TL;DR: Blame Biden

[@godmuva8944]

TL;DR: Blame the Democratic Party. Stop trying to find a scapegoat and take a honest internal look at the structure as a whole. I did not vote red, but I’m not surprised at this win.

[@donkeybus]

As soon as they were forced to admit theyd been lyimg about bidens health for a year+ it was over. Like you I didnt vote trump, but it was obvious he would win as soon as they picked Harris for us.

[@stevechance150]

Trump appeals to unhappy people, and America is FULL of unhappy Americans.

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

Institutions are like people. When they are too fragile to take criticism or self-reflect they become unbearable

[@MWhaleK]

Blame them for rewarding the consultant class, win or lose, and crushing the Occupy movement as well as Bernie's chances at becoming president, TWICE!! They would rather fight and destroy members of the own coalition/party that are on the left, who are actually popular and support wildly popular ideas, than the Republicans.

[@vinista256]

@@godmuva8944 I’m not either-there is actually a global anti-incumbent sentiment out there right now.

[@protonmail1970]

Zero self reflection that they had a change candidate in Bernie Sanders but slashed his achilles every step of the way.

[@donkeybus]

Or Willamson, or Phillips, but they sabatoged their own primary syetem AGAIN

[@placeholder3853]

They literally blame the dems not having a proper choice in their candidate since 2008, listen for once

[@DAntiprodukt]

Saying Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed democratric socialist, could take the election where the entire electorate drifted to the right is political flat-earthism. It's not just garden variety idiocy, it's useful idiocy to republicans. He gets smashed in every primary (and by all means try again) not because he was sabotaged but because his platform is extremely unpopular outside of reddit.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

Bernie would have lost in an avalanche though.

[@vinista256]

@@donkeybus Williamson and Phillips dropped out because their vote share was negligible. Get real.

[@robertoalex4245]

Listening to the journalists and analysts talk over these few days, and hearing all of these pompous mental gymnastics that are completely besides the true points, just shows how deluded and just completely insides their own bubbles they are.

[@direwolf6234]

absolutely ... they pontificate for months .. get everything wrong .. and never lose their well paying jobs ...

[@alephmale3171]

You don’t know the true points either. You’re just gloating.

[@Edo9River]

Yeah, can I guess you voted for President Trump? lol

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

@@direwolf6234they literally predicted Trump winning, are you high?

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

You know comments like this would have a lot more bite to them if you actually pointed out specific examples of what you’re referring to

[@SquashOclock]

for a podcast about the dems failures they do spend way too much time talking about trump and the right.

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

💯😂😂😂

[@higgleopss]

And they did not say most important word of all a single damn time. DONORS.

[@henkrpe3249]

For a party whose tagline is "we are not the party of Donald Trump", a lot of our arguments this podcast is centered around "but the Republicans do it too!"

[@ryansteve2893]

The irony of this entire podcast is straight out of The Onion.

[@navdeepkumar5085]

I started listening just in background, and I got the same vibes out of it.

[@sullathehutt7720]

Democrats: totally delusional old guard losers

[@mor4652]

The contempt these people have for voters is palpable.

[@scottharrison812]

Voting for trump deserves contempt.

[@wesleystreet]

@@scottharrison812 What about the Democratic base that stayed home because liberals tacked to the right?

[@mor4652]

@scottharrison812 ok. Have contempt for 74M people, and alienate 15M more who'd rather stay homethan vote for Democrats, and feel high and mighty about yourself while Republicans keep winning elections. 🙄

[@mor4652]

​@@scottharrison812 ok. Have contempt for 74M people and alienate 10M more people who would rather sit home than vote for Democrats and sit securely in your condescending self-righteousness while Republicans keep winning elections. 🙄

[@aCleverFishingPun]

NEOLIBERALS CANNOT BE THE CHANGE CANDIDATES. They don’t want change! They love the system! These people are insanely stupid. Either you put a Bernie Sanders style candidate front and center, or you embrace the far right. That’s it, no other choice. Every normal person is sick of the neoliberal system!

[@h2didenkov]

They absolutely freak out when you bring up Bernie. Cause they know that's who people wanted, but they literally would rather have Trump.

[@truepenny2514]

Y'all screwed Bernie and now you feel the consequences. You thought you knew better. YOU DID NOT.

[@thomasmusser9288]

Bernie was not screwed. Bernie lost by rules that had been around for decades. He lost bc he didn't get enough votes. Stop projecting. This is the problem with progressives. You think that America as a whole matches your views. This election should illustrate how false that is. Said btw as a lifeling D

[@lepjagman]

Fr, this all goes back to the 2016 coronation of Clinton.

[@conor2439]

Bernie had the problematic 'Bernie Bros' who were openly misogynistic to Hillary. No thanks.

[@alephmale3171]

You guys are not as right as you think you are. Gloat while you can, but also read a book while you’re at it.

[@willdon.1279]

Truepenny, Love Bernie, and AOC, but apart from a voting section* (who think Hamas is "good") more Americans are like Trump than either Kamala, Joe; And hate Bernie and AOC. Tragic, but true. 😞 No-body, who voted now, can be unaware who TFG is - and they like it. * Foolish pro-Hamas Muslims will get an unpleasant surprise from their success. But long-term, if painfully, it may be his one good move for ME peace. (Only If his Kremlin boss agrees - 'cos conflict helps his anti-democracy plans)

[@SCA440]

These people encapsulate why Harris lost. What absolute snobbery and condescending nonsense!!!

[@mikestyles8344]

That’s exactly what they are saying for the reason of the L lol 🥴…they’re literally pointing the finger at themselves

[@SCA440]

@mikestyles8344 they are saying the words but it will change nothing in their behavior. It's the same old song and dance from the corporate demo rats...

[@mikestyles8344]

@@SCA440 you not wrong. Why we need new, young, fresh ideas in both parties they connect with heart and mind..and of course policy lol..that’s kind of important

[@cassandratq9301]

Oh, FFS! She lost by 250,000 in the Blue Wall because Democrats didn't turn out. She ran a horrible campaign to the right post-convention with a weak economic message in a year when the economy was front + center. She sidelined popular Walz in favor of hated Cheney. "Democracy" as a message will only win if people see Democracy as delivering on their daily lives.

[@reubenhandel210]

Waltz was popular? With who?

[@LJ-xr5th]

@@reubenhandel210 whom

[@willdon.1279]

American economy on every metric, best in the struggling world! You're all in for a rude shock.

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

@@reubenhandel210of the four people on the ticket Walz has the highest approval rating, which is clearly what they’re referring to

[@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853]

I agree with the Cheney thing, however Walz was out simultaneously.

[@xiangli4383]

Not a shred of self reflection. Zero accountability. Blame everything and everyone else for the loss.

[@andrewpirr]

Exactly, they never mention the media covering up Biden's dementia for years

[@higgleopss]

And for the love of God, no one cast any aspersions on the DNC's owners, the donors.

[@arraiacc]

Bernie has some ideas of what went wrong if the democrats on the podcast can’t think of anything.

[@willdon.1279]

Those who voted for Trump would never in a million years voted for Bernie.

[@johnguild8850]

Oh my. You folks are not living on my planet.

[@Brendonherring522]

Nah. You're just in your little red religious retiree bubble 😂

[@Agent_Banana11]

​@@Brendonherring522as opposed to your talmudic bubble?

[@Primus-ue4th]

I’m hoping Pfizer comes out with a TDS vaccine for these people.

[@stevemcqueen9144]

Enjoy your four years of Trump, bud

[@Brendonherring522]

@@Agent_Banana11 what?

[@SuperHashie]

You are fools. The democratic platform has not spoken to working class people for a long, long time

[@ThomasMulligan-ei9bg]

I really hope they read these comments

[@Phlegethon]

The dems don’t play identity politics? Sorry what??? The lady on this podcast is just one of the dumbest

[@alephmale3171]

Not both, though. The other one had good observations

[@DogeickBateman]

The lady is indicative as to why they lost 2024, and will continue to lose the more they dumb down.

[@aurelianfan]

I love that we all know which lady. She sounded barely on the edge of control and cannot see the forest for the trees. In many ways she’s the archetype that many voted against this election.

[@cpzd83]

​@@aurelianfan the minute she said "as much I want to believe what a Connecticut Yankee who doesn't go out and report like I do" I knew there was no reasoning with this person. like lady why are you passively aggressively attacking this man, he's just having a conversation with you and all you are saying is "well I know best" which is exactly what led the Democrats to lose in the first place, they don't listen

[@klosterdude]

I came here to post this exact thing. My jaw literally dropped when I heard that. The fact that no one challenged her on that is also alarming.

[@asdaniel1]

I cannot listen to this. "Americans don't vote based on policy. The economy is actually really good, Harris should have run on that isntead of acknowledging inflation." Give me a break. How will democrats, and all americans learn from this election?

[@DogeickBateman]

Democrats and leftists won't learn. Already talks about how they weren't progressive enough, which in my opinion was one of the reasons why they failed. Americans don't want a mandated lecture on why their ancestors were evil. Americans want to get to work, to build a better future for themselves and their country.

[@duncanblue4744]

Lydia is absolutely detached from reality here

[@LMN021]

The democrat party left me and so many others behind starting in 2016, Sanders was suppressed

[@hc8379-f4f]

This is really kind of useless.

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

EXACTLY 💯

[@Glue_Stick98]

Uselessness is where all the fun is

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

@Glue_Stick98 🤣 true! At least until we see the left implode...🤭

[@Martcapt]

I don't think there was ever a promise of usefulness in this. What would the usefulness even BE?

[@MRFLAPPYTREE]

Nah, I'm blaming you for pushing Hillary Clinton over Bernie. But sure I guess NOW let's be critical of the democrats fuckin whatever

[@arshbad1]

The female journalist sounds like she wants to speak to the manager .

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

😝💯

[@brad96375]

As soon as Biden announced he was running again i began mentally preparing for the second trump term. Everyone should have seen this coming from a mile away

[@wesleystreet]

100%. Watching Biden's brain melt in that debate was all I needed to see that the Dems were going to lose.

[@microwaves25]

The tone and direction of this discussion is totally off. NYT is so detached from reality.

[@FlawlessP401]

24:20 Calling this reassertion of American incorporative identity white identity is disgusting its not. This is elitism nonsense at its best if you travel you would know this. Content of character is our national identity

[@badmofaux]

This Lydia person is a complete mediocrity.

[@Stfugb2s]

still not listening still not listening still not listeningstillnotlisteningstillnotlistening

[@NewsStuff-y5o]

🤣🤣🤣

[@cassandratq9301]

I bet we'll find out that Walz wanted a more populist approach and he was over-ruled post- convention, after Starmer's political people showed up.

[@ghostofgralton6859]

Starmer couldn't be content with wrecking a progressive movement in one country could he

[@andrewgutierrez4841]

Starmer? The DNC's own leadership is perfectly able and willing to quash their populist left-wing all on their own.

[@alephmale3171]

I think we’ll find that Kamala also wanted a more populist approach, but was not allowed to clash with Biden.

[@oscarpistorius3710]

​@@alephmale3171 I think we'll find that Kamala never wanted anything because she is a completely empty husk with no real beliefs except for her own ambition

[@renholderm]

In what reality does Britain set US politics?? Thats not how our relationship has worked in 100 years.

[@JordanLee-pk1cb]

Lydia is absolutely deluded. It’s almost like she’s playing Opposite Day with what people actually think

[@Danxethenightaway]

Primaries everyone, primaries! We had no clue who she was , what she really stood for, what message she had to convey. She disappeared for 4 years , and randomly came back out after 4 years. I’m upset with the outcome , but not shocked.

[@Glue_Stick98]

I guess we learned what it's like if a random person runs for president

[@markg3169]

Nobody represents liberal condescension more than the women on this podcast. Totally unwilling to acknowledge their own behavior contributing to the exodus from the Democratic Party and liberal politics.

[@tonioinverness]

19:09 Lydia (I think?) says that Democrats are good at leading people by their heads and Republicans are good at leading people by their hearts. Historical perspective--in the 80s and 90s we would have been saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of this. Democrats were all about feeling for the common person, taking people's lived experiences seriously, while Republicans marched around telling everyone that letting their boss crap all over them was actually good for them if they would just think about it the right way. What changed? The Democrats became the party of the establishment, the college grads, the business elite, the media elite. Now Paul Krugman runs around telling everyone the economy is actually great; you're just too dumb to know it. And Trump and his ilk play on the heartstrings of people who know that SOMETHING is wrong, even if they can't quite put their finger on what it is. A more accurate assesment would be: the party of establishment status quo is always good at appealing to people's heads and the party of people on the outs is good at appealing to people's hearts, no matter which party is which.

[@ColorMeHoppy]

This is the answer.. Dems left the working class, high on globalist money from questionable NGOs. Republicans may do the same but they will at least tell you while Democrats will lie and say their lies are helping you, aren't they nice and tolerant people?

[@12SPASTIC12]

Bernie Sanders put it really well in an interview with the NYT actually. People had a problem with the economy, and Trump had a stupid answer but at least it was an answer. The Democrats don't seem to be aware the issue even exists.

[@borisbeaver]

Is this supposed to be level-headed journalistic analysis from a trusted paper of record? Lydia is literally hyperventilating with partisan rage. This is no better than 90's AM radio bluster. Sad...

[@RadioTiberio]

Democrats need to stop being afraid of primaries...

[@tylerclark5086]

Absolutely. Look how brutal Trump is during the primaries and even Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis will still line up behind him.

[@vinista256]

Google 1972 Presidential election, please.

[@conor2439]

Haven't had one since 2008. It's just powerful people in the party picking the candidates.

[@vinista256]

@@conor2439 I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary, but he lost fair and square.

[@wesleystreet]

@@vinista256 He lost but it wasn't fair and square. The DNC and the Clinton campaign had cut an unfair deal that disadvantaged Sanders. In exchange for Clinton’s help in fundraising, she and her staff were given broad approval and control of the party committee well before she was the formal nominee.

[@Disstopian]

Why do the women on this podcast refuse to confront the failure of Democrats' policies? It's not a messaging problem.

[@Mythicalmage]

It's also not a policy problem. We had the best recovery post Covid in the world, full stop. We went from massive unemployment to sub 3%, consistently, and the median wage rose along with inflation. The fact is, no incumbent/democrat could win this cycle. Incumbents lost EVERY ELECTION this year in multiple countries, it's literally just being punished for the post--covid inflation (that Biden tried to wrangle, and which Trump will make worse).

[@NewsStuff-y5o]

@@Mythicalmage I am not sure you are correct. But you may also not be wrong. I think Democrats still are in shock and don't know what to do, thus you get rambling vlogs like we are listening to. I think it will take a few months for the Democrats to get a clean assessment and get on some kind of message. Whether its a good one, remains to be seen. I do know that most of these Democratic Vlogs have no idea what happened and I'm treating them like they don't know what they are talking about.

[@neogeo6431]

Leave Brandon out of this you have no one to blame execpt yourself

[@ripplecutter233]

It's all of the above imo. Brandon, cackles, her staff, all at fault.

[@alephmale3171]

Blah blah blah libz

[@DogeickBateman]

We all know Brandon voted for Donald, he had the happiest smile on his face in four years. Glad to see he'll finally retire.

[@lastvestiges]

Leave Brandon out of all of this, he was just some kid that won a car race. Put on your big boy pants and simply say the old man's actual name.

[@giraffediety2477]

"Maybe i want them to culture war a little more" Oh. Mah. Gawd. She has learned NOTHING

[@klosterdude]

The title of her next article will probably be "How the white male torpedoed the Harris campaign"

[@brittney3156]

Blame your party

[@aynrandish9106]

The Obama coalition looks really tired now. It’s time for Obama to retire and bring up some new leaders.

[@oscarpistorius3710]

Yeah his political legacy is finished. The only thing he'll be remembered for is completely failing to deliver on his promises, and ushering in Trump.

[@FilippoBelacchi]

Why these people are so smug?

[@cassandratq9301]

The solution was to clearly point out grocery store price gouging - which Kroger literally admitted to in court DURING the campaign.

[@SevenRiderAirForce]

I don't know how many of the upvotes you're getting know this is sarcasm.

[@cassandratq9301]

"Heads over hearts" is a good encapsulation, but, more importantly, what has also happened is that Dems handicapped themselves by doing the bidding of their billionaire donors on economic policy, while, meanwhile, Trump brought his funders to heal with threats of economic ruin (tariffs).

[@andybrice2711]

I don't really buy that argument. A lot of the cultural issues progressives have been campaigning on are very much based in emotion rather than pragmatic reasoning.

[@martinrheaume5393]

Exactly, the party that has been demagoguing over race over the last 30 plus years and promising every free lunch that can be cooked up has no business trying to stake the high ground on being the party of adults.​@@andybrice2711

[@higgleopss]

Democrats aren't too nice or too honest, they are bought. "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time"

[@12SPASTIC12]

I'm not sure how "infinity immigrants with no enforcement or integration mechanism" is a head over heart policy. And that's what the Biden admin pursued for like two and a half years. Democrats are just as unreasonable and emotional about their pet issues as Republicans are.

[@User24x]

We could have had Bernie for 2 terms, but nooo, the mainstream neoliberal media and the DNC fought tooth and nail to give him as little coverage and chance as possible.

[@luisdanielcubriatrujillo901]

I thought I was going to hear persuasive and thoughtful reflections on this podcast. I was wrong

[@ntran74]

Biden looked so happy today giving his speech on a transition. You know he must have voted for Trump 😂

[@tylerclark5086]

Did you see that video of him telling Kamala he’s still talking lol

[@vinista256]

No, he just has zero f-s to give anymore. A lot of us are feeling that way.

[@sharonsanderson5923]

It was not about race, it was about economics, the border and gender issues.

[@weclark3]

28:08 - Maybe I processed that wrong, but if I didn't that was a jaw dropping dismissal of lunch box working class white guy... That guy _and_ the female health care worker are _BOTH_ working class. It's not one or the other. Why does this have to be defined? Also, at the end of the day I don't think most people see the modern working class as being related to profession. It's about money. If lunch box guy and health care woman and joe bag of doughnuts are all making the same thing then if one is considered working class, they're all considered working class...

[@badmofaux]

If you’re an identity-obsessed mid-wit, entirely unremarkable apart from your race or sexual preferences, then yes, it’s very important that these things be defined. Not that we listeners know anyone like that.

[@Dehmigaahd]

The Harris campaign was as empty as Biden, and just as inarticulate. If you always look for blame, you will always fail at analysis.

[@andybrice2711]

I think Democrats do present a vision of their ideal world. The problem is, that ideal world is essentially California. Which is currently facing a lot of problems. And even where it's succeeding, many people just have fundamentally different aspirations.

[@direwolf6234]

there will always be problems .. it still is the world's 5th largest economy ..

[@andybrice2711]

​@@direwolf6234 Well sure. There are always pros and cons. But most people who are even slightly conservative would look at California and think _"Regardless of the economy. The culture does not appeal to me."_ And I'm not sure current Democrats can take credit for California's economic success. Silicon Valley got started decades ago.

[@martinrheaume5393]

My favorite part is where they assume their terrible economic policies are just the smart common sense policies that voters would endorse that they actually cared about their own best interests.

[@direwolf6234]

@@andybrice2711 ask your fresh green salad about success ...

[@andybrice2711]

@@direwolf6234 I’m not sure what your point is. Every reasonably developed country is capable of growing and transporting fresh salad. That’s in no way an achievement of the past decade’s more radical Democrat policies.

[@НиколайТодоров-и9т]

The people who de facto overthrew him and chose Harris are now smearing him. Class.

[@cassandratq9301]

Biden had zero chance to win, to this day he struggles to articulate words, let alone concepts. His mind may be semi- ok but because he can't speak clearly there was no chance he could win.

[@andybrice2711]

I think it's fair criticism. He should've stepped down much sooner, when it was clear his health was declining. That stubborn arrogance tarnished an otherwise admirable career, and undermined his own party.

[@direwolf6234]

@@andybrice2711 biden's ego = dems loss ....

[@KiDCRuDi_]

He should've pledged one term period

[@НиколайТодоров-и9т]

So why didn't they pushed him in this direction in 2022? Nobody had the guts, and now they chew his bones. Cowards and conformists all around​@@andybrice2711

[@olgadebartolome1332]

there isn't any money for public healthcare bc of inflation? how much money was spent in the campaign ?? You guys are a little delusional. BTW, I'm from spain, we have universal healthcare, as does the rest of europe, it's not a "scandinavian" thing

[@donkeybus]

The healthcare system in the US is totally broken and is bankrupting us, while providing very poor care. And Trumps side actually adressed this, the dems did not!!! (And I didnt vote trump)

[@nicholasdelucena1260]

Most countries have some type of universal healthcare. Saying the US doesn't have the money to do it is laughable.

[@oscarpistorius3710]

I nearly started screaming when they said that. Both because Kamala didn't try anything even remotely progressive or bernie-esque, and because Bernie actually did articulate how he was gonna pay for it (taxing billionaires!!!) If anything this election was a complete vindication of Bernie, and a complete indictment of Hillary, Joe, Kamala, and everyone on the NYT editorial board. Of course, as always, their solution amounted to "scapegoat, change nothing, and move right." Morons. Their politics is one of self-defeat.

[@donkeybus]

@nicholasdelucena1260 exactly. In in the us there is too much profit to be made by making people ill and then selling them drugs. And those industries fund the democratic party.

[@Ninjaforrver]

18:51 disagree. For months, Biden’s White House pointed at charts and said “the economy is great voters are wrong.” It was condescending AF and it’s why Kamala pivoted to acknowledging people felt pinched. But because she either didn’t want to or was told she couldn’t shit talk Biden, snd because she could not charismatically communicate whatever plan she had, she lost her credibility with voters. I have right leaning family and their constant question was “what does she have besides abortion and maybe housing?”

[@timrobertson8436]

"Democrats fix things?" You mean like the border? Like abortion legislation to replace Roe? Like the Gaza conflict? Like the Ukraine War? Like lowering prices instead of creating more inflation? Like the budget deficit? Like the trade imbalance? Like Chinese aggression in the SCS? Like the Income/wealth gap? Like the housing shortage? Like running a primary campaign for the presidential candidate? I could go on, but maybe you get the point that Democrats are at least as much a part of creating problems as finding the the opposition.

[@oyehoyemon2286]

Bringing my country (India) and perceived ideas about any right of centre leader (Modi) = Trump = Nazi is exactly why Harris lost. I'm not even American and the holier than thou attitude adopted by most of 'American Liberal' media ends up antagonising someone on the other end of the planet. I can only imagine how much worse your compatriots who disagree with you feel when you prefer grandstanding over finding common ground. I can only request that you do not poison my national discourse as we intend to argue but not antagonise as you lot. Modi might have flaws, we'll shed light on them, the opposition has it's own which we will try to fix amongst us. I hope we dont go the NYT way of blaming the voters and 'moralising'. Please DO not push your fissiparous ideas onto India.

[@sohandesai4055]

Uh do you really not think Trump and the Republicans don't engage in name calling and poisoning the discourse? He calls her Comrade Kamala, has called the Democrats scum and vermin and much worse. He ran ads suggesting Kamala was a C*unt and much more. Trump has a nickname for everyone. Why does it work for him then and why are only Democrats at fault when they even do the most milquetoast name calling.

[@oscarpistorius3710]

India has a very very different politics to most of the West. I'm from Australia, I barely understand it and even I can recognise that. There was a podcast series recently in the ABC (public broadcaster) about Modi, and the entire time the annoying host was trying to shoehorn in how the BJP is secretly fascist or whatever because it has a youth wing, and also the Nazis had a youth wing. She didn't even bother learning Hindi for the documentary, it was all done through her local translator. I'm coming to Delhi in December to see for myself. There has to be some other political dynamic that can power a country than smug liberalism vs dumb conservatism.

[@oyehoyemon2286]

​@@oscarpistorius3710 All the political parties in India have a youth wing. It's mainly for college politics fought in Humanities campuses. What's more it was started by the communists in India and then copied by both the centre left and the right. Thanks for understanding that it's not binaries, I must add that Australians across the aisle are more pragmatic and nuanced. Maybe it's coz you already know some aspects of India courtesy sports/entertainment :D

[@SevenRiderAirForce]

+10 for using the word "fissiparous." Oh and the rest of the post was good, too, lol.

[@higgleopss]

"We underestimated how stupid the unwashed masses are and didn't realize we needed to lie. No we won't say the word DONOR" F these people, I understand why people vote for Trump hoping he'll lynch their like.

[@user-dc1gq7in2o]

Bernie would have won

[@shoshanakirya-ziraba8216]

Harris did pretty well with what she was given to do. I don't know if she could have won a Democrat primary.

[@andybrice2711]

I wonder how much freedom she was given to present her own platform. My sense is that she was coerced into towing a party-line. And I wonder if she'd actually have been more successful just following her own path.

[@shoshanakirya-ziraba8216]

​@andybrice2711 yeah, she should have left it all out on the field.

[@direwolf6234]

in a fair primary she would lose ...

[@vinista256]

Democratic

[@donkeybus]

We actually know how bad she would have done in a real primary, cause she was in one 4 years ago, and was clearly the worst of the choices.... Dnc corruption lost it for all of us AGAIN

[@naeemdollie6836]

this is what I like to call a "so let‘s take a step back-style podcast.

[@direwolf6234]

the hindsight 20/20 crowd

[@ComradeChad69]

This lady is pure liberal narcissism. Keep it up and lose again in 4 years.

[@higgleopss]

She doesn't have to give a shit because she probably lives in a fancy house with a retirement account. F these people.

[@AlignmentCoaching]

Why can’t we just say what’s true? Capitalism and its corrupting and eroding influence on effective and honest governance and human connection has created a society of callous, thoughtless and ignorant individuals who recognize the widening wealth gap and believe messages of blame, grievance and easy simple fixes.

[@justmeez2195]

These two women are EXACTLY the problem

[@andrewharvey3282]

One of the greatest media struggles of the next decade is whether the NYT can create any space between itself and the moribund democratic establishment.

[@lenavasilyeva3204]

this was beyond embarrassing

[@justinhealey-htcohio3798]

Look @NYT, I feel like we're at a moneyball moment... Allow myself to be Billy Beane. ~What is the problem? ~You know? Ok tell us all what the problem is?

[@Cherokie89]

“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.” This entire country just votes on vibes

[@ryansteve2893]

How do you say you’re out of touch without saying you are out of touch??

[@snowaIker]

I did not vote Trump, but I had a strong sense of this coming. Democrats like myself are tired of identity politics. We are really sick of these political cheap shots that use voters like they are idiots. Please stop victimizing the vulnerable by constantly telling they can’t live without your protection and exploiting their fear, and stop cancelling whoever makes a mistake.

[@tapsimavinkeredayanand8454]

God the Lady’s’ job interview answer go ‘ The democrats are just adults in the room’ is infuriating!!! I never thought that I would say this but thank God for the men in this room

[@th3man121]

This is incredibly painful to listen to. A total inability to understand what the average citizen is feeling in terms of spending power and broader economic anxiety from the neoliberal perspective on this episode.

[@needmorecowbell6895]

Part of the solution is for Democratic administrations to get their acts together. California high-speed rail. Dems want this program because it's good for the environment, but Dems also make it come in way over budget and miss deadlines by decades by giving every Democratic group and lobby standing in court to sue their own program, requiring the most expensive union labor, and making ever inch of that rail line get an environmental impact study. And then there's the mess that is the California solar industry. One part of the State of California incentivizes solar energy and storage by making carbon expensive and reducing net metering rates, but then another part of the state makes buying and installing home batteries to store that renewable energy expensive, difficult, or impossible because someone had a fire. This problem isn't limited to California or the energy industry. Dems are bad at acknowledging trade offs. We can help the less fortunate by importing cheap EVs, but that comes at the expense of closing auto plants. We can help everyone with cheaper energy, but we have to drill and build pipelines. We can have cheaper labor/product costs, but immigration or outsourcing imposes costs. We can make food cheaper if we get rid of some agriculture subsidies. The result of DEI programs is that there's less opportunity for people not in protected classes. It feels like a zero sum game, because without robust economic growth, it is a zero sum game. Dems decided that those "working class" people were going to get the short end of the stick in these tradeoffs. The problem is that it didn't pay off with a lasting electoral majority. There's no way to unwind that without picking another group of losers and nobody is going to be happy about taking less.

[@Edo9River]

❤❤❤Change is easy. For those who have nothin left to lose

[@allanmurphy7474]

I think that the electoral college discourages voting, unless you live in a swing state and that changes.

[@thomasaquinas399]

Lydia Polgreen mentioned that Kamala didn't have the skill to frame her campaign as one of change like Trump did. But didn't she raise 3x in donations what Trump did? Are we really accepting that no one hired with those piles of cash could offer a competitive vision?

[@Bnio]

I'm not saying I told you so, but I feared something very similar to this happening once the Democratic primary in 2020 put the thumb on the scale and essentially anointed Biden on Super Tuesday. The argument was that he was safe. Turns out he was too safe. He did a few good things, but kicked some major economic challenges down the road. Now we're in deep trouble.

[@MayorMcC666]

"a little less whining about the electoral college" wtf now is the only time when republicans would be incentivized to repeal the electoral college.

[@brianphillips1864]

These journalists fail to understand that the stats they are quoting and pushing are concocted by other credentialed professional just like themselves. They have lied so hard and so long that they all just nod and agree they are wonderful. People just like us issued stats that say our thought enemies are extra double no good. They think they are aristos and we better knuckle under. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@reubenhandel210]

Blame Biden's PR department, aka the corporate press

[@nerdsofgotham]

Wow. I can't believe this isn't a parody of what a NYT podcast would sound like. These people are completely insufferable.

[@uncagedelite]

This was supposed to be about why democrats lost and what they did wrong and is instead just about blaming Republicans and voters. Somehow you accidentally created the most accurate depiction of what went wrong.

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

OHMYGOD of course it's America's America. And does this guy think the last 4 years was NORMAL?????????? Yall can eff right off. Sending joy, from Texas 🇺🇲😝

[@Ryanrobi]

Most Americans are not on Medicaid in my mind that's a losing argument I want less Medicaid not more.

[@wesleystreet]

Eff the poor, huh? Do you think having a bunch of sick and dying people is good for a country?

[@imperialofficer6185]

As a Russian, I have no standing to comment on America's internal politics and I won't but, but we here have been at the recieving end of the collective responsibility (i.e. every Russian is answerable for the actions of any other Russian) movement and I'm glad that the side of collective responsibility, literally musing now about the Americans' collective responsibility/answerability for Trump's policy or whatnot on this podcast, has suffered this defeat, I hope it's fatal for this movement

[@bearshark5941]

"Blame the guy who actually won" is a wild take

[@Cherokie89]

Wait, you want the democrats to move AWAY from progressive ideas?! The reason the democrats lost isn’t progressive policy and messaging, it’s because of their status quo policy and messaging. We are in an era of populism. We need MORE left wing policy and more populist messaging.

[@klosterdude]

Extremist left wing policy (west coast) and its obsession with identity politics is what alienated many independents and center left voters.

[@maciejdoczyk8196]

The democrats should allow a proper internal turmoil and let some fresh air in. Swimming, always 👍

[@johnguild8850]

Harris ran a flawless campaign so I was shock to see she lost the electorial vote, the popular vote, the senate, the house and DT gets to pick judges for the next 4 years. How could this even happen? I am shocked.

[@NatisParker]

'Marmsplaining'

[@12SPASTIC12]

The "conservative" on the podcast tried to bring up how democrats have a batshit insane over the top emotional reaction on social issues, and the other woman started to have an emotional reaction to him in real time. Nice illustrated example, thanks NYT!

[@badmofaux]

Ross is legit, FWIW

[@markg3169]

“Constituents they should own”… this language IS the problem.

[@gbaran7991]

I think she knew she was going to lose and decided to spend the rest of the campaign money on a party with celebrities.

[@logic_rules]

34:50 why is she sad that people's lives will be damaged with those Trump-Musk policies People wanted that way. People making less than 50k, voted for them with vast majority. Stop worrying about this people? Let them see the consequences for them losing their healthcare is worth stopping trans athletes competing in sports. I say get rid of Obamacare, get rid of any gun regulation, give tax cuts to rhe rich and cut SS and Medicare. Let people experience the consequences of their votes . Until you do that you will keep talking in circles about why they vote for Trump.

[@monicalarose7980]

Um, what? Obamacare is something that Dems are just are dependent on as Republicans. Trump-Musk policies will affect the vast majority of people. In every demographic of people, Harris still had significant support. We're going to just let those people die to teach the MAGA people a lesson? (they won't learn anyway). Let our neighbors who didn't vote for Trump be harassed or deported or desperate refugees lose their kids if Trump enacts child separation again to teach Trumpists a lesson? They 100% won't learn. If the narrative about Trump is right, he will hurt a lot of people whether or not we try to protect people, but at least we can save some people and not be as evil as them if we try.

[@Martcapt]

Ross really pulls the whole thing together, without him there would be no push and pull, as infuriating as it is sometimes. Just....MUSK?! Ross wtf

[@StupidD678]

the democrats on this podcast are just like “how can we devolve further to match them”

[@diannasgardenmenagerie967]

The arrogance and lack of humility here IS One of the problems in our country. You are not helping!!!

[@indianskeptic3451]

In short, these self righteous journalists have learnt nothing.

[@treyjustice2117]

Your recommendations of a “screen free and analog way to get through your day and distract yourself…”: live performances. Most Americans don’t live in cities where live performances can be accessed on a daily, much less weekly, basis. Live performances require money to attend. Painting rooms. This is done by Americans when renovating houses. Paint, brushes, ladders, etc. cost money. Home renovations for most Americans is not “just something to do”. Lap swimming. Most Americans don’t own a swimming pool. It’s Autumn, not summer; this means that days and nights are getting colder, not warmer. You’re clearly talking about an indoor swimming pool. Most swimming pools are outdoor pools. Do most Americans have access to indoor swimming pools whenever they want? I don’t think so. Your recommendations to distract yourself from the results of this election imply that you have access to larger urban amenities and enough money for luxury spending (I would include the casual painting of rooms in a house to be luxury spending). Luxury spending is for entertainment, not the essential coverage of key bills- rent, food, gas, insurance, clothing, education. Your recommendations set you apart from most Americans. Did you know this? Your implied “spending money” and what you would spend it on sets you apart from most Americans. I’m sorry, while much of this particular video was interesting, you’ve inadvertently shown what separates you from most Americans. By your own admission, most Americans voted for someone you didn’t think would win. If your recommendations were aimed at your listening audience, does this not imply that your targeted audience isn’t in the majority of Americans? Please think upon what you said (your recommendations for entertainment) and compare it to most Americans and their lives. I’ll leave the rest of thoughts to you.

[@jefferygardner22]

It is really difficult to see how we can make progress if people claim all of the moral high ground and mental acuity and look down on others without addressing nuanced representations of facts and recognizing the basis for other perspectives.

[@AlignmentCoaching]

Re the electoral college that many people feel their vote doesn’t matter because of it, whether in the majority or minority of a state. you can’t really extrapolate the cumulative votes to what would be in a popular vote system.

[@RubenGreenshadow]

Blame the REAL culprit. The one that people watch all day long. TV. I don't know how many times I heard my cranky old grandma gripe about gay people on MAX or Netflix. You forced people to watch things they weren't used to seeing on TV - even commercials are biracial now - and they got fed up. Yeah, its nasty prejudice, but you don't end that with constant exposure like that film, TV and even the news did every day.

[@jacquelineelder3545]

Marianne Williamson was there the whole time… making the case that we needed a radical change and a positive vision of the future. All media wrote her off… what a tragic mistake!

[@landonl.8965]

Idk how you can say the Dems haven’t had a real primary to select a candidate since 2008. Electing Biden in 2020 was a real primary. Just cuz he wasn’t populist enough doesn’t mean he didn’t win it fair and square.

[@donkeybus]

1/5 isnt great.....

[@landonl.8965]

@donkeybus yes but that was the previous election… we don’t have to go back all the way to 2008 to find a real primary, there was one in 2020

[@donkeybus]

@@landonl.8965 ok, but like I said, 20% primary, 80% subverting democracy is a very poor record.

[@wesleystreet]

He won it squarely, but not fairly. If he won it fairly, he wouldn't have tried to push the primaries first to South Carolina as a big "thank you" to Clyburn and Obama pulling strings with establishment voters.

[@landonl.8965]

@@donkeybus ok I mean, now you’re reaching. There’s a middle ground of truth here. Like, I’m fine to admit there wasn’t a primary when Obama ran for reelection, but running for reelection without a primary is not “subverting democracy”. It’s the norm (and Trump did that in 2020 as all reelection campaigns have always been done) can’t we be honest here? There should’ve been a primary this time, we both agree with that. Biden should’ve ran against Hillary in 16 instead of being pushed not to, again I can agree. But it was just those two times: 2016 was rigged for Clinton and 2024 Biden made a mistake.

[@jacquescolmenero7760]

I am amazed that, collectively, you don't realize that the death of centrism in all liberal democracies is inevitable. What may save you, in the short term, is the resilience of your institutions. But unfortunately they are becoming more and more opaque to your citizenry and as such deserving of a generalized mistrust. Your social and communal bonds are in taters. What will save you, in the long run, is the engagement of every citizen of country in the political process at the local, state and federal level.