Sunak’s National Service Plan Explained

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Despite being 20 points behind in the pools, last week Sunak set the date for the next General Election. Seemingly, to close the gap, he recently announced a plan to restart national service. In this video, we take a look at why Sunak wants to restart national service and who might oppose it.
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[@Silentdave123]

I find it funny how 65+ love the idea, yet they didn’t have to do it themselves

[@tsarnicholasii8725]

Well I mean some did, remember national service was abolished in 1960 and the last conscripted soldiers left in 1963 so some actually might have

[@dallysinghson5569]

Funnily enough the National Service was ended by the time they were born.

[@juliuslewis5393]

Im fairly sure a lot of them did esp if they were born 1945 and earlier and surely it can’t be such a bad thing if they think it was a good thing that brought about skills. Surely it beats doom scrolling and TikTok brain rot right ?

[@Eltener123]

​@@juliuslewis5393 they grew up in a much lower skill economy where you could just lie your way into being an engineer

[@SmileyEmoji42]

A moronic comment. Should pensioners only be allowed to vote on policies affecting pensioners? (And some of them did have to do it when Labour brought it in last time)

[@user-ey1hh1jl9s]

"Parents fined", "unpaid placements". So working class kids have to do a year of slave labour. Rich families can pay not to.

[@mused89]

It's the Tory way.

[@KrustyKrabPizza22]

Tbf it says paid placement

[@TRISTANTHEGAMER]

@@KrustyKrabPizza22 only the military one that only 30k people can actually do

[@Adyen11234]

Hey, at least Tory is taxing the rich if this stunt does happen! lol...

[@samelmudir]

Get back in your pen proletariat

[@skellious]

How can you fine the parents of an 18 year old for their refusal to do something? An 18 year old is an independent adult.

[@Ioria89]

I believe it is called "blackmail." Only rich families will be able to afford not wasting 1 year of their children life.

[@XMysticHerox]

When the courts strike it down they can just blame Labour for sabotaging it and their voters eat it up anyways. Conservatism in a nutshell.

[@charlieprince275]

Brilliant point 👏🏻

[@walnutpants3600]

Remember they are not paying the 18 year old for the service so there will be no money they can take from them

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

A very good point.

[@TheCuggsmeister]

I've got a better idea. Whenever someone gets elected as an MP they have to spend 12 months living in social housing on minimum wage.

[@lukegibson6044]

Replace Downing Street with a row of council terraces in an impoverished neighbourhood

[@TalesOfWar]

What social housing? They'd need to build it first.

[@Tom_murray89]

Being forced to volunteer isn’t volunteering

[@riazortho]

Doesn't matter if it's volunteering or not

[@tisI-yz4hu]

​@@riazortho it does if you're calling it volunteering though, we're days into campaigning and already we're at the misleading words and statements

[@tomasvrabec1845]

​@IBSSnapeyit's not slavery. Merely forced employment. Those two are very different. 1. Expenditures are paid for. 2. You get paid. 3. It's mandatory. Slavery is simply "it's mandatory for life or until you buy yourself out" This is more comparable to a mandatory apprenticeship.

[@catfootball592]

@IBSSnapey I don't think you know what slavery is? What is wrong with doing some work for the good of others in the state?

[@theemissary1313]

The military term is "voluntold" You are voluntold to do it.

[@christopherhumphrys7398]

Trust me the regular army do not want to work with people who do not want to be there.

[@Bobbybulsara179]

How do you know the national service lads don’t want to be there? I’d have loved this. I know loads of squaddies who want to sign off, they’re still there.

[@dallysinghson5569]

It's self explanatory. If they dont want to be there they won't stay. Unless circumstances force them.

[@greg_mca]

​@@Bobbybulsara179if people wanted this they'd have signed up voluntarily instead of waiting for the government to force them. By its nature most conscripts would rather not be there, since if they weren't conscripts they'd already willingly be there or willingly be somewhere else

[@ZaFakeFoilo]

​@@Bobbybulsara179if they wanted to be there they would just go themselves

[@hendrx]

@@Bobbybulsara179 because if they wanted to be there, they wouldn't have to be forced to?

[@arah2368]

Tax cuts for the elderly, Conscription for the young. Welcome to Gerontocracy.

[@ernstschmidt4725]

that's what you get when youngsters think voting is a lame scam.

[@Ivan-bw6iw]

Sunak and Biden need to go,

[@grdfhrghrggrtwqqu]

You really think people are voting for that socialist party? At least you can do the country a favor instead of whining on KZbin.

[@wizzyno1566]

The only pausible explaination is he's grown to hate the Tories so he wants the biggest defeat in history.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

Honestly yes. He can save face by saying he tried too much this way.

[@spodula]

He does seem to be going for the Blairite exit. (one of the few former politician despised equally by the left and the right)

[@LIZZINHELL]

you don't go to prison for avoiding it, but you do have to pay money. in other words... it's only illegal for poor people. course the tories love it.

[@christopherflux6254]

They are threatening to fine the parents of teenagers who refuse to serve. But I thought parents stopped being legally responsible for their children once they turn 16. 🤔

[@ImTheHyperion]

@@christopherflux6254 My thoughts exactly lol they are deluded

[@Kaede-Sasaki]

They'll recruit 15 year olds. Gotta fight for uncle sam 🇺🇲...err the British people.

[@Maazzzo]

The damage these people have done to this country oin the last 15 years will take several decades to undo-- if ever. Unbelievable.

[@MrPmcMcMental]

There is always a get out clause for the rich, it’s completely fine if you don’t want to go …… just pay the fine …… poor people, you are getting fined, you won’t be able to pay the fines, so eventually you will learn to hand over your kids !

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Anyone who votes for this should be required to enlist themselves

[@yepitshouldbe3595]

It’s funny that the people who support it will never have to worry about enlistment or fighting

[@cazman182]

@@kevinh4869 "It just teaches you self discipline and makes you an upstanding citizen" Why do people just assume this to be the case?

[@TheBT]

​@@kevinh4869Yeah, young people are not drinking enough unlike those in their 50s and they need to be bought up to speed.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@kevinh4869 with our government, I don't trust them not to get embroiled in foreign wars. Too many were sent off to fight America's wars

[@juliuslewis5393]

Even the people who already carried out their national service in the 1950’s?

[@HenryKatty]

I would be retiring or working less in 5 years, and I'm curious to know best how people split their pay, how much of it goes into savings, spendings or investments, I earn around $250K per year but nothing to show for it yet.

[@bonner-qv3mi]

predicting short-term market movements is extremely difficult in reality. It also essentially requires the investor to be right twice: they must perfectly time both their entrance to and exit from the market.

[@WalterDorcas]

That is exactly the reason I stopped taking advise from KZbinrs; in the long run, I only end up with a jumbled collection of stocks and bonds. Whereas all I needed to earn over $350k in less than two years was guidance from a true market expert.

[@HenryKatty]

I've been considering but haven't been proactive. Can you recommend your advisor? Could really use some assistance.

[@bonner-qv3mi]

"Angela Lynn Schilling" is the licensed advisor I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with to set up an appointment.!

[@HenryKatty]

I looked up her name online and found her page. I emailed and made an appointment to talk with her. Thanks for the tip!

[@TheLiamster]

I’m patriotic but I would never serve the armed forces just to line the pockets of defence companies and fight a pointless war in the Middle East then return home traumatised (or worse in a coffin) and ending up poor and homeless. I’d only join if there was a truly existential threat to this nation or if the British Isles were invaded (and that would never happen because of mutually assured destruction from our nuclear deterrent and neither Russia or China have the capability to even do so in the first place) It’s unsurprising that there is a shortage of people enlisting considering we are in an age where social media allows anyone to be well informed and public trust in the government is at an all time low.

[@user-co6qi2sl4g]

You’re right. The real threat to us is this government

[@Demondoink1]

100% couldn’t agree more with you. I find the military interesting but I’d never enlist unless, like you said, we were invaded or something. If, and when, I have kids, they wouldn’t be either- unless they felt it was their calling in life I suppose. I’m in Scotland and lean right but this is making me question voting for the Conservatives. In all honesty I just try to pick the least bad party, cos atm I’m sick of the SNP and their woke laws they bring out every year or two. However if this is the alternative then it could be even worse 😂😂

[@Mgameing123]

@@Demondoink1 Please don't vote conservatives. Their goal is to ruin the lives of the working class to benefit the rich.

[@jakeh491]

Would you include an invasion of nato as our island being in imminent danger? If so I fully agree 👍 if a war started on another nato country you'd want to hold that war in that country. If it expanded to a nato country with nukes billions would die. That's what an army is for. Avoiding a nuclear war!!

[@RoyalPain_isaG]

​@@Demondoink1going woke and glutten free or going 3 meters underground to defend the sweet shareholders value. The decision is yours scott man 😂

[@wsTGS]

no one wants to fund the NHS but randomly spending 2.5 bill on this shit is pointless

[@KrustyKrabPizza22]

​@allenjenkins-xd5uiNot only that but 1.5bil would be taken from the shared prosperity fund

[@wsTGS]

If he wants to fund something that's MANDATORY for youth then fund schools more, build more? Honestly tackling child poverty would make a more direct meaningful impact to people's lives than "fostering an attitude towards service" would? U know?

[@inbb510]

​@allenjenkins-xd5ui, source?

[@wile123456]

Can't wait for the tories to lose power, than labour gets in with their neo-liberal status quo ideology, refusing to improve welfare. Social democracy is a dead ideaology in europe

[@ConservativePartyGrassroots]

£3.7 Billion for the New Hospital Programme is being spent up until 2025. Never mind the majority of the 40 new hospitals we be built 2025-2030 due to Covid planning delays.

[@dondoodat]

Sunak hasn't served the country but he expects others to.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

He’s self-served for his family though with all those lucractive contracts that went to Infosys.

[@mappingshaman5280]

We pretend we got rid of feudalism, when in reality we still have lords summoning their levies.

[@manana1444]

@@mappingshaman5280 Judging how you are still ruled by a king and lords, and most of your income goes into covering rents, I don't think you are even pretending at this point.

[@michaelmarriott11]

Silly man

[@EverettBurger]

The military doesn't have a monopoly on serving one's country

[@gentlemandemon]

just remember, if the penalty is a fine, then it'll be legal for rich people to skip out on the national service requirement

[@shafsteryellow]

Bingo.... it'll be a tax on the rich

[@Diovanlestat]

Yep, Bonespurs come to mind

[@JayAndNightASMR]

It doesn't affect me, but it made me sign up to vote, to make sure this never happens.

[@HomelessDanDev]

❤Thank you

[@Alex-mu4ue]

If they want all the young people who dont vote to vote against them, theyre doing a great job at this!

[@TheBT]

The problem is that the only young people who this law will affect are not old enough to vote. Their parents on the other hand might be motivated to vote against it.

[@yorkshirepud6676]

You saved me typing this Thanks !!

[@joeds3775]

They do. They don't want to drive now they've crashed the car.

[@ulyssesgrant4324]

If your in the military you can still vote.

[@frogchip6484]

​@@ulyssesgrant4324 From what I read it looks like this policy won't actually come into effect for another four years or so, which means that those who are affected (anybody below the age of 14 right now) can't vote for Labour in the face of this policy.

[@jakalordarkblood4331]

Ah yes, getting money from "tax avoidance crackdown" AKA "we have literally no clue where we're getting the money"

[@In_Paradiso58]

14 years LATE-r...just desperado waffle...

[@JayAndNightASMR]

Yeah if labour had said that, tories would say they're tring to scare off the rich amd investors

[@bomoose]

taxing the channel islands and other territories

[@0w784g]

Isn't a tax avoidance crackdown funding _every_ Labour commitment so far?

[@XMysticHerox]

@@JayAndNightASMR Not just the Tories. The media as well.

[@abduco1847]

many of the people supporting the idea are mysteriously ineligible for service

[@OnafetsEnovap]

Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

[@smartwater598]

Why are uk men such a cowards?? So feminine so scared to join the army lol you don’t want to protect your own country?

[@FatRonaldo1]

How do you fine a parent when an 18 year old legal adult doesn’t want to do unpaid volunteering?

[@ghostedaway5619]

literally they want everyone to catch strays, fine the parents if their kids doesn't go to school and now again fine the parents if their adult child doesn't want to partake in something. i really think they're trying to paint all youth as the bad guys

[@martinh8784]

So, if this madcap plan is implemented, hundreds of thousands of unmotivated and "I rather would be anywhere else" young people are going to flood into the Police, NHS and Charities. Who will look after them, train them and manage them? The sheer idiocy of this idea is mindboggling.

[@YourXavier]

But that's the really brilliant part. All of that will be someone else's problem to fix and when things go wrong, it'll provide even more excuses to blame young people.

[@angloirishcad]

Half of Europe already have national service...what's the problem?

[@forestflood5338]

@@angloirishcad They'd rather be vaping and drinking in pubs

[@Starnoxiar]

@@angloirishcad The problem is that nobody is asking for this. Its not the emergency services that asked for this, its not charities, its not the NHS. It's a fluke plan of a politician in a attempt to pull voters away from parties like reform UK. I doubt that is plan wil actually happen but if it does it would be an absolute waste of 2.5 billion. If you want young people to volunteer more give them the stability in life to do so, don't just dump it on them.

[@filozof90]

@@angloirishcad It's completely pointless, also I have doubts about the "half of europe" part.

[@pogusmogus3573]

sunak is just going to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks at this point

[@SevenEllen]

Quite. It's perfectly desperate, last-minute and last-resort stuff, which is all he has now.

[@nathaniellindner313]

“We’re deeply unpopular amongst the public and an election is now barreling towards us. How we solve this? …What if we brought back impressment?” The absolute state of the conservative mind right now

[@paulollerhead]

Interesting. I won’t pay the fine, and my daughters won’t do National Service…. Will I then be criminalised for something another adult didn’t do? Interesting, crimes passed down generations.

[@Kaede-Sasaki]

Is it both sexes or will it be just the males, like in most countries...which is sexist?

[@Mgameing123]

@@Kaede-Sasaki Its better to make the males. But if the males are the ones fighting then the women better stay home.

[@OnafetsEnovap]

@@Mgameing123 It's not right. Either both sexes do it or not at all, preferably the latter. The sooner the world gets over this obsession with "National Service" (more like National Servitude), the better.

[@VolcanicTendencies]

@@Mgameing123Go back to Gilead

[@GregAdventure]

Conscription in Northern Ireland would not go down well considering the relationship between the British Army and some of the NI community. Yet again the conservatives are showing they do not understand NI.

[@chungusfootfungus]

Because this plan was written up in about 5 minutes

[@spodula]

Its been written in half a day to try to appeal to a bunch of gammons defecting to Reform between the ages of about 50 and 70 who never experienced national service, but think the country is going to hell and this will straighten the yoof. Despite the fact there is no evidence this did or has ever worked. The money would be much better spent on the pay and conditions of our actual volunteer soldiers who ACTUALLY WANT TO BE THERE and are currently being chronically underfunded. Its even got a get-out-of-jail free clause for his rich supporters. I wouldnt worry about it happening. Labour will drop it like the boiling dog-turd it is, and I suspect the Conservatives would quietly drop it even in the extremely unlikely event they got in.

[@MegaMURRAY123]

There has never been conscription in ni or Ireland during both world wars so it isnt going to start now

[@XandateOfHeaven]

I didn't even think about this aspect of it, jesus christ they'll burn Belfast to the ground.

[@GregAdventure]

@MegaMURRAY123 Indeed, there was no conscription in NI in WW2 but the Unionists get very upset if the law in NI is any different to mainland Britain. But it is never going to happen in the UK anyway.

[@johnluckhurst3946]

You know, if they had just offered 18yo's a years paid tuition for nursing/ teaching/ any job our country is lacking, this would actually be pretty good. Instead we're going to have a load of kids who are only just learning how to take care of themselves, let alone others, blindly thrown in situations you know they aren't going to be properly trained for.

[@HahaDamn]

Kids need to grow up, teenagers are idiots and perpetually infantile

[@Coglio]

Na that would make too much sense, help too many people

[@JayAndNightASMR]

Same as the army, if they offered better benefits and got rid of Capita, they'd get more people signing up

[@ffotograffydd]

@@TheBoobanA lot of countries have got rid of national service in recent years. And it didn’t work in the UK the first time around which is why we got rid of it.

[@ffotograffydd]

@@TheBooban If you’re from Singapore and live in Sweden then why are you advocating for young people in the UK to do National Service. It’s none of your business. In my country, which is the UK, I know it won’t work. I served in the military for 12 years and so I know they do not want this, nor do they have the resources and personnel to implement it. The only thing you’re right about is the current state of the UK, and that’s largely down to 14 years of the very government that has now come up with this ridiculous policy. Why would it succeed when everything else they’ve done has failed miserably?

[@fakename45]

"Will Sunak bring back national service?" No, he is about to dissolve parliament before being kicked out of office.

[@sagnikbhattacharya666]

He can be kicked out as leader of Tories but he still can choose to stay UK PM

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@sagnikbhattacharya666 Well, no, he can't. The Prime Minister has to be able to command the confidence of the House of Commons, which means with the Tories currently polling around 25% and predicted to win 100 seats, that won't happen. Going by the current numbers, if the Tories do the best they're expected to do and Labour do the worst, Labour will still have 140 seats more, which means the King will have no real option other than to invite Starmer (or whoever becomes leader if he loses his seat) to form a government.

[@Gilder-von-Schattenkreuz]

@@sagnikbhattacharya666 In theory Yes. But in Practice he would be Powerless as his MPs would no longer Obey him and thus he would not be able to do anything. Also. The Tories which hold the Majority. Could simply Vote him out in Parliament. Which would then also remove him as PM. None of this will happen tough. With the Elections being on the 4th of July. There is simply no Time nor need to do anything like this. Even if the Tories Chose a New Leader and somehow managed to get everything done in Time. They would be Happy if Sunak would just Shut up and Stay PM so the New Leader can make Empty Promises during the Election Campaign without having the new Candidate being in any Position where he could be Implicated in past Failures. So even if they Removed Sunak as Leader. They would likely keep him as PM and try to Avoid a Struggle with Sunak as that would just Destroy the Tories even more.

[@mappingshaman5280]

​@sagnikbhattacharya666 no that's not possible. Parliament is ran by whichever party wins the election not the prime minister, hence why when bojo had a vote of no confidence from the tories he had to go. The only way to be pm without a party would be if every single seat was held by an independent

[@purplenanite]

I mean, this plan was under the supposition that he would be reelected. So if it was any time, it would be after the election. But yeah, it's unlikely given the evidence we've seen so far.

[@somepeopleneverlearn]

you dont need a house if you are killed in war

[@user-gb3qm1fb1x]

Watching from the USA, looks like that rich kid wants all the poor to die first.

[@TheRealTopG01]

go figure your gender buddy

[@Jim90117]

Just what a skint 18 year old balancing work and college needs, one weekend every month slave labour. A ridiculous, uncosted policy that will drive grandparents, parents and 18 year olds to the Labour party. Honestly just when you thought Sunak couldn't possibly get more idiotic.

[@satista2381]

They would learn responsibility. A lot of which our young do not have

[@_Mintyz_]

​@@satista2381It could very well do the opposite as well

[@tk-6967]

How is it 'slave labour'? You think they'd just be working and nothing would come of it?

[@_Mintyz_]

@@tk-6967 It's forced work without pay with punishment if avoided, sounds very similar

[@tk-6967]

@@_Mintyz_ By definition sure, but then community service is also 'slave labour' by definition. The idea that giving up a single day of each month to help out with the local community is comparable to the type of shit the people working in Qatar go through is ridiculous.

[@j.j.1064]

Sunak's parents should be fined for unleashing such a stupid asinine entitled narcissist on the British public.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

Not to mention the hypocrisy of him making immigration to Britain harder, while being the son of Immigrants.

[@GoogleSnakeee]

unfortunately we cant fine them since they live in uganda🤣

[@spodula]

To be fair, i suspect it hadn't been the fashion for rich unemployable idiots to jump into politics back when he was born.

[@vixen878]

he's english

[@jokerofmorocco]

Should be sent back to India

[@NaCl1252]

I asked most of my younger friends if they would do national service if they were called up for it and nearly all of them said “f*ck no”, which says a lot about the outlook of this scheme…

[@wizzerdsuntzu]

Not even if the Enemy, are at the gates?

[@OnafetsEnovap]

@@wizzerdsuntzu Not even. That's what professional soldiers - willing volunteers - are for.

[@CompetitiveRacist54]

@@wizzerdsuntzuThe enemy is already inside the walls.

[@DB123infane]

​@@wizzerdsuntzunaw. Just take up arms for home defence not for the government

[@smartwater598]

Why are uk men such a cowards?? So feminine so scared to join the army lol you don’t want to protect your own country?

[@farli]

Once again, I bet Northern Ireland never entered their minds when making this sort of pledge public.

[@Friskni]

as a northern irish man, if they dared try to get any of my side to serve then they will have something to fight

[@frogchip6484]

@@Friskni With all due respect boss, we hardly need to start scrapping with England over this. Best not to give the violent thugs of the New IRA any excuse to appear reasonable. This country has come a long way, and this is not something that should cause us to go backwards. Even some Tories don't like this policy, it'll go nowhere and if it did they'd likely make an exception for us anyways.

[@Friskni]

@@frogchip6484 I agree that its unlikely to reach us. But this is a line for me.

[@frogchip6484]

@@Friskni Aye of course, there would be protests across NI if it were to be enforced - theres no way any 18 y/os would be grand with being forced into the British Army, its politically impossible. Maybe they're considering that NI will likely be unified in 4 years time, so it won't be affected?

[@tonymcconville326]

Yet another comment showing that nobody on here actually cares about the details of the policy. There are only 30,000 military places available and there will be an application process for people wanting to go down that route. Nobody, let alone people here in NI, is going to be forced into military service. The military aspect is a small optional part of the overall scheme.

[@gavinsmith9564]

Brexit Britain, from live and work in any EU Country to a Brexiteer forced labour camp, all in under 5 years, quite an achievement.

[@raflk6947]

Just asking, if that’s a forced labour camp, what’s countries like Switzerland and South Korea’s national service called then where it must be in the military for more than 18 months??

[@catfootball592]

I lived in Germany for 17 years and they had national service. In reality, most Germans just ended up doing community work. Because the Turks didn't want to do it, they tended not to take German citizenship. So It has my vote could stop the Pakistanis from coming over here.

[@khandle918]

I never even considered conscription to be on the cards as a result of Brexit but here we are.

[@Frommerman]

@@catfootball592 Turks usually can't take German citizenship my dude. What a staggeringly racist take.

[@EbonySaints]

​@@raflk6947​One of those countries has had a position of armed neutrality for over two centuries. The other directly borders a literal dystopic hermit kingdom where the threat of being annihilated is omnipresent. Sunak is redoing conscription not out of some great need or higher cause, but to score brownie points for a constituency that will never serve and likely never has.

[@Wozza365]

I've never seen the Tories go so hard on trying to convince literally just old people to vote for them. I (regrettably) voted Tory at the last election, now they've just cemented the fact I would never vote for them again.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Honestly curious though, why did you vote tory?

[@Wozza365]

​@@user-op8fg3ny3jI didn't feel Labour were a party of government. Maybe I'd been taken in by the media but I didn't and still don't think Corbyn was a good leader and I don't think he can ever appeal to a wide enough audience in the UK to win a majority, his policies are too far left. For local elections I tended to bounce around based on purely local factors and local reputation.

[@NuSpirit_]

I mean maybe they are trying as hard as they are because they know something and know it will be a $hitshow in upcoming years so they don't want to be responsible for it?

[@blazzz13]

@@Wozza365 Do you genuinely believe Corbyn would have been worse than Boris?

[@user-ib9ky2jo9h]

@@Wozza365but the tories were a party of government? lol

[@billymarsh648]

Sunak for frontline

[@bigj1905]

“Remember, if your country is economically unstable and people don’t like your current government, instituting mandatory conscription is a great way to ensure stability and popularity!” -Literally Nobody

[@Mgameing123]

-Someone who wants to ruin a country*

[@glen1555]

When I was 18, I had left home, was building a career, and estranged myself from my parents, so fining them because I had refused National Service when that decision was nothing to with them is rubbish. This idea is not even quarter baked.

[@tk-6967]

Well people who are 18 nowadays don't tend to have those kind of opportunities lol

[@ffotograffydd]

You could still be living with your parents, but if you’re over 18 you’re an adult and not their responsibility. The fact they’re actually talking about fining parents simply demonstrates that this is a half baked scheme thought up on the fly and not run past anyone with half a brain. It’s a total nonstarter for many reasons.

[@qhu3878]

​@@ffotograffydd nono they fining parents is very well thought out, the less fortunate and downright impoverished will be forced to send their children to the military or be even more financially ruined, while the rich can just pay it off and send their kids to oxbridge

[@davidioanhedges]

18-year-olds are in the eyes of the law adults, trying to force their parents to pay fines is not going to be legal 60% of 18-year-olds are working ... so they want them to work more for no pay ....

[@Mike.Smth2112]

Many worked from a younger age for poor pay and have to deal with that only to be sent off to the army camp on the weekends when they can actually earn better money from employment. I was on really bad pay until I turned 18 and if I had this forced on me it would be protest time at Westminster.

[@terrylandon7997]

Working more for no pay... Sounds familiar. Anyone Backing Britain 50+ years on?

[@MsJubjubbird]

Volunteering is very good for people and young people make great volunteers. It can open up new interests, build confidence and help develop skills. Sometimes it can lead to jobs even. Plus, everyone should have to give back to the community or help those less fortunate. However, they're selling it like it is community service for prisoners. Wrap it up differently. Young people are interested in the environment so get them doing revegetation work or if they're interested in rights for people with disabilities then they can be voluntary support workers. Get them to list their preferences and, pending screening (ie someone with a criminal record can't be with people with disabilities) assign them to an appropriate agency.

[@davidioanhedges]

@@MsJubjubbird That word you keep using is volunteering, and I agree it is good for people to volunteer for all the reasons you said- but this is not volunteering it is conscription, forced work

[@MsJubjubbird]

@@davidioanhedges a lot of people wont' volunteer to volunteer unless they are led to it. Schools do it a lot and it's good for the kids. I think it is a good lesson for young people to do something and not expect anything in return. They just have to package it better

[@Ramschat]

Fun fact about Sweden: most young adults there actually don't see the government as hostile to them and their chances in life. Because the government of Sweden hadn't been ruining the lives of young people for more than a decade now. No wonder Swedes feel different about giving a year of their life to the state.

[@Demondoink1]

I’m not so sure about that. They are not happy about mass migration which has seen crime (in previously very crime free country) sky rocketing. Personally I think this conscription service is a dumb idea but your point isn’t true and there is certainly backlash towards the Swedish government in recent years.

[@XandateOfHeaven]

@@Demondoink1 The "migrant crime wave" in Sweden is a myth concocted by the media. Sweden's murder rate in 2021 was the same as it was since 2000, and all reported crime per 100,000 has remained stable since 1991. There is no objective evidence of a crime spike, it is entirely based on personal anecdotes and hearsay (ie not real evidence).

[@Kaede-Sasaki]

Sweden until recently wasn't alps a part of nato following us wars, so they'll probably balk at having to fight in ukraine or wherever the us president...err swedish pm tells them

[@Lomhow]

Uhh dawg you need to read Swedish news from the last couple of years. Every country has their own problems. If you're talking about viewing your own gov as hostile, that says more about you than it does Sweden.

[@Ramschat]

@@Demondoink1 Unhappiness of youth in Sweden towards the government isn't close to the level we see in the UK. And please stop this nonsense about 'skyrocketting crime', immigrants are statistically less likely to commit crime than natives

[@johncarterofmars47]

It incredible how tone deaf Sunak, and seemingly his advisors are. "You need to be doing your part, young people" at a time when those young people cant even afford a home is just... so bad

[@Eltener123]

The wildest thing about this is a bunch of old people unironically thinking "yeah I reckon I know better than the army if they want this lot"

[@salkoharper2908]

To be honest, England is run by the Rich, for the benefit of the Old and Rich. The Army just does what they are told. If the last few failed wars in the Middle East are a lesson. The lesson learnt is that the armed forces are now existing mostly to fight wars for rich corporations and billionaires. The British military spent more time protecting Oil refineries and shipping lanes than anyone in blighty.

[@jamessteel9016]

The boomers who have always dreamt about being in dad’s army should be signing up.

[@soundscape26]

I think you'd quickly fill the 30k paid vacancies.

[@ffotograffydd]

They have rose tinted spectacles regarding National Service. I served in the armed forces for 12 years, and I once had an older relative tell me how lucky I was because he’d “missed out” due to them ending National Service before he was old enough. I told him he could have just enlisted into the regular forces like I’d done if it had been that important to him. He had no answer, but he did at least have the decency to look embarrassed by his daft comment. They never wanted to join up, they just like the idea of playing soldiers.

[@pastlesandfish]

Will Sunak's daughters be going?

[@iambicpentakill971]

Rich people pay the fine

[@debbiegilmour6171]

One of the biggest problems with seriously implementing this is that it dilutes the professional force and can be used as a way of justifying keeping military salaries artificially low. The military has, for the entire length of the tory government (and like the rest of the ENGLISH public sector) suffered from extremely limited salarial growth.

[@HahaDamn]

Punishment for not doing it is a fine? Aka free for rich people lmao

[@Andy.Smurphy]

If they want to bring back national service then bring it back for all, once you retire you spend three days a week working in nursing homes and hospitals ... lets see how popular national service becomes with tory voters then ...

[@spodula]

Nah, it comes with a get-out clause for his rich supporters. You just pay a fine.

[@amb163]

Nothing like saying "You're an adult now, you have to either do free labour or potentially put your life on the line in military service," while in the same breath threatening to fine parents like the 18 year old is still a child.

[@jakeh491]

To be clear a year of military TRAINING is NOT on the 'frontline'. Don't agree with the proposal and think instead the money should be spent on teaching the younger population our country is still great and still worth fighting for. That is far more important than turning the younger generation even more against their country. And would boost our reserve numbers to an acceptable level without forcing anyone to join..

[@StevieSpiers-ru3mf]

I'm sure Mrs Sunak will be delivering their daughters to the barracks personally.

[@greg_mca]

Of all the countries in the world, the UK is among the least culturally willing to institute conscription. As an island nation there are only 2 reasons for a large army - invading somewhere else (not popular) and turning it on the population. The UK has no credible land threats, and the navy and air force are more directly limited by material than people. National service and conscription are also undemocratic practices, so there's no way that even a sizable part of the population would agree to such a policy

[@ypp0p]

Exactly, they can force the kids to go do national service but I don't think they would be prepared for how these 18 year olds would react to it. They think a BRITISH TEEN who doesn't want to be there is going to be doing anything productive? If anything they will be so disruptive they will be doing damage to these institutions from the inside 😂

[@mappingshaman5280]

The whole purpose is the bankers want a war, they need soldiers to make sure countries like North korea, Iran, Russia etc don't achieve success snd nationalise their assets.

[@filozof90]

What about the situation in Ireland?

[@deanl4575]

@@filozof90 What about it?

[@jakeh491]

You also need an army to stop wars coming home. You don't want to wait until you need to fire nukes to start protecting urself. Because at that point we're all dead anyway. Like ww2 Britain didn't use its army at home. We used it to make sure we didn't need to use an army at home ie fighting the war in other countries. However like Afghanistan or Iraq there was next to no chance of us being invaded by them so wars like that were 'pointless'.

[@hotsaucebeliever]

That 1 billion coming from Anti-Tax Avoidance funding seems calculated

[@speciesmg7537]

Comparing this country to Sweden is ridiculous. Scandinavia has a robust social security framework, and a better quality of life. They don't (in general) typically allow malnutrition and homelessness to fester while the rich get richer.

[@UWot-jd5tf]

It's like they think we still have an empire and not just a shit decaying rock in the north sea.

[@daikucoffee5316]

The thumbnail makes Sunak look way more serious than his plan is. Especially compared to the pics Starmer has in camouflage.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Sunak is a larper confirmed

[@VietnameseBall911]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j he definitely plays HOI4 in his down time

[@2Links]

​@@VietnameseBall911as a Briton he might be more into EU4...

[@Dead_Metal]

You could definitiely market this as: 'Action Man - Sunak Edition' Just think of the sales!

[@l.j.turner185]

Apparently this is going to "get young people out of their bubble." Be great if someone could get the Tories out of their bubble. They've been completely out of touch with reality since Thatcher the milk snatcher

[@SevenEllen]

Quite. What bubble are these Tories referring to? These poor young people are perfectly miserable, trapped in an anti-future environment, suffering anxiety and depression, and are unable to afford food, electricity and homes, with nothing but addictive little screens to bring them brief relief and escapism.

[@CptnPhasma]

It's also ironic that they want "yound people out of their bubble" as we stayed isolated from friends and families to save the old bastards from dying

[@ghostedaway5619]

it'd get people out of their bubble if the youth actually had third spaces to go to that weren't replaced or demolished during the tories reign of terror

[@jcrosenkreuz5213]

The old comedy "Yes, Minister" is leaking into the real world again.

[@koboldprime2257]

Conscription is a human right violation. A state that cannot convince it's people to fight for it's existence has no right to demand it.

[@OnafetsEnovap]

Precisely. Even "progressive countries" like most of Scandinavia and even some parts of the Mediterranean are guilty of this. It's slavery and sexist.

[@gameofender4463]

It’s irrelevant tbh. Everyone can see that Sunak is going to lose. The fact he seems to think he can win shows how ignorant and self-obsessed he is. Boris, like him or not, had a personality and you got a normal/down to earth feeling from him. Whereas with Sunak, doesn’t seem to care at all. And is more obsessed with himself.

[@isaacgarcia1605]

I agree. I hated Boris, and even though he had an upper class upbringing (Eton and whatnot) and is likely just as snobbish as Sunak behind closed doors, he still had that feeling that you could have a beer with him. Sunak feels like he’d assume you’re a waiter

[@NicholasTheGreat211]

Do not let the fruits of victory tumble into our mouths to quickly... It seems likely labour will win but we cannot act like they have already won...Remember what happened in the 2016 US election...And yes the UK is different but the principle applies the same

[@gameofender4463]

⁠@@isaacgarcia1605That’s the thing. They both had an elitist education etc. But Boris never acted like he went to Eton. You know like all rich and posh and snobbish etc. Whereas Rishi does.

[@gameofender4463]

@@NicholasTheGreat211 Oh I agree. But Trump has a personality. And pretended to be anti-elite. Rishi can’t do that. 😂

[@Coglio]

Which BoJo are we talking about here? The same guy that went to Ukraine to STOP negotiations in 2022? F that guy he's just as bad as all the others, I've never seen him give a straight answer on anything, down-to-earth how exactly?

[@superhumantrueman]

Its desperation. After 14 years they have no success stories to point to, so this guff is what they offer instead.

[@adrianbrown527]

Well said You are spot on desperation is all the Tories offer.

[@protectandsurvivelivinghis3206]

it's pre-emptive punishment because young people are unlikely to vote for them, same thing with Strides "welfare reforms" where he's punishing Disabled adults and those on low incomes for not voting for his party, if they can't win by coercion, gerrymandering or project fear the plan is to lay massive and expensive elephant traps for the next government whilst engaging in punitive policy to try and break the will of their biggest detractors and shore up the grey vote with pandering to people with a rose-tinted faux nationalist Nostalgia for a Britain that never existed outside of Heartbeat, it'd be funny if the issues weren't so bloody serious.

[@beepboopbeepp]

Giving fines to parents for an adult chosing not to go to military is outrages lmao

[@finnjones625]

I have 2 nephews and a niece, and essentially, tories want young people to choose death in a military war or unpaid slave labour.

[@19932603A]

Imagine an 18 year old "working for free" in a call center for lonely people (or whatever it is going to be). Bruh, people at that age rarely have the mental security yet alone the ability to communicate with people who are socially estranged/abandoned or vulnerable. These "voluntary" options aren't really voluntary considering it's mandatory for a year (or to go die in Syria/Somalia/Mali/wherever).

[@ypp0p]

I am predicting broken windows at the very least

[@theminisimmer]

Yup, I was depressed and going through a quarter life crisis when I entered college at 18, and later on I started having severe health anxiety to the point where I was experiencing symptoms mimicking what I thought I had. 18 is a tough time for young people and their mental health is fragile. This is not a good idea.

[@hustlecrowe9440]

So in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis where being able to make enough money to just get by is extremely difficult, the government is telling adults that they will not be able to work weekends for an entire year, and instead be slave labor. Does anyone really think that 18 year old footballers for Premiere League teams will be doing free labor on weekends instead of playing in matches?

[@hgf4030]

Its absolute rubbish from the tories as usual isn't it

[@abydosianchulac2]

It's one weekend a month for a year, so not as bad but provides laughably less "benefit to society"

[@hgf4030]

@@abydosianchulac2 hang on so if you're a student doing full time a levels, you're in a minimum wage job in a cafe or retail you're meant to be happy that a quarter of the weekends you have a month should be taken up by unpaid labour? How about the boomers who bought a house for 10 grand in the 70's go and volunteer instead

[@abydosianchulac2]

@@hgf4030 Oh definitely not saying it's something to be happy about. I wonder how many people had to talk Sunak down from making it every weekend for a year, though.

[@user-ry4tg1ox6p]

@@abydosianchulac2 it’s just a crap policy targeting out of touch old people. Thankfully we’re finally getting a Labour government

[@lat-roc9733]

Reminds me of a Yes Minister episode with Jim Hacker MP proposing national service

[@jcrosenkreuz5213]

In that case the funding source would have come from scrapping Trident, that accounting made more sense than "a tax avoidance crackdown" !

[@adamleeper8632]

What I don’t like is the sentiment around it, trying to “get young people out of their bubble”

[@bertrandrussell894]

But they are in a bubble. A massive and soft one with few principles worth a damn.

[@ypp0p]

​@@bertrandrussell894 someone is mad their grandchildren dont want to talk to them anymore 🤣

[@ffotograffydd]

@@bertrandrussell894They’re generally more principled than older generations. You’d know that if you came out of your bubble.

[@pastlesandfish]

The ones in a bubble are the millionaires in government supporting this.

[@Mike.Smth2112]

@@bertrandrussell894 someone’s had their bubble popped it seems and is hiding away in the shadows. Are you just going to take another trip to Australia now with your enormous pension fund.

[@DeathInTheSnow]

I want you guys to understand something. The people that are going to vote conservative on July 4th are going to be elderly in majority. That's all they've got left. That's why Sunak's two plans are:- • Make 18yos do national service - the kids today who will be 18 at the time this goes live can't vote against it. They get no say of their own. Furthermore, national service stopped over _sixty years ago._ WW2 ended nearly _eighty years ago._ The people he's targeting never went to war, nor did national service. Remember that, because... • The second big policy is the "triple lock pension". Yes, after starving the elderly, cutting off their heating by not capping bills, and not keeping the NHS in check, he's offering them, _specifically,_ a bone (with no meat on it...) to win them back around and vote against the youth. Both of these go hand in hand. He's playing ages against each other. But please, if you're at the age where looking at these policies and think they're good, trust me, you're ruining what little future you have left. He couldn't get any policy off the ground any easier than he could the planes to Rwanda, but this is the sort of _appealing bluster_ he's known for. There's more bullshit in him then there is a Thames Water river, but we can't even risk him getting a _toenail_ in the door at the election. Vote Labour. At least they bow to public pressure.

[@Ll80972]

I will vote conservative

[@albertmiller2electricbooga897]

If the people who actually have to do the service aren't even voting on it, do they even have a mandate for it? Really feels like damage control from Sunak rather than a vote getter

[@SirBlade666]

One of the reasons military equipment is so rugged is so it will survive user stupidity and even sabotage. Can you imagine the kind of damage people forced to work in healthcare, the police or the fire department can do if they put their mind to it? "Accidently" breaking or losing stuff, forgetting to do things, etc.

[@davidty2006]

Also armies tend to care much about stuff lasting longer than it should. Challenger hulls are over 30 years old now and they are still going. thats longer than the average car.

[@imsoboredhahaha]

You wouldn’t need volunteering service for the police, fire, NHS and social care if these services were not given continuous real term cuts to budget since austerity. You wouldn’t need to force 18 year olds to help look after disabled or elderly people if social care was fully funded and if migration allowed more care workers into the U.K.

[@reheyesd8666]

Migration doesnt solve the issue, baby making solves the issue.

[@grumpy-dad3701]

If you want national service do it yourself. Not sure why 18 year olds will solve this social cohesion problem we apparently have

[@amosonyoutube]

say no to war and conscription. No point dying for rich folks

[@K8yb97]

The £2.5bn figure has long been debunked as ludicrous, it would be significantly more. And it's been several days since they announced that it WOULD be punishable by imprisonment.

[@Idk-ys7rt]

Sunak and Conservatives: This plan will win us the general election!

[@adrianbrown527]

The hell it will.

[@zaleost]

Honestly when I first heard of this policy I started to wonder of Sunak was deliberately trying to throw the election

[@DavidCruickshank]

Can the old and wealthy stop being evil for 5 seconds?

[@coolstuffifound9896]

Honestly the gall of a man to propose abolishing national insurance and then reintroducing national service within 6 months is shocking

[@n00dl3]

It really highlights the difference between the two parties. One wants to send your kids to war, the other wants to give them a voice.

[@fakename45]

and a house

[@Coglio]

Labour will be just as jingoistic just watch

[@reheyesd8666]

Yeah, when labour get in power everyone will realise they are both crap... Hopefully anyways, delusional thinking is common.

[@cotton7960]

Hi Misato

[@daanachmad4032]

For people who support conscription: if you think it is beneficial, why don't you volunteer to do any of those services? Why do you need to be told to?

[@protectandsurvivelivinghis3206]

because the people that support it only support it because they're safe in the knowledge it's something they'll never have to do themselves, basically the only people this policy appeals to are boomers who are LARPing as their parents generation (pretending they did it when the vast majority didn't become adults until the 1970s) who have the Rose-tinted pseudo-nationalist nostalgia for a Britain that never existed outside of chocolate boxes and shows like Heartbeat, basically it's angry elderly racists who just want to punch down.

[@anindyamajumdar4088]

When I was still working 20 years ago , I asked a a young signaller , who used to be in the army , whether 're introducing national service would be a good idea. To my surprise, his reply was "NO" . Taking turning account , what has Sunak been smoking ???

[@Harmful_Logic]

A lot of 18 year olds are in college and work the weekends to live, taking one weekend a month away from them for unpaid work is ridiculous.

[@Worldmisery]

They're basically trying to push younger and poorer people into the army.

[@benjaminhaslam3152]

It’s just such a campaign pledge. If they genuinely thought this was a good idea, they’d have made it a law in one of the past 14 years of them being in power.

[@propertyoflamb4506]

If they want to increase the size and strength of the UK military, it's quite simple: stop cutting the damn defence budget

[@cosmosyn2514]

so much for 🎵Britons never, never, never, will be slaves!🎵

[@Ilya_Sss]

Why is no one promising to solve the housing crisis? It will close all the gaps in voters. Has anyone even considered decreasing annual rates on a mortgage to the 2010s period? How on Earth is it less important than national service? Why are they acting as if we don't have other problems?

[@muirislandjim453]

The worst Government in living memory

[@ypp0p]

Hes hitting thatcher levels

[@yunusgokcen174]

Only Ukaine matters for the tories

[@augustine.o6190]

The worst was the brexit government

[@muirislandjim453]

@@augustine.o6190 Same one

[@mappingshaman5280]

Tbf chamberlain is still in living memory for some people

[@Cypri666]

Nothing spells freedom more than your gov setting mandatory regimes for you

[@jadesmallz]

Have they forgotten 18 yr olds are adults, how could they legally charge their parents for it? This is not the time to be doing this, the young people right now have been through enough changes in recent years and it's not getting any easier for kids, well they probably won't be getting in anyway

[@efzahmed6311]

18 year olds are adults who are responsible for themselves, why should the parents be fined ?

[@PLuMUK54]

My late father benefitted greatly from his National Service. It showed him life outside his abusive family. However, even he believed that the system was a waste of time for the majority. When my father did National Service, the world was a different place. Life after the SWW was hard for many, but in many respects, it's more difficult for the young today. Jobs are harder to get. Many attend university and, because of a lack of support by government who ought to place greater emphasis on education, many of those students have to work at weekends in order to keep their heads above water. What support will they receive? None! Sunak is, as usual, divorced from the reality of life. 18 year olds having to work at weekends? Gosh! Really? Compulsory voluntary work is not voluntary work. It is forced labour! Has Sunak actually asked people if they want these "volunteers" at their organisations? As someone who has worked with volunteers, I can say that it's not easy. You either have to give them mundane tasks that are a waste of their time, or you have to stop your own work to supervise their's. There are also restrictions on what they can do, especially in the NHS and the emergency services. I'm not certain that the army would be too happy with dealing with 30,000 raw squaddies who will require a lot of training. Will this be where much of the funding goes? Just because other countries do something does not make it suitable for all countries. There may be advantages, but Sunak's rather restricted view cannot see them. A missed opportunity that I can see is that university students could have days built into the schedule to enable them to go into schools. As classroom assistants and mentors, they would benefit the next generations. Having worked with students in this way, I know that they usually enjoy their time, and pupils benefit greatly.

[@lprisco]

my experience mentoring young people of that age is that they are using their spare time to get a job and earn money for themselves or their families. Forcibly taking that time away will wreak havoc. I completely agree that university courses need to be brought back down to earth with experience days of the sort. It could help students become progressively more integrated into the career of their choice which is something you get from apprenticeships but with the added HE knowledge needed for certain roles

[@Yutappy99]

Let's see how willing the Leave and Conservative voters will support the idea if mandatory service includes those up to 75 years old. For King and Country, right?

[@alatamore]

“Tell me you are trying to toss the election while not actually telling me you are tossing it…”

[@andypandy9013]

Please keep in mind that National Service finished in the UK in late 1960 when the last National Servicemen (and they were all men) joined. You were taken on at the age of 18 unless your entry was deferred for some reason. Going to University was one. Near the end the date for recruitment was moved back to those born before 1 October 1939 So, the youngest of them still living would have been 20 years of age in 1960. They will now be celebrating their 84th birthday this year, if they are still with us of course. This is why, when I hear anyone under the age of 84 banging on about how great the reintroduction of National Service would be, my reaction is "How the hell would you know? You didn't go through it!". Rant over!!!

[@mm-yt8sf]

fined...or buy your way out/the cost of doing business

[@I.have.no.name.ideas.]

The fine is just so that the rich politicians putting the policy there don’t have to actually send their own kids because they can afford to pay the fine. While fully aware that most can’t. It wont affect their kids so what do they care

[@ozyozb]

I'm a British citizen, but I was born in Turkey, where I did 15 months of national service in the army so, I'm discussing this subject with reasonable experience. National service is compulsory and was an absolute waste of time; I still feel that those 15 months were stolen from my life. Some people love it, especially nationalists, which I don't have any problem with; if they like it, they can do it. Anyway, the Tories are coming up with more nonsense. I think they are testing the limit of how much more people could hate them.

[@ZainHoda]

This is literally from an episode of Yes Prime Minister

[@meri7108]

"We won't imprison you for failing to complete national service, but we might fine you." "... and if I don't pay the fine?"

[@DeFi-Macrodosing]

This is a great reason not to vote him in: WTF was he thinking? 🤔

[@ajdynon]

Did the party have an opinion poll done, and it seemed all the voters were in favor of bringing back national service? In that case, have another opinion poll done showing the voters are against bringing back national service. (With apologies to Yes, Minister)

[@emmadaley2761]

Thank you so much for this video. I couldn't find an article anywhere that gave a clear explanation for this.

[@sunjayroy312]

I always assume that "no plans" now means "planning to be introduced with immediate effect".

[@craigroaring]

Mandatory military service should be illegal.

[@rafaelmartinvannostrand2084]

The whole thing is not even half cooked: - What happens if someone rejects to do any of those? - Who is going to be punished? The 18 year old or the parents? - How much are they're going to get paid? What kind of training are they going to receive? And on and on and on. This is just something to try not to lose so many votes and do damage control on this election. And I feel like more non sense like these is coming. Just headlines to keep hard right wing people engaged to the Tories