West Coast, "reality rap" and how it watered down hip hop

[@Kimeikus]

Fantastic and educational breakdown. There were so many interesting points raised that I hadn’t considered. Especially 6:19 and 7:38 about how new art forms tend to become more naturalistic over time. One thing that makes this channel superior to other hiphop channels is that you actually care about the sciences and anthropology at play, and you pay attention to the patterns and trends within the genre over time as a whole.

[@tochiRTA]

thank you bruh!

[@Kimeikus]

@@tochiRTA You’re a real one 💯🙏🏾

[@mitchgoudreau7670]

Nas, Wu Tang, Biggie, Mobb Deep, Jay Z, Big L and Big Pun really brought that street essence that the West Coast had but brought the competitiveness to it like the old school NY rappers. Even De La Soul, Tribe, Redman, and Busta weren’t biggest street talkers in their raps but gave you that raw sound with great beats, rhymes, and competitiveness to the genre.

[@coolswag8130]

I love DMX’s approach to reality rap and it’s very interesting. DMX is one of my favorite rappers ever. Him talking about what’s going on around him in the streets, but also keeping that competitive energy and fly shit. Loved Stop Being Greedy, ATF, Ruff Ryder’s anthem, How’s it Goin Down, Let Me Fly, For my Dogs, X-Is-Coming, Look Thru My Eyes X. It’s Dark and Hell is Hot real raw next level

[@raymondcarter8915]

“Talkin' 'bout poppin' Glocks, servin' rocks and hittin' switches Now she's a gangsta rollin' with gangsta b!+hes. Always smokin' blunts and gettin' drunk, Tellin' me sad stories, now she only f@

[@geevarghese2220]

Best hip hop channel ain’t no question. Great watch

[@tochiRTA]

thanks bruh! I appreciate it.

[@quas3728]

this channel deserves more attention. tochi is way better than generic channels like fantano and nfr podcast.

[@geevarghese2220]

@@quas3728 yessir

[@what-rf5kj]

@@quas3728 They're white. Black hiphop channels won't get traction. If you asked me what the biggest channel with black hosts for hiphop music is, I wouldn't be able to tell you. Not talking about those comedy channels that react to hiphop music.

[@Dodgerz_McFly]

​@@what-rf5kj Deadendhiphop?

[@sebastiankocaman7051]

This may have been your best vid so far, great analysis, and unique!

[@tochiRTA]

thanks bruh!

[@IllDawgable]

"you see money doesn't make you or me. Protect my mind with 9s 'cause it shines more than jewelry." - Guru

[@Turbomane86]

Uhhhh not great

[@basednigel]

haven't finished the video yet, but a take I love is that NWA was actually supposed to be satire and it went over society's head, so ppl ended up taking it (and gangster rap generally) way too serious

[@IllDawgable]

I've heard this multiples times

[@tochiRTA]

I mean... if it was satire it certainly didn't work. I think a lot of Black and white kids (streets, suburbs, etc) took that sh*t as gospel. I can't speak to it because it was before my time but I get the sense that they weren't playing. Satire is more 'heightened'. From the writing to the performances. You can tell when something's satire. When Ice Cube is saying "straight outta Compton, crazy m*thafucka named Ice Cube" he's not playing. Nothing about that is meant to look satirical. It's meant to look literal. From the emotion on record to the documentary style of the music video.

[@basednigel]

@@tochiRTA here’s a 6 min clip of some older heads talking about the idea and giving it come credence, there’s a longer 45 min video of a dude going song by song and reframing them as satire, but I get your point about what satire actually is Honestly I just never found that specific lane of west coast gangster rap enjoyable to listen to so idk, but from a distance NWA always had an outlandish comical quality w the hyper violence My view is also shaded cuz i rewatched CB4 last month

[@basednigel]

“His theory is that they started out as a parody group but people took them serious so they ran with that” kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipmyl4F5irKnoM0

[@PaintedHoundie]

@@tochiRTA to be fair to that point, satire is often misunderstood by the people consuming it. bonndocks is a good example, or pretty much any satire. there's a show on HBO called Veep and its a satire about working in DC and even though the parties are made ambiguous on purpose people will go up to the actors and tell them they loved how they made fun of [insert group they dont like here] and then the other group will come up to them and give them props for the same thing. in that regard satire is damn near high brow trolling.

[@victoriamaxfield]

Melle Mel is absolutely correct, and this is also what Common Sense was pointing out on ‘I Used to Love H.E.R.’

[@Dodgerz_McFly]

What's your opinion on the "Dogg Food" album by "Tha Dogg Pound"

[@JB-lo8eg]

Awesome breakdown bro. You gave me a lot of things to think about. The parallels between marlon Brando and rakim you gave blew my mind.

[@tochiRTA]

thank you bruh! I'm glad you found it interesting!

[@NapoleonDaLegend7]

Once again, very interesting commentary.

[@tochiRTA]

thanks bruh. I'm an interesting cat and my viewers are interesting people as well. Good to see you!

[@gbc10gbc]

This is like an essay and there could be endless discussions about the topic. You make great points and brought some perspectives that I had never thought about. Maybe the street shit was just impossible to stop and was gonna get into it anyways. To me what really led to the state of todays bad music is the production.

[@tochiRTA]

Totally agree that today's production is the core failure of hip hop, which is in itself another topic. It sorta comes back to my point about how a lot of stuff appears to be hip hop but isn't actually hip hop. Just because a person's rapping (particularly about street shit) doesn't make that music actually hip hop. The beat might be saying something else entirely. Which is bound to happen if people are more interested in 'reality/personal narrative' over actual hip hop.

[@ryanr20091]

@@tochiRTA I have always thought the dominance of the west and that gangster rap era with nwa was the downfall of real mcing where now cats backgrounds become more important than their actual lyrical ability. At least back then lyricism was balanced until it wasn't anymore after the 90s. By the time we get to the south lyrics became a thing of the past but what also made the south poppin was the fact that they love to bring the ''party '' element back to hip hop with stripper club bangers crunk music snap music and dance .

[@gbc10gbc]

@@tochiRTA exactly. Especially because those who claim to be positive rap aren’t making actual hard hiphop. Like take de la soul or tribe who were more positive but still made hard shit and compare to today’s artsy shit and how soft and dull it is

[@user-tb9sq5po6z]

@@gbc10gbc There is hard hiphop music these days, however the problem is it's not dope hard hiphop music. 6ix9ine was making some hard hood shit a while back but his lyrics and delivery were wack but there were some hard beats. He also sold out to the latino crowd and started making soft tango music or whatever too which was even worse. The issue is the rapps more than the production. I don't agree that production is the core failure of today's hiphop. There are plenty of good producers still if you look hard enough. However you won't find any good rappers if you look hard enough

[@gbc10gbc]

@@user-tb9sq5po6z the issue is that the more lyrical rappers have weak production (benny or conway) and the harder beats go to bad lyricists. Like pop smoke had great beats and good voice but his bars were weak

[@ScarletKing9697]

i remember melle mel saying in the vlad interview "hip hop isn't the music of the street, hip hop is the music of the people" "if u have the mic in one hand and a gun in the other hand, it's not gonna work for you" and that kinda stuck with me, real talk, but yea man, the whole stuff of the birth of gangsta rap, i look at as a double edged sword, due to the influence of NWA we got alot of great music from groups like wu tang mobb deep etc, and i remember what u said that rappers like nas they talkin about street shit, but at least they putting soul into and going deeper, not just surface lvl dumb shit, but yea this whole gangsta rap got outta control specially nowadays when u see rappers die on the daily, and they only think about who they wanna beef with. 13:32 ohh yea one of ma fav examples of these: "burn a hole straight thru ya brain and leave ya open and let the venom soak in you start sweating and going thru convulsions from dope shit i write", from "apostle's warning" one of ma fav prodigy verses and mobb deep songs period, or : "step in ma zone, mad rhymes will stifle ya" by guru i remember also there is one song that this dude i don't remember his name exactly but he was like"how many died from the rhymes i've crucified" 🤣 i was like damn thats cold.

[@tochiRTA]

lol that is a cold line! Exactly. Method Man has the bars in Torture where he's essentially threatening you poetically [real emcee type shit] but bringing in the criminal, 'i'm literally that guy in these violent streets' type image too: "Stand back, don't make me spit one and paint pictures / On the walls of your mental with hot lead from out these pencils."

[@alaskanreaper129]

Bro, that comparison of “Marlon Brando” to “Rakim” due to both of their nuanced innovations to their respective professions was something that I’ve recently thought about. It’s funny you brought Brando up too because I just got done watching the movie he directed himself called “One-Eyed Jacks”.

[@KvngLxo]

I even think you can be rapping exclusively in both either the street world, or the lyrical world if you can execute it properly with great voice/delivery/flow and make it cohesive. 2 of my favourite rappers for example, X... from 93 and on, X would usually rap about nothing but street shit. But he'd make it creative with how hes going to fuck you up, or how crazy he is or whateva whateva and obviously kept you engaged with his delivery. On the other hand Canibus is one of my favourite rappers, and while he would include some shit about fucking you up physically, he was always rapping in the lyrical world. Nothing but methods about how good he is, how much better then you is, how he is going to lyrically or scientifically do this to you etc etc. and much like X had great voice, flow and delivery so it worked

[@kinetic_balding4051]

Good take on this reality rap shift. To me, I think things are way too commercialized nowadays for things to go back to where they once were. I think it would have to reach a point where doing that reality rap stuff is no longer the super profitable thing to do for things to really shift, and I don't know if that would even happen anytime soon cuz there's always gonna be an audience for that stuff

[@vixxa]

I feel like I learned a lot here. 😅 thx Culturally, is there a way out of this street rap?

[@tochiRTA]

Glad you liked the video. Out of this street rap? hmmm I think we need a new Mos Def/Q-Tip. Some kid that's not rapping about street shit but still connected to the struggles of "everyday" Black folk who has a fresh and hard sound, look, etc. It'll tip the balance a little.

[@reefk8876]

Dope! I’d say The Chronic ruined it all then Biggie was the icing on the cake where it all goes downhill. Long Live BDP and KRS one. X clan and so on. Love from the west coast 👊

[@jesus8938]

I do agree with you. Im a West Coast baby from Santa Monica, CA and back when i was a teen i was biased and would always say west coast is better but now I have to give it to East especially NY because they prolific af and my top 10 consists of mainly New York rappers. I still love west coast.

[@3lancerofficialmaybe871]

For me it was the clamp down on sampling that what hindered a lot of hip hop production.

[@tochiRTA]

100%. this is probably the biggest factor in the decline of quality hip hop

[@owensmith2137]

That sampled stuff really started with De La and Biz Markie getting their songs and albums taken out of stores

[@owensmith2137]

And when Simon Says had the uncleared Godzilla sample and that got his (dope) album taken out of stores

[@abrahampalmer8761]

Exactly that's why the production overtime started to sound more and more artificial and too clean lack of sampling over the years and softer overall.

[@aandwdabest]

I would put the blame on copyright law, and how some artists hoard their music (especially the old, “classical” rockstars like the Eagles) against Hip Hop Sampling. I’m bringing up the Eagles because the Eagles (especially Don Hanley)/the record label and Frank Ocean had a beef over Ocean’s use of “Hotel California” for his song, “American Wedding” in “Nostalgia Ultra”.

[@owensmith2137]

Very good points. I read a book called Original Gangstas and how rap presued this criminal imagery. Dr. Dre had a record called Mr Officer that he left off and he said making money is more important than fighting back against the police. The south taking it to "reality rap" territory makes sense. Pimp C was a huge 2pac fan and you can imagine that Pac influenced Pimp C to "keep it real". you can look up a variety of interviews were Pimp C is going off on this and that and how so-and-so isn't keeping it G. UGK made great music but sometimes the subject matter is repetitive.

[@abrahampalmer8761]

Exactly tbh imo the south really really made rap for what it is today overrall the materialism over over use of trap beats rims cars pimpin etc...... West coast did some damage with the gangsterism element but the south really influence modern hip hop so much more than the west coast imo.

[@sat1241]

you have to analyze the charts to get the perspective: Straight out of Compton, the album was 1988 but the year before that 87 and 86 Top rap singles 1987 1. Public Enemy - Rebel Without A Pause 2. Eric B & Rakim - I Ain't No Joke 3. Audio Two - Top Billin&#39 4. Eazy E - Boyz N The Hood (Original) 5. Just Ice - Going Way Back 6. LL Cool J - I'm Bad 7. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded 8. Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full 9. Public Enemy - Public Enemy No. 1 10. Boogie Down Productions - The Bridge Is Over 11. N.W.A - Dopeman (Original) 12. Eric B & Rakim - Move The Crowd 13. Ice T - Squeeze The Trigger So NWA and Easy E only had a couple of national singles at this point and KRS was "conscious'" at this point, he started some of this criminal minded rap. Just Ice was sort of criminal also and Ice T no doubt gangster KRS, BDP 9mm Goes Bang Buck! buck! Wa da da dang Wa da da da dang Listen to my 9 millimeter go bang Wa da da dang Wa da da da dang This is KRS-One Me knew a crack dealer by the name of peter Had to buck him down with my 9 millimeter He said I had his girl, I said "now what are you? stupid?" But he tried to play me out and KRS-One knew it He reached for his pistol but it was just a waste Cos my 9 millimeter was up against his face He pulled his pistol anyway and I filled him full of lead So what about 1986 ? Top rap singles 1986 1. Run DMC - Peter Piper. Hypno Toad. ... 2. Boogie Down Productions - South Bronx. 3. Eric B & Rakim - Eric B Is President. ... 4. Ice T - 6 N The Morning. ... 5. Beastie Boys - Paul Revere. ... 6. Ultramagnetic MCs - Ego Trippin' ... 7. MC Shan - The Bridge. ... 8. Biz Markie - Make The Music With Your Mouth, Biz. 9. Eric B & Rakim - My Melody 10. Just Ice - Cold Gettin' Dumb 11. Stetsasonic - Go Stetsa I 12. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo - It's A Demo 13. Run DMC - My Adidas 14. Kool Moe Dee - Go See The Doctor 15. Beastie Boys - The New Style 16. Stetsasonic - My Rhyme If you listen closely you can hear some of KRS One's flow in NWA's style. Ice T 6 N The morning, that was one of the earliest gangster songs, very gangster, he was using that Superfly image out of the exploitation movies but he also did have a real criminal background, doing robberies Kool G Rap was like the predecessor of Nas and Jaz, NY street hustla style His album to Road to the Riches, title cut: " I used to stand on the block selling cooked up rock Money busting out my sock cos I really would clock They were for kind of fiends bringing jackets and jeans Magazines, anything, just to hustle for beans The cash was coming fast, money grew like grass People hungry for the blast that don't even last Didn't want to be involved but the money will get ya Gettin' richer and richer, the police took my picture But I still supplied, some people I knew died Murders and homicides for bottles of suicide Money, jewelry, living like a star And I wasn't too far from a Jaguar car In a small-time casino, the town's Al Pacino For all of the girls, the pretty boy Valentino I shot up stores and I kicked down doors Collected scars from little neighborhood wars Many legs I broke, many necks I choked And if provoked I let the pistol smoke Loyal members in a crew now down with the game Selling nickels and dimes in sunshine or rain What I had was bad from my shoes to my pad In the first time in my life loaning money to dad Now the table's turned and my lifestyle switches My name is Kool G Rap, I'm on the road to the riches … A thug will mug for drugs, he eventually bugs Looking for crack on carpets and rugs" Top rap singles 1985 1. Doug E Fresh & The Get Fresh Crew - The Show / La Di Da Di · 2. LL Cool J - Rock The Bells · 3. Schoolly D - PSK, 4. Run DMC - Darryl & Joe 5. Roxanne Shanté - Bite This 6. LL Cool J - I Can't Live Without My Radio 7. UTFO - Leader Of The Pack 8. Mantronix - Bassline 9. Run DMC - King Of Rock 10. Beastie Boys - She's On It 11. Hollis Crew - It's The Beat There's that Schoollly D joint , they call that the first gangster rap, the seeds were already there for street rap, from Kool G Rap to Nas, Jay Z and Mobb Deep and Tupac on the West Coast with his Thug life and then the super violent BIG Crack was heating up right around then and New York had it's highest number of murders per year ever, over 2,000. On the West Coast was all that Blood and Crip drive-bys going on. This reality rap was seeded in what about 1989, the year after Straight Out of Compton ? 1. Public Enemy - Fight The Power 2. MC Lyte - Cha Cha Cha 3. Stop The Violence Movement - Self Destruction 4. De La Soul - Buddy 5. Beastie Boys - Shake Your Rump 6. EPMD - So Whatcha Sayin 7. The D.O.C. - It's Funky Enough 8. Big Daddy Kane - Smooth Operator 9. Ice T - You Played Yourself 10. Special Ed - I Got It Made 11. Gang Starr - Manifest 12. Queen Latifah ft Monie Love - Ladies First What was going on at the same time as NWA getting big was Public Enemy and NWA opened on one of their tours So that is the rise of political/conscious rap, a form of reality rap coming up the same time as gangster rap, KRS, X-Clan and then the back pack stuff also, Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Bros and De La So PE , KRS , Brand Nubian, X-Clan, they were all talented and musically. It wasn't fun rap, it was very real but not gangster. So a lot of stuff was going on. Much came mumble rap where the musicality went downhill. Some of it gangster and some not . But this is where you could get famous of of image but have terrible raps. A lot was fun stuff but trash

[@UrbnBarz]

Well said. One of the reasons this happened is because opposites attract and push against each other just like the rise of both Communism and Fascism in post WWI Germany due to the breakdown of the country. Hip hop was at a turning point between 86 and 88... 86 brought us Rakim, Kane, PE, Stetsa, EpMd etc and 88 NWA and gangsta rap... The money people behind saw the dollar signs and pushed this to the hilt particularly when the likes of PRT, Queen Latifah and The Flava Unit, X Clan etc were promoting consciousness in hip hop... So by early 90s we had the tipping point and gangsta swamped other forms. You are correct regarding KRS and Criminal Minded... He'd already appeared as Malcolm X with his gun on the BDP album My Philosophy and we must remember how DJ Scott La Rock was just about the first prominent star in hip hop to be murdered... So, the seeds were already being sown to lead us down the more violent path of our art form...

[@zay_thegentleman288]

13:41 shout-outs Jeru 👌🏾🎶🎶💪🏾

[@onetruesoldiervt3686]

hip hop is all about the beat and dope rhymes to accommodate the beat . if one or the other is off then it’s just going to be a song that you either go back to and find out that it was fire or it’s just going to be swept under the rug

[@tbj4855]

Yo Tochi what do you think of Dj quik? he’s my favorite rapper from the west coast I always loved his beats his lead melodies were the best from the west. Even tho he’s not the best mc Pierre Bourne lead melodies reminds me of Dj quiks leads But

[@lordharkon84]

He made a video on quik where he said he was eh except for a few songs

[@tbj4855]

@@lordharkon84 oh damn I didn’t see that vid thanks bro!

[@CoOl-yc6er]

Never realized how right you were until the other day when I saw a Tik-Tok where someone was concerned about the acceptance of “Cap-Rap” in the underground Soundcloud rap scene. Specifically, he thought it was weird that all of these white boys from Nebraska were putting on an ATL accent and rapping about glock switches. All the comments were some variant of, “Who cares? What else are they supposed to rap about?”

[@tochiRTA]

Slim Jesuses 🤣

[@KvngLxo]

Reality Rap , thats nearly as Westcoast as calling someone a Busta lol

[@ObeyaCorpsArmory]

'I spit a lot of gangsta shit, but, you know, I like to refer to it more as just reality rap, you know what I'm sayin'? And if you ask me how long is that gonna stay around, that's always gonna be around' -- Kool G Rap, Return of the Don

[@mw488]

Krs one also plays a part in making street rap to a certain degree if you pay close enough attention to some of the lyrics on BDP's criminal minded album even that album title plays into it and Melle Mel never said Big was wack he said he wasn't great I do understand his perspective but I'd argue Big had the same competitive edge mix with the street narrative like Nas and Jay Z

[@gbc10gbc]

Melle Mel was at the Grammys and he showed love to jay

[@mw488]

@@gbc10gbc interesting cause Melle Mel has done several interviews dissing Jay Z I guess since Jay gave him an opportunity he no longer has a problem with him.

[@gbc10gbc]

@@mw488 or maybe he didn’t have that energy to say that to his face 😂

[@mw488]

@@gbc10gbcmaybe

[@tochiRTA]

I definitely should've brought up Criminal Minded. Big influence on NWA. NWA were like KRS-1 meets Public Enemy.

[@owensmith2137]

17:13 Where the 70s realer than the 90s?

[@johnnybenavidez5486]

there was also a gang of mcs from The Good Life Cafe and after that The Project Blowed that were doing stuff way different than what the west coast gansta rap was doing. they put out a ton of records that are highly under rated and deserve to be mentioned and talked about.

[@tochiRTA]

Never heard of them. West Coast rappers?

[@johnnybenavidez5486]

@@tochiRTA Yes. There's a documentary about the good life cafe on Netflix if it’s still up on there. It’s called This Is The Life. The group C.V.E. (Chillin Villain Empire) is one of my favorite groups from the good life, project blowed. Also Freestyle fellowship. A few rappers got signed record deals out of there. it was an open mic spot that went on every thursday. Have you heard the song Pistol grip pump on my lap at all times? By volume 10? I heard Ice cube Changed his voice and style up a little after hearing that.

[@wojosquad4680]

The over commercialization of Hip Hop that really happened in the mid 00s really killed Hip Hop!!!

[@samg631]

East Coast > can’t beat the origin. Period we hustle faster and they mad bout it

[@tiger_lord305]

It just so happens to be the more rugged shit I like with the beats I prefer talk about all that gangster shit, but they usually do it in a more interesting, funky way as oppose to someone like a generic drill or modern trap rapper. Thats why I prefer someone like a Playboi Carti over like a Lil Durk or whatever run-of-the-mil modern “street” rapper nowadays. If I can’t bop to your beats and your not don’t making me feel anything, thens what the point? I find a lot of rap nowadays to feel energy draining. Rappers need to have fun with this shit. Also modern day “conscious” rap is garbage. It’s formulaic with sleepy beats and vocals.

[@tochiRTA]

agreed. Durk is just too run of the mill for me. Rap has never been a contest for who's more gangsta than the next. Even when I was younger I never cared about that stuff.

[@user-tb9sq5po6z]

@@tochiRTA Durk's music is very forgettable

[@firasoussi]

Enjoying s3 of the wu tang series

[@4EverLaker]

People made being gangsta a prerequisite for being a 'good rapper' and I hate that. It's like they'll completely overlook the fact that they have the weakest flows and lyrics just because they're 'real'. With that being said, I do listen to gangsta/street rap and love it, but you can't compare a Pooh Sheisty to Talib Kweli....at all. One rapper is talking about just doing street trash with no insight and the other one is talking about why it's actually going on. As a matter of fact: Have you ever done a video on Blackstar (Mos Def & Talib)?

[@tochiRTA]

Great comment and I agree. I've definitely talked about Mos Def and Kweli on my channel. Search in my channel

[@4EverLaker]

@@tochiRTA My brother changed my mind about Carti, but you also yold me that his debut was a classic...and it does have the elements. It's not about lyrics - it is music. Delivery, flow, voice and beats trump all. We need to talk about rap one day, I want you to be on top.

[@abrahampalmer8761]

Exactly agreed 💯 percent

[@HoodieWill_]

How Do You Feel About JID?

[@tochiRTA]

I don't care about his music. Never heard a dope song from him

[@user-tb9sq5po6z]

@@tochiRTA Jiddeth is alright and Surround Sound is passable... albiet a much worse, pop version of Ms Fat Booty (but compared to other popular rap songs that came that year it's fine). When you hear a lot of 90s to early 2000s MCs, JID's voice can be very offputting. But a lot of new cats haven't accustomed their ears to dope rap voices.

[@Kimeikus]

-JID- Mid.

[@Ronnie.Raymond]

A bit embarrassing for me to admit, but even though I was a big nu-metal guy in high school, and even though I already heard dope rap joints years prior (like _Lockjaw), Deep Cover_ (the original, not the Pun record [though Pun's is obviously straight flames]) was the first rap song I heard where I was like “Whoa! I gotta check out this rap shit!”. I hardly ever listen to that kind of rap anymore, but it was a good entry point into hip-hop for me just in terms of that dark and aggressive energy, lyrically and musically. I know a lot of people clown on that kind of rap for appealing to white suburban kids, and I myself make the same criticisms, but I really do wonder if I'd be here talking about hip hop had I never heard that song 🤔

[@tochiRTA]

totally fair point. There's definitely 'entry level rap'. I got into rap through MC Hammer, Fresh Prince and Snoop Dogg. Then it was Pac and Mase. as the hunger for harder beats and harder rhymes increased, then I started getting into Nas, Mobb Deep, Ghost, etc.

[@Milan-vi1bq]

i see what youre saying, and i agree with it, but at the same time the west was not on the political tip with artists like snoop who brought that party spirit in the early 90s too

[@TheNaz1996]

Melle mel’s interview on vlad tv was very interesting he spoke on some of the things you did

[@tochiRTA]

Yeah I'm definitely taking some things Melle Mel said. He's right in a lot of ways.

[@KurdishKing-v2e]

Kenmid took them all the way down 😂😂😂

[@rationaloptimist4959]

There was this myth that Hip-Hop at its inception was "consciously and politically driven" but I always went against this narrative. It was aesthetically radical, sure, with other subcultures contributing to it, but it was always party & bullshit. Although I find similar parallels between Hip-Hop and Punk( use of samplers, lower working class environment, youth recklessness, do-it-yourself culture, being yourself away from mainstream America) Punk, unlike Hip-Hop, seemed more politically charged from the start. Have you thought about the correlation between these two genres?

[@tochiRTA]

for sure. And I totally agree. It's aesthetically radical but not necessarily political. It's rooted in party and bullshit lol. As for punk, I've definitely thought about the correlation between the two. I know very little about punk music and the little I've tried to listen to hasn't done anything for me. I like a Sex Pistols song but I don't remember the name of it. Punk and rap emerged around the same time so they're related.

[@Ghousempc]

The thing about hiphop is, you could add punk or change punk into hiphop and it'll be hip hop, but you can't do it with punk. It's a germ that transforms the use of sound for it's purpose and it's purpose only. Hip hop is actually "subconsciously politically driven," by using less of what was utilized to create punk. So NYC's response to city curroption was subconsciously using their wit of audio technology to party and talk bullshit, because in reality that's what life was. It was'nt something they were trying to sell, it was something that had to be witnessed. Similar for other Black pioneered genres like House, drum and bass, etc

[@FusKTV]

I truly love hip hop, im not from the beginnin era, im 32 y.old but if you start to analise historically, after reality rap/gangsta rap came everyone stopped caring about break dancing, graffiti and enjoying music and everyone started wanting to be thugs and gangsters and this isn't just restricted to the black community. Your analysis is very good. 🫡

[@tochiRTA]

thanks for the comment. I have to agree. 😩

[@lonzodreyella]

RTA u played a good track there you gotta believe by lovebug starski. i have it on 12 inch import the fever catch it. the message is my second hip hop song of all time the one that beats it is ,,,rebel without a pause public enemy.

[@tochiRTA]

all fantastic songs! did you hear You Gotta Believe when it came out? I only heard it for the first time last year.

[@lonzodreyella]

u not gonna believe this but i heard that track 3 years late someone who worked in the record shop had the track at home and i went to his house and he played it now this was the time when rakim came on the map and lovebug starski big hit amityville came out..that year u.k fresh 86 tour came and lovebug starski was on stage and was booed of he drop the mike in anger and him and grandmaster flash end up fighting...true talk.