Why Spain's Socialists are U-Turning on Immigration

[@ruthrama3350]

You forget a very important reason for the Spanish acceptance of migration. A very important group of migrants is constituted by Latin Anerican: same language, same religion and similar culture. Another important group are Romanian who also speak a Latin language and are able to learn Spanish in 3-4 months. Besides, they are EU citizens. These two nationalities form the majority of inmigrants and they integrate quite easily.

[@Hasanaljadid]

But Most immigrants are from Morocco I think

[@fran19845]

Hispanic American, same culture.

[@SusCalvin]

I remember when the great threat was an EU migrant.

[@matirei3266]

Nowadays they are, i think they should​ limit african immigration and encourage again latin american @@Hasanaljadid

[@AI-qd4vb]

There was quite a backlash against romanians in the early 2010s too. People love to gloss over this. They were simmilarly accused of bringing trouble, upping the crime rates and destroying welfare by working illegally and for lower wages.

[@kayalokito]

Spaniard here. Most of the country approves latin-american immigration, but reject north-african immigration. If Sánchez had said that he was going to grant citizenship to 300,000 Venezuelans, nobody would have complained.

[@BlackDiamondYoutub]

But he would never do that because Venezuelans fucking hate Sanchez

[@randomhuman2595]

In America they don't like Latin American immigration though

[@E3ECO]

Makes sense. We in the US don't mind how many Europeans come here, because our cultural roots are European. (Native Americans aside.) But when millions of non-English speaking people flow into border regions, it creates a lot of discord. Legal immigration can be set at reasonable levels for assimilation, but illegals can overwhelm a community.

[@franug]

it's funny how different things are felt depending where you are: if you told me Spain is going to grant citizenship to 300,000 Venezuelans that fled their country towards other South American nations (like mine, Chile), we would be happy, lol, because we have received way too many, more than what we can assimilate. Sometimes it's not just cultural differences that create an anti-migrant view, but the sheer number. And I would argue that there are cultural differences even between Hispanic nations; believe me that crime behaves very different depending from which country it comes from.

[@oooshafiqooo]

@@E3ECO how US barely changed from segregation period. Well at least non Europeans enjoyed freedom (ignoring taxes)

[@juancamilogomez8091]

They are migration friendly because most of their migrants were hispanics from Latin America, so same language and very similar cultures. A lot of them were literal spanish refugees and their descendants that had fled to Latin America during the Spanish civil war.

[@Hasanaljadid]

Just Don't take venezuelan gang members lol

[@Miguel-fo9cd]

There is a difference between a South American and a moroccan

[@aguspuig6615]

@@Hasanaljadid Its ironic, it seems like the further a migrant travels the better type of person he is on avarage. Muslim immigrants in the US dont seem to cause any trouble, however some latinos do. Here in Spain any south american immigrant, at least in my expirience, will be the chillest, nicest and most hard working person you know. While the muslims can be good, but they can also be really bad as you see in all of europe. Ig if you just want to go do crime you go to the nearest country you can get into, i doubt any MS13 gang member is taking the time to come all the way to Spain when they can easily get into the US

[@renzoqu]

That's not the truth. Every culture is welcome in Spain. Except Tourists.

[@Hasanaljadid]

@@aguspuig6615You Should say Arabs or Africans instead of Muslims as you Don't call Latin American immigrants as christians

[@FlamencoOz]

I've lived in Spain and am from Australia (of Spanish and Peruvian parents). The reason why Spain is migrant friendly is because the migrants (the largest proportion being from Latin America) generally integrate really well due to a cultural interchange that has occurred over centuries. Firstly I do understand latino's are different however after travelling across latin america these countries are quite similar with similar tastes and some regional variances. Latino's speak Spanish, Spanish people listen to music from Latin America and vice versa, and Latinos and Spaniards share love of family and friends and going out. I realised what a cohesive factor this shared cultural memory is between Latinos and Spaniards when I came back to Australia and saw how differently Australians and immigrants (and immigrants themselves) interact due to the many different countries and cultures Australia pulls from. immigrants in Australia really have very little to do with each other (at least the 1st generation, the kids however will have friends from different cultural backgrounds). For example my Spanish father and Peruvian mother's friends were generally either Spanish or Latinos (again, shared cultural memory), very few of any other culture. However, my sister and I have friends that cross all cultural backgrounds (from Europe, UK, latin america, the Middle East, SE Asia, etc etc).

[@RazorMouth]

Exactly, it's like North Americans living here in Ireland, they're similar to us so they integrate seamlessly 👍

[@armyray8638]

cool

[@rogink]

Yes that's what I assumed it was. I'd guess that most African migrants arrive illegally. So this is just about legalising them. How many will return when their visas are up remains to be seen 😉

[@fuerstmetternich1997]

Africans do not integrate at all though.

[@AiRPasternak]

The problem is the migrants coming to Spain aren't Latinos they're Muslims and we all know those people don't want to adapt

[@pabloiglesiasmarquina7543]

I have been subscribed to this chanell for some time now (I´m Spanish from Galicia) and I would like to say this video is not a good explanation on "Why" the U-Turning is happening, and actually is missleading since it leaves out major factors, namely: 1. Most of Inmigrants in Spain are coming from Central and South America and from the rest of Europe. (INE Data) 2. The origin of the "classical" american (the continent) inmigration makes integration easy due to speaking the same language and share many common culture aspects. Many of these people are actually the sons or gradsons of Spanish people who emigrated to America (the continent) decades ago. Also worth noting that under Spanish law, people coming from south american countries and other places formerly within the Spanish Empire (eg. Philippines), have an special and faster system for residency. 3. The U-Turning is happening because the rise on illegal inmigration coming from Africa. (Vox focus on this aspect, actually calling americans "our latin american brothers". So you can see where the issue lays for them. When people see the news on problems with inmigration they do not tend to think on Venezuelans, Argentinians, etc but in inmigration coming from the Magreb and Sahel regions. With all due respect, not mentioning this in the video talks about poor research, and is not providing the whole picture in an accurate way. I hope this post helps to anyone curious about this topic. English is not my mother tongue, so forget any mistakes on the writting. Best,

[@savioblanc]

I unsubscribed from this channel after I realised its narrative isn't about facts on the ground, however unsettling it might seem but rather bullsh*ting the audience into thinking they're an unbiased news source. It happened enough times for me to start noticing the trend. As you said, lots of misinformation, lots of blatantly obvious factors just NOT being mentioned at all. I guess you've started noticing it as well. Start watching more carefully. I always say this about these kinds of KZbin channels - if I know they are being disingenuous on topics I am familiar about, how do I know they're telling me the truth on topics I am not familiar with.

[@joetrades2472]

Pero no se porque dices que la mayoría de los migrantes son de latam, cuando son de África. Ya quisiera yo que hubiera más gente de latam. Sus mujeres son lindas y sus hombres honrados.

[@camillelebreton5778]

​@@joetrades2472because of empirical evidence?

[@mycellphone4437]

​@@camillelebreton5778fella with the carlista flag in 2024 of course is going to be driven by motivated reasoning - stats are for the weak

[@joetrades2472]

@@camillelebreton5778 Based on stats and my experience I can say. There is more ppl from africa

[@johnwilliamshazelford6066]

You are missing out on a crucial reason why Spaniards are more friendly to immigration: a huge percentage of immigrants are South American and as such integrate very easily in Spain, causing less social friction than more culturally different migrants.

[@elcultomatematico3922]

Spain mainly receives immigrants from three regions of the world: 1. Europe 2. Latin America 3. North Africa. Europe and Latin America are very well integrated into Spanish society, however, there are greater frictions with North Africa. Immigrants from Asia are very small in number so they do not have a great impact. What is increasing is immigration from Sub-Saharan Africa, although it is still small compared to the first three.

[@MbisonBalrog]

I doubt DR, PR, and Mex can integrate that easily especially if they very brown.

[@miguelram10]

​@MbisonBalrog there have been brown mexicans living in spain since the days of the spanish empire😂 but mexican generally don't go to any country other than usa.

[@HusseinDoha]

@@elcultomatematico3922 The faster residency for Latin Americans is ridiculous and it actually creating problems for the EU. They can apply for citizenship even before they can get their residency papers (2 years waiting period). Then they can roam around the EU and apply for work in it using their new Spanish citizenship, that makes Spain look awful. Soon, Spain will not be able to cope with the numbers, regardless of specific source and background of migrants. Furthermore, handing citizenship to children of Spaniards who live abroad, regardless of the length of time the parent/s have lived in Spain is creating troubles. Now multiple generations can live e abroad and claim citizenship. Last year 75% of new citizenship was handed to people who live abroad.

[@HusseinDoha]

⁠@@MbisonBalrog the very brown Latin American (I think you think of someone who’s very mixed as opposed to Native Latinos can still integrate well). Anyway, The faster residency for Latin Americans is ridiculous and it actually creating problems for the EU. They can apply for citizenship even before they can get their residency papers (2 years waiting period). Then they can roam around the EU and apply for work in it using their new Spanish citizenship, that makes Spain look awful. Soon, Spain will not be able to cope with the numbers, regardless of specific source and background of migrants. Furthermore, handing citizenship to children of Spaniards who live abroad, regardless of the length of time the parent/s have lived in Spain is creating troubles. Now multiple generations can live e abroad and claim citizenship. Last year 75% of new citizenship was handed to people who live abroad.

[@KonigGustavAdolph]

The fact that they don't mention migrants from Latin America is astounding.

[@theinsufferablebutthole8923]

It show that they are obfuscating. I don’t really trust this channel.

[@Lyraorganum]

Liberal blindness.

[@castronator-mu3ye]

They want EU people to think those are North African like in the rest of the EU, and Its not. Most migrants here are Romanian and Latín American, thats why Its friendly, most people strongly desagrees with North African migration (even me, and I'm dating a Moroccan girl).​@@Lyraorganum

[@tero2444]

I'm just glad I read the comments to learn about that. I was so confused as to why their muslim migrants are not causing any trouble, but apparently they are - like everywhere else.

[@Lyraorganum]

Also they judge other nations by the standards of their liberal middle-class, which is just bonkers considering most of the migrants aren't these urbanized and americanized people.

[@purpledevilr7463]

I’m disappointed in TLDR for this video. The comments make it obvious, but still. - there is a distinction in the type of migrant.

[@stekon9112]

Cause TLDR is far left an biased.

[@koko2bware]

The title of this video itself is ... misleading!! There is no U-Turn on immigration by Pedro Sanchez!! Actually, he is pulling off another election trick!! Everyone knows that no migrant is going back just because Sanchez made some agreements with some African countries!! Always take everything with a pinch of salt !!

[@koko2bware]

The title itself is misleading!! Sanchez is not making any U-Turn on immigration!! It's just an election BS, and no immigrant is going back whether agreements made or not !! Just BS !!

[@NicksPinoy]

The idea that being anti-immigration is only a far-right ideology should be binned. I know a lot of left-wing people and even socialists who are absolutely pro-strong borders and anti-illegal immigration, and they are so upset about being called 'far-right' when they express their opinions.

[@luonggiaphat7946]

Anti illegal-immigration is just common sense. I mean, why would you want to welcome stranges from some unknown places int your homes, feed, care for and give them benefits, especially if many of them provide little to no value for your society, do crimes, and some even hate your country.

[@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK]

Far Right is derogatry nowdays. It shouldn't be, but it is. The news and even this channel use the term "Far Right" to rhyme with "Scum".

[@slopernafti902]

Evidence?

[@fnsshehrbvfgyssbvvsmmmdjjd4611]

@@slopernafti902bro wants him to get a voice recording of his friends saying it

[@monicariba4309]

@@slopernafti902 The BSW in germany and the socdems in denmark are leftist and anti-imigration.

[@AdventureElliot]

Latin American immigrants integrate flawlessly into Spain but I’ve seen first hand how North Africans are destroying places like Barcelona and it’s a complete mockery. I feel so bad for the wonderful Spanish people.

[@aleografics311]

I completely agree

[@kingofracism]

Tbh I'd rather Muslims than Latin Americans in my country😂 luckily the UK is not a popular destination for Latinos

[@JavierLorenzomartinez-y3s]

De acuerdo

[@HusseinDoha]

@@aleografics311 The faster residency for Latin Americans is ridiculous and it actually creating problems for the EU. They can apply for citizenship even before they can get their residency papers (2 years waiting period). Then they can roam around the EU and apply for work in it using their new Spanish citizenship, that makes Spain look awful. Soon, Spain will not be able to cope with the numbers, regardless of specific source and background of migrants. Furthermore, handing citizenship to children of Spaniards who live abroad, regardless of the length of time the parent/s have lived in Spain is creating troubles. Now multiple generations can live e abroad and claim citizenship. Last year 75% of new citizenship was handed to people who live abroad.

[@HusseinDoha]

The faster residency for Latin Americans is ridiculous and it actually creating problems for the EU. They can apply for citizenship even before they can get their residency papers (2 years waiting period). Then they can roam around the EU and apply for work in it using their new Spanish citizenship, that makes Spain look awful. Soon, Spain will not be able to cope with the numbers, regardless of specific source and background of migrants. Furthermore, handing citizenship to children of Spaniards who live abroad, regardless of the length of time the parent/s have lived in Spain is creating troubles. Now multiple generations can live e abroad and claim citizenship. Last year 75% of new citizenship was handed to people who live abroad.

[@cyberrb25]

There are a couple reasons additionally to the migration-friendly attitude in Spain: - The historical migration used to be from Latin American countries, which made those people relatively easier to absorb due to the historical ties due to former colonisation. - Also, because of the Franco Regime and post-Civil War retaliations against left-leaning citizens, many of those ended up migrating to Latin America. And in the early Democracy steps (80's), many others went to Europe to find a job. Both reasons make it to understand people's need of migrating. If anything, the Latin American origin being displaced by African people is what is making people that were less accepting of immigration start airing their grievances and rejection.

[@FlamencoOz]

This is the answer

[@carmineingaldi47]

Spaniards are friendly with south American and quite friendly with asian immigrants, with north-african are as unfriendly as other europan counties because these fill the poorest layers of the society and poor people tend to commit small crimes more than whealthy people

[@aguspuig6615]

When my grandpa was young, he once saw a muslim woman get stopped at the cash register while waiting to pay for groceries, she had stuffed alot of candy bars in her dress and she got caught. For some fkin reason she said ''Detain me now, but well see who laughs when we have replaced all of you christians''. Now i get that this sounds like an actual Chud fake post, but my grandpa wasnt really into politics at all, and he took honesty very seriously, ive never known him to lie. This was upwards of 40 years go, so there wasnt even an internet, and a great replacement theory going on, call it a conspiracy, but if you ask some of the more hatefull muslim immigrants they will literally openly brag about having enough children to replace the population and ''conquer'' the land. Specially since Spain was controled by Muslims many hundreds of years ago, they often talk about 'reclaiming whats rightfully theirs'' Idk how we let people who say this stuff into our country, at least the ones that hold those views shouldnt be allowed in for fucks sake

[@donatist59]

As it should.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Except Latin Americans are often Black

[@joseantoniodepilares6509]

In Spain we have 3 types of inmigrants: 1. Europeans, welcomed. 2. Hispanics from America; most welcomed as we perceive them already as kin. 3. North africans, not welcomed. They do NOT integrate, different religion, culture , language and potencially dangerous. Most our inmigrants are Hispanics, that is why we haven't seen a problem with migrants, till now.

[@idonothavetime]

Chinese?

[@light_fight_edits]

@@idonothavetimewelcomed, they work a lot and never cause problems

[@VYZD846]

Not potentially, but just plain dangerous.

[@Valentina.Montano]

Exactly

[@kingofracism]

​@@light_fight_editswould you be okay if 500 million Chinese people and Indian people came to work in Spain? Just imagine the GDP line on the chart 🤓🤡💀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@davidp.7620]

Vox isn't an anti-migration party. Vox is against immigration from Northern Africans. But Santiago Abascal gets a boner at the thought of bringing a million South Americans to Barcelona.

[@Hudpix16]

Bringing immigrants to Catalonia who don’t give a damn about Catalan separatism is the best remedy against those rebels.

[@MrEnric98]

@@Hudpix16 Thanks to be so clear about ethnic substitution!

[@Merry19ss]

​@@MrEnric98eso ya está en Cataluña, está llena de Magrebíes y Moros 😢

[@cayyacare1903]

@@MrEnric98 Enric la sustitución la promovió Jordi Pujol que no queria hispanohablantes y fantaseaba con la idea de que los inmigrantes tuvieran como principal lengua el catalán (el único factor diferencial respecto al resto de españoles), ahora en Barcelona el 40% de la población entre 25 y 40 años ya es extranjera ciudades como Lleida dan asco

[@phoule76]

It's pretty easy to integrate Catholic, Spanish-speaking South Americans.

[@jasonhaven7170]

And what if they're Black?

[@Albert24346]

@@jasonhaven7170 If they're black, then they're black. Culture and morals are relevant, skin colour isn't.

[@grayhunterx352]

@@jasonhaven7170 blacks as well! both from the Caribbean and equatorial guinea, it's not about race, it's about culture and customs.

[@blazer9547]

​@@jasonhaven7170 black people have solidarity to Africa and other black people. All others are worthless to them

[@JollyOldCanuck]

@@jasonhaven7170 Still relatively easy considering the relatively large black minority populations in Spain and Portugal, the bigger issue is Moroccans and other Arab countries in North Africa that don't speak Spanish.

[@niclar10le]

It's quite simple. We are friendly towards Latin American's inmigration. But quite sceptical to African-inmigration (Morocco mainly). And we have problems with illegal inm coming to Canary Islands as of now, since they dont have enough funds to host them. And other autonomous communities are refusing to cooperate, whether is hosting them (autonom) or sending help (central gov).

[@itseveryday8600]

What is the sentiment like towards immigration from EU or North America? Also, retired people moving to Spain from those countries?

[@PossibleBat]

@@itseveryday8600if you integrate, learn the language, respect the native people and in general make an effort to live here happily and in community, you are welcome. If you are going to live in a only-English speaking residential suburb, and going to just "vacation" here forever, I’d rather you not come. Rather you be a tourist than a permanent resident that does nothing to contribute.

[@itseveryday8600]

@@PossibleBat That makes sense, thank you.

[@niclar10le]

@@itseveryday8600 Honestly no one cares about those who come to Spain to 'retire'. It's just a money issue, as we all know. We feel closer to Europeans/NA so thats no problem. But i have to say that anti-tourism movement is increasing clearly in places like Mallorca, Barcelona or Alicante, given how it affects rental market (airbnb etc) and localism.

[@itseveryday8600]

@@niclar10le Thank you, that's good to know. But, aren't there blame towards retired people for purchasing/renting a property to live in, since it will affect the rental/property market?

[@spanishball9449]

7:37 from Barcelona this is so true. Going outside is like being a tourist in Morocco. You live by their rules and in fear. This must end now.

[@monicariba4309]

I don't understand why english speakers call Sanchez "prime minister". Every single person in spain calls him the "president". His oficial title is "presidente del gobierno de España", translated it would be "president of the spanish government". Just something that I've noticed.

[@ondrikb]

If I had to guess, saying "president" in English could be confusing since Spain is ultimately not a presidential republic but rather a monarchy. The Wikipedia page for "Prime Minister of Spain" contains a better explanation.

[@guxxio]

porque en el sistema ingles al presidente del gobierno se le llama primer ministro mientras que el presidente lo es de la nacion como en EEUU por ejemplo

[@cmmndrblu]

It's an error

[@manana1444]

Because the word "President" is connected with heads of states, whereas "Prime minister" means head of government. Calling him a PM gives more accurate description of his role.

[@karimd.2176]

Por el sistema político que tenemos, un presidente se vota directamente en las urnas, a un primer ministro se le vota en el parlamento por los diputados.

[@bodives]

Why does Spain needs so much immigration since they have such high unemployment rates?

[@9_9876]

Sánchez's wife loves BBC and asks him to keep letting them in

[@LurkingObserver]

they need to have their culture enriched

[@CarlosMunoz-sx7bn]

I am Spanish and this had me rolling 😂​@@LurkingObserver

[@Lina-y9q1s]

The spanish who work hard and want to work and smart leave Spain to other EU countries. So the country is naturally selected with the Spanish who doesn't want to work or the ones can not leave the country to work. So ends up needing immigration to fill up the gap.

[@middler5]

​@@luisgongodThat's why you unionise the migrants too. Joke's on them.

[@tugaric]

It's amazing how the word "far right" is so poorly used that it became useless.

[@Omroqurba]

😢😢 Poor, it's now bad to call an apple by it's name because crybabies like you get offended. It's actually far right because endorses conservative values, race purity, hate for the different, anti climate laws, they are against European human laws. Do you need more explanation?

[@baronmeduse]

It still denotes a reality.

[@shamicentertainment1262]

It’s stupid because now if something is genuinely far right, I’ll immediately think it’s not because it’s so overused. I thought far right was something closer to neo nazis, not someone that’s just a normal conservative

[@baronmeduse]

@@shamicentertainment1262 Does anyone call a 'normal conservative' (surely an oxymoron) 'far-right? I don't think so. It's when you see right-wing people displaying characteristic far-right tropes such as demonising minorities, authoritarian attitudes to law and order etc. This is when it is used.

[@el.bokeron]

​​@@shamicentertainment1262 that's exactly what they intended by using it that way (people like Pedro Sánchez) Now most people don't even know what far right even means, and they use the word to attack people who disagree with them politically, that's what they always call Vox on "public" media (all the news are own and paid by Pedro Sánchez and his "government")

[@jljl5449]

Spain's youth unemployment rate is ~25%. So, opening your country to huge numbers of migrants (which will need jobs once they've immigrated) is probably not going to be high on the list of their citizens.

[@deepisaddictedtoyt]

The problem is not "migration" but "illegal migration". I'm quite sure the average Spaniard (or European) would've been completely fine with people arriving on (and respecting) Schengen visas.

[@scientia8442]

Illegal migration is a problematic term. Human right conventions allow people to come and file for asylum, no visa required for that.

[@t.c.4321]

But ask yourself why the Schengen zone exists, and that there isn't a simular agreement with Middle Eastern countries... European culture is vital.

[@Frankie._.164]

I totally agree illegal migration there should be no exceptions, but I think even legal migration is still a bit too high for most people's liking.

[@susanapol382]

Yes they are

[@Sir_Bucket]

Not when migration is used as a scape-goat for the problem in our countries. The people who vote far-right don't really care if it's legal or illegal migration. They just hear "muslim" and that's enough for them.

[@pedromiranda1000]

The same is happening in Portugal. We used to receive migrants from Brazil, Angola, Cabo Verde and other Portuguese speaking countries, which was fine since they integrated somewhat easily. We also had Romanians and others from Eastern Europe, it was fine. But recently we've been seeing more and more migrants from Pakistan, India, Northern Africa and Middle East and everything is changing. For starters, Portugal is not that safe anymore and the social fabric is starting to break.

[@AdventureElliot]

I stayed in a part of Lisbon that was completely conquered by those groups and I wouldn’t let my girlfriend walk there in a million years.. spitting and peeing on the streets, smoking, throwing trash - what a shame.

[@pedromiranda1000]

@@AdventureElliot Now we are seeing them just camping on the streets, with tents! We never had this before!! Hotels and restaurants are complaining because their staff doesn't feel safe and they are getting less and less clients.

[@jpp1960]

Latin American here. To my Spaniard cousins, I think the level of education screening should be applied to both African and Latin American migrants. We are currently having HUGE problems here with populist autocrats because people decide to sell their vote for as little as 130 euros monthly allowance.

[@ManPodcast-tj8le]

Self-respecting Brazilians do not immigrate to Spain. I hope that when you say "Latin American" you have ignored Brazil from that word.

[@stevenrafa1]

Given the recent events in Ceuta, where there was a significant attempt to cross the border last week, it was clear that a change was needed

[@marcussver620]

😮

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

Doesnt spain get most of it migrants from south america? People with a similar culture and the same language are very easy to integrate.

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

Also with the same religion, which is also a big factor.

[@extrapolate]

@@mam0lechinookclan607yep, only showing how much of a problem illegal immigrants from cultures that refuse to adapt are. In Sweden you see what happens when they’re the majority of immigrants: biggest homicide rates in what was the safest country in Europe not too long ago. Put 2+2 together yet?

[@whitetiana3022]

@@mam0lechinookclan607 no, cause far away? africa is right across the channel. these immigrants don't give a flying whether the place they are moving to is culturally similar or they speak the language. they just want to profit from the higher standard of living also i have no idea what makes you think that spain and latin america have similar cultures, cause they really don't.

[@antoniolopez2322]

U turning? 😂Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez went last week to Africa and said there that Spain needs 250.000 more inmigrants!!

[@Kurainuz]

He said that ilegal inmigrants would be returned, and he said that 250 thousand jobs would be covered by africans in the next 25 years, wich is probably true as our agriculture survives on the exploitation of said migrants

[@SebastianS-dt2fh]

@@Kurainuz that's stupid, look at how the US is doing with diversity.

[@andreastagnimorisi1841]

Focusing on immigration in general is obtuse. There are different kind of immigrants, whose impact in the societies they move to is widely different. Be it right or wrong, most Spaniards (but the same goes for other Europeans) are generally fine with migrants whose background indicate a strong propensity to integration within their way of life - that is, other Europeans, Southern Americans, other westerners. They are way less welcoming when it comes to Africans and, especially, Muslims. The greatest influx of migrants to Spain were from Latin America, hence the general positive vibe towards it.

[@wentoneisendon6502]

Yeah, ☪️ancer is a different type of migration

[@rico14]

I think this is the main reason.

[@Mosern1977]

Yes, you are pointing at a very important distinction there. I'm Norwegian, and Norway has like Sweden had a massive population increase over the last decades due to immigration. However, Norway has mainly gotten Swedes and Poles. While Sweden has gotten a lot of MENA immigrants. Its all about the source of the immigration, and not the amount in itself that matters for a society.

[@erf2324]

@@wentoneisendon6502 bruh.. Muslims are not "cancer". More like western liberals, who think that building LGBT centres next to mosques wont cause religious conflict lol

[@allenk6373]

@@wentoneisendon6502imagine people in Saudi Arabia will hear that and cut you from their oil

[@thegrumpyraccoon]

There is a difference between migrants from Latin America and those of Africa . One have a similar background and are going through proper channels, and other are the reason why the anti migration move is on the rise.

[@ambessaseway5594]

Not really only Moroccan migrants but migrants from Equatorial-Guinea and cape verde are well integrated

[@enriquedp9356]

@@ambessaseway5594equatorial guineas are spanish speaking and catholic so they also integrate well.

[@juanantoniodomenechrubio5780]

Most inmigrants from south america came as tourists via airplane and remained in the country as ileagals once their tourist visa expired. Most north africans do the same nowdays. Cross to the peninsula as tourist in their cars or by bus and remein here once the visa is expired. The ones coming in boats are a minority.

[@rico14]

@@ambessaseway5594it comes down to the religion

[@ManPodcast-tj8le]

​@juanantoniodomenechrubio5780 Brasil não precisa da Espanha mesmo.

[@Mendez_84]

I'm glad to find from the comments that Spain is friendly to Latin American migrants. Spain is in a very advantageous position compared to other EU countries for the reasons already mentioned here plus most people from LATAM are very hard working and just want a chance in life.

[@Ricardo-mk2et]

You don't speak about the thousands of Africans camping illegaly to Sapin form the islands and Spanish enclave's. The population is not enjoying the cheap labour. It's destroying the working class

[@Fpsmedia1337]

He is biased and bought for. Should disregard this channel completely.

[@joelimbergamo639]

Do you have a source for that? There are very few people living in any EU countries illegally, as even if they enter illegally, regulariseing their situation is easy

[@LazyRecap32]

„Migrant workers are necessary“ sure…skilled workers mostly but you can‘t tell me there are millions of lower working class jobs empty every year..which are unless illegally paid per law with minimum wage anyway and not the classic cheap labor you move production into countries like China etc. for

[@joelimbergamo639]

@@LazyRecap32 there are lot of unfilled low skill work that is unfilled every year, trucking and seasonal agriculture are the best known, so yes, immigrats are just needed for low skill work too

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@LazyRecap32 Migrant workers are never necessary. If there is a demand for something, that is the natural system trying to fix itself. For example, we need more doctors in the UK. But we have a very large and educated population, so why are more people not going into it? Same with teachers etc. The reality is that people are choosing not to go into these fields due to the pay and conditions. Instead of importing people to fill the gaps, fix the problems with the job and people will return / go into those fields.

[@yoshyoka]

Far right, far right, far right… hell I voted left all my life but am concerned about uncontrolled migration, so, according to the current narrative I must be a far right extremist. I am sick and tired of this tone!

[@karo2090]

Calling citizens far-right and importing illegal culturally alien migrants shows that the media and politicians don't care about their own citizens

[@luisostasuc8135]

And of course this isn't the only issue that leftist authoritarians(yes they do exist lol) have turned into a black and white, take no prisoners issue. Even environmentism, a place where farmers and city people can agree on (farmers don't like erosion and having their water poisoned by bad practices from the megacorp upstream) the other differences for some reason make it impossible for these leftists to compromise and be humble.

[@jpp1960]

When europe left adopts an anti-migration stand then the far right parties will be diluted (like what happened in denmark). Then Europe will be saved from populists.

[@Mosern1977]

Yeah, there is nothing far-right about anti-immigration at all. Just look to Denmark, where the social-democrats adopted harsh anti-illegal-immigration measures, and basically vaporized the entire "far right". In Sweden, the opposite strategy was used. They ignored, nazi-painted and shunned their "far right" until it grow so big and their problems so large, that they will now need decades to sort their shit out, while the "far right" party is second biggest party in the country.

[@EricTD1995]

Well, far leftists created the problem. They care only about power for themselves.

[@maartenb100]

Spain looks favorably on migrants because by far most of them come from Latin America, who all speak the language, are well educated and have similar culture. That’s the one and only reason. The change is because now half of north Africa is tryimg to get to Spain resulting in the same problems we see in other countries. That’s the real reasons.

[@EarhirX]

I don't have data to back it up but I am most certain that Latin American immigration has got to be mostly legal, therefore it has already passed a lot of checks from the government, like having skills, a job, language and money to support yourself, maybe even a family, whereas most of African immigration has got to be illegal, bypassing all those checks.

[@maartenb100]

@@EarhirX You’re right. The article was about acceptance of immigrants, and although many are still tolerant about illegals, that number is rapidly shrinking because the illegals from Africa, middle east and asia are misbehaving here in Spain as they do everywhere. Not all of course.

[@EarhirX]

@@maartenb100 I follow a couple of Spanish KZbinrs and they complain a lot about incidents with immigrants and crime rising because of them. It’s bad because in my opinion it’s leading to xenophobia, but the thing is that most illegals immigrants are already doing bad stuff in their home countries and then go on and do bad stuff in other countries, but the people that stay back are the actual good ones, so you get a kind of self fulfilling bias. Most immigrants you see are bad, because the good ones don’t immigrate. It’s sad to me because I have a friend from Spain that’s been hyping it up for sometime and I really want to visit Spain but between the immigrant rejection and the thing that happened in Catalonia with tourists, I am hesitant to visit

[@ManPodcast-tj8le]

Why do you foreigners like to use the word Latin American so much instead of Ibero-American? Forget Brazil and I hope that within this word it is not included.

[@maartenb100]

@@ManPodcast-tj8le Because that’s what we foreigners like to do. Also because Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Spanish speaking south Americans cal themselves “latinos”.

[@littlerick3458]

Swiss style migration is the best solution. Regulated migration based on the needs of a country, with a commitment of x years prior granting nationality. It isn't difficult to put together, I don't understand why they make it so bloody difficult.

[@shauncameron8390]

Bureaucracy and too many vested interests.

[@WealthyJester98]

You know very well why. EVERYONE in Europe knows why.

[@logangonzalez-patton3121]

Why?

[@Burito-tj5ry]

@@logangonzalez-patton3121 crime and unemployement

[@rice4550]

Europeans inner fascist gets triggered whenever they see a brown person on tv

[@JackSparrowTheCAPTAIN]

J3WS

[@VYZD846]

🤫

[@Mosern1977]

The good thing about these videos, are the comment section. Because you will always get locals to explain the finer details, and if the TLDR team missed something important. In this case, it seems to have missed the point of Latin immigrants vs. African immigrants. So thank you comment section.

[@Felix-rw2et]

I live in Spain and the migrants from Latin America integrate very well into Spanish society, especially Argentinians. On the other hand migrants from Morocco and Algeria do not integrate into Spanish society well.

[@justal8582]

As a young person from the Canary Islands, I do not mind when they come here and contribute to the economy and accept our culture and ideals, our issue is the increase in crime rates while casually the rates in the countries those migrants come from decreases. At first people came here escaping conflict but due to the government ruling with “looking good policy” they now come to take advantage of it and hurt more than they help.

[@lordsergio6615]

Se llama buenismo

[@elcultomatematico3922]

The biggest reason why Spaniards are proimmigrant: Most non Europeans are from Latin America. In Spain the three main types of immigrants are: 1. Europeans, 2. Latin Americans, 3. North Africans. There is not much immigration from Asia and although immigration from SubSaharan Africa is increasing, it is still small compared to the first three. Anyone who knows about Spanish and Latin American culture knows that they are highly compatible. Of course there are some problems, but nothing comparable with immigrants from North Africa.

[@seriekekomo]

Being a Spaniard is having the best country in the world and yet the worst political class. The whole migration thing is been conducted based on capital interest and not people's interest. Plus, it is not moral to import poor people to exploit them here for cheap labor. This modern form of colonialism is racist.

[@Ennio444]

You misunderstand capitalism and the welfare state. The government does not import poor migrants, they come willingly and the governnent allows many to stay. They look for a job, and they find the jobs the business owners want to give them. If anything, the government probably offers these migrants too much aid. As for welfare state, you must know that your future pensions and government spenditure in health, education and everything else depend on a steady population working and paying taxes, but the spanish birth rate is barely 1.2, not enough to keep the population steady. What will do the trick? Allowing migrants to cone in. Orban's Hungary nativist policies clearly show that incentives to young families don't really work (not well enough), and the truth of the matter is that modern capitalist society does not encourage people to have children, and until the robots do all the hard work, we need to find ways to keep our population stable.

[@Bermeslivre]

Then why don't you demand higher compensation and labor security instead of closing borders?

[@Tespri]

It was even proven by japanese economists that migration isn't even benefitial in capital sense. It's just making situation worse and thing that makes things worse is... welfare state. It's a ponzi scheme and new migrants just bring new recipiants now and in future.

[@marcosa2000]

I think we would need much less immigration if the jobs in sectors like agriculture were filled by Spaniards. Yet we don't want to work there on average. Wouldn't it be better for this left-wing government to try to improve wages and working conditions if the desire is to decrease immigration? Not that I personally think migration is bad for Spain, just curious about your reasoning

[@Ennio444]

@@marcosa2000 The government cannot really influence prices or wages that much in a free market economy. How is the remarkadly left wing government going to take on Mercadona and other food retailers paying farmers pennies on the dollar for tomatoes? And if wages increase for the agriculture sector, prices for agriculture produce increase too. The retailer thay pays more to farmers will see most of his customers leave for cheaper outlets. Competition, you see. I don't know the solution, but I know the problem. It's capitalism. And under capitalism, market forces will always make the cheapest, most convenient option win over more ethical, more costly options.

[@oliwierbroda2575]

I love that even centrist and slightly right wing parties are labeled here as far right.

[@soarel325]

Explicitly white nationalist parties are simply "centrist and slightly right wing" to you?

[@oliwierbroda2575]

@@soarel325 I didn't say that to Spanish video but on average they call polish populist center far right, same in Czech's case and balkan nations and also I would argue that in Sweden it is the same.

[@oliwierbroda2575]

@@soarel325 your attitude tells me everything.

[@soarel325]

@@oliwierbroda2575 parties whose central platform is white nationalism are far right, or at the very least hard-right. Sure, a lot of the other policies parties advocate are accepting of liberal democracy and not that far to the right, but the central issue they all campaign on is white nationalism

[@ferran8252]

Vox is a far right party because it follows almost every aspect of Franco's dictatorship

[@alvarocarrazon4800]

It is cultural. Historically we always were more inclusive compared to other western countries but soon there will be a turning point like in the rest of Europe. It is a matter of time.

[@jaimeperalta4641]

A Spaniard's opinion: 1. Latin Americans have never been considered foreigners in Spain and 2. It is very easy to make speeches in favor of immigration if Morocco does the dirty work for you...

[@jasonhaven7170]

What about Black Latin Americans

[@jaimeperalta4641]

@@jasonhaven7170 First of all, it should be noted that the issue of race is not as important here as in English-speaking countries. In Latin America as in Spain, whites are not so white (it is southern Europe) and blacks are not so black, but rather they are all quite mixed. Secondly, what is essential is not that, but rather it is cultural: Latin Americans have the same language, the same Catholic culture, they celebrate the same holidays as the Spanish. Dominicans and Cubans are just as well integrated as the rest of Latin Americans, and people from North Africa, who have a very similar physical appearance to the Spanish, integrate quite poorly, as in all of Europe.

[@archafromdmc]

Bro we literally have a slur for them be fr rn

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@archafromdmc Don't use AAVE

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@jaimeperalta4641 What about Equatorial Guineans?

[@ogbkballa]

Latin america is a huge reason also hispanoamericans have a much easier path to citizenship

[@lunchtime2960]

The Spanish fought for hundreds of years to keep islam out of Europe. They should honor their ancestors and keep ot that way.

[@JoaoSantos-ur1gg]

I didn't know Ceuta or Melilla were in Europe.

[@kingofracism]

​@@JoaoSantos-ur1ggtechnically all of north Africa is European

[@alejandroalonso5386]

@@JoaoSantos-ur1ggalso La Sahara occidental no es marruecos

[@Hudpix16]

@@JoaoSantos-ur1ggthey belong to Spain, same as French Caledonia in the pacific belongs to France despite its location.

[@fernandoperez8587]

Amen!

[@rodrigofernandezmattos1583]

Because he got a bollocking from the EU, 24 hours before going to Brussels Pedro Sanchez was saying the opposite.😂

[@Senor_Elegante]

Not surprising a lot of this sentiment comes from Catalonia... For years Catalan pro-independence parties refused to take migrants from Latin American countries in favour of African and Asian ones with the idea of having them speak only Catalan instead of the Spanish Latin Americans would have brought with them… how the turntables or something.

[@anthonymanderson7671]

They should have seen that coming but they didn't.

[@giantorres3352]

Yh lol, they complained that latin americans did not want to learn catalan, and only wanted to speak spanish. Know they are paying the consequences of chosing another type of immigration.

[@Nogoodalvarez]

It is also happening in countries like Uruguay, Paraguay, Costa Rica and Colombia with immigration. The same thing happened in the United States and their people do not care about the problems of Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela and Latin American countries, both Democrats and Republicans do not care about having immigration reform and the problem is that immigration is such a big problem for the United States that Americans unfortunately support a mass deportation of immigrants from all over the world including black, Asian, indigenous, white and Hispanic Americans. They support that policy, unfortunately we do not have money to support immigrants coming to the country we cannot even take care of Americans living in poverty, inequality, crime, racism, problems with the criminal justice system and the health system. The same thing happens with American territories seen as second class citizens. And also it is not only Haitians and Central Americans but also Cubans and Venezuelans who have a political, social and economic crisis that is happening there in those countries. But do not emigrate to Chile or the United States, Brazil, Canada, Peru and Mexico, those countries have many problems migrating to countries like Uruguay, Paraguay, Guyana, Trinidad and Tobago, Belize, Suriname, Costa Rica and Panama. There is now a program so that migrants, when they show up at the border between the United States and Mexico, can apply or can be taken to go to Spain, Italy and Canada between those governments. In the future, if Cuba, Bolivia, Honduras, Peru, Nicaragua, Haiti and Venezuela fall into chaos, unrest, civil war or collapse, many refugees will migrate to Jamaica and other countries in the Caribbean and Latin America and the migration crisis will be worse than the other waves of Cubans in the region. And, the entire world. Immigration is always being used as a weapon. And Bolivians, Hondurans, Cubans, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans, Haitians and Peruvians will also have to migrate to places like the Dominican Republic, Belize and other places in Latin America and the Caribbean or European countries if the United States, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Brazil close their doors to immigration from the region in the future.

[@robbie31580]

Why is he categorizing anyone anti immigration as "far right"?

[@Emerald_Forge]

There are basically no far right parties that like immigration? Not the other way round

[@juanestebanaliaga1065]

Because he's is stating facts

[@Emerald_Forge]

@@robbie31580 they're further right than the establishment and practically all FR parties don't like immigrants due to protectionism or racism

[@Emerald_Forge]

@@robbie31580 your thinking is backwards, it's like saying why is he catagorising all green crunchy apples as granny apples when that's the requirement to be a granny apple,

[@Alex.af.Nordheim]

2:34 This is a really important reason imo. I just don't think mass migration works with a welfare state, you have to choose one

[@meferswift]

@@Alex.af.Nordheim it could if your welfare are the canadian type, specifically the maid type.

[@adtastic1533]

​​@@meferswiftI think Canadians should try having a southern border with Mexico before they get high and mighty about immigration. Australia and NZ seem to be v tolerant of immigrants too but none of them have to deal with the same type of unrestricted flows as Europe or the US. It's easy when you can pick and choose the doctors and engineers and are not forced to take the dregs because you are protected geographically.

[@AI-qd4vb]

@@adtastic1533 its also easy when you didnt historically screw your neighbours for centuries...

[@IloveTide1997]

it doesnt work at all, let alone with a welfare state

[@SneedSeeding]

@@adtastic1533 Australia has had massive immigrant inflows (in the millions when you total it all up) in the past few years and it's the major reason housing prices currently are awful there. In fact, migration is a major reason in the West for rent and housing going up so much. I wish more of the left would follow suit with Spain, being anti-migrant is more about protecting their own economic interests as workers for most people at the end of the day instead of being bigoted. In fact, letting right wing parties monopolize the issue is a self-fulfilling prophecy of creating more racists as a major issue harming just about everyone who's not loaded goes unaddressed and even flat out denied by most mainstream center and left parties.

[@mckiwen]

Spaniard here, most migrants tend to integrate in Spanish society but there is a particular group that does not want to learn Spanish, does not want to integrate and does not want to have anything in common with Spain. They even are so entitled that they do not consider themselves as inmigrant; even though they're the 4th largest inmigrant population in the country. Of course I'm talking about British. The 4th largest inmigrant community in Spain and largely the one that does the least to integrate in the country.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Based

[@MrFalut]

They're not immigrants, they're "expats" lol

[@FJ1499]

​@jasonhaven7170 that Is not based, brit migrants may suck but they are not changing Spanish demographics, they do not murder, rape ,okupy homes.

[@Bdbtg28691]

Brits typically don't integrate. It's why places like Gibraltar, the Falklands and Northern Ireland exist.

[@whatelse1222]

El problema no vienne del Norte pero del Sud.

[@kaunas888]

The PP is not a right wing party. It is center-left or at most center. PSOE is far left, while Vox is center right.

[@covadongadoradomayordomo3047]

Because if the dictator doesn't change his view, he loses his dictatorship..

[@nervsouly]

All these videos "why European country xyz is against immigration now" are so pointless. The reason for it is the same everywhere: After over a decade of trying to integrate a large number of Muslim men into society, people started to realize they were being too optimistic and the cons outweight the benefits. And since this is the hot topic of the moment in all media every politician desperately tries to prove action so the voter hopefully remembers him/her next election. But unlike the immigrants, this trend will go away again at some point, when a new emergency crisis takes up the spotlight in the news and politicians will run after that instead.

[@johnhughes2124]

I imagine that there is also pressure from the EU as well, given that its easier to move within the EU once you have legal status within one country.

[@Burito-tj5ry]

@@luisgongod illegal migrants dont care

[@terra7066]

@@luisgongod Like if they care about the legalities , the north African , Indian , Pakistani , Bangladeshi , etc , that are in Portugal entered through the Spanish border not through the Portuguese airports and ports. Portuguese male model from Moldovan parents , Tiago Danu , was killed in the streets by two Swedish men , 5 month before they were just Syrian refugees in Sweden.

[@stephenclark9917]

Lots of UK migrants in Spain, only they call themselves ex-pats.

[@kingofracism]

Spain can't deport them, it would be racist. The British people who do not integrate deserve respect too

[@AnyoneCanSee]

Why aren't the Islamic nations that don't allow citizenship for non-Muslims described as "far-right." My sister's children were born and raised in Dubia and are now adults but can never become citizens. Why isn't that far right? They don't want people with different cultural beliefs voting to radically change their societies. If a Brit said that they'd be arrested.

[@kemalistdevrimturkaydnlanm168]

Türkiye under Erdogan regime, calling for all Muslim countries citizens: subjects nationwide to immigrate and become Turkish citizens, in a few years he gained about 20 million Arabs from all Arabic speaking countries, Pakistan, Muslim Africa, you name it. Same regime, calling educated Turkish to get lost as they won’t vote for Erdogan the western and eastern puppet. All education Turkish now immigrants to Germany, The UK and Scandinavian countries filling all the jobs advertised targeting mainly Turkish educated people. For instance Germany actively requires doctors, nurses, Scandinavians request computer scientists etc.

[@kemalistdevrimturkaydnlanm168]

Türkiye under Erdogan regime, calling for all Muslim countries citizens: subjects nationwide to immigrate and become Turkish citizens, in a few years he gained about 20 million Arabs from all Arabic speaking countries, Pakistan, Muslim Africa, you name it. Same regime, calling educated Turkish to get lost as they won’t vote for Erdogan the western and eastern puppet. All education Turkish now immigrants to Germany, The UK and Scandinavian countries filling all the jobs advertised targeting mainly Turkish educated people. For instance Germany actively requires doctors, nurses, Scandinavians request computer scientists etc. I certainly agree with your statement about the Arab government’s who still applies slave laws against foreigners. Even if you are born there you will never be allowed to be a citizen as well as if you are not from G7 countries, you need an Arab who is in the position of a slave owner,you will be working under his supervision, he will have a cut of your income. Poor Philippine peoples etc passports taken away and they work considered as a slave. My friend who is Turkish British were given a salary which was one third of an English counterparts in Dubai, when questioned, they were told that they were not British but Turkish, therefore they will be paid one third of the salary of English colleagues .

[@washimpatwary1446]

Because they are not far right, they are autocratic. No one calls middle east liberal, democratic or free. It's like saying why Sweden is called far left but the Soviet Union or China or Cuba called far left

[@josh2482]

"Why aren't the Islamic nations that don't allow citizenship for non-Muslims described as far-right." LOL because they ARE. Saudi Arabia and Iran are OFTEN described as far-right theocracies. I am American, and when Republicans say they want god in school or any restriction on women's rights, the most common retort is that "you want to turn this country into Iran/Saudi Arabia." Perhaps leave your echo chamber from time to time?

[@shauncameron8390]

@@josh2482 Yet Iran is supported by the far-left.

[@solschwarz5169]

I don't know about Spain, but in Northern and western Europe there's a rampant problem with radical islamisation, violence, rape and general lack of willingness to integrate

[@davereynolds3403]

perhaps this is politics rather than cultural ? in 1983 we were told that irish catholics hated irish protestants and there was a religious and cultural war. turns out as soon as the british army left, they all went back to being irish and it all went away… same with israelis and palestinians 🤷🏽‍♂️ remove the government and create a secular state and everyone (who stays…) will get along fine 🤷🏽‍♂️ perhaps immigrants aren’t the problem as much as governments ?

[@anthonymanderson7671]

Some people on the left would ignore this.

[@rev6101]

Getting worse in Spain as well

[@OrangeNash]

@@davereynolds3403 I think you're assuming cause and effect a lot more simplistic than it actually was in Ireland. And far far more simplistic than in the Middle East, where the different sects have been blowing each other up for centuries, regardless of government. Also, Hamas, similar to other radical Islamists, are violently opposed to secularism in general. It's why they have come to exist and grow in the first place.

[@malogibeaux4946]

@@OrangeNash they grew because of the oppression of Isreal. When you are actively assaulted and oppressed by someone or something, anyone fighting them becomes more liekable. Especially if your situation is already precarious, radical ideologies grow best in ruins.

[@rodroesp]

Again, so common sense is now "far right"?

[@edp76wr]

As a lot of people commented, its a HUGE mistake to not mention that large numbers of people who migrated to Spain, come from hispanic countries, same language, close culture and above all of this, CATHOLICS.

[@urpina13]

We are not as catholics as you think we are...

[@QuantumNoir]

​@@urpina13Hispanics are probably more catholics than Spaniards and Italians at this point

[@Valentina.Montano]

@@urpina13 most of us are, El Salvdor has 80% catholic, maybe you aren't but don't say the same about the rest of us.

[@edp76wr]

​@@urpina13 Actually i was thinking more about a cultural catholic background when i wrote that.

[@Paocean17]

​@@urpina13while a lot are not practicants, catholicism is integrated in the culture

[@lawunscripted]

Being anti-immigration is not/should not be a controversial opinion. It is only controversial because legacy media had tried (and succeeded) to label it as such. Europeans have the right to say who they will invite in their house. Don't try to shame us for that.

[@marvin2678]

Facts, brother

[@Omroqurba]

Why do you lie? 😂 Legacy media is all day putting the blame on immigrants and you literally have this opinion because of legacy media. Do you think you are different for being racist?

[@lightningstrike5024]

but then you get mad about it because not because of any legitimate reason but instead because of the colour of their skin, language or culture

[@SaraTansey]

Culture IS a VERY legitimate reason to have a problem with immigration. I have seen first hand how certain peoples’ “culture” has impacted women’s freedom, safety and sense of wellbeing. Please stop acting as though having a problem with a culture that has a completely different set of values / way of life is the same as being racist.

[@lightningstrike5024]

@@SaraTansey it still does not over right the law though, if youre getting into that territory thats a legal matter not a cultural one

[@kostaftp]

Todos los hermanos de Latino América son bienvenidos aquí. Trabajadores duros, buena gente y siempre alegres. El problema es con otro tipo de inmigración con la que no compartimos ningún rasgo cultural y que parecen no tener ningún tipo de interés en integrarse. No puedes ir a casa de alguien e intentar implementar tus normas.

[@mrccoz6129]

Spain has no extreme right, if vox is extreme right then france is a kingdom.

[@kaunas888]

The change in attitudes is very simple: a little bit from the 3rd world can usually be tolerated...while a lot becomes a real problem.

[@GXSergio]

How many times did you said franco? It is really a nowadays theme, really?

[@Mosern1977]

A country's history is part of its cultural identity, and will to some degree affect the way it does things today.

[@MiguelPerez-ij1ry]

There is an error in the map which shows where the agreements between the PP and VOX to govern are. It is not Castilla la Mancha, but Castilla y León. Nice video ❤

[@spadaacca]

1:52 Your 2017 barometer is vastly outdated. This was nearly 8 years ago. The EU’s perception of migrants has completely changed in the past decade. For example those numbers in the Nordics, or even France are dramatically higher, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same in Spain.

[@Kurainuz]

Tons of people are anti inmigration nowadays in spain, due to both real issues and fake ones pushed by russian trolls and far right. Its undeniable that inmigration needs more controls and there are some problems with it, specially the part where if you give birth here the kid becomes spaniard, thousands of adults entering the country by posing as minors and a lot of minors arriving to airport and being left there to be taken by the spanish state. But each time there is any violence you can see how most comments are asking if the guy was non white or if he was a "non ham eater", and even when its not they try to push the fake agenda, with tons of fake news of murders rpes and similar Gangs are also on the rise and a lot of people say that that is because of inmigration, when most of said gang members are spanish for generations. Also there is something called MENA, with means minors that arrive without a guardian, they get sent usually to some centers that are almost a youth detention center, with really bad controls leading to abuses and the minors comiting crimes. This issues be it true, fake, or mixed has made that a lot of people see inmigration as a big problem, and its behind pedro sanchez turn.

[@vommir.]

1:53 This graph needs an update from 2024 stats. I doubt Sweden is that low now, same with Portugal.

[@DudeWatIsThis]

Sánchez does literally 48 hour u-turns on everything and anything if it means holding to power for a few more months, so this is completely unsurprising.

[@dmacarthur5356]

Universal modus operandi of all socialist politicians.

[@Albert24346]

Good, because I don't trust people who never change their mind.

[@DudeWatIsThis]

@@Albert24346 Lmao. Tell me your name is pronounced "Albért" instead of "Álbert" without telling me your name is pronounced "Albért" instead of "Álbert".

[@Albert24346]

@@DudeWatIsThis Most people call me Álber, but I don't know why that'd mean anything at all. Albért would be ok too, who cares? You're so ignorant and narrow minded, it's embarrassing.

[@PossibleBat]

He’s so handsome tho

[@SDDT24]

Everywhere in Europe is and for good reason

[@extrapolate]

Why? They bring such peaceful culture with zero grapes and homicid3s. Sharia is peaceful!

[@petermelang6695]

Nah man. Xenophobia because of some assholes isn't a valid reason.

[@SDDT24]

@@extrapolateyeah I’m sure those boys who were attacked playing football in Spain recently love their new diversity

[@Jajalaatmaar]

@@petermelang6695 Problems caused by migration are, though. Trying to address those isn't racism. Not addressing them leads to more racism.

[@SDDT24]

@@petermelang6695yeah keep pretending it’s a non issue with your head in the sand

[@filipborch-solem1354]

Mass islamic (Ummah) immigration is anti socialist and anti nationalist at the same time.

[@GuarinoPablo]

Very well done! You inform even better than our own journalists.

[@deckard5pegasus673]

You say that Spanish immigrants don't receive benefits. I can tell you first hand that is not true. I know someone who rented an apartment to immigrants who did not speak spanish from northern africa, and asked for proof of work. They showed that they were receiving 1700€ every month in aid from the government. Most normal spanish people earn 1200€ to 1500€ for a full time job.

[@deckard5pegasus673]

@@Del-n3m Yes 100% from the Spanish Government. - 'prestación económica de la seguridad social', oscillating between about 1650€ up to 1900€ every month, and they showed proof of the last 2 years. The spanish government even makes it easier for people from south/central american origin. I know another colombian couple in my building, neither works, they have a new car, pay rent, etc. In this latter example I have no direct proof like the first example, but I can imagine.

[@adtastic1533]

IMHO opinion it comes down to the type of immigrants Spain has. A lot of Latinos, not many Muslims.

[@mousamoradi3038]

I am an immigrant (skilled worker) in Spain. I come from an Islamic country and I am an ex-muslim and I don't carry any of the values or beliefs of my country or previous religion with myself. I am trying my best to respect this country and its values, contribute to its economy, get integrated into its society, adapt myself with Spanish way of life and I'm investing my life in this country to one day get its citizenship. Yet it is heart breaking to hear such a saying from Vox to "stop giving citizenship to those coming from Islamic countries"! I understand that they think if the percentage of people of contradicting values increase, there will be problems in the future in regard to the society, democracy and Spanish way of life, and you want to reduce risks, but please find a better way to distinguish them, than just simply looking at their place of birth or passport and assuming something.

[@SargBjornson]

Fuck Vox, they are a shitstain. I accept you hermano, bienvenido

[@sumiben5211]

I am an ex muslim too (not living in Spain though ) but still can’t deny that a large Muslim migration is a problem to me too since these people tend to keep the same radical anti women and anti lgbt way of the thinking. I haven’t fled my country to just find them in large number wherever I go still threatening my existence in the same way. Something should be done about Muslim migration and the presence of Islam in the west. The current situation is not good either.

[@sarenartanis1752]

The spaniards are burn it with their political class. I think one method to change that view about the migrants from islamic countries it's help them to take them out their political class. PSOE, PP, podemos, Junts, Vox are lead by the worst politicians in all world. The spaniards can be the most friendly people in world but they can become to cult followers cause by politics.

[@eneas9038]

Como español te pido disculpas y no te preocupes que si gobiernan PP y Vox no van a cambiar nada significativo en inmigracion y nacionalidad, solo hacen ruido para ver si asi consiguen movilizar votos. Lo malo es que con el ruido y la noticia de vez en cuando de X inmigrante ha cometido un crimen os meten a todos en el mismo saco y puede que algun tarado se envalentone y quiera montar alguna escenita confrontando contigo. Tu si ya has renunciado al islam (todas las religiones son una caca pero esta huele fuerte😂) y lo tienes tan claro todo eres prácticamente español, no te rayes ❤

[@randomhuman2595]

People can change their values over time

[@VP-mf8gi]

The reason why I think that anti-immigration sentiment is growing in Catalonia is mainly due to the fear of Catalan citizens and pro-independence people that through large influxes of immigration the Catalan identity can be diluted, an identity that is in a very critical moment due to the arrival of so many people from other parts of Spain and places in Latin America. People who generally don't bother to integrate into Catalan culture or to learn the Catalan language because they are not aware of or do not want to be aware of the difference between Catalonia and Spain in terms of culture/history/linguistics/identity. This, together with the frustration after the declaration of independence in 2017, can help to understand the irruption and sudden growth of the more far-right Catalan Alliance party. (With this, I hope to be able to provide some context on the change in the immigrant sentiment in Catalonia.)

[@aguspuig6615]

As a Catalan, i wish we could just go independent, take our borders seriously while still trying to help as many immigrants as possible, and then slowly become one of those cool small competenet european countries like Denmark

[@jabato9779]

Independence sentiment is in decline in Catalonia.

[@MrAlen6e]

This is basically the same sentiment in Quebec Canada.

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

You didn’t provide any context using far right there is no far right

[@antonijaume8498]

@@archyarchfiendx2938 Far-right always exists, it is just that in good times it is less noticeable.

[@nicovinas]

This is one of the worst analysis I have ever seen.. There are different kinds of migrants. The majority of migrants Spain usually got were Hispanics of the same values, lenguage and culture. People going back and forth bewteeen Spain and the America's goes back 600 years. The new wave of migrants is not these people. How racist is TLDR to put everyone under the same umbrella.

[@VYZD846]

Ironically, they refuse to name and single out those new immigrants out of fear of being called “racist”

[@kingofracism]

What's wrong with racism?

[@kingofracism]

Secondly, you will not do anything. I'm from the united kingdom and Latin American migrants are worse for Europe than others including Muslims. Muslims will help Europe become strong again. Latin Americans will rob us all.

[@JosephSolisAlcaydeAlberici]

If Spain wants to accept immigrants coming from a non-EU and non-Spanish speaking country, they should prioritize accepting Filipino immigrants en masse, who are way more high-skilled and assimilable than Moroccans. To make it possible, the Spanish government should pressure its Filipino counterparts to reinstate Spanish as a medium of instruction in the Philippine education system (primary, secondary, and tertiary levels).

[@kdjxnxnnxnfnfnf]

i agree

[@PeanutH34d]

That's a high order given the fact that since the spanish-american war the US has kept the philipines within thier area of influence and use it as theur own source of cheap yet trained labor. That being said philipines residents do already have the benefit of laxer requirements for residency and work permits due to it being a former spanish colony.

[@sploster938]

yeah problem is the Philippinesis a world away

[@TheGahta]

Are there Filipinos lining up to go there or is this a wishful comparing two things that aren't a choice? And how you think they can pressure them 😂 Always funny to hear people talk about foreign policy like they talk to santa 😂

[@FlamencoOz]

Filipinos would make great immigrants.... certainly in Australia they are great. Work hard, friendly, etc

[@mimamo]

All of Europe, except maybe Poland and Hungary, are open and very welcoming to migration. That is migration of skilled workers that are willing to integrate into society and become a model citizen. Then there are migrants of North Africa and the Middle East who in large numbers migrate straight into social security systems, they do not integrate and they spread crime and terror. That is unfortunately the kind of migration that is plaguing Europe for the past decade now. It's no wonder Europeans have had enough of this and more and more countries see migration in general as a negative.

[@mementomori9790]

You're not completely right about Hungary and Poland. They are only ones vocal about not willing to accept people from ME and North Africa, which are mostly Muslim. In Poland for example, you have, at least, two million Ukrainians, at this point.

[@Duck-wc9de]

So, Spain didnt hate migrants because they were to busy hating other spaniards? 😂

[@banjotiki3910]

basically yes

[@Xero026]

I wish channels would stop asking for subscriptions at the beginning of each video

[@geoffc1694]

Been against illegal immigration is NOT a default 'far-right' Its as senseless as calling any left leaning body stalinists

[@joelcoll4034]

When Sanchez became PM the first thing he did was welcome a boat with a lot of illegal immigrants rescued from the Mediterranean. This is a big change in tone

[@Evemeister12]

Spain doesn’t want to end up like sweden or germany.

[@joaquincimas1707]

Hahahahahahha You think Spain have less migrants than Germany or Sweden? Could be in 2015, not anymore. I live in Valencia downtown, 40% of my building are migrants, most of the shops are run by migrants. Most of the people you see on the streets are migrants. *With migrants i try to say that they where born outside or some of their parents or grandfathers were migrants. They could, and most of em are, spaniards. So, no, we are already like Sweden or Germany, with our differences.

[@kingofracism]

Way too late for that😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@marcosfernandez7145]

It is incredible that my president goes to African countries looking for workers when the unemployment rate is one of the highest in Europe, especially among young people.

[@HusseinDoha]

Because left wing socialist love to lie to themselves to avoid doing what’s necessary, which is to process and deport those who are not authorised to stay. -- The faster residency for Latin Americans is ridiculous and it actually creating problems for the EU. They can apply for citizenship even before they can get their residency papers (2 years waiting period). Then they can roam around the EU and apply for work in it using their new Spanish citizenship, that makes Spain look awful. Soon, Spain will not be able to cope with the numbers, regardless of specific source and background of migrants. Furthermore, handing citizenship to children of Spaniards who live abroad, regardless of the length of time the parent/s have lived in Spain is creating troubles. Now multiple generations can live e abroad and claim citizenship. Last year 75% of new citizenship was handed to people who live abroad.

[@HydenGuitarPlayer]

The highest actually ☝️

[@JBAG1969]

Very few native Spanish would lower themselves to work the kinds of jobs the migrants fill. ¿A ti te apetece recoger fresas? I didn't think so.

[@jesusyvictoria]

@@JBAG1969 Exactly, the jobs that many migrants do are the jobs that the spanish, or europeans in general don't want to do. The problem in Spain is the lack of high profile jobs for a large number of population with university studies, not the migrants that get low paid jobs

[@MegaRBN14]

@@JBAG1969 Native spanish people don't do those jobs because of shitty labour conditions. Maybe if bussiness owners weren't looking for slave labour they would get more workers. But instead of improving workers' conditions, they want inmigrants who won't complain because they can't afford to when they get treated as slaves.

[@TheSilverphoenix88]

I find it rich that a country like Spain be opposed to immigration when they traveled and settled in other parts of the world without the natives' permission. And after that, they forced the locals to assimilate to their culture, religion, and language by force. Bunch of hypocrites!!

[@Merry19ss]

No cariño, los Españoles solo aceptan a gente Hispana de todo este planeta y otros europeos .

[@GeorgeBark]

Spaniard here. Don’t know if this has been mentioned before but the visual of the map where PP-VOX has regional government is mistaken, it colours “Castilla-La Mancha” (SE from Madrid) and that region is govern by PSOE. The one coloured should be “Castilla-León (NW from Madrid).

[@Minimmalmythicist]

I´m not sure it´s much of a u-turn, in fact Sanchez hasn´t been that different on migration from Rajoy. In fact, Sanchez has received some criticism from his left, as has his partner in Sumar, for not cancelling the harsh border policies in Ceuta and Melilla. Really, I´m sick of the far right trope, that European countries have "open borders", they don´t. And yes, no measure is 100% effective and there is an argument to say that we actually make things like integration worse by not liberalising the system, causing people to stay underground and rely on people smugglers.

[@BlackDiamondYoutub]

Right yeah. Trying to sign a deal to bring in and regularize 250.000 Mauritanians is totally anti-immigration. Keep living in imagination world man

[@Minimmalmythicist]

@@Del-n3m This simply isn´t true. In fact, it was actually Aznar who passed the only general immigration amnesty in Spain´s history. Also, I can certainly remember people being racist against Latinos. The fact is that on border policy, in practice there simply isn´t a lot of difference between the PSOE and the PP. The PP aren´t as right wing as some of their supporters want them to be on that issue. The PSOE aren´t as left wing as some of their supporters want them to be on that issue.

[@Beelzebunge]

I don't know exactly who's running these channels, but they all say the same thing. There is no u turn. The orders are the same.

[@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK]

7:29 ah look at all those women and children fleeing a conflict zone..... Oh wait....

[@Ennio444]

Did you ask them?

[@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK]

@@Ennio444 Ask who? All those burly blokes?

[@SusCalvin]

It depends on the risk of the trip. When the risk is higher, there are less elderly and kids. If you want to work abroad and send money home, you do not bring your family along.

[@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK]

@@SusCalvin True. Pretty sure anyone wanting to work legit wouldn't travel like this anyhoo.

[@SusCalvin]

@@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK The government says anyone working for a working class wage is a suspicious parasite. Work becomes secondary when culture becomes important. Unions usually dislike unorganized labour, foreign or not.

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

The video failed to explain WHY people in Spain don't want any more migrants. The comments seems to agree it is because African migrants integrate poorly, this issue should have been investigated and explained properly. The video should have answered these questions: 1. What types of immigration Spain has? 2. What do Spaniards dislike about imigration? How are percieved different types of immigration? Which types people want to stop? 3. Are those percieved problems with immigration based on facts? How well do different types of migrants integrate in Spanish society? What are their crime rates and their employment rates? How are the second and third generations of immigrants doing? Without answering these questions, the video is quite useless.

[@alexloopdesign]

The main change towards the immigration is due to the fact that southamerican immigration comes to Spain to work and to be integrated while most of the northafrican immigration are comming just requresting money help and causing criminal issues.

[@JamesPhieffer]

Spain is having a similar problem to Canada. An immigration friendly nation that has seen rapid growth in migration levels lead to diminishing enthusiasm for what has been virtually unrestricted immigration levels. It doesn't mean a permanent shift. More of a shift to more reasonable levels seen in the early part of the century.

[@elcultomatematico3922]

The biggest reason why Spaniards are proimmigrant: Most non Europeans are from Latin America. In Spain the three main types of immigrants are: 1. Europeans, 2. Latin Americans, 3. North Africans. There is not much immigration from Asia and although immigration from SubSaharan Africa is increasing, it is still small compared to the first three. Anyone who knows about Spanish and Latin American culture knows that they are highly compatible. Of course there are some problems, but nothing comparable with immigrants from North Africa.

[@elcultomatematico3922]

In Canada, the majority of immigrants are Indians and Chinese, both of whom have very different cultures than Canadians.

[@miguelesturillovidal9777]

España, que es mí país, como el suyo, que es Canadá, tene el mísmo destino al igual que todo occidente caucásico y blanco; ser sustituido y destruido- Da igual a quién votes cada 4 años que ellos están mandados de arriba y manipulan con sus sistemas informáticos las elecciones para colocarlos. Ellos a su vez están gobernados por entes en la sombra sádicos, despiadados, y satánicos que quieren ahora desatar la III Guerra Mundial como sea. Ahora ya van necesitando incluso reclutar o llamar a filas a gente normal. Yo esoy encontrísima de que sigan entrando a mí país, sean quienes sean, pero no podemos hacer nada por defender lo nuestro salvo violencia. Un saludo

[@kai-qm6wm]

Many of us are still left wing and have not changed our opinions, we just notice how mass, uncontrolled migration is detrimentak to our society. All those rights we're proud of wnjoying, like LGBT rights or womens rights, are things many migrants are taking from us. Theres more crime, more harasament and more overall unsafety. One thing is to believe that society is better with personal freedom and solidarity towards the least fortunats, and another thing is to cater to outsiders who are currently trying to harm our home. Were tired of the discourse that Spain belongs to everyone and that everyone can do what they want with it. Spain is ours, its for Spaniards. Migrants are guests, and we cannot take anyone and everyone in

[@TokyoBalletReprise]

Agreed.

[@Hasanaljadid]

Not all migrants are guest my friend.Many of them are permanent

[@aguspuig6615]

Simple as. Im tired of being insantly lumped in with the far right when the overhwelming majority of my beliefs are in accoradnce to the left. Spain is for Spaniards, migrants are guests, who with time can become Spaniards, this mindset has nothing to do with race but with mindset, if they are willing to learn and adopt the language and cultural values they are just as much Spaniards as anyone else.

[@Amberxxbbunni]

How are migrants taking peoples rights?? I’m from England and the only people I’ve seen doing that are white Christian’s.

[@Burito-tj5ry]

@@Hasanaljadid if you are not a guest you are an occupier

[@r-pu4md]

Not all migrants are the same. We have problems mainly with North Africans, whose culture is incompatible with ours.

[@test19698]

Given the rapid change in public opinion on immigration across Europe in particular, statistics from 2017 (1:50) are simply outdated. This is not good journalism.

[@arxdeath773]

Your graph is wrong. Madrid is 7 million people and Barcelona is around 5 million people. The urbanization is the whole thing, you do not have to exclude some areas of the city because there’s a line.

[@getnohappy]

There are two elephants in the room that many on the left try to ignore when discussing mass migration: everyone* prefers their own culture and ways of doing things, no one* likes their society suddenly changing. I'm broadly pro migration, but find too many pretend the aforementioned two elephants don't exist and wonder why when migration is in the millions (especially from very different cultures, and especially when rhetoric on integration is seen as icky) that there is a backlash. As a number of comments have pointed out, previous migration to Spain was from culturally similar countries. *I'm sure this isn't you, gold star for being on one end of the Gaussian distribution curve, but 97.5% of the population aren't

[@EarhirX]

But it is so stupid that people immigrate to another country because they can't deal with how their own country is doing but they also want to take their shitty customs into that other country

[@malogibeaux4946]

What the fuck is "culture" exactly? It's always used to say "muslim bad" just how people in the past said "protestant bad" and "irish bad"

[@dloljoas]

Why is Spain so migrant fiendly? Because a good part of the migrants who come here are from the hispanic american countries, and they are just spanish people but with a different nationality.

[@raichi1959]

1:51 - 2017 barometer... would be more interesting to have numbers from this decade.

[@polyglot8]

In the late 90's when you said that only 2% were immigrants, I visited the small, ancient Catalonian mountain town of Vic to see the Cathedral and happened there on Market Day. Even then, it looked like it had been taken over by immigrants from the Maghreb.

[@isacnoel4326]

It's an anti-ilegal migration... not anti-migrant. Play on words is always a push of an agenda.

[@whitetiana3022]

lol is this guy seriously asking "why would spain do something like that" kid, do you think we want to end up like murca with endless racial tensions and identity politics? we can see how diversity is tearing them apart.

[@davidPP27]

We will have the same culture soon in 20-30 years, unless we get most migrants out of the EU. But unlike americans, the average good EU citizen wont have a chance to defend himself.

[@whitetiana3022]

@@davidPP27 blablabla i live in switzerland where we have more guns per capita than the US. not everywhere is the c@cked UK (also, white people invented guns. we're very good at being inventive when we need to)

[@ManPodcast-tj8le]

​@@davidPP27As if all the countries in this group were "developed", lol