TL;DR - TL;DR Doesn't Understand Anita Sarkeesian

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[@nuuttispend]

I like that there is a stereotype about feminists getting “triggered” but he goes on a tangent about sitting positions.

[@thombruce]

It's the feminist hive mind. Sitting with crossed legs may be what's most comfortable for many, many people, but there are TWO options: right over left, or left over right. What are the odds, then, that this isn't a hive mind and around HALF of the panel just so happened to be sat that way? They each had two options, and still half of them sat that same way. One out of every two women there made the same one in two choice. What are the chances of that just happening?!

[@verbulent_flow6229]

@@thombruce is this a satire? i've seen some CRAZY people so i don't want you to get flak if you actually think that

[@thombruce]

@@verbulent_flow6229 It’s satire, yeah. When I wrote it, I thought it was heavy, unmistakable satire. Having read it back, it is entirely believable that somebody having those views really would be that bad at math and proudly boast that.

[@verbulent_flow6229]

@@thombruce Good. Thank you for clarifying.

[@Eosinophyllis]

@@thombruce thank god this is satire.

[@crispy2699]

Teal Deer: "Stupid feminists and their..." *rolls dice, draws card, throws dart at board* "...sitting positions."

[@codysmith3853]

I read this before I got to that part and I thought it was an exaggeration. I can't believe it. I have seen everything.

[@Illiteratechimp]

You recumbent urinater!

[@CrazyPangolinLady]

Ironically, the way women sit has a lot to do with our socialization and gender

@@CrazyPangolinLady TRU, in fact socialization in general is way more influential in the ways people sit. Like you can often literally read the social, cultural and economic upbringing of people just by looking at the way they sit

[@jamesclark976]

But dont feminists get upset about manspreading, or is that just blown out of proportion?

[@Kickiusz]

"Homosexual men don't need feminism." Sure, because there are no societal double standards between gays and lesbians, no siree.

[@georgerogers2120]

And homophobia has absolutely no ties to toxic masculinity or misogyny. Nope nope.

[@tryste_mx]

When we say "feminism is for everyone" we literally mean everyone.

[@TheSMR1969]

@@tryste_mx it's a shame that feminism has been hijacked by feminazis

[@TheSMR1969]

There is double standards everywhere, men have double standards, woman have double standards, everyone is equal in systemic terms

[@bug688]

@@TheSMR1969 So when there's double standards everywhere WE DONT JUST LEAVE IT TO FESTER because "everyone is equal". We take action to IMPROVE the quality of life for everyone.

[@Pluveus]

When he broke down Neoliberalism I physically slapped myself in the face. If you're going to be a pedant, you have to make sure that words with prefixes aren't just new words, especially in social studies and the humanities. The difference between Gothic and Goth is two letters and 500 years.

[@afaultytoaster]

envision: a majestic cathedral, its buttressed arches draped in black lace, wearing a pentagram necklace

[@campi832]

@@afaultytoaster both equally majestic, i imagine

[@A2forty]

I was completely surprised tl;Dr didn't know what neoliberalism was.

[@timothymclean]

"The difference between Gothic and Goth is two letters and 500 years." That is such a good quote. It's too good for a KZbin comment section.

[@CynicalMartian]

Christ I did the same thing. He really mansplained neoliberal while having zero understanding of political theory. Bet this chump thinks Marxism is postmodernist too lol

[@Wiggyam]

«No offence TL:DR , but you know, chill out.» *«Shaun litterally told me to live naked in a mud hut in Siberia and wait to freeze to death!»*

[@im19ice3]

rofl

[@emelgiefro]

Except he would not say that and your dear shaun would do something like that Knowing him/her bending facts and reality to benifit him/her

[@bryanwitherow3710]

@@emelgiefro projecting isn't healthy you know

[@bobbycutts2111]

@@emelgiefro another Cosby assassin!

[@silg7262]

@@emelgiefro uh? Shaun doesn't tend to make huge exaggerations.

[@claireriley1252]

all i’m saying is tldr seemed waaaaaaaay too eager to throw those slurs around, even if it was “just a joke” lmao

[@cursinsquirl]

Yeah i kinda felt that. When someone says a slur to contextualize something it usually sounds a certain way or has a certain hesitation to it. Tldr legitimately made me do a double take with how natural it sounded for him to say that.

[@swolejeezy2603]

Wanted to point that out too. How did he just say it with that much conviction. Like fag I can understand a bit easier but the n-word? Hard r?

[@idrk3707]

literally gross. ik he says it offscreen

[@useroffline9999]

CursinSquirrel yuh today i was reading some southern reconstruction letters for my history class and “negro” came up. i literally choked on air before reading it lol it just doesn’t feel right when people throw those words around with such ease.

[@Foreignhedgehog]

@@Cassius4 It's rather silly, to say the least, that you genuinely believe that your personal indifference towards the use of a derogatory term which *isn't directed at you* actually matters in any capacity. Even more silly to try and back your stance up by stating that you personally don't care when someone *is* actually being racist towards you. Despite what you seem to believe, you're not actually the ambassador of Spanish people. And even if you were, it would bear literally no relevance to this discussion.

[@OzMediaOfficial]

it makes me physically ill that I used to watch these clowns when I was 15.

[@coocoodog1232]

same. i was 14 when this was uploaded and I would have totally been the type to dislike brigade this video if I knew it existed at the time. glad we both came to our senses lol.

[@mylittledashie7419]

We all make mistakes. I watched Thunderf00t for an embarrassingly long time. Cringing at the old you is a sign that you're getting better.

[@iexist1300]

Oh hey I know this channel. I'm glad your better now

[@quarryhillgoats]

yeah me too, so glad I stopped

[@MetallicPetals]

Same, and as a trans woman, it made me believe that my opinion was higher as I was one of the few that didn't believe like they do and so my opinion had more value as it was coming from a trans woman, or something like that, not even I fully understand it

[@theomegajuice8660]

"Neo-liberal!?" Well "Neo" in the Matrix is "The one" and "liberal" can mean "an interpretation in law that is not taken strictly literally" so a "Neo-Liberal" means "The one who shouldn't interpret everything as literally as possible" ...I wonder who that might refer to

[@intensebreadexperience559]

Annihilated with facts and logic

[@Crueltycretin]

Absolutely genius lmao

[@sarjocole2626]

Lmao

[@juanignaciolopeztellechea9401]

Congratulations! You won youtube comments.

[@nacoran]

Women in war zones... yeah, no feminist issues there. No forced prostitution, no rape by enemy soldiers, no fights over women's education in the Middle East, none of their young sons being dragged off to war...

[@fj1649]

Men being dragged off to war women most effevted

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@fj1649 Learn to spell.

[@EJ-bn3tc]

F J war effects everyone, and a lot of people focus on the men who work as soldiers. And that’s valid and absolutely needed. But it’s also important to look at the effect on women for the reasons nacoran listed and more. Both are needed and important, and no ones suffering should be invalidated. Feminism doesn’t advocate for the tearing down of men, but the building up of those brought down by patriarchal power systems

[@tnerbtnerb5136]

To be fair the point Teal was refuting was the assertion that women are THE MOST ADVERSELY IMPACTED by war. Which I personally agree is bullshit.

[@sirsteam181]

@@EJ-bn3tc Though it depends on context for what feminism means with the most basic one being equality of the sexes

[@communisttrash8590]

It’s all over when the right wing furry avatar crosses their arms

[@grusha9516]

USSR bad 'murica good if you're a libtard u get the gun gulag gas

[@yulikitten]

You've got the neck man in your avatar lol

[@notinsane4165]

@@grusha9516 isn't it gas-gulag-molotov-nuke?

[@shadysam7161]

And then they say "GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!" And bite back with ferocious fangs.

[@drakep.5857]

@@NineArc "We should bring back child labor" Moment

[@Lanaestra]

Wow, so someone who literally named themselves after a slang contraction for "Too long; didn't read" jumps to conclusions without actually reading through something completely? Stop the presses! At least you can't fault him for going off-brand.

[@AzaleaJane]

I mean you're not wrong

[@notacomputer5486]

Have you... have you ever watched a Teal Deer video...? He does live streams where he litteraly reads entire research papers and critiques them. It's not ever very good and he makes the mistake of coming to conclusions before he reads the whole concept but his thing is that he's the proof and research type. His name is a joke about how other people see his content not a review on himself. :/ Edit: Spelling

[@SlashCampable]

@@notacomputer5486 so he has the prowess to read full research papers and still has issues of understanding the absolute basics of modern feminist theory. Hmmm

[@haruruben]

Well.. to be fair, the name might be ironic or an indictment of those people out there who speak at length on an idea presented in a piece of content without actually fully reading and comprehending it

[@LunaDevaKitty]

@@notacomputer5486 Where are the arts & crafts livestreams where he builds strawmen for his arguments?

[@davidtaylor142]

This dude is so pedantic that he went out of his way to define "neo" and "liberal" separately without ever bothering to look up "neoliberalism"

[@ard4461]

Teal Deer's not representing the furry community very well

[@thisusernamehasalreadybeen9831]

I know that i'm late,but i'll just like to point out how refreshing it is to see a comment section where a comment containing the word "furry" doesn't have 17 responses of edgy twelve year old's saying "yiff in hell!!1!"

[@oof-rr5nf]

@@thisusernamehasalreadybeen9831 s a m e

[@adeelabbasi2811]

@@thisusernamehasalreadybeen9831 which you will if you don't leave this degenerate acts mate Repent and reform as Hell isn't an abstract metaphor for criminal mindset by philosophers but a reality for those who lived their lives by their desires then submitting themselves towards God pleasure and worship. Mankind is and was created to only worship God almighty do this for your personal and spiritual satisfaction

[@thisusernamehasalreadybeen9831]

@@adeelabbasi2811 So it's wrong because your god thinks it's wrong? Also your god really created all beigns in existence just to serve him and worship him for eternity? He sounds like some sort of dictador rather than a loving father. What also sounds like something a dictador would do is torturing innocent people because of their hobbies/harmless fetishes. Jeez

[@vyrothevirus5304]

@@adeelabbasi2811 Aren't anti-SJWs like... super anti-christian?

[@a.j8307]

It's really kind of strange how he just drops the n-bomb totally unprovoked.

[@IceFireofVoid]

The way I interpret this is that the terms mean the exact same thing. One is very shocking, and the modern terminology is seen as more appropriate. But both terms define the same thing, and carry with them the description of otherness. It is very likely that the terms we use today as politically correct terms will be seen as negative and abusive in the future.

[@a.j8307]

@@IceFireofVoid I think one reason why "people of color" is considered not offensive while "colored people" is, is that the former puts the category of people first. Before their skin color. It's more humanizing. "Colored" is an adjective. I think it was used as describing someone who wasn't the default skin tone, the normal one.

[@wschippr1]

IceFire A Euphemism treadmill? Eh, I don't think so, especially if it's the groups defining themselves. But I guess you're right, that's probably his thought process.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

@@wschippr1 If that's TL;DR's thought process, then he obviously hasn't thought very hard.

[@rspeak5768]

I find that line really interesting, actually. The only way it can be interpreted as a coherent point is if it means "changing the terms we use will have no effect on the wider societal violence these people suffer" So either he's just randomly using slurs because he can (more likely) or saying that the prevalence of violence against minority groups is such a societal issue that we need to take drastic action that far exceeds simple terminology changes.

[@braydenmoore43]

Knock knock. Who’s there? Interrupting Deer. Interrupting Deer wh- Oh, so Shaun thinks he’s the tallest person to ever exist in the history of the world...

[@gordonf5553]

He's the skull from that alt right guy

[@bitchesbrew2315]

@@gordonf5553 Davis Aurini is so insufferable that even his background props have no choice but to refute him

[@Gothstana]

​@@bitchesbrew2315 Why do you think the skull disappeared? Shaun escaped, I tell you!

[@wuschelthepuschel]

I really like the TL;DR = Teal Deer pun and cute animals in general. I want to live in a parallel universe where he just makes cartoons with colorful animals and their adventures.

[@wolfexer8250]

The good ending

[@tinnagigja3723]

That'll be in the 'Unlimited Art School Funding' mod. There are some noticeable differences.

[@St1ckyGrape]

@@tinnagigja3723 this one got me 💀

[@austin.luther]

Too bad we live in the bad timeline.

[@DowncastParadox]

"TL;DR" is short for "Too Long; Didn't Read" and started as a meme on 4chan in, I think, 2005 where people originally wrote out every word. It was a common response to "text walls", which used to be rather small compared to today's standards. I find it super ironic that someone who only responds to sentence fragments, while still feeling intellectually superior for some reason, would call themselves that.

[@reasonablyinteligent2369]

Teal Dear has the most stereotypical "well actually" voice.

[@PhoenixRising87]

You mean the kind of voice that makes you want to drop-kick the speaker down a well, actually?

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Oh gosh, I sometimes do things like that. It just makes Teal dear more cringe to me.

[@ClaudiaNW]

The sad thing is that his voice sounds very like mine (British and very autistic). If I'd stayed right-wing I could easily have ended up like him.

[@jasonnelson5745]

He's the perfect man for the job. He sounds like a walking sterotype

[@GamerWho]

He sounds like Arnold Rimmer, but more nasaly and with fewer redeeming character traits. When people would sooner go for a pint with Rimmer, you need an intervention.

[@AirsoftTim92]

Funny note: At 13:21, TL;DR says "vast minority," which reveals he also doesn't understand what the words "vast" or "minority" mean.

[@jankbunky4279]

It's not necessarily as bad as it seems. Vast majority is fairly often used and it just means that in that case the majority is much bigger that the minority. It's not completly far-fetched to come to the conclusion that vast minority would also be correct to use, indicating a tiny minority.

[@mozarteanchaos]

@@jankbunky4279 true, but according to his own rules his entire argument would be chucked out of the window, because He's A Pedant

[@SaintAdjacent]

Y'all are dumb. Let's take the example of percentage. A Vast Minority could be as high as 49% or as low as 39% but it's still a minority. A vast Majority would be 85-95% a Slight Majority conversely would be 51-61% Vast is a descriptor modifying the verb of minority or majority. Did Y'all fail basic English?

[@stopwhispering2697]

@@SaintAdjacent "Vast minority relative to the large number within that minority." - This is a much, MUCH simpler way of putting it. Did you fail Basic Language Arts? I had a fucking stroke trying to read your comment.

[@SaintAdjacent]

@@stopwhispering2697 Maybe you should see your doctor if your health fails you that badly.

[@is4469]

"Feminists just create buzzwords so that their fans can go home and use them on social media to seem like intellectuals" *the lack of self awareness is troubling*

[@BigK13372]

Pussy Bacon I know. And this is coming from a guy you used to believe this shit during the height of the Anti SJW Craze on KZbin.

[@pleggli]

typical npc regressive sjw neo cultural post neo postmarkssistism.

[@wschippr1]

Big T. Larrity It's spelt commulist

[@UserJWR]

@@wschippr1 We going meta now!

[@mariusghencea2907]

That is true tho xD both parts like buzz shit

[@bravetherainbow]

I LOVE when he says "The only thing you've mentioned there that even comes close to being an issue for feminism is lesbian rights, and that is purely because some lesbians may choose to identify themselves as feminists" because the only way it would make sense for him to say that specifically, is if he thinks feminism is about advocating for the rights of people *WHO IDENTIFY AS FEMINISTS* which is ... insane As if feminists are some historically oppressed social group who need advocacy. Like if I were a male feminist then other feminists need to stand up for my rights specifically. Argh.

[@greentaigo2552]

Fighting for lesbian rights is feminism, simple as, it doesn't matter if some lesbian person isn't a feminist when you're fighting for their rights.

[@bravetherainbow]

@@greentaigo2552 yes that's why his remark is so fucking stupid.

[@selty]

That perfectly summarises how stupid this dude actually is and he hides it behind a dictionary

[@lilacrain3283]

I think it’s kind of telling honestly. The idea of advocating for someone that isn’t specifically a member of his “group” is so far fetched for him that he assumes all other people operate the same way

[@Alan_Duval]

So hard to know the difference between a feminist and a feminist-ist :D

[@bismuthcrystal9658]

Wow, I didn't know that Anita Sarkeesian invented Neo-liberalism. Anthropomorphic talking heads teach me so much. Oh, but wait, 'anthro' means human. 'Po' means a river in Italy. And 'morphic' means a structure-preserving map from one mathematical structure to another one of the same type. So, I suppose Teal Deer is a human river who can be applied to other rivers. Well, that's nonsense, so now I find him ridiculous. Due to logic.

[@juniperrodley9843]

UHM ACKTCHYUALLEY, it's anthro*pro*morphic. Checkmate, liberals. Now watch me eat 50 containers of brainfoce--

[@StNick119]

*appreciative mathematician noises

[@dararohan1209]

"Vast minority". I see that tl;dr is quite the intellectual.

[@SawtoothWaves]

his name and fursona are so cute and clever, it's such a shame his content sucks

[@XuntosIzor]

I was thinking the same thing, but a clever mascot can still be made by a confused and hateful person it seems

[@shadysam7161]

Whats worse is that his fursona and character looks extremely smug and is very pedantic.

[@empirecrumbles615]

IMO his crappy pun name and dreamworks character suck tbh

[@srslydoatm9251]

The guy comes off as stuck up and unlikable. He feels like the lovechild of Ben Shapiro and Paul Joseph Watson

[@moscanaveia]

Well, if you think about it, his name isn't all that cute. TL;DR, short for Too Long, Didn't Read. It actually shows he's even lazier than the average weeb who counters an argument with that phrase. To him, it's "Sentence Too Long, Didn't Listen". In that regard, he's making the chosen name a hell of a lot of justice.

[@LORDUnLuCkY13]

Unbelievably teal deer is like a less intelligent, more smug Sargon. I didn't think such a thing was possible.

[@dmanew]

UnLuCkY 13 what’s worse... I used to watch him. Used to think he was better even.

[@dmanew]

@Grasshopper Yeah... God, thinking back on it makes me realize how close I was to the alt right. Never realized how precarious it was for me. Thankfully I now believe human rights matter more than edgy humor and rich people profits

[@dmanew]

@Grasshopper I cant even point to anything that fixed me in particular. It's so weird? I had a big watershed period where I went from edgy alt lite to full socialist in almost no time at all

[@juanpablomontalvo4715]

DM Anew I remember being an edgy like 14 year old when gamer gate first happened. Even back then all I really cared about was the idea of videogames being censored. I am anti censorship, but maturing and growing and having more experiences shows me that all these assholes don’t give a fuck about anything truthful. All they care about is screaming over their opinions and just want views from edgelords like I use to be

[@selty]

I didn't think that any of these dickheads could be MORE annoying than Sargon yet here I am unhappy in the knowledge that I was really wrong about that

[@JohnDoe-vz7ff]

He was pulling a cinemasins 'satire' excuse. He totally just didn't know WTF he was talking about.

[@nasaship7578]

That’s really sad. Imagine being so lazy you have to rip an even lazier channel’s spiel.

[@davidtaylor142]

Cinemasins is actually satire though. It's a joking running commentary on a movie. That's why it's fun. Cinemasins very specifically and openly do not think most of their jokes are real problems with the movies they look at. Please dont compare them to weird alt right dickheads please

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

@@davidtaylor142 the very channel you have posted this comment on has a video demonstrating why that's not the case. They may not be on the same level at these alt right assholes, fair enough, but the idea that they dont think they're bringing up real problems is not really true.

[@gamermapper]

What's wrong with cinemasins? That it's not very good film criticism? Well it's more like junk food surface level criticism, and it's not too serious

[@gamermapper]

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 yeah but for cinemasins we could say that he does unironically criticise the movies but he doesn't really care that much and it's very low effort criticism, so it's not just a joke but also shoudn't be used as high effort critiques

[@dirrdevil]

TL;DR is a joke. You can't just redefine neoliberalism outside of any political context, just based on etymology. It's like countering any criticism of Wal-Mart because "what's wrong with a mart selling walls?"

[@Gormathius]

Hold on, it's not a mart built into the side of a great wall? Or is it a mart built into the side of a great wall, selling walls?

[@YarPirates-vy7iv]

​@@Gormathiusall walls are great if the roof doesn't fall.

[@xhantTheFirst]

@@YarPirates-vy7iv Words to live by

[@anewhero1216]

TL;DR is so difficult to listen to that even Shaun’s impression of him is completely unbearable.

[@Miju001]

Tbh I find Shaun's impression much less bearable than the original lol (and that's fair because it's an exaggeration)

[@hipnog8002]

his avatar is not dark enough to be a "Teal" deer, his avatar could be called turquoise deer, or light blue deer, but to be a Teal deer it'd have to use the color Teal extensively, a color much darker than what his avatar mainly consists of.

[@XuntosIzor]

I would call it an aquamarine deer personally

[@empirecrumbles615]

XuntosIzor AQMRN;DR

[@edienandy]

Ahem, it’s a cyan deer

[@sairassiili]

well played

[@sighduck9789]

@@empirecrumbles615 "Actually Quite Much Reading Needed; Didn't Read"

[@AnnDVine]

It's funny that he says it's a hivemind, but Anita is talking about trans rights in front of Germaine fucking Greer. Yeah. What a hivemind... one of them doesn't believe trans women are women, the other is preaching that trans women are important women. Your assessment that the concept of a hivemind... with exceptions! is utterly ridiculous is spot on.

[@zenkim6709]

It appears that "hivemind" is just a way 4 the conservative camp 2 attack & deride social consensus -- because whenever social progress makes any substantial strides, it poses a direct threat 2 conservatism & the toxic individuality it frequently champions. Kinda how right-wingers like 2 denounce people as "snowflakes" 4 the crime of possessing simple compassion & social conscience. Hmmm ... I wonder why?

[@thombruce]

Add it to the list of things Teal Deer could have learned from a quick Google search but didn't... Seems he only uses Google to find definitions to the words he already knew, and never to find anything new. That isn't quite what we typically mean by 'confirmation bias', but it is quite literally him confirming his biases and literally nothing more. Teal Deer would probably take objection to that second 'literally' there, because figurative and hyperbolic speech is only okay when he does it, clearly.

[@eydk556]

They aren't women.

[@MichaelTheAwesome32]

@@eydk556 incorrect

[@Eosinophyllis]

@@eydk556 you’re just too sad to admit that they’re prettier than you and will always be prettier than you.

[@RaedwaldBretwalda]

"Does not understand" is a very polite way of saying "deliberately misrepresents and misquotes".

[@mayayamato7351]

tbf the title is designed to poke fun at the title of tl;dr's very smug videos, which are usually titled "X doesn't understand Y"

[@LazuliScarab]

Teal Shaun isn't real, he can't hurt you. Teal Shaun:

[@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow]

That thumbnail always makes me feel like I stood up too fast and now I’m on the ground after just losing consciousness for a second

[@udonge1043]

years ago i disliked this video because, well, i believed everything tldr said and was on the whole antisjw bandwagon. now listening to because im binge watching videos from shaun, contra, hbomber. i didnt even remember disliking this video omg.

[@Fuctmentality]

@Visionary Oaks , Progressive? Red/black?

[@Fuctmentality]

@@m.k9471 ,I mean anarchism is a progressive mindset, but given that the progressive is in modern politics send an of choice.

[@Dorian_sapiens]

udonge 104, I've done the exact same thing. A year or so ago, I watched Innuendo Studios' "Angry Jack" series and found it amazingly insightful. I was a bit embarrassed when I scrolled down to see that I had previously left a dislike and a smug comment on the final video.

[@kaylatippett3131]

This thread gave me a deep sense of hope for some of the more reactionary types around me. I appreciate all of you so much who can be open and honest about your histories and am glad to have you amongst us now as a sign that all is not lost. Thank you so much

[@BigT.Larrity]

@@kaylatippett3131 It's never too late, though it does get harder the longer you stew in that impotent hatred and self-victimizing mindset that the alt-right are breed from.

[@aaronchipp-miller9608]

TLDR told me one time that anarchists are authoritarian. I'm not kidding. He argued that point

[@BlondPanda]

Then again, he doesn't know what Neoliberalism is, so... yeah...

[@badsocks756]

Blond Panda ... Yeah, i guess that does make sense, then. *Sigh* oh, the shitlords

[@FishDinners]

Looks like his ideas are as good as...roadkill 😎

[@allancastellon4432]

Aaron Chipp-Miller well in a certain sense that's true but only in so far as literally any serious political movement attempting to change society must by definition use force and authoritarian methods at a certain point. It's essentially a meaningless charge, much like 'totalitarianism' which I could apply to literally any country on earth.

[@discordant8543]

Aaron Chipp-Miller Jesus Christ

[@Inivican]

TL;DR doesn't realize that the concept of neoliberal ideology predates Anita Sarkeesian.

[@servoaugusta513]

There are over ten states that still have laws against same-sex activity. There are ten states where it's legal to rape your wives while their unconscious. A quarter of Americans see interracial marriage as a bad thing. The idea of "a few bad apples" being the worst of these problems is insufferable.

[@neine999]

It's always funny when they bring uo the few bad apples thing. It's almost like they genuinely don't know that the full saying is "a few bad apples spoil the barrel" and not "ah it's just a few bad apples don't worry about them"

[@lotsofuwuenergy3983]

Napoleon Bonaparte Yep, exactly! Unhealthy ideas can spread and poison a group of people

[@animeotaku307]

Also, only 11 states have banned the "gay panic" defense in court (the one where you can claim temporary insanity for killing an LGBTQ+ person because they came on to you or you were going to sleep with someone only to realize that their assigned gender at birth wasn't the one that fit your preference, usually used by men regarding trans women). Three of those states passed the ban this year when I'm posting it (2020).

[@mohammadkayed7780]

@@animeotaku307 no way that's a thing

[@animeotaku307]

@@mohammadkayed7780 It is. www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/member-features/gay-trans-panic-defense/

[@ThePi314Man]

TL;DR sounds like he pays $40 a gram

[@WhayYay]

🅱️ruh moment #8

[@deusexrockina]

Yah. Absolute tool

[@possumhead2812]

Fucking nailed it

[@gyz9599]

he’s the type of guy to get slightly too high and claim it’s laced

[@communisttrash8590]

As someone who regularly is forced to pay $30 a gram I think it’s more like $50-$60 a gram

[@CasinoQueenScotland]

The "neoliberal" bit is the most incredible thing I've seen in ages. How does that kind of a fuckup even happen??

[@alfiesell8077]

Because Teal Deer is a fucking moron

[@juniperrodley9843]

TL;DR should have a dipshitted video competition with Caleb Maupin.

[@johnbehan1526]

I think Shaun is being too generous by suggesting TL;DR is an idiot. He didn't 'jump the gun' in the first example, he deliberately edited. The neoliberal bit is an argument in bad faith. The twisting of "compassion" is a bad faith argument. It's all straw men and deliberate misunderstanding. This content is for people who want to see someone be more unreasonable and disagreeable than they are willing to be, while reinforcing-and excusing- their own, 'polite' prejudices. TL;DR, this dude is just gross and doesn't care.

[@IamGrimalkin]

@@johnbehan1526 I disagree, the phenomenon of assuming the worst of your opponents is extremely common and it's not surprising he fell for it, it happens all over the place. It's much more likely he just made a series of mistakes via confirmation bias rather than deliberately misrepresenting her.

[@Nagoragama]

lmfao when TL;DR tries to break down the word "neoliberalism" literally.

[@quantumblurrr]

Nagoragama Hopefully that reminded people that he is nothing but an angry (almost definitely virgin) secondary school kid whos only point of reference to any of this is KZbin videos, no understanding of political or sociological concepts, but will speak on it with incredible arrogance

[@Jagdkartoffel]

And still fails to give it a good definition.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

@@Jagdkartoffel Quite. The "modern feminism" trope is so tediously overused.

[@TheFreepie]

@@quantumblurrr plus too arrogant to use Google to look up a word he doesn't understand. No surprise he has to resort to strawmanning feminists if he can't keep up with terminology

[@lonniewellsiv7640]

Shaun's videos are like ASMR for people with common sense

[@veryde_3356]

I love his non-chalant way to point out the most ignorant and bigot bullshit.

[@creepycustard2383]

The first "common sense" guy not to be a right-wing nutjob.

[@nachfullbarertrank5230]

Except for the parts where the other british dude shouts for no reason

[@harrypothead42024]

Not for me. Since Shaun is interested in being fair and showing evidence, assholes are always talking in his videos 🤣 they do get me thinking though.

[@jakers141]

seeing the source clips is actually quite painful :^) seeing people painstakingly document poorly founded claims is just tiring. it's not unique, or of merit in any regard

[@Zoshnell]

CONFIRMED: Shaun is the tallest person in the world.

[@Gormathius]

It's why he's shown buried up to his jawbone, so people can't tell how freakishly long the rest of his skeleton is. It's all in the spine aswell, it's very disturbing to look at.

[@VariantNode]

Oh my god TL;DR's voice is so grating. The snarky looking deer graphic doesn't help either.

[@fermintenava5911]

Just to think that some poor artist had to draw that for a commission and would not know to what use it comes.

[@mediterranean_penguin_1863]

@@fermintenava5911 Copying Bambi's father doesn't make you artist, there are thousands of Bambi drawings on internet, but then again it's still unfortunate for the drawer.

[@camerontrivett1772]

@@fermintenava5911 he really should give artist credit, they seem good, ill get art of tha sona done

[@ferenczliszt]

Yeah his smug chump voice is the fuckin worst

[@MrWhyte-np8wi]

@@ferenczliszt *listens to Shaun for 1 minute* you think this shit is any different?

[@RamzaBeoulves]

He fled KZbin because he was constantly getting exposed and ironically created himself a safe-space How poetic is that

[@TheShreyax]

Wow I just noticed TL;DR has no videos at all now. I remember there being so many organised in playlists. Do you know what happened?

[@henrynelson9301]

@@TheShreyaxall his videos got deleted and he just moved to alt tech video websites like Rumble. From what I can tell, he deleted them himself, his channel description is just him whining about KZbin being biased, and how he refuses to “support this platform with my work”. Basically all he does now is just a series called “I Can’t Even News” which he actually uploads to KZbin on a second channel. I watched a few of them months ago out of curiosity, and it was just really boring and racist.

[@joshuaallgood7030]

Yeah, he moved all of his videos onto BitChute as well, and it seems that they’ve gotten even more racist. I think this all happened when he made a video on eugenics and people called him out, accusing him of being a fascist.

[@DominoRenzo]

@@henrynelson9301hey bro, do you know any KZbinrs that debunk him (other than this one). I am going to believe what he believes because he has studies to back them up and want someone who can debunk him. I don’t want to believe what he believes but I am not going to deny evidence for my personal feelings.

[@henrynelson9301]

@@DominoRenzo Here’s one that’s a response to him not understanding multiple things, that ends with him saying really weird stuff about how consent is optional. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGLJeYGNZsaSprcsi=QbeQBz87U_WDNmKN Here’s one that responds to him defending incels kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ2zdJaXbsaekLMsi=Sb0m8kJEDIeNDJFw And apparently the last video he uploaded before leaving KZbin was defending eugenics.

[@lukethomeret-duran5273]

As a politics student, him not knowing what neoliberalism is, is fucking hilarious

[@hairymcnipples]

Just had someone in a forum lose their shit after someone else pointed out the export of labour to poor nations under neoliberal policies by screeching about how that was done by "conservatives" You know, conservatives. Not the proponents of neoliberalism, like Ronald fucking Reagan and Margaret "gender neutral toilet" Thatcher.

[@crestothegecko6279]

@@hairymcnipples 'margaret gender neutral toilet thatcher' im dead

[@eruusky]

I was crying from laughter

[@mtlewis973]

where did this thing of starting comments with “as a _” come from?

[@bananaboye3759]

@@mtlewis973 It was invented in 1874 by a man named John Asa.

[@TheMrVengeance]

Oh man, the irony of TL;DR making a video claiming someone doesn't understand feminism, and then completely butchering the meaning of neoliberalism themselves. Made me actually chuckle out loud. Pot calling the kettle black, eh? *EDIT:* HAHAH... The "it's just a joke" excuse. I'm dying, please send help.

[@emelgiefro]

Well help wont help because being insane is considered normal in the west so yes sorry :/ Whatever butters your muffin

[@neoir8514]

emelgiefro lmao what are you even trying to say?

[@leonardhollsten8145]

@@neoir8514 He is trying to say everyone who has a different opinon than him is insane while also being condscending. This is very usual behavior for the internet to express.

[@grazihartwig9235]

4:50 as a lesbian woman in a developing country where why are literally killed with an horrifying frequency, I'll resist for the ones who are dying, being their feminist or not. In brasil gay man are being beaten up and killed almost daily, women are being killed by their partners and parents and we can't walk on the streets without fear, feminism isn't just for me, is for everyone one else the dont have a voice. I'm absolutely thankful for you video, please keep up with your work. Thank you very much

[@vivimannimarcos125]

The argument that women aren't affected by wars is ridiculous. As if women aren't raped and killed en masse and treated like trophies during the war, and as if the war doesn't have a massive impact on how women are treated for many years afterwards.

[@a.j8307]

Or the fact that even though men do die in war, there is often a widow and sometimes even children left fatherless. Not to mention the mother of the soldier, female relatives and friends. Survivors can still be considered victims of war. widow is now stuck raising their children alone, and without the income of the husband. Life insurance only goes so far. War can have all of these affects on women, and still we have people saying men are the only victims of war and complaining that they're not forced to enter the draft. (Even though in Israel, women have mandatory military service, of two years minimum IIRC). As well as using the draft as an "example" of how society favors women and this is more proof that the patriarchy doesn't real. As Shaun said, someone has to stay behind when men go off to war, and this important responsibility that women had was part of the rise of feminism's popularity with Rosie the Riveter during WWII. And you don't even have to be drafted to be killed during a war. There were women living in Hiroshima....

[@cashnelson2306]

It's just another example of the right's inability to view *anything* at deeper than surface level, frankly. A child would look at war video games and movies and whatnot and tell you war is all about men. An adult should know better.

[@jjj7790]

I wonder what this guy has to say about the not-insignificant number of half-American kids and their mothers left behind by U.S servicemen in Asia during the last century.

[@vivimannimarcos125]

I came back to this video and thought to provide a very clear example of what I meant. Now as a warning, this is obviously upsetting stuff: look up "Rape during the occupation of Germany". After WWII Soviet soldiers raped an estimate of 2 million women (German, Polish, Soviet). 2 million. Many of them were repeated rapes and gang rapes. The leathality of those rapes was around 15%. 15%!!!!! Can you imagine what one would have to do to rape someone to death? And how many more women were left permanently crippled, incontinent, with severe internal damages? Some of the victims were as young as 8 years old. I appreciate everyone else responding to this comment bringing up other, less graphic but still significant examples, but... I just need to let this sink in. This is what happens to women because of war. The above example is just one of the better documented ones among many, among all such things that happen during war and genocide. Anyone who says the war doesn't affect women is a fool. A disrespectful, uneducated fool, willingly unaware of how the oppression of one sex spikes during times of crisis, war, fascism, unwilling to even consider the significance of this. Because after all, women have it so good, they don't even get drafted, they get to just sit comfy at home while the men fight. Right?

[@bayarddestrier]

Vehkaroni Teri as if there aren’t female soldiers and female military personnel in other roles

[@pocketzed3481]

3:37 "that's right - a pedant. an honest-to-God, old-school, dictionary-quoting pedant" Shaun sounded so thrilled at the opportunity to indulge in justifiable pedantry. and I support it. that's Content, babey.

[@Estarile]

Whats extra funny is Shaun is a far better Pedant than TL;DR. It takes skill to be a pedant without misrepresenting your opponent.

[@froginatub]

The funny thing is, Sarkeesian's speech is really quite measured and vague- she's (understandably) pretty conservative (in a 'cautious' way not a 'political' way) with her statements. It's really not a speech I could picture ANYONE getting too fired up over. It's not a bad speech, but it's just like. It's fine? It seems strange to get so riled up about it.

[@AnonymousAnonymous-xy9tz]

Right! And the sad thing is she's probably so restrained because of all the harassment she deals with. Seems like she's trying not to step on toes or be misunderstood, but with people like TL;DR she could say "snow is cold" and they'd get riled up.

[@IrvingIV]

It's easy to get angry if you want to be angry.

[@IrvingIV]

kzbin.info/aero/PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF

[@jessicawhitmore5350]

@froginatub Manbabies are notoriously fragile snowflakes, so even mild criticism makes them melt into a puddle of whimpering and hissing and crying and strawmanning. Like, seriously, they're the most thin-skinned people on the face of the planet, and any attempt to drag them out of their safe space by presenting them with things that challenge their world view results in them projecting non-stop and obsessing over it. Real men have the werewithal to engage in introspection and learning without an existential crisis.

[@IrvingIV]

@@jessicawhitmore5350 kzbin.info/aero/PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF

[@ThomAvella]

Easily the best takedown of TL;DR's work I've seen to date. I've started moving away from making response videos like this, because I didn't have many ideas about how to make them flow and be concise enough, but you've got it down pat.

[@yazzur8304]

I hope you don't completely abandon making response videos directly at some anti-fem channels. While I think channels like Shaun and Jen are obviously really good, important and worthwhile with their concise, well thought out and researched vids, I also think videos that get straight to the point, sharp and immediate are just as worthwhile. ContraPoints often does this in his videos, like when he talked about the made up problems of race that white people talk about in his Cultural Appropriation video. I'm not saying you don't have to be well researched, just that there's also a need for someone to just come out and outright state '' what in the fuck are you talking about? ''

[@ThomAvella]

Whip It Good I'm moreso referring to the "shot, reverse shot" type videos like these. There's a good way of structuring them (BadMouse and Hbomb have nailed it by making more like a video essay) but I'm trying to talk about things on a bit of a larger scale without naming individuals (not all the time, anyway).

[@laurabugorskaya9484]

Thom Avella haha i see you everywhere! Love your music taste, you should check out old school industrial like Throbbing Gristle, SPK, Coil etc

[@chocovul7]

Thom Avella I cannot blame ya, I was going to just upload a video of me repeatedly slamming my head on my metal desk for 10 minutes as a response to a video where he says that men are "psychological tortured" when they are denied sex from their spouses.

[@laurabugorskaya9484]

+chocovul7 Yet his immature fans still say he isn't misogynistic at all... smh

[@unpaidcomintern]

Jesus, Teal Deer could feed all the world's cows a hundred times over with all that straw

[@RecklesslyPessimistic]

I dont think you know what gas lighting means.

[@RecklesslyPessimistic]

Please elaborate.

[@cjdabes]

"Teal Deer is a spook. I'm a spook. This comment is a spook." - Max 'Spookbuster' Stirner, Ego and His Own

[@SsoulBlade]

Green Wave 2018 "OP's username is ironically very fitting." Says the one who's username reminds me of cow flatulence rolling over the hills? facepalm

[@VolkColopatrion]

said the facist crack pot sock puppet for Shaun's small peins

[@Tareltonlives]

Considering that the DR stands for "Didn't read", that explains a lot about that guy.

[@Tareltonlives]

You know that meme from Arthur where DW defies a sign saying "THAT CAN'T STOP ME BECAUSE I CAN'T READ!"? That's TL:DR in a nutshell.

[@Tareltonlives]

Straight white men have this tendency to think if it's not about us, it's wrong. If it's supporting anyone else, it's obviously a waste of time at best or oppressing us at worst. No wonder there's so many libertarians among them.

[@Tareltonlives]

And their response to the idea of privilege is "if you're so privileged, you must hate yourself" and "don't speak for an oppressed group" and then act smug when the oppressed group can't speak. If someone is being victimized, they call them a terrorist. If someone from the dominant group speaks on behalf of the victim, they go "butt out". Their strategy is to simply silence voices that make them feel uncomfortable or ask for responsibility.

[@celtinks2208]

Most of his content is academic studies tbh. He has to read those

[@T1J]

tl;dr is almost certainly just phoning it in for views

[@stateofthenihil8352]

I love it when people turn everything into character assassination. It's not enough to acknowledge disagreement, there must be something that paints the opposition as morally bankrupt and lesser than the rest.

[@hubrism4861]

"I love it when people turn everything into character assassination." And Sarkeesian is a con artist. I love the hypocrisy! Anyway, it is not disagreements when lies after lies, quote mines and stuff like that are pointed, is it?

[@stateofthenihil8352]

Hubris M "And Sarkeesian is a con artist. I love the hypocrisy!" When did I say that? "Anyway, it is not disagreements when lies after lies, quote mines and stuff like that are pointed, is it?" This has no relation to what I said. Quote-mining and lying =/= they're doing it for money. Get your head out of your ass. You don't know what you're talking about.

[@hubrism4861]

StateoftheNihil Maybe you didn't say it here. but the people you are defending say it quite a lot. Do you go around their channels with this point? Somehow I doubt it, hence hypocrisy. "Quote-mining and lying =/= they're doing it for money" And Janitor also didn't say anything about money. He said views. Could be pushing an agenda, fame or whatever, even money. Anyhow, so you are ok with lies and quotemines, then? You consider them ethical. Seems so. For you it is just "disagreement". I am simply tired of this shit, this dishonesty. So, in your book, one can lie and use whatever mean and must not be called out and have their ethics questioned, because reasons. Beautiful. Of course, those same people love to throw stones no-stop and harass the hell out of whoever they can. You are an ethical giant defending these people.

[@stateofthenihil8352]

"Maybe you didn't say it here. but the people you are defending say it quite a lot. Do you go around their channels with this point? Somehow I doubt it, hence hypocrisy." No quote? So, I am right? Thanks. "And Janitor also didn't say anything about money. He said views. Could be pushing an agenda, fame or whatever, even money." Fair point. I assumed he implied money when he said views. Maybe he wasn't though. Thanks. "Anyhow, so you are ok with lies and quotemines, then? You consider them ethical. Seems so. For you it is just "disagreement". I am simply tired of this shit, this dishonesty." When did I say it was ethical? I agreed with some of the criticism of TL;DR in the actual video. Some I disagreed with. "So, in your book, one can lie and use whatever mean and must not be called out and have their ethics questioned, because reasons. Beautiful. Of course, those same people love to throw stones no-stop and harass the hell out of whoever they can. You are an ethical giant defending these people." Nice strawman. Not once did I even remotely suggest that TL;DR should not be called out. Get your head out of your ass.

[@HarryS77]

TL;DR gets high and mighty about Anita "dehumanizing" women then immediately proceeds to dehumanize a woman by calling her a Hutt. Gotta love that self-awareness. Seriously Shaun, why bother with these people?

[@benbenson5776]

because it gives that sweet sweet money

[@rancper]

It's always easy to pick the low hanging fruit.

[@justinmeans3446]

Someone has to…

[@AbdallahTeach]

because those people are not bad people, they are ignorant and they genuinely believe what they falsely. those are humans like you and me and they just do what they think is right. i dont believe giving up on someone is gonna help them.

[@chestersnap]

He actually explained that in the video. He was recovering from the election and wanted to cover something easy. Research is harder than smug pedantry and that's all he really did in this video since that's all tl;dr did.

[@reneebear3641]

Anita: I fight for reasonable policies, such as gay rights & pacifism. Furry Guy: *...But you’re a woman...*

[@jayzandstra1830]

gay rights and pacifism.. and video game cencorship don't forget that :)

[@hoagielamp6543]

@@jayzandstra1830 She's a bastard for that, but that's not what's being targeted by teal deer.

[@carriemillar6277]

jay zandstra censorship? How?

[@sealogic4552]

@@carriemillar6277 You have to understand that criticism and censorship are understood to be the same thing nowadays. She is critical of the way video games portray men and women, which many people consider censorship.

[@omgkthxbi]

@@jayzandstra1830 so someone not sucking off your favorite vidja games is censorship now...

[@biglittlecolt]

Imagine having that smug, Disney-looking deer fursona and saying this sort of stuff. Good lord.

[@zenkim6709]

No Lord in heaven can help TL;DR....

[@wilkinscoffee4228]

Deer god

[@kingrocky7519]

Oof, I remember when I hated Anita, without having watched a single video of hers. I thought all of her fans were mindless sheep who couldn't think for themselves all while deciding my opinion of her based on the screamings of men like TL;DR. Jesus I was a dumb 15 yo boy.

[@Guitareben]

Same. I think it comes out of some need to find a strong person to really behind when you're that age. You just want to be on the side of someone "owning" or "rekking" someone else (SJWs, liberals etc). I left that kind of bandwagon when brexit in the UK started to gain traction in these circles, and looking back, these guys are just... Dickheads really, and just twist people's words to fund anger in there audience... Or something like that. I don't know, I'm just glad I'm out of there. Neither left or right is always right all the time.

[@quasarone3083]

I escaped the whole downwards "anti SJW" spiral a couple of years back too, but i do think within all the bullshit in these peoples videos there are still good points about how Anita is saying a lot of stupid things. It's burried deep beneath the insults of course, but i think it's wrong to say Antia is doing good things just because her opponents are usually right wing idiots

[@ilikeboltthrower4119]

Looking back at myself, I can’t think how 14 yr me thought teal dears way of arguing was the best

[@gordonf5553]

Y u p

[@greentaigo2552]

Lmao I was a gay guy deaperately seeking approval from a certain demographic before I realized how self destrictive it is surrounding myself with some bastards that think I'm "not supposed to use my sexuality as identity politics" but then cheer on anyone who uses their homosexuality to "own the libtards" because they don't care about something being homophobic.

[@badsocks756]

Tl;dr has never even heard of Neoliberalism (thinks it's a "bullshit... buzzword", doesn't even bother to research it), AND YET his fans think he's a such a brilliant thinker whose genius, enlightened analysis of feminism and other issues is just too scary for the sjews to understand. Tooootally "shattering echochambers", that one.

[@TheLithp]

How about fans of the shitlords stop deflecting? We can see him IN this video accusing Anita of "making up" the word neoliberalism. And any time something like this happens, the fanboys never present an actual counter proving that it didn't, because of course it did, we just fucking saw it. The refrain is always "watch their videos," as if giving them traffic is somehow going to magically undo whatever stupid thing they said that is being criticized. There's also no reason given for why you SHOULD watch the video. "Hear both sides" is not a reason, what specifically is he actually bringing to the table that merits hearing in more detail?

[@xmarx360]

i mean you just wasted a lot of time explaining why we should watch the video anyway

[@xmarx360]

your time is too precious to just explain what the response is but not too precious to tell someone they have to watch the video in so many words, or to bother replying to me about the whole thing a week later. its odd priorities if teal dear has such a great response somewhere in his 50 minute video that could just be explained here

[@xmarx360]

it's not a weird stance to infer from your insinuation that explaining tl;dr's response would be a 'waste of your time' that you put a premium on your time. it's not weird to notice a little bit of a contradiction between spending multiple paragraphs responding to one part of a person's comment but decide the other, more relevant part of the comment isn't "worth your time". if you're making a principled stand about not taking tl;dr's explanation out of context, that would be understandable. but it's contradictory to dismiss the one thing as 'not worth your time' while also insisting that there's a great explanation for what rhetorical trick he was trying that ended up making it seem like he didn't know what "neoliberalism" mean, but refusing out of hand to just explain it. to illustrate the point i'm trying to make, i'll say this: i would 'learn' (lol) to capitalize sentences and "full stops" (do you mean punctuation?) but it's not worth my time

[@xmarx360]

lol the ol' "oops i openly verifiably contradicted myself, better delete my comments just to be sure"

[@kellybrandmeyer8654]

You would think that if Anita's ideas are so terrible they wouldn't have to cut her off and misrepresent what she's actually saying.

[@rikkirikki4892]

That's the thing, I totally take issue with quite a few of the things Anita says (although I agree with a lot of it in spirit and what she's after generally). But like.. come on. Let's at least try deconstructing her arguments. Not just pulling out little, out of context snippets and putting words in her mouth. It's very easy to argue with people when you're creating the arguments for them.

[@Machiroable]

Rikki Pilgrim If you tried to actually hear the critics you would hear them, her videos about video game tropes are quite old, so are her the critiques about them, if you want to find them just search a bit for yourself. Strange how Shaun critiques people of that make videos against Anita for cherry-picking, but he does that himself.

[@rikkirikki4892]

Do you mean that he is cherry-picking the arguments to counter? Or that he's cherry-picking in a way that misrepresents TL;DR's arguments themselves? If you're saying the former then I agree with you -- there are definitely lots of legitimate arguments against Anita's ideas that would be less of a "low hanging-fruit" type of thing to pick apart, but then again I don't think that's the point of this video in particular. The point is to show that this type of argument shouldn't even be made to begin with since it's just a lazy way of showing your (typically young) viewers how to argue. There are other places for more nuanced discussion that would lead to a very different type of video than the one above, you know? I just don't think that's what he was going for. But! If you meant the latter I'm curious about why you think that. I binged a bunch of these videos in the past two days and unfortunately they've all kind of strung together so apologies if I get something wrong here. But I'd love to hear why you think this video is not representative of TL;DR's arguments (if that is in fact what you were saying above).

[@Machiroable]

@@rikkirikki4892 The author of vídeo not only cherrypicked quotes parts of vídeo where he could take out things of context, he even has gone out of its way to search quotes from tl;tr vídeos to put as representative of tl;tr critique. No wonder there's these many negatives in this vídeo, Shaun not only does everything he speaks against, but even tries to manipulate the viewer.

[@Machiroable]

@@rikkirikki4892 Also is not even that hard to spot the problem with Anita's arguments, like this vídeo where the author just switches the gender of characters she talks about kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3PCmZltjLSal6M , if your argument falls apart after you apply that to the group you "speak agaisnt" then that argument has no solid basis to begin with.

[@philippe-antoinehoyeck9374]

Oh dear, Shawn, this channel is the only thing keeping me sane anymore. Please never go away.

[@thescrimble]

We should have a kickstarter to give shaun immortality

[@Anelkia]

@@thescrimble agree

[@jackmonaghan8477]

Apparently TLDR is an acronym for Too Long, Didn't Read. Says a lot about the guy, doesn't it?

[@CassidyCope]

"Too long," and "Didn't read," aren't even separate clauses (they lack a noun). When someone's channel name is titled "Too long; didn't read", their channel's name is shortened to an acronym despite a lack of being affected by character limits *and* they incorrectly use a semicolon (something that is used to separate two related clauses), odds are they didn't read jack shit at any point in their life.

[@Ieam0309]

TL;DR is an often used acronym used before or after a large amount of information, giving a shortened explaination of the core of whay is being said.

[@quanhittersupreme6738]

Ironic that anti-SJWs talk about people being triggered.

[@TK2692]

That's practically all they ever do.

[@SSelkie3]

Just look at their reaction to the new bf5 reveal trailer

[@thedesk954]

Ceros Asman instead of listening to trolls about bf5 you should listen to proper critique, instead of your confirmation bias kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIu6hKKMa994Zq8

[@craftworded]

Proper critique: Soothing Voice

[@craftworded]

This vídeo literally starts from th Assumption that the devs dont make the game for the players but for the news

[@raulvp5421]

Bearing fans mad because they actually think Bearing is worth caring about.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

...or knows what a lower-case "g" looks like.

[@cypressbartlett9083]

Dear Teal Deer: Emphasising random words in a sentence doesn't make you sound smarter

[@kylerclarke2689]

"DOESN'T mean what you THINK it means" said with the condescension that only a completely wrong person can express

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

@@kylerclarke2689 WELL that is where you are WRONG. Kid

[@tofu_golem]

Most of the whining about Anita Sarkeesian is easily debunked by watching the Sarkeesian videos they complain about.

[@Brunomerez]

Wow, this guy is a low hanging fruit if i ever saw one. He literally can't make a single point without distorting what was actually said.

[@rascalpod833]

*looks at dislikes* and that's how you anger fanboys

[@BlondPanda]

He angered bearing fans for the most part. I think that's the fun bit here. IT'S NOT EVEN TL;DR FANS. *IT'S THE WRONG FUCKING FANBASE* Although, let's be clear here, there's likely a lot of overlap between the two fanbases.

[@TheSupaman98]

rascalpod833 And that's how you make ad hominem personal attacks without looking at criticism.

[@User71956]

I don't know why but the John Cena pic fits perfectly with that comment lol!

[@isthisnamegood]

I'm late to this comment Mr Otaku. But I have eyes and so can read the comments made by the aforementioned fanboys. To call this comment you're responding to an ad hominem attack and dismiss it while very carefully not reading EVERY OTHER comment from insulting to actual threats and desires for Shaun's death...well it just demonstrates the entire point of this comment you're responding too. You're defending a guy who simply tells people he disagrees with to and I quote "Eat a bag of dicks you shit head" you're defending him by crying "Ad hominem" attack. And I assume you did it without a hint of irony.

[@VolkColopatrion]

yes i did watch the video. through a critical lense. why is s&j defending the abusive, transmisogynist gaslighter who is now in trouble with the IRS after pulling off a confidence trick?

[@emile8147]

7:12 "There's no feminism element on the periodic table" Polonium was discovered by Marie Curie, first women awarded by 2 Nobel prices Sorry, just joking...

[@ellipsis7761]

I'm a vegitarian but roasted venison smells pretty good! The teal shade will look very nice next to the green eggs and ham.

[@firetarrasque4667]

No. No murder. Please do not eat your political opponents.

[@crunchytoast4993]

consume thy enimie?

[@xylophone897]

Teal veal?

[@veroniquebellamy4741]

Makes sense. After all, a vegan friend of mine agreed with my assertion that eating a Fortune 500 CEO would do more for the environment than being vegan would.

[@wschippr1]

Daniel Recor ...I'm a vegan, but that doesn't mean I don't eat all meat...

[@lookatmeseeks0186]

My favorite thing about shaun is that his voice sounds like he has the biggest smirk on his face, as if he is about to burst out into a laughing fit over just talking about this shit.

[@cmb9173]

he sounds confident without coming along as overly smug. isn't this what they call big dick energy?

[@ThatCamel104]

@@cmb9173 ENORMOUS DONG POWER

[@antonslavik4907]

He sounds like a pimple-faced nerd about to activate his trap card.

[@bluelight2681]

@@antonslavik4907 he sounds like a pretty cool dude imo

[@IndieGinge]

@@bluelight2681 I don't know what that guy thinks, but IMO Shaun is the coolest pimple faced nerd about to activate his trap card in the world. Solidarity of the cards and pedantry for the good of society is Shaun's MO in his vids.

[@cheer90099]

The fact that Shaun got more than 7k dislikes on this video is honestly astounding.

[@diosrightcalfmuscle4090]

Ive been scrolling through the comments newest first. The only comment i could find that was against Shaun was one that literally only said "im from the future and all i have to say is: simp"

[@cheer90099]

@@diosrightcalfmuscle4090 Truly intellectual heavyweights we're dealing with here

[@Tareltonlives]

Sarkissean always causes a hysterical overreaction from misogynists

[@jackvac1918]

​@@Tareltonlives It's really weird how hysterical the vitriol against her is even years after Gamergate blew up.

[@ornos3133]

I prefer sassy Shaun over calm Shaun for few days when I feel down.

[@AtticKnight]

I see Bearing's harassment squad of edgy contrarian teenagers that he totally has no control over have arrived.

[@robertwilfred636]

Convenient timing - Shaun hardly mentions Bearing lol

[@robertoavocado5478]

Attic Knight Oh boy, these are some dumb people. It's ironic too, because of what TL;DR was saying about how feminist were the ones with a hive mind.Hahaha!

[@VolkColopatrion]

you're being abusive. yes i did watch the video. through a critical lense. why is s&j defending the abusive, transmisogynist gaslighter who is now in trouble with the IRS after pulling off a confidence trick?

[@Smash_ter]

VolkColopatrion who?

[@lowfiend]

Just ignore Volk, they're copy-pasting the same thing in almost every thread on this video.

[@irwegwert]

Not even one Sargon in, and you've already falsely claimed that bulls chase red flags when the color doesn't actually matter. With that one point about a joke you made, I have clearly undermined your entire argument even though I haven't watched the rest of the video yet. /s

[@plop010]

>see all the comment complaining about cherry picking and intellectual dishonesty >go and start watching the actual video to see of they have any merit >video is even worse than the parts shaunandjen picked

[@benbenson5776]

does that void shauns cherry picking somehow?

[@fulcrum2951]

Shaun does cherry pick like his loud counterparts, but at least shaun didn't scream into the mic every single time when making a critique

[@Qtoyghs]

Shaun put a disclaimer up towards the beginning of the video that this entire, specific video would be following the TL;DR model of "select-bit-of-speech-you-don't-like, strip-it-of-context, then attack-manner-of-speech-rather-than-content" (although Shaun did a ton of content contradiction as well)

[@Nefariousbig]

Ben Benson It means it's explicitly not cherry picking... I mean by definition if they left out the juiciest parts that most fit the aim of the video (demonstrating tldrs shitty arguments), he did not pick the 'cherries' did he?

[@bobbyb6053]

Ben Benson I dont think you know what cherry picking means.

[@blackblackberry5809]

I really don't know what the issue here is, it's even explained in the name "tl;dr", too long; didn't read. The sentences of Anita Sarkeesian were too long, so he simply didn't read them

[@user-qv2qf1jk5o]

"Sometimes, your actions have negative consequences -" OH WOW ALL HAIL THE DICTATOR, BEND A KNEE TO OUR NEW OVERLORDS WHO KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR US

[@SlaughteredDecay]

TL;DR is not even trying to understand Anita: he is just constantly misrepresenting her points. maybe that's the only way for him to come out on top?

[@westingtyler1]

27:03. oh my goodness. "not content to keep responding to sentence fragments, he's now responding to individual words." thats the alt-right in a nutshell.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

😁

[@crabbieappleton]

6:43: Men may go off to fight in a war, but that leaves women home to bear the full brunt of both increased labor production and home/childcare. Moreover, when the victorious army starts marching through the conquered country, guess who's dealing with all those soldiers (hint: ask the German women what it was like as the Red Army was marching towards Berlin). Of course, when "Call of Duty" is your sole source of information about war.....

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Not even to go over how the story of COD games always paint the soldiers as saints we aren't allowed to judge

[@useroffline9999]

not to mention toxic masculinity encourages young men to be “heroic” and disregard their personal safety, and leaves a lot of vets with survivors guilt.

[@Kim-Yo-jong]

Why such a striking like to dislike ratio? He completely destroyed Tl;dr

[@josephineblum5506]

Jaganshi Hiei Bearing fans. The little joke he made in the beginning was apparently so offensive they had to dislike the video.

[@pwilll]

TL;DR made a reply video where he looks like he "wrecks" this video Spoiler alert: it's full of holes

[@Dorian_sapiens]

Creepy Jigglypuff, you answered your own question! 😃

[@bravetherainbow]

Destroying things is so overrated on this side of the internet.

[@xintract]

they just dislike the video and run away, happens to a lot of leftist content

[@BagelCollector]

as a former anti-sjw I used to follow and watch tl:dr... watching this now just makes me cringe for my past self at how ridiculous the community is, you watch them with a cool-headed perspective and you just see them literally being the sjws they relentlessly crusade against. Taking things out of context, reading WAY too much into things to fit an agenda, and just being dicks in general. The smug liberal stereotype might have some truth to it, especially if you count "classical liberals" as well

[@-gemberkoekje-5547]

Same.

[@dimthecat9418]

Woah I just saw you on that furry wolf commercial that’s a weird coincidence

[@nt78stonewobble]

A former anti-sjw? So what's your thoughts on eg. Cancel culture? Because I can't help but notice your post doesn't come with a "fire my for posting this" button?

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

Same. I followed them all for a year and a half before I broke the spell and realized how hypocritical it all was.

[@stewieismyhomeboy]

Am I the only that finds it funny that, when I see the phrase "TL;DR", I think of the phrase "too long, didn't read", which seems to be a good description of his channel?

[@RoninCatholic]

That's what his channel is named after, actually. No irony involved because that's where he got the name from.

[@S3NTRY]

stewieshomeboy, I don't think you appreciate the irony, as it applies to you.

[@geroffmilan3328]

Yeah, what's amazing is his viewers don't get it; if you "didn't read" then all you have to say is, probably, a parroting of what someone else said. A sane person would then want to hedge their bets a bit - againat your source making you look like an idiot. (Note the "look like": behaviours can be idiotic IMHO, much less so people). But appearing to be an idiot isn't high on the "things to avoid" list for these guys, despite their quasi-intellectual -> anti-intellectual poses. If inly ignorance could be mined, would end the need for oil...

[@emelgiefro]

@Madalin Grama well he responds to critisism unlike shaun that ignores it and pretends nothing happened while jerking you lefties off Say hi to shaun and ask him if he/she can send me more sources from his/hers website Good luck living in delusion and denial

[@LPVince94]

@@emelgiefro Now if only he would respond like an adult. XD

[@ghostpurr9570]

Does he really think that war only affects the people holding guns ? Like Oh women and children being bombed starved trafficked and having to both watch the kids and go to work outside in the best case scenario is just lovely basically disney land

[@Elita01]

@@leifstennes9822 ?? Did you listen to Shaun, tho? He outlined pretty clearly that one of the reasons why war could be considered a 'feminist' issue is the idea that only men are expected or drafted to pick up arms and fight. Feminism isn't just about benefiting women. It's about equality on all fronts. This includes subjects like toxic masculinity, male victims of sexual assault and, yes, men being drafted for war. I'm also a bit uncertain how women 'reap all the benefits'? Can you explain your thoughts on this further? What is there to reap from losing loved ones/homes/lives/being trafficked or bombed or raided or left at home to both care for children and support the household/work/contribute to the war effort?

[@losspol_3466]

I like how right wingers almost never responds to leftists arguments

[@crishealingvtuber8626]

As a Christian leftist, I hate how certain theologians can be extremely smart and knowlegeable about theology, but willfully ignorant about trans issues and leftism.

[@losspol_3466]

@@RV-fo8xj my man you've heard of a straw man?

[@fin9658]

@@RV-fo8xj you don't think he's purposely strawmanning? he literally misquotes her and cuts off her sentences lmao. if that isn't purposeful, i'm not sure what does.

[@juniperrodley9843]

Of course they don't. They can't respond to a leftist argument because we actually have facts on our side.

[@deiansalazar140]

@@crishealingvtuber8626 Eyyy a Christian Leftist! I'M NOT ALONE!

[@VexWerewolf]

Look at all the mass downvoting on this video. Almost as if TL;DR's fans got upset.

[@huggebugg3694]

DrTheKay I can’t even understand what you’re trying to say with that comparison, also you thought the video was bad why?

[@turtlecrossingarea9442]

@@huggebugg3694 He doesn't know, but he'll still argue all day with sources that he skimmed through and by telling you he can't explain because you're too stupid to understand. He just knows that SJWs are STUPID and BAD so everything in the video must be WRONG. Anyone not with him is a SJW.

[@bobbycutts2111]

@DrTheKay self upvotin ass, fuck outta here

[@lakiog1938]

American or England leftists are just weirdo fucks that get dislikes for a reason. Normal people don't like them stay in ut basements

[@eugenemis5983]

Frigidsoul don’t bother

[@petercahill6696]

It's obvious that Bearing just throws ad hominem attacks every ten to twenty seconds and TL;DR makes desperate grasps at straws and cuts off important bits to make his opponent's argument seem weak is because they have absolutely nothing to say about the subject at hand.

[@jacobuswille9277]

You should watch the original video made by Bearing

[@Max-pb8vf]

Bearing did respond in a video himself as this skull guy did misrepresent him here near the same way TLDR misrepresented

[@86Corvus]

It is obvious you have not watched the video and have no brainpower to question here said dishonestly quote mined cherry picked phrases, you just accept them as entirety of bearings message. You are proof that you can be utterly ignorant and lacking in brains department and still get upvoted despite being wrong.

[@Max-pb8vf]

What we triggered about, i think you will find i watched both - it is ok i will fix his video for him like i had to fix Shives yesterday - don't you worry about it chuck

[@freddyready8756]

not, but I get what you mean with TL;DR sometimes he just overlook stuff for his own benefit of the argument (even if its not by will or thinking over it)

[@austaneousc5802]

While never going too far down the anti-sjw rabbit hole, I too used to share this vague sense of entitlement towards my cultural privilege and anger towards Anita Sarkeesian and other feminist figures. After educating myself, and seeing where this toxic reverberation of inept identity politics leads, I can't help but laugh at myself for ever thinking that amateurs like TL:DR were justified. Anita Sarkeesian, where ever you are, I apologise profusely.

[@11111110]

Don't worry- most millennial women also reject feminism, or at least the label of it. The only thing it's lead to is a more widespread embrace of gender equality.

[@Fuctmentality]

@@11111110 Yeah, and the inability to communicate the branch of feminism one belongs to succinctly .

[@deifieddata4462]

*looks at dislikes* Looks like this video struck a cord

[@benbenson5776]

sure tell yourself that. it has nothing to do with the quality of the content

[@DemonOwnedYou]

Yeah with almost eight thousand likes it seems this is pretty lit

[@20035079]

Ben Benson it doesn't. you're just triggered

[@bobbyellis5006]

30 minutes of TLDR getting his avatar ass handed to him? Pretty cool, right?

[@mordenkainen88]

@@benbenson5776 Nobody on the left side of KZbin pays attention to the dislike ratios anymore. We all know the snowflakes on the right will flock to anything they disagree with just to click the dislike button. But sure, keep giving Shaun the traffic.

[@boggo3848]

Lol, look at all the people who commented/downvoted without even watching the video. TL;DR got wrecked in this video.

[@evaahh9584]

Bogdan Vera no he didn’t, people are accusing him of strawmanning but literally check the addyi saga. He does use clinical trials and stuff.

[@davidv4018]

Still... he got wrecked in this video.

[@evaahh9584]

David V how?

[@muhahhhaaa]

Did you watch the video?

[@evaahh9584]

an actual human yes. The entire foundation of his argument, that TLDR was a guy who just paused a video every few seconds and said a naughty word, was wrong.

[@chrisiousity]

BEARING FANS: TRY ACTUALLY WATCHING THIS ONE, FOR REALSIES.

[@MachineOverlords]

Yeah, you too, for realsies.

[@caocao2.089]

Spends two minutes of the video on a long intro. Cherry picks bearing and doesn't listen to his arguments at all. Gives the viewer the impression that bearing doesn't HAVE any arguments. Then proceeds to spend the rest of the video on a full on pedantry attack against Teal Dear with a few straw-men and a shitty mock impression for the finale. Yeah, really good video. -10/10 You are either a troll or you're really as stupid as your caps lock suggests.

[@wyattflint8856]

Lol you are white knighting for a white knight. Cute.

[@thegaminglion90]

+chrisiousity Did you even bother watching the video of bearing this guy is talking about? maybe you should try and take your own advice....seriously...

[@robertwilfred636]

They don't have time to watch videos - they have to meet their quota of disliked videos each day.

[@weir9996]

Me, sitting with my legs crossed: "Oh no, I have been absorbed into the hive mind"

[@thedoctor226]

Did the thumbnail brighten up anyone else's day, because it sure as hell made me laugh.

[@IGVladarski]

Smugly announcing not knowing what neoliberalism means has got to be the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen the alt right do...

[@nadiarey4196]

XD the guy doesn't know what Neoliberalism is!!!! ....I died.

[@bernardomarkuskampffdemelo4323]

Why is Anita Sarkeesian always seen by anti-SJWs as this unbelievably irrational evil feminist super villain? She's just a regular feminist, with perfectly understandable and reasonable views, who's definitely smart and appears to be somewhat nice, and, altough she finds many gaming tropes sexist, she already made it pretty clear that there is nothing wrong with enjoying video games! Oh, i get it... it's because she became notorious, so they must destroy her, so they can destroy feminism as a whole!

[@jankbunky4279]

Didn't she once say that she wasn't a gamer, and then later say that she had always been a gamer though? I thought that was always a criticism of her. Not that I have major issues with most of the other things she says. She doesn't seem very extreme or anything.

[@disappointingperson9162]

@@jankbunky4279 Well there is sort of 2 definitions of gamer, depending on the context. There's the capital G Gamer that base most of their identity on the fact that they play games, and just a normal gamer, who simply uses their free time to play and enjoy games. I didn't see the original clips of her saying that, but maybe that's what she meant?

[@jankbunky4279]

@@disappointingperson9162 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5fKpZduj9iLsKs (here she says she isn't a fan of games) videos.theconference.se/anita-sarkeesian-hate-and-heroism (Here around 6:14 she says she has been playing games for most of her life.) Of course the first video could be slightly manipulated to remove a bit of context but it doesn't really seem like it. Also, this doesn't mean that everything she has said is now automatically wrong, but it does feel a little sketchy to me.

[@disappointingperson9162]

@@jankbunky4279 Well there is a bit of a difference between enjoying something as part of your media and being part of the community/ fandom, she didn't make the distinction, but those two things that she said don't exactly contradict each other. I enjoy movies and have watched many since growing up and continue to do so, but I wouldn't consider myself a movie enthusiast.

[@ZeroDrawn]

@@disappointingperson9162 Its ironic to me that the subject of her talk before and after the indicated timestamp is how people try to deny women's life experiences, which is what is happening with the way those two links are being presented, one as a clip, the other a timestamp. In the second link, Anita Sarkeesian - Hate and heroism, she says that her dad was a computer engineer, her house was filled with gaming machines, she loved Mario and Kirby, and that when she was 10 she had to convince her parents to get her a game boy because they weren't sure if a male-marketed game "boy" was appropriate for a little girl. She says she played games on and off through her teenage and college years, and that she studied under a prominent games scholar, Jennifer Jenson at York University. She says she took courses on gaming and education. "In short, I've been playing games for most of my life." She goes on to expand on the conspiracy theories people have invented to denigrate her and 'prove' she doesn't play games. And then she puts a picture of a bunch of games (including Katamari Damacy, Gone Home, Plants Vs Zombies, 3's, Angry Birds, Lemmings, Mario Kart Wii, Rock Band, plus more) on the screen, and describes how they're stigmatized in a gendered manner as "casual games", "not real games" despite being some of her favorites. The fact that, when I saw that wall of games and categorized them in my head as "casual games" before she said anything, certainly lends credit to that point. She says that the male-centric focus of violent video game design and marketing and its very homogeneous playerbase as well as not being considered a "real gamer" if you don't play those types (fps and whatnot) has had the effect of making women feel unwelcome, and created a very complicated relationship between her and gaming. Which leads to this thread-relevant bit here: Quote: "As a result I, like many women, have had a complicated relationship with video games. My engagement with gaming has ebbed and flowed over the years, but I keep coming back to it out of a genuine love for the potential of the medium and a belief that it can be better." Continued: "So, even though I was actually playing a lot of games, these kinds of games [indicating the games displayed behind her], I still at various times in my life refused to call myself a gamer. And I didn't identify as a fan of the medium as a whole, which I think is not that uncommon of an experience for young women." ...like, her defense is built into that talk. It makes perfect sense to me why she said what she did in the first video, though I would sure like to have the whole video instead of a snippet for proper context. Her relationship with video games was complicated, she may have actually internalized the idea that she wasn't a "real gamer" for not liking certain games. She might not have been up to speed with the industry as a whole at the time. But people like to take that statement, without any nuance, without granting her the benefit of doubt, her lived experience, her education, and her clearly passion-focused career, and just use those few words to define her, to defeat her. To shut her down.

[@donkimble]

I really enjoy shaun’s tone of gentle exasperation. I feel less alone.

[@ArninoStorm]

The "literary genius" line had me laugh out loud. Good video.

[@SpoopySquid]

that moment you fail epically to define a term even when a quick google search could have done it for you and then try to brush off your ridiculous mistake/ignorance with the intellectual equivalent of "IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO!!!"

[@David-pr9zx]

Libertarian furry channels are a staple of KZbin

[@BlondPanda]

Oh, I get it. You said that you have a hard time responding to bearing, who isn't even the subject of the video, so now the idiot bearing fans have flooded the comments and likes/dislikes, because that's just what they usually do. He... funny....

[@demsterclippy4252]

I'm actually pretty sure most of them came from TL;DR actually. Sure, bearing was briefly shown here at his worst, but besides the fact that he isn't mentioned in the title (one of the big factors deciding wether or not fanatics will know their lord and savior has been attacked), TL;DR actually responded, and even went out of his way to make further videos on Shaun, practically encouraging his fanatics to come here out of spite, wether it was unintentional or not. I have a feeling that Bearing and most of his fans have no idea this video exists, unlike the TL;DR fans that must hold serious hate boners for Shaun and anything he stands for.

[@SsoulBlade]

"TL;DR actually responded, and even went out of his way to make further videos on Shaun, practically encouraging his fanatics to come here out of spite, wether it was unintentional or not." By the very same logic Shaun's video of TLDR is basically practically encouraging his (Shaun) fanatics to go there out of spite. Correct?

[@VolkColopatrion]

no... that's what you do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zpyqc4SJjb2Sfbc

[@SsoulBlade]

Seems like quite a knee-jerk right there. Just enough to go search for video to supplement said comment. So you you make me guilty of what you doing right now? Facepalm.

[@VolkColopatrion]

sounds like quite the quick defense to your sacred cow. and are trying to use the "nuh uh, you too" bullshit argument. nazi go home