Threat to Macron? The Left's New Alliance Explained - TLDR News

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Following Macron's win in the Presidential election, France's Left-Wing Parties have formed an alliance to try and revive their electoral fortunes in the legislative election. But what are they trying to achieve? And are they really a threat to Macron?
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[@juanmillaruelo7647]

France is one of the very few countries where this kind of pre-electoral alliance has proven very effective in the past. I would not dismiss their chances outright.

[@alanyearsley9731]

And along with the UK, France is also one of only a very small number of European countries that doesn't use a form of proportional representation. France uses the two-round system both for parliamentary and for presidential elections. I believe that France did briefly experiment with PR for parliamentary elections for a short while in the 1980s but soon reverted to the time-honoured two-round system. I would say that a 6th Republic ought to include switching to PR, though: probably Single Transferable Vote for presidential elections and STV or Additional Member/Mixed Member Proportional for parliamentary elections.

[@RalfAnodin]

@@alanyearsley9731 France also uses majority voting system for absolutely every kind of election, including regional, municipal… it’s a real plague! It’s worth adding though that the PR system which was used between 1944 and 1958 (which was very similar to the current Spanish electoral system, that is to say not the greatest) was dropped during the Algerian war, after a government coalition would have given Algeria independence, and the French army made a coup (called the “May 1958 crisis”) and imposed the return of Charles de Gaulle to power, who changed the constitution and the voting system, effectively kicking out the pro-Algerian independence communists out of the Parliament. This is still a very embarrassing and taboo topic in France, as it deeply undermines the legitimacy of the 5th Republic and most of our current institutions. For years after 1958, there has been considerable propaganda to undermine proportional representation and explain that it produced a governmental instability that was the reason why the 4th republic collapsed. This idea is still entrenched in many of my older fellow Frenchmen and is even influential in Quebec where the same ideas are common.

[@richiedockery]

As an American, European politics is always fascinating to watch; it's like attending a circus but I'm also a clown

[@cormoranuud]

You got Biden elected. So why would look for lesser clowns over the Atlantic?

[@salentino]

I think most Europeans feel the same way looking towards the USA 😀

[@slothking783]

Meanwhile us in Australia 🇦🇺 are just posting news in other countries cause there nothing going on in our own country

[@paulluka2029]

@@slothking783 to be fair there's still that mini war with China and the Solomon Islands thing😏

[@slothking783]

@@paulluka2029 lol I think that was 2013 😂

[@adamborsalino5323]

4:32 little mistake here, Edouard Balladur the Prime Minister during the 93-95 cohabitation was a member of the gaullist RPR and not of the centrist UDF even if they were part of his government

[@sailingteam1minecraft124]

As a french I can say that although making simplist statements (for example, the communists in France are not really considered far left but radical left, or macron being recognized by almost everyone as center-right more then center) this video describes very well the current situation and stakes of the upcoming election. Congratulations on this video !

[@maten146]

No Macron is center-left actually He is a social democrat

[@sailingteam1minecraft124]

@@maten146 how

[@maten146]

@@sailingteam1minecraft124 He comes from a socialist party (PS) where he has done all his career. Most of his ministers and secretary of states come from this party as well. Most of his electors comes from this party as well or at least most of the former elector of the socialist party nowadays vote for Macron. He has done a politics that lean to the left ( the quoi qu'il en coûte for instance that makes him the president that have the most used the money of the state and have the most used state interventionism), he has created a haut commissaire du plan which we only see in communist country. ...

[@sailingteam1minecraft124]

@@maten146 the PS has a right-wing and Macron is so right-wing that even if he could’ve stayed in the PS’s right he created his own party En Marche. In the municipal elections he’s only made electoral alliances with the conservatives LR and none with the PS and further left. He rose the age of retirement and now wants to raise it to 65, removed the tax on high fortunes ISF and did almost nothing for the climate. His ministers use the vocabulary from the far right (muslimoleftist, etc.). The rare reforms that appear social are only here to appear as if he was left-wing.

[@steveripethefustercluck.]

I love that this was unbiased and just explained things to me for the most part and did not really say anyone was bad or good. You don't find a lot of video's like this.

[@punchingkwan3052]

how would this be unbiased, always demonizing the far right, but not the far left, as he used the word hard left🙄, is always a tactic of leftist all over the world, in us they destroy trump, in uk the destroy Johnson, enough is enough. G the left.

[@AugustERaven]

Yeah, TLDR news is amazing, the day that they claim someone is plainly "bad" is when you know things are really really really bad with the world.

[@steveripethefustercluck.]

@@punchingkwan3052 I did say for the most part because although I did pick up on his wording he did not really pick a side here. All he really did was explain the conflict between the central libertarian and the left coalition or union and what they wanted to archive.

[@croixfadas]

the fact that you think its unbias, show that you don't understand politics, its imposible to not be bias talking politics, TLDR news is a liberal with liberal bias.

[@AugustERaven]

@@croixfadas Huh? They report factual, timely information, without interjecting their own opions, loaded language, and don't imply anything to lead the viewer.

[@psych0Dad]

The video is great and explains really clearly what's happening. I noticed two small inaccuracies but they were really minor: - wrong party logo for the prime minister in the 93-95 cohabitation - it's not candidates with 12.5% of the votes who get to move on to the second round. It's candidates who get more than 12.5% of the registered voters to vote for them. As turnout decreases they need a higher share of the vote to move on.

[@pietroimbert2611]

The fun fact about cohabitation is that the leader of the opposition is the president himself

[@MrJuanmarin99]

Ah. Like in North Korea :p

[@mxmlnlcdcdffmnt2232]

No, at most he would be prime minister and that doesn't really matter considering how much more powerfull the president is (we are talking presideantial monarchy here)

[@ekx5120]

Literally what I grew up to believe while Chirac and Jospin were PMs

[@cyrus7511]

@@ekx5120 No, Prime minister leads the policy of the nation, so he would make his government and the president would mainly keep a symbolic and diplomatic role

[@ArturoSubutex]

@@mxmlnlcdcdffmnt2232 No, under the French Fifth, the Prime Minister actually has more powers, constitutionally, de jure, than the President. The President is only de facto more powerful bc parliamentary elections take place right after the presidential election, hence coat tail effect and electoral fatigue create this optic illusion. But when the President's party doesn't dominate the Parliament, he's quite powerless

[@theuglykwan]

Can the UK left please form an electoral alliance for the next general election?

[@marioluigi455]

The left shouldn’t extist…

[@furiousswan]

I doubt we'll get a pact but the next election will probably see a rise in tactical voting in the left

[@unnamedhero7543]

The UK doesn't have a real left ever since Starmer came and Corbynn Left.

[@xelthiavice4276]

the last thing the Uk needs is more left wing govs.....

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@unnamedhero7543 I mean, the Corbynite Labor is in a political alliance with Boris Johnson so, there is technically a left wing government… sort of.

[@Argentinaporsi45]

Good luck Jean-Luc! I hope you perform well and stop the never seen before neoliberal reforms for the disadvantage of the many.

[@samrevlej9331]

4:31 The second cohabitation PM, Édouard Balladur, was also from the RPR, not the UDF.

[@psych0Dad]

A lot of people make that mistake because in 1995 Balladur ran for president, despite his party, the RPR already having a candidate (Jacques Chirac). The UDF didn't have a candidate of its own and supported Balladur so people remember him as the UDF candidate. But you're right, he was a card carrying member of the RPR.

[@IKEMENOsakaman]

5 month ago, this same channel uploaded a video titled "Why France has no Left Wing (with any hope of winning)"! Times sure change fast 😂😂

[@toyotaprius79]

Plus le change plus la meme chose

[@fhujf]

And that's exactly why they are mounting this coalition. It's their last stand against perpetual irrelevance.

[@leoperez6737]

Lmao it's France what did you expect?

[@elephantman2112]

To be fair.... I doubt many people saw this coming 5 months ago.

[@ludovicartu4239]

@@elephantman2112 french leftists saw it because the same thing happened in 2017, but they are not the one writing the articles. In fact most of the media were actively opposing them. It also proves once again that polls month before elections are irrelevant snapshots that doesn't take momentum into account.

[@MichaelRogerStDenis]

I only just learned of your channel - I absolutely love it.

[@orleans7878]

The Left in UK, Australia, Sweden & a few other countries should take note, with their elections comming up. Unification of ideologies are key.

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

looks like the two-party system inevitable, when push comes to shove

[@orleans7878]

@@TheAmericanPrometheus Perhaps, or they can just have something like ranked choice voting, universal. So the different parties of similar ideologies can share voters.

[@theuglykwan]

AUS already uses RCV for both chambers. For the lower house it is single member districts and the upper house it is multimember. An alliance might help the lower house but is it necessary in the upper? Sweden uses party list with multi-member districts. Is an alliance necessary as the vote quite closely mirrors the seats they get. It would be useful for the UK but our next election could be as late as 2025. I hope the left in the UK do it, win and change the voting system to PR. I know they will probably only shift to ranked choice with single member districts at most because they are dumb.

[@Arcaryon]

@@TheAmericanPrometheus That depends entirely on your national election systems.

[@Aygo84]

Unification of ideologies... Like in fascism, all in one? Is that what you mean? Or in two-party systems where you can only choose the lesser evil?

[@gnaskar]

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[@mtk77621]

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[@mtk77621]

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[@sonicmeerkat]

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[@VaradMahashabde]

That sixth republic stuff sounds pretty important

[@tybes99]

When are British parties going to realise they need to come together and make a new alliance to make the right kind of change instead of constantly trying to people please for votes.

[@marci_moon]

When are Polish going to support left-wing parties and stop being homogeneously liberal/right-wing? XD

[@tybes99]

@@marci_moon hitting me right in the based bone

[@Nasrudith]

Never, because you can't make the right kind of change if you don't please people for votes.

[@tybes99]

@@Nasrudith by that I didn't mean listening to the people of local constituencies and making policy from what you hear is an issue to the people of this country. That's how you're supposed to do it. Instead, what we have is a tory party grasping for votes so they fight to appease those who shout the loudest because they think they account for the majority when in reality its a small portion of their initial voter base, never mind the general populous. Don't even get me started on kier starmer. He's scared to lose votes so doesn't want to be anything resembling left wing but still has social policies to keep lefties they have but he's also desperate to pick up any ex Conservative right wingers by people pleasing at any opportunity. That's what I meant.

[@stadtrepublikmulhausen4121]

@@marci_mooni am not polish nor do i know anything about polish politicics but maybe it's a consequence of the fall of communism which created a right-wing backlash in society and defiance toward socialism....

[@hf8190]

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[@dairebulson7122]

Lol

[@Aygo84]

«The far-left Communists»... The PCF is not far-left since the 1970s (at least!), namely since they decided to support Mitterand's first presidential majority (who obviously then flirted the centre). Even inside the GUE/NGL group in the European Parliament, they're seen as not quite different from the PS in many aspects.

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

They are not batshit crazy far left, but they are far left none the less. Defintely not a centre left / social democrat party.

[@ekx5120]

Laughs in Fabien Roussel

[@MrMillefail]

They aren't far left at all. They are at most in the radical left with LFI, quite far from the revolutionnary left like the NPA, and even further from the far left like LJG and other, very confidential groups (if you wonder how some black blocks move and fight that well, look no further). I understand why anticapitalist/revolutionnary groups are called far-left, because political history is meaningless and political culture is at an all time low, but calling proponents of mixed economy far-left is one or two bridges too far.

[@Aygo84]

And if PCF is far-left then... What is the Lutte Ouvrière or the Nouveau Parti Anticapitalist? Extra-solar planets?

[@pacotaco1246]

Yeah, they are basically moderate left at most, centre left at least

[@Marquez-nr1uq]

Thank you for this great video. I couldn't help but notice there were a few mistakes though: Around 2:44, the logo you used for the Greens does not exist in France. Also you said the French Communist Party was a far-left party, which is clearly not the case since at least the 1990s. It is now more of a left-wing party. However, the NPA is a far-left party and it almost made it to the NUPES before saying they couldn't be in an alliance along with the Socialist Party. At 4:31 you put the logo of the UDF for the second cohabitation, but PM Balladur was a member of the RPR. Also I think it would have been interesting if you had added a historical look, because everything this left-wing alliance has agreed upon is more or less what the left-wing parties have already done in the past (with the "plural left-wing" choosing to disobey some EU rules under Socialist PM Jospin or with the 1974 alliance led by Socialist candidate Mitterrand planning to dismantle NATO). :)

[@Ryan_Alwi]

>communist >not far left Pick one buddy

[@FlippFloppp]

@@Ryan_Alwi a name or label doesn’t exactly dictate actual standing. They can say they’re communist but not really be that far left. Like CPUSA (communist party US), they call themselves communists but it’s mainly just progressive liberals who wants to stand out.

[@FlippFloppp]

@@Ryan_Alwi also “far left” encapsulates many ideologies/branches of socialism, isn’t always strictly communism.

[@kenoucrer668]

french communiste are considered far left by the vast majority of french people tho

[@Ryan_Alwi]

@@FlippFloppp why would they call themselves communist if they do not commit to an ideology at least sort of like communism? Communism has a bad connotation to it, so I feel as though the only reason they'd call themselves that is if they really are a communist party because otherwise it would just hurt them electorally by misrepresenting what they actually stand for, no?

[@07815521545]

Lower retirement age?! With an ageing population, how are they going to do that?

[@MrFancyDragon]

I genuinely don’t know I was gonna say something but then I realized I don’t know how France or europe works

[@user-gn6wz9fe1c]

They would have my vote, my retirement age is older than the average life expectancy of someone like me

[@07815521545]

@@user-gn6wz9fe1c I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice, just it's not workable. Society now is already a pyramid scheme going wrong with the young and working paying for the old. That worked relatively well when people did not regularly live into their 90s. Now, with more and more old people, living longer than they had before, without a commensurate increase in working people (as is happening), is placing an ever increasing burden on those working that currently is being papered over by large scale immigration. In effect, we're kicking the can down the road until we can find a solution to this. What the proposal would do is to make the working population even smaller and the retired population even larger. It's not workable.

[@oliverbennett6160]

Higher automation, taxing businesses and the wealthy more to fund social programs, higher wages during the time you work to cut the need for additional benefits. That's 3 ways that would allow lower retirement ages from the top of my head. It's by no means easy to do but it's definately possible with an alteration to the economy and he plans to change it alot

[@Brunjolf]

Their program is entirely written down with the planned finances open to the public if you want to find out. Don't know if there's an English version though

[@samueltrusik3251]

I... think I will just sit down and watch.

[@bradisboss8210]

Just some info if anyone is interested : In france, there was a constitutional referundum that changed the mandate of the president from 7 years to 5 in 2000. Before this reform, France had legislative elections in the middle of the term of the president. That's why cohabitation happened sometimes. However now, the legislative and presidential elections are only a few months apart, so its a lot less likely that the electorate changes that much between both elections. Add to that the fact france uses majoritarian representation, means that unless Melenchon is able to get an outright obvious majority, he will get little results. Plus, the president has the power to dissolve parliament, so macron might just use that if Melenchon ever does get the majority. This is one of the reasons why Abstention is very high in france for legislative elections, because it can seem like a confirmation of the presidential elections. However, even if macron is likely to get a majority, he might just get a relative majority, meaning he will have to form a coalition with other parties, which is probably the best the french left can hope for.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

I don't really see how dissolving the parliament would help Macron; It wont really change how people vote.

[@theuglykwan]

Why did they not hold both the presidential and legislative elections on the same day?

[@bradisboss8210]

​@@delfinenteddyson9865 You're right However, in the hypothetical situation that Melenchon gets the majority and macron dissolves parliament, it might incite the right wing french electorate (which is in the majority), to mobilize, participate in the legislative elections and not abstain, as they now know Melenchon becoming pm is a real threat. At this point it's more speculation than anything, but I feel like it does reinforce the uncertainty of Jean luc melenchon being able to get the parliamentary majority.

[@bradisboss8210]

@@theuglykwan I think it's to give time to the legislative candidates to campagin in their local circonscriptions. Since the presidential elections is so mediatised, it might deafen the legislative campagin

[@milantoth6246]

@@delfinenteddyson9865 If he was to wait a few months, and try/act like he tried to form a coalition with the left, he would be able to claim "I did my best, I offered the inclusion of several of their policies in our government goals, but they kept refusing me. Vote them out" And if that were to happen, he wouldn't be wrong to say so. But right after the election, I find that very unlikely.

[@Jack-ci5gh]

can you guys do a video about every communsit parties in europe because i never knew that there is communist parties until this video and in my country (hungary) the communist party basicly does not exist Thank you if you do (sorry for my bad english)

[@samrevlej9331]

In Western European countries like France and Italy, communist parties were very powerful up until the 1970s because they were seen as having fought in the Resistance and basked in the USSR's reputation as the winner of the war. Then, de-industrialisation, growing anti-communism in the West (due to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago" being published in France and the violence of the far-left Red Brigades in Italy) and a trend toward socialist/social-democratic parties sapped away their electorate. They still exist, including in Spain where they were seen as a party of resistance against Francoism, like the Socialists, but the fall of the USSR condemned them to irrelevance.

[@SianaGearz]

Mind you the communist parties are such generally in name only. Look at Party of the European Left, member parties generally have extremely similar programmes. The by far most powerful of these is currently the one in Greece!

[@frankcl1]

The French party called "communist party" has a long and complicated history, but they are not communist anymore, they just kept their former name. They are socialist reformist (like the French socialist party used to be, but nowadays became liberal). There are, however, multiple communist parties in France : the most famous two are the Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste (member of the Fourth international, founded by Trotsky) and Lutte Ouvrière (member of the Internationalist Communist Union, which tries to replicate the Russian revolution). Usually, none of them gets more than 2% of the votes though. I think it's more or less the same with the worker's party in Hungary, but I might be wrong. I believe every communist party in Europe collapsed after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

[@milantoth6246]

As another Hungarian, why should they? Communist parties are thankfully almost completely dead. Their 1-2% voteshare doesnt make a difference 99% of the time (look at what the "leftist unity" got in the 2022 Hungarian general elections) and they are nothing more than a dangerous fringe.

[@Jack-ci5gh]

@@milantoth6246you know what I agree

[@superyamky]

Imagine if the French are gonna end another Republic and create the 6th French Republic because of this

[@theemperor-wh40k18]

Unlikely.

[@josjos2203]

Well France did make another republic only cause De Gaulle wanted to

[@marioluigi455]

@@josjos2203 But de gaulle was a legend in france and he was liked by most. Something this clowns dont deserve…

[@OliFunWorld]

i mean you do understand constitutions aren't a religious book and should be changed, when the 5TH republic was instaured most of france was rural women could'nt work without authorisation of their husbands, the cold war was going on and most people had never heard the word computer, it must be updated, people want and deserve more direct power. It is no longer the same country and it must evolve. Vive la 6eme

[@RalfAnodin]

@@josjos2203 “Only because De Gaulle wanted it” is a little short. I would rather say that the army wanted to, they made a coup, forced De Gaulle back to power and got a system that excluded the communist party and all the forces that were for the Algerian independence. So the Army and the other forces that wanted Algeria to stay French forced the new constitution, not fully De Gaulle.

[@Cancoillotteman]

To make it to the second round in these elections you need 12,5% of local voters, not votes * Which means with a likely major abstention rate, it will actually be pretty hard for candidates to reach the second round

[@noefillon1749]

The abstention are not counted in this percentage. By 12.5% they mean 12.5% of the actual votes, the ones that really designate a candidate ("12.5% des suffrages exprimés")

[@Cancoillotteman]

@@noefillon1749 That's the thing for legislatives, I may be wrong but I do think it's actually 12,5% of registered voters, not of votes (des inscrits pas des des exprimés). I gotta check though

[@noefillon1749]

@@Cancoillotteman That would be surprising but I don't really know. If you specifically say that, I can believe you.

[@Cancoillotteman]

@@noefillon1749 So it is almost as i said : it's actually either the first 2 candidates or all candidates who managed to agregate more than 12.5% of registered electors Here is a copy-paste of the official text from the government website for the Ministery of Territorial Cohesion : "Seuls certains candidats peuvent se présenter au 2d tour : Les 2 candidats qui sont arrivés en tête Les candidats suivants, à condition d'avoir obtenu un nombre de voix au moins égal à 12,5 % du nombre des électeurs inscrits."

[@freewal]

Zacharie is right. Noé is wrong.

[@EmsiYTs]

Ah! Jack is back! With his best french election video ever too!

[@ifer1280]

It is a pretty sweet logo!

[@m.m9769]

Now this is a title i have not expected

[@lachuteero]

I would just like to add a bit of nuance to those pollings because they are nationwide whereas the vote is in each "circonscription" so what actually matters is how many circonscription the NUPES can win and thus try to form a majority

[@varzen8396]

Even if they don't get a majority (which will likely be the case) it will greatly increase the number of leftist MPs And having around 60/577 leftwing MPs like right now or way more will force Macron to adapt

[@lyampetit144]

@@jacobite2353 Mélenchon said we wouldn't be candidate anymore

[@MDP1702]

@@jacobite2353 Isn't the french presidency limited to 2 consecutive turns? Thus Macron can't participate in 2028.

[@french907]

Just a small correction as a French The French presidency has a five year term limit so it will be in 2027 not 2028

[@Lwena]

Yes, even if they don't "win" with a majority, the more MPs they get, the less power Macron will have to do whatever he wants.

[@aidancollins1591]

Let's hope these populists don't get a majority. The left in France needs to be punished for their adoption of populist rhetoric, anti-EU, and anti-NATO stances. As a lefty, it pains me to see it.

[@zyanego3170]

I hope our Comrades succed.

[@zyanego3170]

@Kox Sharbuza Seems like you're mentally stuck in the Cold War.

[@NooobLP]

calling Macron "center" seems to me as if someone called Lindner (FDP) a representative of the center. Despite what british culture may teach you, neo-liberalism is distinctly different from centrism.

[@Noctem_pasa]

It’s center right, close enough

[@ernstschmidt4725]

how so? if you look spatially liberal parties sit between conservatives and leftists.

[@jonathanodude6660]

british or american?

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

Centrist by French standards, probably

[@enider]

@@ernstschmidt4725 yes, but they are still rightwing. Just because something is in-between two other things does not mean that it is in the center between them. That is not even to mention how a strictly left-right political axis is pretty reductionist and useless for pretty much all political discourse.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Sounds uncomfortably close to a "2 party system."

[@axel6269]

Not really, the left-wing union will collapse as soon as the elections are done. It'll already be impressive enough if it maintains course for the coming month.

[@augth]

Used to be but now it’s more like a one party system in practice. Only Macron has any chance of power.

[@tranchedecake3897]

France: Oh, we'll probably have a cohabitation for 5 years!!! Ooh, that's really rare, only the second time in the fifth republic!!!! Germany enters the chat

[@akaviri5]

A cohabitation is quite different from a coalition. Essentially a single party has an absolute majority but has to deal with an opposition president(which holds more power than in the USA or Germany)

[@ekx5120]

Belgium: third time?

[@battery1707]

Wow the left actually being able to cooperate, that's nice for a change

[@pablodelsegundo9502]

That's how it looks...for now. They'll be at each other's throats soon enough.

[@redab2169]

Don't be too hasty it's going to disintegrate in no more than a month.

[@battery1707]

@@redab2169 I mean yeah most likely but at least we've gotten a brief moment of a ceasefire in infighting

[@redab2169]

@@battery1707 are you sure ? Check how many dissidents there are already. The PS alone counts 70+, not even talking about those who are quitting/creating their own movement. Roussel is already saying some Mélenchon candidates shouldn't be presented and who heard or seen Jadot ever since ?

[@battery1707]

@@redab2169 oh well shit there it goes ig

[@mytorment]

ALL POLITICS ARE RIGHT WING!!!

[@davidmaroney7967]

Urgh, hope they get nowhere.

[@Edliren]

8:08 : 12.5% of the electorate, not of the vote. So abstention needs to be taken into account.

[@tomasroque3338]

SP-EM-LR coalition when?

[@TorenDP]

The logo of the green party is not up to date

[@NoJusticeMTG]

Based Melenchon

[@Thats_quite_cool]

Yeah, very based such a far-left anti-EU conspiracy theorist whose policies would economically destroy France

[@NoJusticeMTG]

@@Thats_quite_cool OK boomer

[@vulcanmemes9770]

Yeah actively calling to lower the retirement age is based, clueless zoomer

[@antoineaublin3812]

@@vulcanmemes9770 yes it is, go put your diaper on now grandpa

[@pietroimbert2611]

quick error at 8:08 for the candidates to go into the second round, you don't ned 12.5% of the votes but 12.5% of the people registered on electoral lists

[@paupsa7712]

Can I ask what the difference between the two is?

[@pietroimbert2611]

​@@paupsa7712 Well it's the exact same thing as long as the electoral turnout is 100%, however if there's abstentionism (which is always present especially nowadays) those 2 percentages vary

[@AJos17]

@@paupsa7712 It means that we count all people even those who don't vote.

[@Lyendith]

@@paupsa7712 Let’s say there are a 1000 registered voters in the constituency, 12.5% means that you need at least 125 votes to qualify for the second round. That number is fixed. So if, say, only half of those 1000 people turn out to vote, then that means you’d need 25% of the expressed votes to reach the 125 threshold.

[@WeiTongTang]

Pinterest have a political party?

[@haruruben]

One of these logos looks an awful lot like the Pinterest logo… not sure who came first

[@samrevlej9331]

Mélenchon's party, France Unbowed ("La France insoumise"). And it's the Greek letter "φ" ("Phi"), which is a symbol of philosophy and generally represents the "f" sound.

[@Duck-wc9de]

I think that French left parties should check what happened to the junior partners in the portuguese "geringonça". As soon as PS (portuguese socialist party) ditched them, they lost 75% of their seats.

[@Just19919]

the socialist party in france is not that strong

[@ludovicartu4239]

It's not like they have a choice. LFI did 22% in the presidential election, the PS did 1,72%.

[@Duck-wc9de]

@@Just19919 the party of Melenchon would be the portuguese socialists in this comparation. Not the French PS

[@Running_Colours]

that's not exactly the same thing, as the PS, though now a disaster nationally, still has a strong voter base in regional and local elections. it's similar to les républicains basically

[@hassanharchich2046]

Well same think was said about the plural left (Socialits, Greens, Communists) in 1997 after Chirac dissolved the National Assembly, nobody was seeing them having the majority -> they won and governed France (with Mélenchon as minister at the time)

[@marci_moon]

Let’s gooo!

[@Leebpascal1]

8:04 Nope, that's 12,5 % of the registered. That's why a high abstention limits greatly the chances of a triangular

[@mathieuleader8601]

I like this electoral coalitions policy

[@paocut9018]

Honestly, if it weren't for the euroscepticisme, I would vote for them. But I am extremely pro EU so I won't. Also, I don't really like Melonchon's populism either. I'm not a fan of Macron's internal policies but I am a huge fan of his pro-eu stance.

[@laMoria]

the europe-green party isn't pro-EU ? Weird xD

[@tomgibson6801]

eu isn't the only issue though and Melenchon has a point that the European union promotes some truly awful policies like austerity

[@ten_tego_teges]

And he's an apologist for Putin. Not a good moment for that.

[@laMoria]

@@ten_tego_teges the green and socialists are pro putin. We are certainly not following the same news

[@danielwebb8402]

So EU supersedes domestic policies for you? Fair enough. Suggests the reach of the EU powers is > 51% of your day to day life. Which isn't the story many pro EU people admit.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

A shift to a full parliamentary system seems ripe.

[@Lapantouflemagic0]

and end up like belgium with no functionning government for months at a time ? sure we could use some more collegial decision-making, but only if there is some backup when shit hits the fan.

[@Emanon...]

There are other countries with a parliamentary system that function very well, you know? Belgium is a country literally divided. That's why Belgium is so screwed.

[@dairebulson7122]

@@Emanon... Belgium should just be dissolved...

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

The irony of seeing someone called Napoleon Bonaparte advocating a shift from a presidential to a parliamentary system is absolutely delicious.

[@Emanon...]

@@dairebulson7122 No argument there. It's one of the most "artificial" nationhoods we have around. But if we're redrawing the map, might I kindly suggest to remove all the microstate tax scum havens to boot? I for one wouldn't miss a Europe without Monaco, Malta or Luxembourg (as states, of course)...

[@AutisticCumsock]

An ad for ads? Nah I think Im good

[@alanyearsley9731]

How about doing a video about Macron's suggestion for a new European community type organisation that could sit alongside the EU and include non-EU countries such as the UK and Ukraine?

[@NelsonPalisNiermann]

Sorry to be that guy but the logo of the french Greens is not the one on screen

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

The Nupes? Sounds like the title of a new comedy show.

[@Arthishow]

A rather accurate first insight into the current movement. Except the qualification of "hard left" which is part of Macron's Propaganda : NUPES program is actually less progressist than François Mitterrand's on the 1981 election. Mitterrand was known as a social democrat.

[@iustinvreme8464]

It's a mistake to make coalitions for legislative if you have two of the top 5 parties - better coalesce after the election; for presidential is different!

[@theuglykwan]

Don't they use 2 rounds for the legislative elections? So it might make sense to not vote split even in the first round of some races so that at least one can make it to the second. That saves them gambling.

[@iustinvreme8464]

@@theuglykwan the people make their minds before the elections, so a Melenchon voter doesn't automatically votes for Hidalgo (in fact, none of them got to the finals because of this), so focusing your option is a good idea. on the other hand, for legislative elections, the opposite phenomena appear - the fear from the opposition that the new bloc is too strong, the complacency of the voters, of whom some don't agree with the union etc. the presidential elections make necessary a concentration strategy, the legislative scrutiny doesn't, or it even makes it risky. what is sometimes necessary is a national pact - if one or some of the players are a danger, anyone else regroups around common objectives. probabilistically, having four candidates is better than having one when simply the bigger one will win, since each one comes with its appeal and assets - and it's even better for coalitions in the second tour, making surer the victory! so they could simply promise to ally after elections instead of diminishing their own chances now. So the best would be to run separately, but making sure their allegiances, and have some informal agreements or make some promises to the republicans and others (depending on the public impact, publicly or discreetly). i know what you say - hod this differs from the presidentials - it does because it repeats for much more times instead of once - it's not like another presidential election, it's like 600 others, each with its own logic instead of the classical not le pen or else dilemma.

[@charlesdaloz2547]

I somehow read the whole fucking comment section what is wrong with me

[@williamshortfilm5818]

4:33 Its the wrong party for the cohabitation of 1993-95. Edouard Balladur's party was the RPR (conservatives), and not the UDF (liberals and christian democrats)

[@DrSpooglemon]

We need this in the UK.

[@orleans7878]

Hear, hear.

[@flyingpharoah4867]

You don’t want our garbage system, which is somehow worse than your own.

[@orleans7878]

@@flyingpharoah4867 I'm pretty sure he means like.... cooperation between parties, not a whole system.

[@theuglykwan]

We need an electoral alliance on the left although I don't have that much faith in it. Then they need to change the voting system to STV (ranked choice / alternative vote with multi-member districts). That way they can secure themselves going forward and stop plurality parties getting a majority of seats. That would at least help moderate governments since it isn't likely any single party could rule alone. My fear is they win and at best they only change to ranked choice / alternative vote without multi-member districts. So the effect is only marginal. Then the left is locked out of power for another decade. I'd almost expect this self sabotage from the left.

[@DrSpooglemon]

@@theuglykwan We need to get rid of the Labour party. They are totally co-opted by the establishment at this stage. I have no faith in them whatsoever. We need something that can appeal to left wing voters the way Corbyn did and to encourage young people to get involved. Maybe the Labour party can be saved but I don't have any faith in it. I'm lucky enough to be in Scotland so I can hold out for independence. We have a better voting system in the Scottish parliament. Westminster needs a complete overhaul.

[@TheKatiokung]

Worker-wise say hello

[@97Corvi]

French people: Is It an impression of mine or do you have to vote a lot between prime miniter and president ? 😅

[@pietroimbert2611]

Nah we just like democracy ;)

[@Lapantouflemagic0]

nah, it's just how the process is made : two rounds for the president, then two rounds for the parliament. sure four votes in a couple of month seem a lot, but after that it settles down.

[@guillaumemasclet9315]

We dont vote for the 1 minister, the pres choses him, but melanchon is a deluded old powerhungry fuck and thinks he could still get to power if he wins the assembly. But that wont happen. Nobody wants him

[@honkler5974]

@@pietroimbert2611 so much so theres a revolution every couple of generations.

[@pietroimbert2611]

@@honkler5974 Actually there hasn't been any for 150 years now that I think about it

[@mostfire8764]

Why doesn't he call the collation far left , he himself said it Jean Juc mMelenchon is far left , he called the far right ,but refuse to say their is far left on the opposite spectrum , generalized it to The left which make it same moderate.

[@Just19919]

The socialist party and Greens are center-left

[@mostfire8764]

@@Just19919 exactly , isn't socialist party left , and social democrats center left

[@beepoboopo546]

Socialist Party are centre left bordering on centrist and Greens are centre left, it's a broad left coalition, Melenchon himself isn't quite far-left, he's left-wing .

[@charlesdaloz2547]

The socialist party officially abandoned socialism decades ago. The official line of the party is social-democracy but in practice they do centrist neo-liberalism The reason they didn't call the alliance far-left it's because it's not far-left at all. The far-left parties such as NPA and LO are not in the coalition while the centrist PS is

[@jrko0]

Sozilastischer Einheitsbrei

[@Wiki8Will]

Imma get that tab for a cause.

[@randomchance7796]

Who is Tab For a Cause selling data to?

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

So, there is hope still in France.

[@picardas1638]

for what? shitty left wing politics?

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

@@picardas1638 So you prefer either shitty neoliberalism or shitty nazism?

[@picardas1638]

@@torbjornlekberg7756 ah yes, the three political positions, left wing, nazism and neo liberalism, a term that has lost any meaning and now means different things depending on who says it

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

@@picardas1638 We are talking about the election in current day France. These are the three political philosophies in play. Saying that neolibaralism, or nazism, have lost its meaning is to either be ignorant of the meaning, or an attempt to relativize the criticism away.

[@picardas1638]

@@torbjornlekberg7756 le pene is nowhere near a nazi, and I've hear countless definitions of neoliberalism, the word doesn't mean anything anymore, le pene is right wing populist, she's not a nazi neither in economic, or social standards

[@avantelvsitania3359]

French Left: abolish the Monarchy!! Everyone: But France is not even a Monarchy anymo... French Left: *ABOLISH THE MONARCHY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

[@axel6269]

The fifth republic has an extremely strong executive branch, which means the French president has more power over France than the American president has over the US. That's why they talk of "monarchy". It concentrates most of the power between the hands of a single individual. They want a more parliamentary system.

[@Charles25192]

When the president has the majority in the parliament he can do whatever he wants to. All the power in the hands of à sole person. A monarchy

[@jornzwaagstra1150]

What 5 republics wasnt enough?

[@Charles25192]

When the political regime is obsolete, you change for another

[@Judah132]

France could easily be a 3-Party-State at this point : - Great Left Alliance - Great Liberal Alliance - Great Right Alliance

[@jacobite2353]

Honestly that's quite good and healthy

[@pietroimbert2611]

More like : - Far/Extreme Left (anti-Europe) - Extreme Liberal (pro-Europe) - Far/Extreme Right (anti-Europe)

[@mrworldwide7387]

I don't think that's how it'll turn out, there's a 2 terms limit on the presidency so in 2027 Macron will have to retire from the front stage. Without him, even if his party doesn't collapse, it will get much weaker and that could be an opportunity for the Socialists and Republicans

[@pietroimbert2611]

@@mrworldwide7387 that really depends on multiple factors like : - how many are going to defect from Les Républicains and le parti Socialiste - Will a clear successor in the center/center-right political spectrum emerge

[@beepoboopo546]

@@pietroimbert2611 Greens and Socialists are staunchly pro-EU so it's more of a soft Eurosceptic left

[@jonrolfson1686]

Anarcho-cynicalism: Arise!!! The hour has come!!!

[@robertjarman3703]

Left wing politics, a rich history. Yes, they do have a focus on richness.

[@paptapto22]

Bit late for the left to come together 🙄

[@augth]

Presidential and legislative are very different elections. It makes sense to form an alliance now.

[@jacobdarling1524]

I wish we could have done something like this in the U.S. with Bernie Sanders after Biden won.

[@adoberoots]

Ashumed?

[@sakshamrai1803]

can you make a video on India and the possibility of BJP ever losing??

[@prannoysaha6157]

lol, as long as the Congress party is led by the incompetent clown Rahul Gandhi, the BJP will never lose nationally.

[@lewis_base]

I hope they loose as soon as possible, but a loss in 2024 seems unlikely, especially given the incompetent opposition we have.

[@tinahalder8416]

@@thebookist1651 i am pretty sure there are Conservatives, and in a EU mation there is Christian Democratic Party? So yeah, EU surely votes based on religion. And in India, BJP will stay until 2030, minimum

[@tinahalder8416]

@@thebookist1651 oh it's Christian Democratic union, in Germany

[@beepoboopo546]

Until the Congress Party gets rid of the Gandhi dynasty, the BJP are going to be hard to beat, the only hope is for a broad coalition of opposition forces coming from the growing regional parties and a reformed INC come together to unseat them, but there are massive disagreements and they are still far below a majority

[@dennismorgan3701]

This alliance has some incredible policies for working class and even middle class people. Hope they win and break France out of the pro-corporate, neoliberal nightmare the country is going through right now.

[@samueltrusik3251]

Honestly, I don`t know much about France, but the country seems to be really chaotic right now.

[@ten_tego_teges]

France a neo-liberal nightmare?

[@fhujf]

Someone should give those guys a memo that Les Trente Glorieuses are over and are not coming back!

[@incrediblelul2098]

yeah yeah of course left knows the best how to build a wealthy healthy economy(without which no working people will live well) like in cuba , venezuala , angola , north korea etc... kapp

[@Jajalaatmaar]

@@samueltrusik3251 The TLDR of France is "Heaven inhabitated by people who think it's hell".

[@user-zi4wx3uw1y]

Viva la popular front hell yeah

[@johnmanpls5577]

2024!

[@mathiastighilt9913]

Concerning the polls, Cluster 17 has been the most accurate pollster during the presidential election. I don't think we can discuss their methods.

[@mrworldwide7387]

They did some wanky stuff tho

[@hjalmarfreidenvall1655]

Neat

[@jackforshaw4439]

what happens if Le penn wins and becomes PM

[@Arthishow]

Not much difference economically. And Macron's ministers are already very much hard right conservative when it's about women's rights or refugees...

[@Michael-mh2tw]

Major cope.

[@divergentintegral3475]

French people, cohabitation, I will never understand

[@tinahalder8416]

And, tbh, Left PM + Central President doesn't seem that bad

[@Duck-wc9de]

It has a left PM. So its bad. Anything the left (I'm considering the fact that the moderate left Will unite with the Extreme left, so the moderates will be radicalized) says Will Come at a terrible cost for the Next generation. Allways! Its amazing

[@Charles-ed3vj]

Depends to who you are talking. Much better than having only a banker in the lead but not ideal for the middle class of the country who will pay more and more taxes to finance the social programs the left want.

[@beepoboopo546]

@@Charles-ed3vj the middle class benefit hugely from social democratic policies and their existence protects the existence of a middle class. Just look at the state of the American middle class, they're practically an endangered species nowadays

[@Duck-wc9de]

@@Charles-ed3vj bankers and housewifes are the best people to govern nations.

[@Charles-ed3vj]

@@Duck-wc9de Look at Macron, he sold part of the french industry to american companies, increased the taxes on small companies, lowered the one for the big ones did not do a single thing for fraud from the social system and to big companies. For housewifes I can't say but bankers are not the best at all to govern a country. They run it like a compagny to make short term gains, not long term investment that would actually benefit the country.

[@scottauger4295]

Fast again whoop

[@ricksahuman]

2:40 that Green Party icon looks pretty neat. I can't find that flag on Google images and when i do, it's blueish, not green. That logo looks great. It's interesting because that flag/logo is green and yellow (which are the national colors of Brazil), they're an ecological party and Brazil not only has most of the Amazon but shares a huge border with France. Also the white spots inside the flower with the dark background look a lot like the stars and the globe in the Brazilian flag.

[@BoraCM]

What Green Party icon?

[@ricksahuman]

@@BoraCM oops, wrong timestamp. And yeah i meant the Center-Left Greens

[@BoraCM]

@@ricksahuman I think that LFI’s logo looks like the Pinterest logo, although I haven’t seen it recently. Do you agree?

[@ricksahuman]

@@BoraCM yeah it resembles it

[@samrevlej9331]

@@BoraCM It's supposed to be the Greek letter "φ" ("phi"), which is a symbol for philosophy and makes the "f" sound in Greek.

[@mab9614]

I actually asked a few Frenchmen I know of is it actually true that if a politician manages to secure the most number of seats in the legislature. He or she will be set to become the prime minister. All four replied back to me they have no idea why Melenchon said that. In fact, MLP (Marine Le Pen) could say the same thing. She didn’t because she knows it’s next to impossible. They ended up saying that they hope Melenchon knows that 700k to a million voters who voted for him in the first round actually voted for Le Pen in the second round.

[@mtk77621]

Two things: first of all, the far right has never gotten even anywhere close to a majority in the french legislature. That's why they can't act like they'll be able to impose cohabitation. The french left is obviously different. Second, yes if a party manages to secure a majority in the legislative elections they get to impose a prime minister. The reason why Mélenchon would be "elected prime minister" is because he is the central figure of the french left at the moment and it's part of the deal that the alliance has made.

[@tinahalder8416]

Thats seems logical, lefts might as well vote for centar, than far right

[@snowcold5932]

I'm french, and this already happened three times. In 1997 to 2002, Chirac was president and Jospin was prime minister. After that, they changed the presidential mandate from 7 years to 5 years, meaning legislatives would be right after presidentials, and usually ensuring that if a guy was popular enough to be elected president, he'd also get a majority in the legislatives that came immediatly after. This time, since Macron is deeply unpopular and got elected by default against Le Pen for a 2nd time, and with this new alliance of parties, there's a very serious chance that the left gets a majority. In which case it's parliament who decides the prime minister, and they agreed it would be Mélenchon.

[@MDP1702]

@@snowcold5932 *This time, since Macron is deeply unpopular and got elected by default against Le Pen for a 2nd time* I disagree with this statement. Macron received more votes in the first round this time than in 2017. Now he might have become more impopular with those who already didn't really support him, but his core base definitely hasn't shrunk since last time it seems. In a second round he was almost always expected to win unless his opponent was too much like him. If Melenchon made it to the second round, the right likely would have voted for Macron, against Le Pen a large part of the left likely voted for him. Macron had the advantage of being in the center, the 'least worst' candidate in most 2nd round scenario's. Though in the legislative elections his party did receive more votes than he did in the first round in 2017, possibly due to local representatives and it is this advantage his party seems to have lost, though despite this the polling does predict that the loss in number of seats wouldn't be too bad, most likely because if a candidate of Ensemble makes it to the 2nd round, that candidate also gets the 'centrist advantage' bonus. I'd say these elections might be interesting, it could swing either way, but a full on majority for the left is going to be incredibly difficult considering polls still suggest a (smaller) majority of Macron's party in seats even after this left coalition was already formed. I'd expect that the best this coalition causes is that no single party gets a majority and thus a coalition will have to be formed. But likely one between Ensemble and Republican if it is possible.

[@anonymousigggsoo3664]

@@mtk77621 Technically false because of the cursed thing that is the French Senate.

[@sjewitt22]

I wish the Greens in the UK weren't scum bags, and has supported Corbyn.

[@_MrMoney]

Knowing how this type of alliance worked in Hungary, I doubt it will have any good effect on the French left. Even if it's just a left-wing alliance and not a full-spectrum one voters don't like to be told what to vote, especially left-wing voters. However this turns out could also possibly determine whether there's an Anti-Tory ticket at the next British election.

[@Ocelot835]

Yeah but in the Hungary the alliance was formed with every anti-Orban party not just left-wing - one of their members was former far-rights from Jobbik for God's sake. And from what I know French lefties have plenty of experience to get into power by forming united coalition qnd stay stable for a while.

[@kit6088]

voters on the left are massively in favor of this alliance according to the poles. I think it's mainly about climate change action. IPCC said we just have a couple of years to act. That's why leftists are willing to unite. And that's why most leftists are a little bit more radical than a decade ago.

[@marci_moon]

It’s a really different kind of alliance. It’s not anti-Macron, it’s pro-left. Anti something alliances like in Poland and Hungary didn’t work because people don’t like voting against something but rather for something.

[@_MrMoney]

@@kit6088 Of course they are on favour because on paper coalitions always sound great, but that might not be the case on voting day, as certain policy disagreements or lack of specific candidates on the ballots may turn down a lot of their base. For example, a lot of center-left voters may think that certain policies made by the Communist party are way too extreme and they rather direct their vote somewhere else, same thing happens the other way around

[@_MrMoney]

@@Ocelot835 France hasn't had an electoral coalition government for decades. The fact that they did it once or twice over 70 years ago doesn't mean anything, but the basis is the same. Sure, it would be more centered around left-wing policies, but getting the socialists, communists, greens and the alt-left to agree and present a compelling and united set of policies further than "votes us because we're the left" they won't accomplish much.

[@aaronhpa]

tab for a cause doesn't let you finance political institutions :(

[@jacqueswan2867]

As long as the PCF doesnt start messing with the Popular Front after winning like last time I am happy to see some balancing from the left to the centre.

[@grischu8277]

ah yes, because lowering the retirement age will help soooo much

[@Charles25192]

Yes it will help people to live a longer time without having to report to any boss or customer. The only period of you're free.

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

Will the French right make a similar alliance?

[@Xternzz]

Not very likely, the RN has refused to ally with Reconquête! and LR does not want to ally with either Macron or RN to not split itself

[@SP95]

RN is already an alliance.

[@Charles25192]

The right already allied into Macron's party, including members of the socialist party who acted like a right wing party in the past years

[@sonicmeerkat]

please, i want to see france declare a new republic, them declaring republics is the modern version of them crowning a king called louis

[@fcalvaresi]

Long live the 18th Republic!

[@pacotaco1246]

This looks pretty cool! I hope this popular union thing works out for the french!

[@arnaudd8440]

nah we good with macron thanks

[@arnaudd8440]

things never work with french socialism

[@mikhael636]

Hell nahh

[@thomasboyd755]

He get Socialist French Prime minister from French Left party candidate yes. Awesome. Excellent channel. It Guess politically Thomas in Macron centrist France politically Thomas. Art Bezrukavenko wanted Macron centrist to win French President election politically in France.

[@marshallcrutchfield9258]

Why are you saying assumed like stewie saying cool whip

[@wigrammartialarts]

Anybody else watch on 1.25 speed because they talk to slow?

[@Essentially_Nobody]

Sorry Nope... I watch on 2x speed because they talk slow

[@fathelph]

The video has to last at least 10 minutes to monetize

[@gocool_2.0]

I watch it in 2x speed

[@NHCVMohammedNawaz]

French public gimme your opinion. Which coalition would you rather vote for - the United left, macron or the right wing?

[@samrevlej9331]

The left.

[@NHCVMohammedNawaz]

@@samrevlej9331 Is there a real chance for Melenchon?

[@charlesdaloz2547]

@@NHCVMohammedNawaz yes

[@NHCVMohammedNawaz]

@@charlesdaloz2547 That's great, I would have voted for him too if I was French.