The Race for Prime Minister: Who's Winning?

[@coolbeans194]

This feels more like a friendship contest for prom instead of a serious political decision.

[@Kathakathan11]

Pseudo democracy

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

feelings can be accurate

[@dannyarcher6370]

How else should it be done?

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@Kathakathan11 Democracy is dumb.

[@Kathakathan11]

@@dannyarcher6370 well but Britain claims to be perfect democracy

[@SE1Deadaim]

Mourdant did not serve in the Royal navy, she became a reservist after becoming an MP to puff up her empty CV. based on your synopsis of her its working.

[@ricardomartins286]

Not even a reservist she is a honorary commander. She never served in the navy. One minute. This is according to royal navy.

[@krisdaschwab912]

Having an empty CV is still better than Sunak and Truss.

[@SE1Deadaim]

@@krisdaschwab912 climate denier and homeopathy aren't cv worthy but are there. She's a nutter who'd be woefully out of depth in office. Sunak would be best in that he'll cause minimal damage before a next GE

[@00dude3]

She was also on Splash

How comes nobody is picking this up? I mean after BJ, the pathological liar, one should hope that the next PM is more... honest? Or at least basing his/her CV on actual facts and not well sounding fantasy. Hey TLDR! Any chance for you guys to fact-check this? Would be greatly appreciated! ;)

[@Leoau-h3p]

Hilarious that the conservatives vote for their leader with what amounts to a transferable vote, and the public only gets first past the post. Shows what system is better, and who would lose out if the people got their say haha.

[@MerrickKing]

I was thinking the exact same thing 🤣

[@Amelia-vk4jt]

Fucking hate first past the post so unrepresentative

[@SantomPh]

Remove "local" MPs and fill the Commons based on proportional vote. Then you have democracy.

[@SantomPh]

@@NadirAgha Nigel Farage's UKIP had 12% of the total vote share at one point. FPTP kept him out of Parliament-but unfortunately allowed so many others in.

[@danielwebb8402]

We voted against a move to an alternative vote system. The Tory vote for leader is first past the post to the members. The wider constituency. You are drawing the wrong comparable. You are saying the general election ballot paper should have all the candidates for the seat from Labour. And all from the Conservatives etc. Rather than the party choose 1 candidate. Then the public choose from between those candidates of 1 per party.

[@jonsmith5058]

It boggles my mind anyone can support Truss, even more that she gets that many votes. At least Hunt crashed and burned.

[@Cunnysmythe]

She seems like the only one running who is actually a dunce

[@Da1Dez]

@@Cunnysmythe Hence why we want her to win to ensure the Tories fail more.

[@kimsanghyuk97]

@@Da1Dez Having Boris and imbeciles like JRM in power have already caused so much destruction, I don't think we should be looking for more suffering...

[@Sam-sc6rr]

I can't get over how she boldly claimed to join the party that let her down as a child. 😂😂

[@jimmahgee]

The Tories are the party of “swivel-eyed loons”, who chose BJ as PM. What do you expect???

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

You ever seen that Simpsons episode where they try to recall Mayor Quimby because everyone hates him and Homer dresses as a Salamander. But no candidate gets any support, so they're stuck with Quimby?

[@davescott7680]

"I became a Tory because I saw the school kids in Leeds being let down" The fuck? So I joined the party who gives zero fuck about kids in Leeds?

[@bujin1977]

Reality: She became a Tory, and a Brexiteer, because she's a political opportunist and that's the way the wind was blowing. She's only interested in furthering her own career rather than doing any good for the country. Just like Boris Johnson.

[@vanbaguette7368]

Relatable to be honest

[@yagamienjoyer4408]

Facts

[@evannibbe9375]

She was inspired to let them down even more.

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

She's a clear case of rebelling against her mummy and daddy. Sounds like they were decent people, they must be deeply embarrassed

[@MKelly1923]

This Tory election process looks suspiciously like Alternate Vote... Weird, I remember they telling us that First Past the Post is the best way to elect a leader!

[@damienreilly4347]

Regardless of who wins this, the British public end up losing

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

That's the tag line for AVP - sort of

[@Rolando_Cueva]

Time to start a revolution maybe?

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

%100

[@henrybatten3315]

Honestly I think Sunak's approach of not cutting taxes is the most responsible, whilst its always nice to have tax cuts its the wrong thing to do during large periods of inflation.

[@daBuzzY90]

It's also patently stupid, right now. It would've been more prudent to have higher taxes during when the economy was running well, and now duck them a bit to give breathing room for the cost of living crisis, but well, tories are mongs. Rishi and Tugendhat seem to be the only ones with their heads actually attached to their bodies.

[@simonb2109]

People are struggling now, we had 10 years of tory austerity long before covid and with costs at an all time high just taxing us even more is cruel. We're one of the most highly taxed countries on earth and the reason we still have any wealth, rubbish.

[@demstaincanada]

That'd be okay if the tax money is reinvested by the conservative government and put towards higher growth but they'll likely continue to stripe public services while still taking higher taxes

[@alvinoze]

We’ve had 15 tax increases under the tories and a N.I tax increase during a living cost crisis & post pandemic. How is tax cut not a good thing, people and I mean real people are struggling with all these taxes and this ever-increasing living cost..

[@ElHipokondriako]

@@alvinoze because the most direct way for the government's to reduce inflation is to increase taxes and use the money to pay back previous debts with the Bank of England. That way, money is removed from the economy. If inflation is 10% you lose 10% of your savings and wage in one year. Landlords, on the other hand, will be more than happy to see the price of their assets bumped a 10%, and the icing on the cake would be to have their taxes reduced too.

[@Madzguy007]

Sunak is more well versed in the economics aspects of how the economy works compared to the other candidates

[@kamranhussain2210]

The only good thing that came out of Boris was the satire. Since the tories are still in charge, that will probably only be the good thing that comes out of the next government

[@tysonchurcher1736]

M

[@timisunder1404]

Not really all the good Boris memes are from before he was prime minister.

[@mix3k818]

Really wondering how Tories under Tugendhat would look like, minus any Boris-style instabilities

[@Brizlebird]

Look at the Liberal Democrats. Tory grassroot members wouldn’t vote for him because he is far too liberal.

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

Maybe quite similar to the Cameron/Clegg coalition government?

[@lgdcommanderchen]

I do support Tugendhat... He seems to be a very sensible and responsible person. But he, unfortunately, lose out in the second round.... I could see that Mordaunt have the same air, but still.... I really hope it is not Sunak, Truss, or Badenoch. As an outsider, they seems to be.... subpar, to say the least :')

[@theuglykwan]

He'd probably get sabotaged like Corbyn.

[@HotLavaMachine]

@@iAmTheSquidThingso, not great, but almost certainly better than our madlad Boris?

[@ArcaneCowboy]

"I believe the Ronald Reagan dictum..." The UK is worse off than I imagined.

[@EvilSandwich]

Oh look. The contest for the person who's going to get kicked out of Downing Street after the next general election.

[@alexties6933]

lol

[@ryledra6372]

We can only hope

[@Marcusjnmc]

fingers crossed

[@GOLDSMITHEXILE]

more like a cat fight to discover who was previously selected to be the next supine governor general of uk plc. The rich twatts couldnt care less wether its rishi, keir or uncle fanny as long as their trans national open borders business interests arent threatened

[@ShrunkedDude]

Just hope the voters don't forget about this in 22 months time.

[@davidhollins870]

She has not served in the Royal Navy - she joined the RN Reserve in 2010 when she became an MP. She claims to have become inactive in 2015, but I have seen claims that she has never done any RNR training.

[@-i1007]

this nightmare feels forever ago yet we still haven’t woke up

[@pansa507]

As someone from the otherside of the world who's been following this fiasco, I still can't fathom out how a person like Sunak got any chance in this, but here we are...

[@Fleeb-pb7zo]

Why wouldn’t he?

[@superhumantrueman]

@@Fleeb-pb7zo Because he is a tax dodger and Eat Out To Help Out was a really dumb idea.

[@Andrew-ob5ij]

As it’s currently just mps voting, not any normal person

[@harrytan5579]

Which otherside of the world are you from, surely not America.

[@anustubhmishra]

@@harrytan5579 probably australia

[@b3108]

The basic problem, as I see it, is that the different “factions” inside the Tory Party are *still* openly arguing each other and trying to out-do each other. Want a “unifying” candidate? Forget it.

[@istherenofreename]

I thought Brexit was meant to be the solution to unite the party!

[@KingBobXVI]

@@istherenofreename - Turns out, half-baked shit ideas that fuck everyone over aren't conducive to promoting unity. Who knew.

[@XIIchiron78]

Almost like it's not really one party but is only held together by the spoiler effect of FPTP

[@oliverto101]

No one is winning, this is one of those contests where everyone involved is a loser and the British people will lose most of all

[@imsoboredhahaha]

Why do they make the debates look like a bad episode of The Weakest Link? I would love it if they voted off each other with those blue oval whiteboards being absolute snakes to each other.

[@tdwinnerfordinner]

This one aged well.

[@EllRiver]

Was going to bed, but now I must learn about the British PM race. (I'm American.)

[@Jimmy-vm5wj]

omg same lmao

[@andreasarnoalthofsobottka2928]

This is technically not the race for PM, but for the leader of the conservative party. It just happenes to be the largest party in the house of commons commanding a large mayority. And traditionally the mayority leader is appointed PM by the queen.

[@WelshLeft26490]

I'm Welsh And no I'm not British

[@leonardoflorentin]

@@WelshLeft26490 what??

[@WelshLeft26490]

@@leonardoflorentin Wales, a Country in the British Isles, A Proud Nation 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@RoryHennessy]

Morguant has not served in the Royal Navy! She joined theRN reserve but has never been to sea.

[@anthonyclegg1511]

I thought so, she hasn't got a load of medals on her chest.

[@nuriben7910]

@@anthonyclegg1511 there a joke about seamen there somewhere

[@sanjivjhangiani3243]

It sounds like Gilbert and Sullivan.

[@anthonyclegg1511]

@@nuriben7910 it does sound like, a sherman tank to me.

[@InternetMameluq]

They also serve, who only stand and wait.

[@superninja7703]

Tugendhat was the only candidate who wasn't spineless. It's a shame the conservative party seem to have a policy against members with functioning spines and lean more in favour of people who have a loyalty to themselves over their country

[@johnroach9026]

Given the average age of the British conservative, I think most of them feel a bit jealous

[@corradomancini3271]

Any one can be a Tory member. There’s no policy whatsoever against anything. You definitely don’t live or work in the U.K…….. Because your comment indicate you don’t have a scooby.

[@BigMugsChannel]

As someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch the debates, this was a great summary video. Keep up the amazing work guys

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

Pulling out of the debate seems like a bad move. I think it would be better just to approach the debate with a less combative tone.

[@Marcusjnmc]

a third televised debate wouldn't have made much difference , they've already had 2 & none of their policies or personalities are liable to change , I was surprised they were even having a third, on top of that sky broadcasts won't even reach as many conservative members voting in the final round as the channel 4 & itv debates, aside from money from sky there was basically no benefit

[@theuglykwan]

Smarter to pull out. They've said all they had to. Plus the 2 strongest candidates pulling out at the moment would hopefully make the other ones look irrelevant. They are far enough ahead to be relatively safe so they have little to gain. Just let the stragglers whittle themselves down. Attacking them just harms them gaining their supporters.

[@JevansUK]

Labour won the first 2, who the hell thought these were a good idea, virtually none of the viewers will have been able to vote in this race so where the benefit?

[@rammen4]

TLDR News is a god send for us ex pats, cheers for keeping us in the loop

[@awesomeguy3211]

Hate the word ex pat. You're an immigrant

[@liamcollins9183]

Yep, living in NZ, TLDR is the best (and pretty balanced) way to keep up to date with UK politics

[@lulzyboy]

@@liamcollins9183 same in Estonia. Good job TLDR!

[@allliquid6320]

Ex pats ? You mean immegrants 😉

[@lulzyboy]

@@allliquid6320 yep. i should have corrected that too. i am an immigrant in estonia and it's nice to be kept up to date

[@wile123456]

12:20 tory brain rot. My left wing parents want more funding for education, but let me join the political party that saves money on education every year and who is responsible for those kids in Leeds not having a future. 🧠

[@adrianevans263]

Truss "my parents were left wing activists' I hope they are disgusted with you

[@olsenfernandes3634]

Was the disgusting thing the fact that she chose to join the party that actually has power to change the country instead of a powerless one on the decline?

[@adrianevans263]

@@olsenfernandes3634 no it was the fact that she has forsaken everything her parents stood for, and some herself given her stances pre Boris. All whilst managing to accomplish nothing

[@bertverhoosel7437]

She is not precisely respected in the western world due to some very dubious statements she has made in the near past questioning her general knowledge of what is happening in the world.

[@jvbutalid8316]

"Is Boris Johnson honest?" (candidates bicker against each other)

[@alasdairblack393]

This is an excellent process as the Tories are showing themselves for what they truly are I.e. not at all good for the country.

[@goli8699]

Tugendhat was the only one to answer the Yes or No Question with a simple No

[@joshuataylor3550]

That was refreshing

[@wile123456]

4:00 so the only conservative who isn't a homophobe or transphobe is forced to become one to have any chance in the party. How disgusting.

[@RCEASTMIDLANDS]

People disagreeing with your opinion doesn't make them "transphobic". You're alienating the public and have reduced public acceptance of LGBT people, making us all less safe, for the first time in decades. That's your fault for being an extremist. New polling from today even shows that less than a quarter of people in the UK even support your extreme arguments for language policing and far-reaching Self ID laws. You're losing and you're dragging LGB people down with you.

[@atwarroyal8770]

Because conservatives are more 'likely' to be against LGBT stuff, and they tend not to like it. So it was expected for them to elect people who take hard conservative stand against that nast* stuff.

[@RCEASTMIDLANDS]

@@atwarroyal8770 The conservative party isn't against LGBT stuff though - there's a pushback by society against extreme things being largely pushed by the left (drag queen story time and using kids as guinea pigs for irreversible and dangerous hormone treatments for example), and this is being reflected by the Conservative party, while Labour MPs bury their heads and pretend they don't know what a woman is.

[@atwarroyal8770]

@@RCEASTMIDLANDS but it isnt a crime to be aainst lgbtq

[@wile123456]

@@RCEASTMIDLANDS not supporting trans people isn't an opinion issue. They deserve equal rights and Healthcare like everyone else. Simple as that.

[@sahara-lu6eq]

does anyone think Tom Tugendhat looks like a sensible guy that actually can get more moderate and centrist voters, plus that he can negotiate with both lib dems and labour in terms of policies

[@Thermalions]

What, negotiate to get things done for the good of the country? That's not how party politics work.

[@Kathakathan11]

You definitely need conservative giver as per global situation

[@glennjanot8128]

The tories seemed to have realized that them talking does more damage than anything else, why else would Sunak and Truss have pulled out of the third debate.

[@bernardcooke]

choising one of them is like choising a toilet on day three of glastonbury

[@Jonny5a]

Thanks for the explainer section on each of the candidates. Found out some things that I didn’t know that have realigned my preferences a bit. Not that I have any say in who gets the job

[@sfbuck415]

"my liberal values made me a conservative but I'm totally not inconsistent" hmmm, okay

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

British politics is the biggest joke on earth.

[@mattiiful]

So, as an immigrant in the UK, my partners family are UK natives and are heavy Sunak backers; trying to tell them what he did under Boris is being met with "He's trying to rectify his mistakes now"...

[@sfp2290]

It is easier to convince someone of an obvious lie, which they wish to believe in. Than to convince someone of an inconvenient truth. That's my understanding of it all, and yes, this goes for absolutely everyone.

[@natenae8635]

Are they Tory members?

[@mattevans4377]

Tugendhat may just flip the board to annoy the Conservative party by backing Kemi. It's clear most don't actually want her in the final two, but Tugendhat's voters would help her knockout Truss and have a run at the final two.

[@MrWasjig]

While I'm not particularly thrilled for any of them to be PM, I'm hoping for either Sunak or Mordaunt. Truss and Badenoch are much too right for my liking, and they've put too much focus on this imported American-esque "Woke" bullshit. Not the kind of thing we need to be putting energy into at the moment...

[@danunpronounceable8559]

Why not? Woke mentality is literally destroying our institutions. I mean, people can't even agree that a women is an adult human female and people are still afraid of limiting immigration for fear of being called racist, which would sort many of the problems we are currently facing *cough* housing crisis *cough*...more energy certainly needs to be put into it.

[@MrWasjig]

@@danunpronounceable8559 Immigration is causing the housing crises? That's a weird way to spell "foreign money laundering".

[@danunpronounceable8559]

@@MrWasjig demand for housing is primarily caused by population increase, and a limited extent by money laundering, which is mostly focused in London property. This is why limiting mass immigration is a policy which advantages the working class across the nation.

[@jackb0nes13]

@@MrWasjig Immigration is causing the housing crisis, just no one will talk about it except Kemi. More people mean lower wages, it also means we need to build more houses, our population is a declining one, if it wasn't for immigration it would be a buyers market. No one is saying that we should stop all immigrants either but we are taking in far too many than we can handle. It is without a doubt keeping wages low and house prices high. If you look at the graphs of immigration and house prices they scale together.

[@ricardobarahona3939]

You must be an idiot to think immigration is causing the housing crisis, no white paper supports that except conservatives who need a boogeyman to defend their handlers, such lazy thinking. Also the same BA on immigration lowering wages just shows how weak labour is because it shows that employers are lowering wages without any pushback or solidarity.

[@miliba]

The only suitable candidate for PM is Waldo from Black Mirror

[@iamjimb]

I'd love to know Sunak's inside thoughts when Truss was talking about school

[@haroldharold2836]

I love everything about the chiropractic retreat joke. So unenthusiastic but so good

[@_tsu_]

I'm not a Brit but this was entertaining as hell

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

Cringe comedy not my thing

[@auto_revolt]

I'm a Brit and it would be funny if it wasn't happening to us :|

[@Thermalions]

I really don't get why they would have any broadcast debates for an internal leadership challenge. The public aren't the ones voting for leader and it just puts internal faction conflict and bickering in front of joe average. There's literally no upside and plenty of risk at the next general election, gift wrapping plenty of sound bites from these debates for the opposition to criticise the government with.

[@HG_1879]

@@Thermalions finally some sense

[@PeterNjeim]

@@Thermalions what? Why do people who know nothing talk as if they know anything. The next leader will be determined by the 180 thousand Conservative Party members, so obviously they have to broadcast it so that their members can make an informed choice...

[@skooplefloop]

Cameron - Quit Teresa May - Quit Boris Johnson - Quit I struggle to see why anyone would put their faith in this broken party. Now our next PM looks to be a beauty pagent rather than a good political candidate. Of course the guy with the fucking Colgate smile is going to win.

[@sirjackjackeroo]

Ben Howlett gave a completely implausible reason for the Tory voters kicking Tom T. out of the running…Tugendhat called the others out on honesty and was completely truthful about Boris Johnson, Tom T. not far enough to the right for their blinkered mind set despite his popularity with swing voters and others, however, there is little doubt that all contenders are unworthy candidates. The Tory party will always represent the Tory party beyond all other considerations, whomsoever wins the job the U.K. will undoubtedly face another two years of hardship.

[@cash_eye]

My picks from all the them have always been Penny Mordant & Tom Tugendhat I hope one of these 2 win the PM job

[@Marcusjnmc]

Penny needs to capture vote share from whoever goes out next out of Liz & Kemi &/or some from Sunak or she won't reach the final 2 even with Tom's votes added to her's

[@danunpronounceable8559]

Bloody hope not, she's not fooling anyone that she wasn't for a policy of self ID. I've been hoping for badenoch, but this race will probably be sunak/truss

[@krisdaschwab912]

I hope the Tories collapse.

[@kimsanghyuk97]

@@danunpronounceable8559 Badenoch said that she'll 'bring down immigration to reduce the burden on the NHS and housing' - I'm not sure why you'd support that given that the whole point of brexit was to reduce immigration. So now suddenly brexit hasn't worked and they want to cut more immigration through other means? Why don't they just give the funding to the NHS to 'ease the pressure' instead of looking to blame others all the time ffs

[@danunpronounceable8559]

@Alexander Hendry uh, yea, it's important that our leaders have a grasp on reality instead of falling for some fantasy that a women can have a penis

[@ImmuneGEORGE]

Sunak is guaranteed to be in the final 2. I think he'll probably walk the membership vote as well. He's a good candidate tbf, we do need to be careful with the economy following the enormous amount of borrowing we've had to take due to Covid. It's 100* better to have him than Johnson anyway.

[@tonisiret5557]

We should be getting electoral reform through, instead of taking part in this circus.

[@VikashSingh]

One thing that is weird is that UK seem to have more PM changes in general than elections for electing PM.

[@3seven5seven1nine9]

Sunak seems like he's the most economically literate but Tugendhat felt like a genuinely good guy

[@RCEASTMIDLANDS]

Tugendhat may poll well with the public, but it seems he may be too unknown and risky for the party to elect as leader. He also doesn't have any experience leading a big Government department, which would have helped his ambitions.

[@marcuscarman1854]

Tbh they will all be destructive to the country however sunak seems to be a little more realistic about the economy.

[@calumbishop7082]

In the last hour we've had Tobias Ellwood kicked out of the Tory party out of some form of petty revenge from Boris (Ellwood was one of Boris's chief critics in the Tory party as well as one of the first to call for his resignation over Partygate) as well as an attempt by the government to try and sabotage Penny Mordaunt's campaign (Ellwood was a major supporter/backer of Mordaunt, plus Liz Truss who's behind Mordaunt in the leadership race is the closest thing Boris has to a 'chosen successor' so Boris will want to hurt Mordaunt's campaign). The truth is the Tories are at full civil war with themselves, unless Kier Starmer does something stupid that destroys his reputation, Labour have the next general election won.

[@bertverhoosel7437]

It's time for Lord buckethead to step up.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

That would be easilly the best option.

[@moritamikamikara3879]

Lets go Lizz Truss! "A clean break from the war economy... Well, some of us liked that war economy! How's an honest warmongers supposed to make a livin'?

[@wardakawababa6213]

Sky should have kept the televised debate and empty-chaired anyone who declined to show.

[@PianoKwanMan]

Stand ins like: Lloyd from Henly standing in for Rishi and Judith from Rugby standing in for Liz.

[@borisgalos6967]

It's hilarious that the debates are done at a time when the only ones voting already know the candidates and are voting based on trades on appointments and policies made for support.

[@Marcusjnmc]

the people voting later are still watching here & also the more politically aware & active are communicating with their local MPs , both within & outside the party, this weekend was the right time for the debates imo, it allows for democracy via representation to at least have more a chance to function

[@bearcubdaycare]

Well, it does allow MPs to see how the candidates perform in a debate. Looking at post debate polling numbers might give insight to how well each candidate would lead the party through an election down the road.

[@Kathakathan11]

How is this a democracy, without direct vote?

[@terriblej6107]

@@Kathakathan11 there’s a few “democracy” that really aren’t democracy. Like the USA with the president

[@steveosborne2297]

I think it’s quite fascinating the fact that in the referendum for change of election procedures and the introduction of AV , The entire Tory party and government voted And campaigned against it . Now how do they appoint the new leader , yeah that’s right basically it’s AV .

[@corradomancini3271]

Nope you’re wrong. The government did not campaign against it. It was a coalition government

[@josephbacon7493]

I liked Tugendhat as a veteran for his speech on the fall of Kabul he seems more human than the rest of these parasites

[@Tsukiyomi001]

thanks for the chiropractor joke, i'm stealing it

[@nagoranerides3150]

If you want to see how little the chancellor understands the world of economics, just listen to the drivel Sunak came out with about the Bank of Englands' "Independence" and it's fabulous track record on inflation. For bonus giggles, listen to Truss praise the Bank of Japan for policies that have created two "lost decades" of stagnation. A world of their own.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

Japan's economic stagnation is mainly because they are losing population and don't have a big enough workforce not because of their economic policies.

[@pbkeyi]

@@olsenfernandes3634 While workforce is definitely a problem it's a long-term problem. The Japan's stagnation started ages ago and was caused almost entirely by economic polices. The country got into ZLB trap with deflation and the Central Bank of Japan completely failed to do anything about it for decades losing all trust in the process. And trust is the main resource of any central bank. Late Abe's economic polices were also half-baked with not enough political will to go all the way resulting in only a mild alleviation of Japan's economic health.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

@@pbkeyi Sorry, can you explain what the "ZLB Trap" is? I never heard about it.

[@pbkeyi]

@@olsenfernandes3634 The Zero Lower Bound where you have interest rate near zero and central banks can't go any lower w/o quantitate easing (which Japanese CB did end up doing but too late and not consistently that is stopping it as soon as they hit some 1% inflation or so) or going into negative interest rates (which no one knows if it's even going to work and how it would affect the economy in the long term). The Fed and ECB also hit ZLB in 2010s but did a far better job dealing with it (tho still they would be far better off with higher inflation target at around 4-5% and not 2% in case of the Fed). Global inflation is actually helping to alleviate this problem quite a bit cause everyone is hiking interest rates now, hopefully it would last.

[@ASLUHLUHC3]

Ok but what insane person would hand over monetary policy to the cabinet

[@WhereisWaldo]

He keeps saying "Voting for their favorite." That's not how this works. Why isn't there any discussion of strategic voting, something we know happened in 2019 in order to give Boris a favorable matchup when facing the whole party? Thin stuff guys, even for TLDR.

[@Kathakathan11]

There shouldn’t be such voting, one citizen one vote

[@SianNadine]

So this is essentially ranked voting. Why can’t we have this for the general and local elections

[@Kathakathan11]

Isn’t this wrong? Should leader of the country be directly voted for?

[@TheJaredtheJaredlong]

@@Kathakathan11 In a parliamentary system you vote for a political party in general elections. So the people vote for which party will lead the country, and the party then votes for who will lead the party. Ipso facto, the party leader is the leader of the country, but just because the people no longer support the party leader doesn't necessarily mean they want to see the ruling party deposed. This indirect system helps maintain national political stability separate from inter-party tumult.

[@Kathakathan11]

@@TheJaredtheJaredlong okay, well explained & thank you. SP when parties are elected, do people vote in Britain, 1 citizen 1 vote? I should rather just google entire system, sorry for bothering you.

[@iapetusmccool]

@@Kathakathan11 Yes, one person one vote. The country is divided into 650 constituencies, and each constituency elects 1 MP to represent them in parliament. (Most) MPs are a member of a party, and the party that gets the most MPs forms the government, with the leader of that party becoming PM.

[@Joey-ct8bm]

Tax cuts during this time of inflation is a awful idea. Experts are saying a recession is coming too.

[@CARL_093]

i think sunak can get the leadership but well lets just hope they get the right leader in charge

[@barrycooke2360]

Instead.

[@flarfo348]

i find it insane how half of them can openly be transphobic and still receive lots of support

[@osb1945]

Kemi badenoch 🔥

[@Josh-Beeton]

Really good summary, thank you.

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

I'm not sure it's quite fair to describe Badenoch as _"against trans rights"_ and Mourdant as going from _"supportive"_ to _"turning her back on trans people"._ Whether one is supportive of "trans rights" depends very much on the specific rights in question. A sizeable majority of people (including, it appears to me, most transgender people) would agree on rights such as: Living free from discrimination in education, work, housing, and justice. Recognition on documents. And appropriate medical treatment by the NHS. But they wouldn't agree on rights such as: Self-ID. Elected medical procedures on-demand without reasonable assessment. Being housed in prisons and shelters of your choice. Or competing in women's sports.

[@letsburn00]

I'd say though that a significant proportion of Tory supporters do not support the issues you talk about the majority supporting.

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

​@@letsburn00 You may be correct there. I'd be interested to know. Though it'd be near-impossible to get honest answers. I expect a small majority Tory MPs would support the rights to live free from discrimination in education, work, housing, and justice. But would probably put a higher level of institutional gatekeeping on legal documents and medical treatment. Tory voters might be even less supportive of those rights, and even more supportive of that institutional gatekeeping.

[@tourmelion9221]

Isn’t the main trans rights issue that many cannot get what they need medically without waiting ages and doing pointless things, torys love to prop up straw men to grow hate and make it look reasonable, but the main thing rn is about accessibility to medicine, and also support during youth as trans people are often disadvantaged

[@letsburn00]

@@iAmTheSquidThing The fact is. As much as we want to think small minded idiots don't exist In the west, there still are allot of them and they are still annoyed that the rest of us put gay rights in the "Why should I or the government stop these people living their lives where it doesn't hurt anyone." Camp. These people don't think the right to just live your life should exist for gay people and they absolutely positively don't think it should exist for trans people. They might be only 10%, of which the majority vote Tory, but that's still a vote that they need. Plus, like I said, the Tories want to distract everyone else. So make it look like Trans are somehow a threat or dangerous and people will focus on that. Instead of the economy having problems.

[@leoseling4413]

It seems like you haven't talked to many trans people, because most that I know do support many of the rights you mentioned at the end there. As do I. Because a lot of them could actually be life-saving.

[@sherazade82]

It is mortifying that the only choices available boils down to who can hide their corruption/incompetence better and appear more decisive. Sad state of the world we live in.

[@couldbeanybody2508]

Tugendhat is fresh and no corruption

[@KenjGB]

I'm backing Truss. She has the ethics of Johnson and the personality of IDS. If that doesn't destroy the Conservative and Fascist party, I don't know what will.

[@connor9700]

"Fascism is when people do things I don't like"

[@AS-wk9gg]

@@connor9700. Yes. Like banning protests, bringing in voter IDs, taking away passports of drug users, and supporting vaccine mandates. Not to mention wanting to get out of the ECHR, wonder why?

[@natenae8635]

Lol I was shocked for the first part of this comment. Although if truss gets through with Rishi he has a better chance.

[@GuardianofRoin]

Keep in mind, this is not of the people, but within the MPs. The polling doesn't really reflect what the MPs were thinking, but the electorate generally. From the American perspective, the more a candidate represents the people the more the political establishment tries to crush that candidate. Makes sense they would get rid of Tugenhat now.

[@benharis1956]

Same with voting of issues like LGBTQ, abortion, cannot people have referendum on them issues?

[@idraote]

As a non-UK citizen, I took my popcorn. I do admit that the squabbles were rather petty but still miles above the usual political quarrelling in my home country. If nothing else for the lack of screaming. The points debated were at least in part about policy and that's also a difference. All in all, a disgrace, but with a modicum of manners.

[@billcipherproductions1789]

As a UK citizen I also took my popcorn since I know that none of them would change any actual shit.

[@Adventuretimedebt]

Rishi Sunak reminds me of that one character in Now you see me.

[@M2Mil7er]

Only Uncle Rupert, and the consortium of business concerns he influences on the behalf of, know who the winner is.

[@Kira-Namida]

How did Hunt get 18 votes when 20 had to back him to get in... Real confidence being shown there.

[@John-ru5ud]

Looking on as someone from a former part of the empire (left in 1776) I think I know who the big winner will be - Labour in the next general election.

[@agrajyadav2951]

Truss be like : you're rich so u suck

[@lordgong4980]

Shame that Tom is out now Brits are stuck with some pretty slimy candidates. But that's what happens when those in power get to decide who gets more power.

[@Minimoshi]

Why is Kemi slimy in your opinion? To me she seems like the only real conservative with her own opinions left in the race. She polls well with voters too

[@llewellynwhitw5046]

Let us not forget that altho Johnson was the first prime minister to break the law while in office, Sunak was also the first chancellor to do so.

[@oskarrasmussen7137]

As a Dane, was there a particular reason you got rid of May? I mean, maybe her awfulness has just gotten overshadowed by Boris but the only bad thing I remember about her was that she tried to deliver on Brexit's impossible promises and thus knew nothing but failure.

[@TheMoonRover]

She couldn't get her Brexit deal through parliament. The Conservative party decided a new leader might have a better chance. Otherwise, she was probably the most competent Prime Minister we've had in quite a while.

[@oskarrasmussen7137]

@@TheMoonRover Sounds like I remembered her well then. Although maybe it was only because she wasn't PM long enough to fuck up.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

She refused to do what boris did. Split off northern ireland to get brexit before the deadline.

[@dorderre]

I should've got me some popcorn before watching this xD

[@Artosk]

If Sunak gets to 120 are his voters out of the running or do they get to move to new candidates?

[@bjnz]

120 just means that you're guaranteed a spot in the final 2 as there are only 359 Tory MPs to vote.

[@Artosk]

@@bjnz ah okay, thank you I keep seeing it discussed like he goes through automatically and is off the card

[@TheJaredtheJaredlong]

@@bjnz If any candidate gets 180 votes do they stop the process?

[@bjnz]

@@TheJaredtheJaredlong no, it would just mean the candidate with the second most votes go through to the final two, where registered members of the Tories vote. I'm not sure what would happen if two of the three candidates tied exactly though.

[@annikafrankenstein]

Truss talking as if she’s a Labour candidate, while wearing a red dress, and telling us her parents were leftists, what is this game she’s playing?

[@Marcusjnmc]

her core support are the right wing of the party & the largest point of detraction amoung con MPs she wants to vote for her is that Labour leaning voters would consider her unelectable

[@TheKingElfstone]

She didnt 'serve in the Navy' she was a Reservist who failed to complete her training.

[@cameronchurchill2749]

TLDR for life!

[@johnrushton5293]

Anyone but liz truss, anyone but liz truss please

[@josephbrennan370]

Lol

[@victormaranescu3341]

I think if it was left to the general public to vote for who they wanted as the new Tory candidate, it wouldn't be Rishi Sunak winning, that's for sure...

[@FrediHinz2]

Is CRT a thing in the UK or are they just importing buzzwords that make conservatives angry from the US?

[@Chrissy717]

Asked that myself, lol

[@jackb0nes13]

Not as prevalent as in the US, but we still have stuff inspired by it. Nearly all companies ask you for your race so they can fill diversity quotas etc.

[@gregoryfenn1462]

@@jackb0nes13 hope no one believes you here. It's ILLEGAL to ask for your race or gender when applying for a job. (Although you can optionally give the information after the application process.)

[@jackb0nes13]

@@gregoryfenn1462 What do you mean illegal? I'm 18 and applied to about 50 apprenticeships the past month and ALL of them ask for your race and orientation and gender. They are not optional fields.

[@richardkent]

Are cathode ray tubes relevant to this election?

[@anurgaprasad123]

How is having an opinion of trans-gender women not being biological women 'anti-LGBT'? Its a perfectly reasonable and common sense viewpoint to have... -__-

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

What does the T stand for again?

[@lewisbaitup6352]

"It's common sense to oppress minorities"

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

The least worst option right now is Mordaunt.

[@leonardwimbelton8920]

Sunak seems like the least worst, the very, VERY worst option has to be Truss, she'll end up starting WW3

[@FRANKSNAKE71]

Spoiler alert! Looks like clueless Liz will be the next “leader”. Good luck Britain… you are going to need it.

[@knkyeung7812]

Picking the minster who raise tax when he was in charge….

[@alangarland8571]

Interesting that the selection process is a sophisticated form of PR, not simple FTTP.

[@pattyrick99dad]

I was wondering is Critical Race Theory (CRT) a real thing in the UK?

[@GeordiSteve]

No it isn't. Which doesn't stop various unscrupulous right-wingers manufacturing hysteria about it in a frantic attempt to distract from the utter disaster they are making of every other aspect of the economy and society. So in that aspect we are just like the US.

[@danunpronounceable8559]

No, but leftists want you to think it is a problem that needs to be solved (it has no solution). That's why the anti-woke candidate badenoch is good for the leadership

[@SplashTasty]

No and it's not even a real thing in the US. It's talked about in highly academic fields and not in elementary schools. Same in the UK. It's a fear mongering tool. CRT was NOT a thing people talked about within the last few years, and the Tories have been in power the last 10 years. If CRT had been introduced to the curriculum, it would have been the Tories who did it lol

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Sure, it can basicly be whatever you want it to be. Like all the other meaningless words they use.

[@andycooper6085]

The Race for Prime Minister: Who's Winning? No-one. We're all losing.

[@Kathakathan11]

Why a common citizen not vote for them? That’s not democracy

[@HG_1879]

I wanted Tom, but I think Sunak is my second choice

[@bowiemcgrath8180]

Sunak does seem like the most competent and well versed on economics. Tom was a bit weak and an outsider so it makes sense he got eliminated.

[@kedbacon3832]

Oh great, we end up with all the cockroaches from johnsons cabinet, great

[@davidty2006]

@@bowiemcgrath8180 yet again sunak is the corrupt tax dodger and has backed boris throughout all the scandels. and the public hates him

[@FR-ud4zz]

honesty is the best policy and it opens the gateway for integrity and trust 👌