnlock is so likely go canon", but in the end i were always so insecure about it. But this video convinced me so much. i can't explain it, it sounds silly, but i am so sure right now. TJLC is like the only explanation. I want to thank you so so so much. your videos gave me hope and i really really love them and you know i thank you so much for all of this, you are just incredible :)

[@notjamin]

A TJLCE video on a Monday? You're an angel and I love you! (I mean I'm on break so it's not that bad of a Monday but it's still a Monday)

[@malachorfives]

OH MY GOD I'm so ready

[@JennyCarota]

i always love how, in the beginning of every video, your exited smile is so bright i want to smile too ^.^ (that sounds creepy//cheesy but whatevs)

[@katestevens1422]

Thank god for 5 separate videos on TAB. Long live the Gay Victorian Fever Dream!! (PS the flashbacks were super cute)

[@sporesims9303]

i'm now listing to the "victorian feevr dream" soundtrack-list. O.o THis is really angsty playlist O.o

[@ruby6297]

Not gonna lie, I saw that this episode was 12 minutes long and I was momentarily CONVINCED something was wrong, haha. An episode of TJLCE that long? About TAB? Inconceivable! And then you're like "yeah there's gonna be five episodes on TAB" lmao i love u rebekah XD

[@ruby6297]

also this is honestly one of my favorite episodes, remembering how RIGHT we were is amazing

[@easye.t.3743]

I discovered your (wonderful!!) videos a couple of days ago and you totally convinced me. I don't usually focus on a pairing, because I always tell myself that "it's never going to happen" but now I'm seriously DOUBTING. I watch one of your videos and I'm like "omg johnlock is comfirmed I can't even", then I read Mofftiss interviews and I can't help but think "well, maybe it's just another fan fantasy". I mean, they KNOW they're often lying, that's why the show is great, but do you really think they'd be lying about that? LGB(TQ)'s cause is extremely important after all, it's not a simple theme... But anyway, I do love your videos, they're amazing, you're amazing, and know that because of you it seems like there is an eternity between this moment and the 1st of January. (oh and sorry for my english, doing my best

[@RandomNexus]

OMG! I remember SO much of that time, of all the speculation and excited colluding on all the teensy hints and details. Such a fun time in a lot of ways. I also remember doing a lot of triumphant arm flailing during the episode, too. Thanks for showing us a bit of your reactions, Rebekah, that was nearly a copy of my own in some parts. Hee! Excellent! ^5

[@PoppinRandomBubbles]

Ooh! I wasn't expecting this. What a lovely surprise!

[@joanwong8026]

I was having a bad day but YOU MADE MY DAY AND I'M INSPIRED TO MAKE A TJLC EXPLAINING KIND OF VIDEO Love you!! 😘

[@kathleencaitlyn]

that was so interesting. I'm often lurkin in the sherlock/TJLC fandom, and I was at that time, but I'm not sure if I had seen the gay victorian fever dream theory. I think it's astonishing how accurately you guys prediced this.

[@thomascampbell350]

IM SO FUCKING BEYOND EXCITED FOR SERIES FOUR! FUCK ME UP BBC OH MY FUCK

[@leyleyh.6326]

I don't know how you do it, but you explain TJLC so convincingly. I'm not even sure I'm convinced yet, but I've managed to watch seven of your videos so far and I'll be on to my eighth one in just a minute. I hear what you're saying and I see what you're showing, but I'm still like, "People suck though and the overwhelming majority will be pissed to see this pair go canon. Are the writers really that brave?". Crazily enough the first time I was ever introduced to this version of Sherlock was from a Buzzfeed article called "South Korea Really Wants Johnlock to be a Thing" which basically showed how all the S3 trailers in South Korea were really slashy. Have you ever seen that article? Anyway, on to watch another video.

[@andreapap15]

So excited for the TAB videos!!!!

[@bewitchedbylena]

All I can think of is the immeasurable triumph I'll feel when it finally happens

[@musicnolife9714]

I'm rewatching Sherlock from the beginning and I don't know why Polish translation misses whole meaning of all spoken words, makes people in Poland believe, that series is totally straight and creates John and Sherlock only as friends. I'm so angry that I didn't watch this show in original version without translation and I missed all the details. You, Rebekah, showed me what I missed and I'm very glad I found your channel. Thank you so much for everything :) PS. Sorry for my bad English... I'm still learning :)

[@strongsarah]

you're doing fine! There are even some errors in the English captions on the dvds too. Probably they are made by someone who isn't so devoted to the show. The most reliable English transcripts are the ones made by arianedevere on Livejournal.

[@proudcommulist5384]

ill eat a cactus in celebration . . . its called Nopales ;) look it up.

[@anamimi5722]

This title is pure perfection

[@niabb2692]

Loved your tab reaction!!!! Back then I shipped johnlock but had no idea about tjlc, so the whole thing was just very gay and confusing. It's very interesting to see someone who knew it was going to happen see it happen!

[@analaginhas4474]

I'm always so happy when you post! Love your videos!

[@sofiabarberiscanonico3149]

Dear sweet Rebekah you JUST BLEW MY MIND BLESS YOU

[@VexVanDart]

I'm just sitting here - eating my waffles, and crying over tjlc. Happy Halloween everyone lmao

[@samanthajones387]

lol just realized you put the "symbolism" word in the intro with you drinking tea 😅

[@mj_mewa]

I wasn't really beliving in Johnlock, I just shipped it (I hope I can spell this like this, sorry I'm from Poland so...), but then I watch Abominable Bride and find your channel and now I'm like: ok, so maybe I will do this thing with cactus if it wouldn't be the canon...

[@pipoconnell9807]

I'm getting nostalgic watching this. I loved the build up to "the gay Victorian fever dream", and the satisfaction of watching it play out on screen knowing we were right all along.

[@the-reading-lemon]

This really did make me nostalgic for how happy all of us were in the lead-up to TAB and the time immediately after it aired. Please, for the love of all that is holy and the sake of my sanity, will you film your reaction to all of S4 and give us a compilation of that? Because I swear that video of you seeing TAB for the first time is one of the purest things I've ever seen. And I second the other question about kiss reaction compilation.

[@somerandombeing6459]

ugh, okay. at this point I'm somehow overpowered and going to forget the fear of breaking my little heart. Thank you, i really appreciate what you're doing, and i now 100% believe in tjlc c:

[@robinwamsteker7285]

pov; you are watching this in 2021 and without thinking about it took the cactus pledge… guess I'm omw to buy a cactus ill update yall

[@LGFVA]

Veia el video de tu reacción y la mia fue igual, grite y salte porque sabia que el episodio estaba basado en el mind palace de Sherlovk, era obvio y lo habiamos descifrado. Y si tuvimos razon en ello entonces el johnlock sera realen la 4 será real, es el unico plot que queda.

[@SonnyAguisa333]

Can i suggest a video with the predictions for season 4??? I dont wanna miss them like i missed the gay victorian fever dream :/ also fantastic videos as always!! Bless u!!

[@strongsarah]

well, you can always poke around on tumblr in peoples' setlock or s4 tags, and see what you find, if you don't mind spoilers and speculation...

[@bea3018]

pls rebekah pls, can you do a video about season 4 and talk about what happend and what you think the creators were thinking?? and talk about if you think they'll make johnlock cannon in season 5?? your videos are amazing, we need you back to analise S4, pls!!

[@SionEoinPaytonJesse]

If they don't kiss in series 4, I will upload a video of myself eating a cactus, too! As a sign of good faith, I pledge not to look up cactus preparation recipes

[@ilaydai5159]

Your voice is shaking. My hands are shaking. Gay victorian fever dream is shaking. IT IS REAL!

[@Sylvyi]

I've been so excited for this episode!

[@zielonegruszko]

I wasn't expecting this so soon! Oh, it's Christmas!

[@Miles-qv6oj]

I love how I just knew what you'd be talking about from the title :')

[@jasminethompson8808]

5 hours up and im already watching this im obsessed

[@elenpena42564]

I just finish the previous one (last week I was in Cuba, with my family and without Internet) and I was thinking "Should I do something productive and actually go out to buy a new phone?" and then I saw the new video. PS: If Johnlock isn't canon at the end of the series 4, I will eat a cactus as well

[@Thomas_Winters]

you seriously need more subscribers.

[@inthemoondust2900]

I love TAB as well! I can't wait to see the rest of the videos about it! (also, this video has just cemented the fact that I follow way to many popular Sherlock blogs because I am following all of the ones that are mentioned. XD)

[@SoledadSuarezPeabody]

Oops, there goes the last shred of doubt I had left in my mind!! Lol, what can you do :)))

[@achaoticbee]

Holy. Shit. I've been doubting whether the writers will actually make Johnlock canon due to the dark as all hell tone of series 4, but since you guys predicted TAB so well, you're most likely right about this.

[@Thomas_Winters]

Beccy Hill their distracting you. Of course their not going to show you in the trailer and that's probably why we didn't see Sherlock and John together so much.

[@achaoticbee]

Good point, I'll keep that in mind.

[@sunriselg]

But seriously. I've read somewhere that foreign-language-subtitles always have to synchronize with the subtitles in the original language. I am not sure whether this is true. If it is, I can't just put the translation of the on-screen-text into the subtitles because it would get split up in a weird way. If it is true, that also means I put an immense amount of wasted time into the timing of the ASiP-translation. I will wait for the approval of those, before I do any more translations.

[@sunriselg]

It seems like KZbin kept my timing, but removed extra blank space that I used for lining up the text in neat little boxes. Damn, I have to work around that.

[@jazzjohnson1203]

Really excited for your next uploads Rebeka! Keep up the amazing work ^-^ ❤

[@Barbett22]

I loved watching you watch the show it is so adorable.

[@strongsarah]

I wish I could give your videos an extra "thumbs up" each time I re-watch them! :)

[@Vidgirl8]

Everything has been spot on so far. I'm excited for the next video!!! :D

[@ro.shells]

sorry but are we just not going to talk about the life-size cutouts of sherlock and john ,, like pls take my money

[@Lilworrierstar]

'high on their own narcissism' I think that's right for the writers so far

[@iluvbaseball64]

Steven saying those things about lgbt+ representation always makes me cry. he's such a great man.

[@Nemo_Anom]

I get impatient and suspicious and yell "actions speak louder than words!!!"" and grumble into my morning tea.

[@saraagrinsoni7588]

I will eat a cactus if johnlock doesn't become canon

[@sabrinaarmijo2143]

Great like always! I think Baby Watson's name is Maggie because the clue is Thatcher and the six Thatcher case is already been solved.

[@rosewilliams7167]

Thanks for the video. I was having a panic attack in bed an hour ago (I've not had one for months) but detailed analysis of Sherlock combats shallow breathing rather well and I'm back on planet earth now. I can't explain well, I just need to say good work and thank you.

[@siriolsen1204]

Ahh, Rebecka, you're too efficient! I'm in the middle of a TAB meta right now and I want it out so badly before you start discussing TAB specifics, because I saw your video on mirroring in TAB and I disagree in a pretty important aspect, so I would like my meta to be out there for consideration, but I'm moving too slow.

[@randomfandom3343]

A grumpy bisexual. If that doesn't sum up John..

[@morganadelacour]

Okay, now you've got me. I officially believe in tjlc to 99%. Before that I really hoped that it was true but had my doubts, but now they've disappeared almost entirely. Especially the interview with Amanda at the end of this video proved it to me. What else could she be talking about? Seriously, what could make televison history nowadays, what is something that has never been done before? There is really nothing else that I can think of what she could have meant. If someone has an idea, please tell me ;-P Oh btw, I finally managed to watch your videos again, I had to take a break because I was quite busy with other stuff, but now I try to watch all of your videos before season 4 airs ^^ I doubt that I'll be able to do that, but I'll really try to at least watch your videos about the M theory, because I'm interessted in that topic but I never had the time to read it myself.

[@MultiCirkeline]

This was uploaded at the best possible time AND I AM SO READY FOR THE ABOMINABLE BRIDE VIDEOS!! I have been looking forward to them for so long! As alway, thank you so much for making these videos Rebs(Can I call you Rebs? Is this gonna be weird if you say no...?), you truly are a gift to this fandom :)

[@Jay.T4NA]

Wow, I saw the notification on my phone and I just ran to my computer, while mid conversation with my mother to watch this!!

[@miravlogs616]

Joining the fandom so recently, I never knew about the gay victorian fever dream, but wow that makes me believe even more

[@holdingmythoughtsinmyheart]

Mira Vlogs same here

[@camilagallardo7693]

I love your videos!

[@wilmahjarp5802]

I just realised that Mary's soundtrack should be wannabe by spice girls. " if you want my future, forget my past" It's actually perfect.

[@oliviagibbs1906]

this is the only reading that makes sense

[@reeseanderson1600]

HAHA WHEN YOU REALIZE THERE'S ONLY TWO MONTHS UNTIL SERIES FOUR

[@erikadl1936]

WHEN YOU REALIZE THERE'S ONLY 11 DAYS UNTIL SERIES FOUR

[@reeseanderson1600]

+Erika DL HAHAHA I SAW THAT COMMENT AS I WAS LEAVING SWIM PRACTICE AND I SCREAMED IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF PEOPLE EXERCISING AT THE GYM IM S H O O K

[@michenry8]

Reese Anderson WHEN YOU REALIZE THERE'S LESS THAN A WEEK TILL SEASON 4

[@all-the-johnlock9740]

where is that top saying 'don't talk to me if you don't think sherlock holmes is gay' in the intro from? I need it

[@all-the-johnlock9740]

Thanks! Great video btw, this is a good quick response to friends who don't want to hear the three hour ramble I usually have to give about TJLC :)

[@sammyangel98]

If I ever meet Gatiss and Moffet I'm going to award them for "Best TV Liars of All Time"

[@stef8723]

I am totally in love with you and your work. You are amazing💕

[@lizzaznabaev9748]

Great work! Can't wait for the next one!!

[@AuroreDC]

OMG you made my day thank thank you for doing your videos

[@emilyh154]

I love you

[@winterfromwisthollow]

okay, now i'm crying :') it has to be true, i would be so happy if i could watch them making television history 💕

[@15mice31]

I'm at the 99% point and I'm slowly getting there like, they're going to kiss come on! Idk though I'm scared.

[@mori5509]

Also, I'm so excited to see what the meta writers were right about :3

[@user-on4sj1rr8o]

Hello! Rebekah, you is amazing! Thank you for what you do. Thank you for the hard work. That you opened for me a brave new world!

[@veralidaine97]

Gatiss: couldn't be here today because he's beginning to crack. XD XD XD

[@leslieshepherd1272]

Can't wait for you to deconstruct the gay fever dream. The cactus is safe.

[@soufflegirl725]

thanks for making my day :3

[@sarahvargas1241]

You make me so happy with this! #TJLC