To Die On A Transporter, Hardly A Fitting End

Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e11 · Data's Day
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[@danieldb631]

"Enterprise, what we got back, didn't live long...fortunately." "Did I hear that right? He turned inside out and then he exploded?!"

[@MP-ej9pw]

Never give-up. Never surrender.

[@zagnorch1336]

GORIGNAK!

[@MartijnCoppoolse]

V'ger never gave up, never surrendered!

[@Afterburner215]

Can you form some sort of rudimentary laythe?

[@Fox-86]

Standard operating procedures require you to rip off your shirt in tense situations

[@PMW3]

"A maneuver worthy of a Romulan" If I remember correctly, that's some fun foreshadowing

[@Dee_Just_Dee]

I just looked it up, and you remembered right. Ambassador T'Pel was actually a Romulan spy. The Romulans called for the meeting, beamed her aboard themselves, and staged the transporter accident to extract her from Federation cover.

[@bigbadcreoledaddy]

Romulan duplicity aside, the more I learn about transporters the more I sympathize with Dr. McCoy.

[@Zikar]

It's one of those things, it's much like aeroplanes or elevators. They're used hundreds if not thousands if not tens of thousands of times with no issue, but when they go wrong they go wrong spectacularly and horrifically.

[@LeoH3L1]

@@Zikar But these things literally destroy you and make a copy, then destroy that copy and make another copy when you come back to the ship. It's not a case of them going wrong, they are horrific even when they're working correctly.

[@Zikar]

@@LeoH3L1 Within the lore of Star Trek that's not how they work, your consciousness is transferred.

[@anonymator]

Transporters got nothing on holodecks. Those are true bane of Star Trek :)

[@dfghj241]

@@Zikar of course that lacks any explanation at all, what is counsciousness then? counsciousness isn't energy is it? it is literally the result of very material things that, if they are broken apart, seizes to be. if the thing is trasporting you at the speed of light somewhere else it most definitly is severing your cousciousness, there is NO way around it, unless you know you teleport the body, and you fly the brain to the destination then you reassemble there.

[@dennish300]

The Romulan commander made a mistake when he said what Picard had "done" was worthy of a Romulan. It got Picard thinking of Romulan deceptions and tactics...

[@seriascannain6675]

He probably would have been suspicious anyway, there were unresolved issues as they did not know the cause of the accident?

[@dennish300]

@@seriascannain6675 true....but never stoke the fire... Lol

[@rkbkirin5975]

Knowing what actually happened, you can appreciate how the Commander's conversation was actually gloating and jabbing at the Federation captain he thought he had duped.

[@dennish300]

@@rkbkirin5975 Wrong Captain to try and dupe. Perhaps if he had ever spoken with Commander Tomalak, he wouldn't have made that mistake.. lol.

[@seriascannain6675]

@@dennish300 Which Captain do you think he would be mostly likely to be duped?

[@SeaScoutDan]

2:00 The Romulan is projecting. Swapping "you" and "I", the episode plot summary appears. "You should have known the Romulans were not serious about peace. . . . I made a transported accident to disrupt negotiations."

[@henrikmikaelkristensen4784]

"Accuse the other of that you are guilty." Accusation in a mirror.

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

​@henrikmikaelkristensen4784 'tis the playbook of leftwing "progressives"

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Actually, the whole negotiations were a ruse to repatriate their spy, and if Picard had not found out it was a romulan ploy, they would have gotten away with it completely and unnoticed. Federation is gullible as always.

[@scottys1423]

When Crusher said the molecular structure dissipated instantly when the pattern was lost and only traces of organic matter were on the pad, my first thought was try and get a DNA sample to confirm it really was the ambassador beaming over.

[@GENERIC_CHANNEL_HANDLE]

My first thought was "are they breathing in corpse particles?" I prefer your line of reasoning. 😂

[@TheAechBomb]

a great idea, but I think transporter dissapation would destroy dna

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

But it was her

[@nesenda]

She did say there wasnt enough for an autopsy, i assume that includes dna testing

[@protorhinocerator142]

This might not be effective. They could simply clone the ambassador and send the clone over to die.

[@Turboy65]

The ambassador apparently died during transport from the Enterprise to the warbird Devoras. During an investigation, Data discovered that the transporter accident was staged and surmised that T'Pel was actually alive and being held hostage by the Romulans. It was later discovered that T'Pel was in fact Sub-Commander Selok, a Romulan agent assigned to infiltrate the Federation diplomatic corps - the peace overtures and transporter malfunction carefully planned in order to facilitate her extraction. (TNG: "Data's Day") (from Memory Alpha)

[@halbos7637]

Wow, I rally need to rewatch this episode.

[@sasukesarutobi3862]

​@@halbos7637 It's a very good episode. I'm pretty sure it's also the one in which O'Brien and Keiko get married.

[@pillepolle3122]

Reading your summary took me longer than watching the episode

[@Turboy65]

@@pillepolle3122Your attention deficit is not my problem.

[@pillepolle3122]

@@Turboy65 oh it is your Problem.

[@DarthCalculus]

That romulan commander is so menacing. Very well performed

[@marks47]

Alan Scarfe. If you want to see him in a series, check out Seven Days. He's the director of a time-travel project.

[@twocvbloke]

I like the comments here talking about the transporter malfunction in TMP, when Data says "This type of accident", he meant it literally, a transporter beam just "losing" all the matter and the ambassador's pattern just completely disappearing into nothing, whereas in TMP, the two beaming aboard the Enterprise had their patterns scrambled due to "a faulty module" and reassembled in a jumbled mess back on Earth when they pulled them back, dying almost immediately on rematerialisation, but then, this episode, it was no accident of course... :)

[@boscovilante4068]

Dr. Crusher. "There's nothing left of her but beans." Picard: "We mourn her loss. But as long as we have these tin of beans to remember her by she will have won true immortality."

[@Vespyr_]

*Realizes he had been opening the tin because he wanted a snack...* Oh shi---

[@kbanghart]

​@@RoachDoggJuniorthis is our hill. And these are our beans.

[@thomassmith6232]

McCoy was right! There's no way I'd ever use one of those things!

[@Teth47]

Even just counting what's seen in the show, they have a better safety record than cars... I wouldn't get in one anyway though, it's not about the safety record, it's that they "teleport" you by scanning you at an atomic level, making a copy at your destination, and vaporizing you.

[@LordTalax]

@@Teth47nah that's not how Star Trek transporters work.

[@Mark73]

She's alive. The Romulans transported her off the pad. She was actually a spy working for them

[@dr.robertjohnson6953]

First we copy you, store the copy in a buffer, then disintegrate you (which means kill you) then we put the copy where we want it. On a planet, a ship, etc… So the copy survives, not knowing the death of the original. And the same thing happens when beamed back. Aint no way for me either. Give me wormholes. Or that doorway to other dimensions. Where you stay intact the entire trip. I had a bad dream. I was on federation station, orbiting a planet, and used the transpoter to get down to the planet. There was a malfunction. Instead of materializing on the planer I materialized in a food dispenser. Which uses the same technology. Only because of the size of the dispenser “emitters” I came out about six inches tall. In a plate of Gauk (sp?) with Commander Worf looking and seeing the squirming Gauk, and declaring, “YES! Live Gauk!”

[@lancer525]

@@LordTalaxThat's *exactly* how transporters work.

[@DeltaEcho303]

Riker better not invite Admiral Mendek to his poker night. With his bluffing skills, he'd beat a straight flush with a pair of 3's.

[@Vespyr_]

He'd have three pairs of 3s. lol

[@boscovilante4068]

One of the most honoured diplomats, lol. Federation might just wanna double check the folks they are giving the big honors to.

[@ki5aok]

Yea, an extensive background check probably wouldn't hurt the next time they're passing out ambassador titles.

[@sephservant]

In hindsight, I'm thinking the real T'pel was murdered by the Romulans and replaced with a surgically altered infiltrator.

[@superpilotdude]

@@sephservant that would make more sense.

[@Gothic7876]

A deep cover sleeper agent. Not that much of a stretch that she slipped through the net. Or Starfleet Intelligence knew who she really was to begin with and was using her, without her knowing,

[@JemHadar422]

She had been in deep cover for more than 50 years.

[@samuelweir5985]

It took a lot of Chutzpah for the Romulan commander to insinuate that Picard killed the ambassador with a planned "accident" when the Romulan commander knew that his side planned the "accident" and that the ambassador was safe and sound. His performance was a maneuver worthy of a Romulan.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

Thankfully Worf had the good sense of not interrupting Picard's musings.

[@Joeybsmooth]

Picard: we don't kill our own, even for something like this. Janeway: what do you mean WE.

[@zagnorch1336]

RIP Tuvix

[@danivarius]

… me we?

[@Spock4771]

Tuvix was a mistake she made tge right call

[@kbanghart]

​@@Spock4771agree

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

This was before this episode 'Data's Day' was season 4 the episode where they encounter a clone of Riker was in season 6 and that episode was called 'Second Chances' where the other Riker was a Lieutenant and he was serving onboard the starship Potemkin.

[@jamiesmith4293]

The Romulan took that pretty well. And it was a weird accident. I think something's up.

[@JosephDickson]

Tough day for Miles on this channel. 🤣

[@blockmasterscott]

OMG it is!

[@TheRealTerranMarine]

Wait til we get to DS9

[@zagnorch1336]

@@TheRealTerranMarine The poor man's gonna (SPOILER ALERT) get downright suicidal at one point.

[@taopilot2669]

You can hear it in his voice, he's scared for his job.

[@jacksonheathen2092]

@@TheRealTerranMarine Exactly. O'Brien had some worse days on DS9. Like when the Cardassians put him on trial for allegedly smuggling weapons, or the memory implant of serving 20 years in a shit hole prison.

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

Too bad Troi wasn't on the bridge to tell he was lying but I guess she was busy washing something.

[@havok531]

She was washing her hair.

[@AzguardMike]

Troi "Captain, he is hiding something Picard: Can you tell what it might be? Troi: No. He is too well mentally disciplined thats how it usually goes with that useless sow

[@aluisious]

@@AzguardMikedamn dude

[@Man0fMeans]

@@AzguardMikeholy smokes but lmao!

[@kilvesx7924]

what a useless and annoying character. I can remember exactly 2 Troi episodes and both of them I remember only because of how awful they were.

[@jamaldominicbarr7379]

Star Trek died in 2009! My gosh compelling stuff this is, take me back take me back!

[@cogentdesign]

Geordi was so happy to be able to dissect all the transporter systems.

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

Yeah seriously what's with Star Trek and its obsession over getting Vulcans in transporter accidents.

[@dmanc85]

Vulcans have never had an affinity for beans, and since Neelix was from the Delta Quadrant, all he knew about was Leola Root :(

[@zagnorch1336]

@@dmanc85 Speaking of transporter accidents, Vulcans, and Neelix: anybody remember Tuvix?

[@thatkid1912]

@@zagnorch1336 Murdered but forever in our hearts.

[@zagnorch1336]

@@thatkid1912 Thank Gawd SOMEone remembers.

[@kbanghart]

​@@thatkid1912 not murdered

[@jacksonheathen2092]

My favorite Romulan commander was Toreth from "face of the enemy". She also played the Romulan commander (Taris) in an earlier episode "contagion". In fact she (Carolyn Seymour) also played Mirasta Yale in a different TNG episode, and Mrs. Templeton in several of Janeway's holodeck programs on Voyager.

[@3Rayfire]

Toreth was my favorite too. So much intelligence and dignity. She thought for herself. She had the same honor as the TOS Romulans.

[@jacksonheathen2092]

@@3Rayfire 👍😁

[@kellyweingart3692]

First Contact

[@jacksonheathen2092]

@@kellyweingart3692 Exactly. Marasta Yale.

[@SmokeyMcb]

"Have you got some reason you want my atoms scattered all over space, boy?" Quoted by Admiral ["McCoy"] to Data in the Star Trek:The Next Generation episode called: "Encounter At Farpoint" "Please let everything be in the right place!" Quoted by McCoy

[@TheFlyingSailorYT]

I love how Riker always thinks of the Romulans first... He's got it in for them BAD.

[@james_ford86]

As well he should. Most Romulans throughout the entire history of Star Trek have been malicious, had ill intent toward the Federation, along with the Vulcans, and were downright deceptive. In fact, I can't remember if there were any other sentient species they did get along with and trust implicitly. That said, there were some good Romulans who did not behave in such ways. In that way, they were not unlike humans. Romulans are basically more intelligent and less ugly Ferengi, if you toned way down the Ferengi's obsession with money and the way the treated their women. It's funny though: it seems a lot of the Star Trek species, such as Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans, Ferengi, etc. all represented different extremities of humans. This would make sense, since the show is written by us. It's only natural we'd imprint our own characteristics on alien species.

[@TheNitroG1]

@@james_ford86 Every race of star trek represents a different facet of human psycology none of them are particularly good because the point is that the reason humanity was the force trying to unite the galaxy in peace is because they represented all the facets in balance. The klingons are boastful and violent. The ferengi are greedy and cowardly, The kardasians are huberous and sadistic, The vulcans logical and unfeeling, The bijorians are rebellious and vengeful. Each race can essentially be boiled down to two traits that left unchecked creates awful behavior. Even the vulcans with their lack of emotion often do terrible things simply because it is most logical. Then they would use those stereotypes to create characters by having them stray from that architype into one of the others. A moment of bravery for a Ferengi, A vulcan who feels emotions, A bijoran who end up working with her former slaver, A klingon who learns to fight by thinking rather than simply overpowering his opponent. Notice all of these characters like Worf and Spock also were either half human or their changes only started once they were introduced to humanity.

[@berner]

All I ever hear from Romulans is "Wahh wahh wahh, nobody likes us, wahh wahh wahh".

[@garyfrancis6193]

This why I have stopped using my transporter.

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

'There is no prior record of this type of accident accouring aboard a Starship' really Data you should check the historical records of what happened when the Constitution Refit class came into service when 2 crewmembers tried to beam aboard the Enterprise but the transporter malfunctioned and killed both of them.

[@kevinslater4126]

He's probably being pedantic about the exact cause of the accident which is so very Data

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@kevinslater4126 yeah the cause of malfunction on the refit enterprise was identified hence the no prior record comment. transporter accidents in the federation are less then a handful each year and usually the cause is identified.

[@imperium3556]

Favourite part of that is that in the same film they proceeded to call Bones superstitious for not wanting to use the transporter.

[@zagnorch1336]

@@imperium3556 Then they tacked that same attitude about transporters onto Dr. Pulaski to try and make her more Bones-like. It's safe to say it didn't work quite as well for her.

[@Three-Headed-Monkey]

Which movie, BTW?

[@ultramaximusreviews]

There are no prior records of this type of accident aboard a Starship? Data CLEARLY did not watch Star Trek: The Motion Picture

[@dmanc85]

Well he is correct in essence, the accident was caused due to a transporter malfunction initialised from a ground station to a starship, not the other way around.

[@3rdalbum]

The accident in TMP was very different.

[@markforster6457]

Star Trek: The Motionless Picture? Where Nomad has Gone Before?

[@do-ineedtosay723]

This actor played the best Romulan ever! Wish we could see him play in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. *

[@jeremy1860]

Definitely one of my favourite TNG episodes 😊

[@android584]

Easy to forget how good TNG was. The best for suspension of disbelief bar none. Although Babylon 5 has superior storytelling in my opinion, it often feels like a bunch of actors on a set.

[@sarcasticguy4311]

"I suggest we both leave the Neutral Zone before there is another... accident." (Worf soils himself) "Too late."

[@googleuser8740]

Whilst eating a good book Wharf soils himself

[@sarcasticguy4311]

@@googleuser8740 Good ol' Wharf down by the docks.

[@magneto7816]

Sure hope O'Brien wasn't drunk when this happened.

[@BedsitBob]

Data is wrong. There has been a prior incident. Commander Sonak, and another officer (name unknown), died, in a similar transporter malfunction.

[@DustyLBottoms]

The officer is named in the novel

[@jleonas]

OBrien should be in the brig for his incompetence.

[@kbanghart]

Why? It was an accident.

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

Dr. Crusher : I've only been able to trace some predigested BEANS!

[@maxmauer3353]

Those wigglin’ beans trouble me.

[@dboymax1]

Data must have forgot about the transporter incident that happened during Star Trek The Motion Picture...

[@jim2lane]

The key word in Data's response is "type", as in "this type of accident" referring to the manner in which the incident transpired. I'm sure there had been several transporter accidents through the years, but all were explainable from a systemic point of view

[@FLAME4564]

Indeed The Romulan Admrial couled have sent their Ambassador Guest to the EnterpriseD via one of their Romulan Shuttles i mean what where they thinking or even waiting for?.

[@randyekman3185]

Man, your channel is like crack to me. Nice work!

[@TheNitroG1]

Well...that's immediately suspicious. He just instantly is like 'no bro you killed the ambassador to prevent this negotiation from taking place.' terrible poker face on that one. If he didn't already know what happened he would have given them some time to investigate so he could find out.

[@SuperChicken666]

But they had replaced the transition coil just last week. 😮

[@aluisious]

Everyone who has ever transported died.

[@tomdumb6937]

Imagine how reg would react to this!

[@fatfreddyscoat7564]

“…there wasn’t enough to do an autopsy”. No shit, Sherlock!

[@TheNitroG1]

Kind of amazing if you think about it...because if you have a literal scan of them down to the molecular level...why would an autopsy even be needed? This requires a diagnostic of the equipment not an autopsy of some left over slime. Why the hell did they even call Dr crusher, did they say "Dr crusher to transporter room 1, bring a mop." and she just didn't hear it?

[@themuseboy]

Wow Data's comment at the very beginning, "I greatly miss the ability to share human feelings." If you don't have feelings and can't share them how do you "greatly miss" the ability to share them? What were the writers thinking?

[@FLAME4564]

Well what can they do? I mean honestly since Data is after all an Android i mean what can the writers do with an android characrer like Data voice acted and played as brilliantly as someone like Brent Spiner after all?

[@user-zy5cf8tv9o]

He was incapable of feeling but still held sentimentality to shared items, memories and belongings. This is why he kept the things from his prior relationship as well as mementos, despite having no emotions compelling him to do so.

[@junbh2]

He didn't seem to believe he had feelings but it's shown many times by his actions and words that he did have some form of feelings. Different enough from human ones to make it difficult for him to fully understand human feelings, but still feelings of a kind. Maybe Data has such complicated AI that he learned things his creator didn't think were possible for him to learn.

[@jupiter0jupiter]

I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder! 😂

[@Teth47]

Both he and the show misunderstand what emotion is. He obviously has feelings, they just aren't human feelings. Emotion is the low-resolution orienting network that directs our attention to keep us alive and healthy. Data does not need that to be the base layer, so his emotions are less intense and always subservient to other cognitive processes. They're almost unrecognuzably different from organically-derived emotion, but it's definitely there.

[@johnw1743]

Can'tecall: did we ever find out what happened to the real ambassador? Though if the imposter had got her personality right, perhaps nobody cared where she was.

[@Vespyr_]

Wow, what a schemer. That was amazing. He totally wrecked Picard there lol

[@3rdalbum]

I clicked Like before the actual content even started

[@ducknorris233]

FunFact- The Next Gen is based loosely on a PinBall Machine theme.

[@raytylicki52-gh9nr]

This did happen before in Star Trek the movie

[@willumbermarchant5510]

'I greatly miss having emotions' doesn't really make a lot of sense

[@whirledpeaz5758]

The ambassador was a Romulan and the Transporter "accident" was a ploy to hide her repatriation.

[@Dowlphin]

No one asked. (People can watch the rest, after all.)

[@combcomclrlsr]

Gates McFadden is just too hot.

[@Zeithri]

Meanwhile in Star Trek TMP: " _Horrendous scream of being turned inside-out from a transporter accident_ "

[@thesnare100]

Why wouldn't Vulcan's be able to tell lies? I know the ambassador was really romulan, but I never understood that. What makes them incapable of doing so? Data says it in this episode, and Spock says it, but Tuvok said it Voyager Vulcan could. I used to think they didn't have emotions, either. They have strong ones but adhere to their strict logic philosophy.

[@davidchism6081]

Volcans have emotions, they are just disciplined to be logical beings.

[@thesnare100]

@@davidchism6081but Data acts like they physically can't, which I used to believe as well.

[@wrestlingconnoisseur]

An autopsy? What need for an autopsy, the cause of death is a transporter malfunction.

[@satanofficial3902]

What would be worse? There being romulans around Uranus or klingons?

[@petejones879]

For once I can understand the Romulans suspicions.. Even tho it was a genuine accident it would appear suspicious to the party concerned.. In this case the Romulans

[@esraeloh8681]

Wow, how like Putin the Romulans now seem

[@pangalactictuber]

Did Crusher really need to spell out that a tiny smidge of tissue residue is not sufficient to perform an autopsy?

[@paulcoy9060]

Is it just me, or is Picard's uniform in the transporter room lighter than Riker's? Like it's been washed too many times? And then on the bridge, it's back to red? Filmed on different days, I guess.

[@TheNitroG1]

It's kind of a gross detail about the show, but the uniforms were made of form fitting spandex that did not breath well at all. so frequently the actors would be marinating in their own sweat all day and often times the color of the uniform would end up darker in some scenes. So it could be that or a different day, or maybe just a costume change because again...they were very uncomfortable.

[@bluceree7312]

The Romulan remind me of Putin - they are so obvious.

[@davidtauriainen9116]

Well, Csptain, everyone on a transporter pad dies...

[@Knightfall182]

'Vulcans' and transporters 😬

[@johnrickard8512]

That was no accident

[@Deadpool_64]

When you watch the episode, you know that he was gaslighting tf out of Picard in this scene.

[@LordTalax]

The Romulan plot was a much better story than the O'briens whining at each other pre-wedding.

[@ivanivonovich9863]

If one can turn matter into energy, and then back, then why can't the transporter re-assemble the "person" who is lost? Don't they do a back-up record of the one being transported.

[@patmcbride9853]

I can think of a lot o people in politics that tell you what they are up to by claiming their opposition is doing something awful.

[@TC1TheOrginal]

I wonder if people are just cloned in transporting. You just cease to exist, and your clone is no wiser he wasn't the original.

[@dennispanko6311]

Wasn't there another episode where exactly this happened? Riker was beamed up from a planet, but due to another transporter accident a clone of him was left behind on the planet. The episode explored the implications of having two William Rikers.

[@MozzaBurger88]

Ever played the game SOMA ? This is it. Kinda. It's a scary thought.

[@TC1TheOrginal]

@@dennispanko6311 good point. It seems more logical people are just copied, and then deleted.

[@FEARSWTOR]

That's basically what it is. You're not being teleported; you're being *disintegrated* and your molecules are shot/replicated through a particle beam to be rebuilt at another location and you magically retain all your memories

[@mulgerbill]

“I teleported home last night with Ron and Sid and Meg Ron stole Meggy's heart away and I got Sidney's leg.” ~Douglas Adams_The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe"

[@thomasfletcher4765]

So , basically his beans were scattered into oblivion ?

[@zagnorch1336]

And now you know why he can't have any children of his own.

[@Bartonovich52]

You die every time you go on a transporter. Your copy materializes on the other side with all of your memories… including that of a successful transport.

[@Bartonovich52]

And yes… it’s all you. It’s the exact same atoms and energy that your body was built out of.. but they were ripped apart and that is when life ceased. There is no “reassemble Johnny 5”.

[@Necrogeared]

Here's my hot take, every infinitesimally small division of time constitutes a distinct and unique "self", and continuity of consciousness is an illusion arising from our ability to store and access memories. As such I'd consider "dying" in a transporter to be practically no different to existing from second to second. Assuming the appropriate level of technology is achievable though, I could see "duplication/replication/perfect cloning" being considered more reliably ethical than transportation, at least under certain sets of circumstances. Treating one's future self as a separate person, albeit one you're considerably more familiar with than most, is an interesting and useful perspective to explore, I find.

[@johnritcher5751]

Beans!!!!

[@ronwade5433]

Ambassador Topell is alive.

[@seikibrian8641]

* *T'Pel.*

[@Dowlphin]

There is a playlist people can watch, you know.

[@CheezyDee]

Spoiler Alert! She's alive and has been kidnapped by the Pacleds for her grilled cheese recipe.

[@Oceanic2409]

or baked beans??

[@vgernyc]

0:34 Star Trek: The Motion Picture cries in a corner kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKDCgqN6f71gic0

[@annoyed707]

With Stardates and being on an FTL ship, what does 'last week' mean?

[@Aluze]

Don;t you die every time you use one? It basically just vaporizes you and assembles a replica with your memories ont he other side who has no idea the original just died

[@Dowlphin]

This is the episode where Data is so preoccupied with his diary activities that he risks triggering a war by violating security protocol after 'bragging' about it.

[@nps5886]

Conventently forgetting about stmp transporter incident

[@Dowlphin]

He said this type of accident, not any transporter accident. Of course some of those happened.

[@Jonathan32177]

Correction... technically ,everyone dies on a transporter .. and is just replaced with a perfect copy

[@christopherstoeckel9306]

But at that point, one has to ask if they are still the same person or different? Also, what about the cells? Are they in exactly the same shape as before transport?

[@Jonathan32177]

@@christopherstoeckel9306 The Transporter in this show creates a thought experiment , mirroring The Ship of Theseus.

[@CFSworks]

Quantum field theory tells us that atoms of the same species are indistinguishable: there's no way to know that we're made of the 'same' atoms as we were two seconds ago, because the question itself is as meaningless as going to the bank, withdrawing a $1 bill, and asking "now how long ago did I deposit this specific dollar? Do you do the withdrawals last-in-first-out or first-in-first-out?" Taken to its extreme, this *technically* means I can claim that we're all being replaced with a perfect copy of ourselves every 1 Planck time and it wouldn't be possible to prove me wrong. Personally, I wonder if human beings are made exclusively of matter, or if there is some yet-undiscovered life force from which the body gets ripped away when using a transporter, making it collapse dead on arrival. I don't think there's any evidence to suggest such a thing, but on the other hand I doubt we can rule it out until we actually have the technology to try it. 😅

[@Jonathan32177]

@@CFSworks Very interesting , As to the first part I would have to counter with the ship of theseus thought experiment. as to the second, the possibility of the "soul, or spark of life" factor has always been a plot hole consideration in the technology. In universe I always hoped a Q would address. And since the existence of a soul or unbodied consciousness has been confirmed in universe many times. It would also then beg to question . where at exactly is the mind connected to the body. is it an individual atom that leashes the soul or the collection of the whole to the physical body during transportation. How does the destruction and re construction of the physical move the metaphysical in space?

[@CFSworks]

​@@Jonathan32177 I'm unsure if the Ship of Theseus quite applies here. With the Ship, it is possible in principle to distinguish the parts (e.g. by paying careful attention to the wood grain), so to me the thought experiment is more "does it count as 'the same' when it's undeniably different parts, but in the same arrangement, if the parts were replaced gradually?" The transporter, unless it uses some kind of lossy compression or otherwise works imperfectly, doesn't change anything: same arrangement, check. But when working with particles this tiny, "exact same particle" is just a shorter way of saying "exact same quantum numbers+state." There is no distinction between "identical" and "equivalent" in particle physics. So here, the parts are the same, the arrangement is the same, and nothing has been replaced gradually. You could march right into Engineering and lie "I have never, ever used a transporter!" and Geordi could run no test on your body that would disprove you. (Though... he might just check the logs, hah.) Interested to know more about how we've detected disembodied consciousness in the universe! The last time I checked, the vitalism vs. materialism debate was still unsettled, even though I lean toward the former camp myself. If there is definitely more to our being than just physical matter, then there absolutely would be grounds for saying "this is not Picard; this is 100% Picard's *body,* but it's a different person."

[@brianellinger6622]

didnt i start as a child called "it" or something?.....

[@karaoke99]

The Star Trek transporter is a suicide box: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIKrc3SaiM2aj6s

[@darkhunter5293]

Hell of a Futurama reference.

[@otomicans6580]

Dying on a transporter isn't fitting at all. Better that to die on an away mission, eh Captain Picard?

[@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming]

And so escalated the B plot of the episode

[@THEC.O.VISIT.]

No records of this on a starship? They didn't see Star Trek The Motion Picture obviously, that was traumatizing.

[@Gothic7876]

Different types of incidents.

[@sarcasticguy4311]

I think that one was a warranty issue.

[@jebclang9403]

4 Romulans disliked this video

[@thomassmith6232]

Actually everyone who ever used a transporter died the first time they used it. Thereafter they were only soulless clones.

[@williamburroughs9686]

These Robelens must have taken lessons from Democrats.

[@rohricwl]

Another pointless excerpt from tjwparso. If he was doing Gunsmoke, he'd show Matt and Kitty at the bar, and Chester limps in and says, "Mr. Dillon, Jack Smith is in town and I think he's looking for trouble." End of Excerpt.

[@dmanc85]

You're not obliged to watch this channel you know. You can always just stop watching the vids? 14,500 people clearly enjoy what tjwparso is doing.

[@rohricwl]

@@dmanc85 I like Star Trek and hoped for the best. But this is probably the fourth of his videos I have watched and they all seemed pointless. I will not watch any more.

[@chaylockyer5395]

@@rohricwl I said good DAY sir!

[@copter2000]

We will miss you. I think?

[@dmanc85]

@@rohricwl Also how was it pointless? What happened in this clip was a major plotpoint for the last quarter of the episode!