Unusual Kidnapping Reveals Shocking Mental Health History | Cleo Smith Case Update and Analysis

[@carmattvidz4426]

I am Australian and this case was all over the national news. I really though there would not be a happy ending. Usually, when a young female child is taken like this they are usually deceased within 24hrs. To be found alive and reasonable well after 18days was like a miracle. This is really a crime that shook an entire nation. I think tears fell all over Australia when we heard a little girl tell the police "my name is cleo"

[@drubee7793]

She is still very much affected by the kidnapping. As her mum recently reported she still has nightmares and is a lot less independent. Hopefully time will heal her.

[@iknow2145]

Aww how touching. A nation of imperialist Jeno ciders cried precious tears for someone. Never mind the untold millions they obliterate worldwide. Cry some more cupcake.

[@sylviekins]

I agree, I feared the worst, and she will surely need support for some time to come. Bless her and her family into the further.🙏❤️🇦🇺

[@goodgolly4726]

I never heard about this. Im Impressed to hear the country offered 1 million for her. I don't think that has happened in the United States

[@mnmmnm8321]

We were all scared as f

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Recovering Cleo alive and comparatively unharmed was such a relief. I think the world really latched on because it was such an awful prospect, but her being safely returned to her family was cathartic.

[@pamharrison8348]

Not so. Recent update says that Cleo is deeply traumatised, along with her family. Cleo is showing behaviour and fear as a result of her ordeal. Little has been said if her experiences, but she was tied to a chair and locked in a room. The man has been sentenced and this detail came out. Cleo will be dealing with this trauma her whole life. Please don't make assumptions.

[@tennisfan8979]

@@pamharrison8348 you tell EsteemedMortal not to make assumptions and then go right ahead and make assumptions.

[@HLB313]

@@pamharrison8348 COMPARATIVELY unharmed, ie not dead. I don’t think anyone’s assuming she wouldn’t be traumatised.

[@jimcronin2043]

I am sure that there are and will be negative repercussions for the child and her family but she truly beat the odds by being rescued alive. Thanks for that. Hats off to the police officers that made that happen.

[@hollydaugherty2620]

@@pamharrison8348 Literally nobody assumed any of those things.

[@kathybradbury]

Yes, although we are grateful that Cleo survived the ordeal, it does society a disservice to imply that means Terrance “deserves” a lighter sentence. She was RESCUED, he didn’t turn himself in.

[@gthktty666]

THIS. he took steps not to be discovered and obviously wasn't completely disorganised nor was he a non-functional disabled traumatised human. and Cleo's family doesn't live in an area with a great number of child trauma psychologists, there will be major barriers to her getting appropriate help nearby and affordably. it's likely that in 11 years, she will still be in therapy as being a teenage survivor comes with it's own new set of challenges.

[@011silbermond]

@@gthktty666 💝💝

[@kathybradbury]

@@KatherineLaura6564 &@athkitty666, we live in a fallen world, most of us are marred by it. I’ve heard of counselors who have transformed children who were heading into psychopathy & sociopathy, but many aren’t that wise. Terrence’s life is a tragedy, and yet he has the same potential to seek the Creator who is able to restore and heal as we all do. The bottom line is , do we want to send a message that it’s ok to do harm to others if someone has harmed you? Does Terrance seem likely to do it again, or worse?

[@johnnyearp52]

​@@KatherineLaura6564 The crimes you commit matter more than your past. It is very sad what a bad childhood he had but we don't want kidnappers running around free.

[@kathybradbury]

@@KatherineLaura6564 a god? No. The One Creator/source? Yes. But the individual usually must have a desire/hunger to know Him. Our society becomes more deranged the further people remove themselves from the knowledge of God. God is. Agape Love, All in All. He does and has healed and transformed those who seek Him.

[@communicationbreakdown256]

She sounds like a strong girl. She was bossy with him and demanded chocolate. I hope she recovers from her nightmares. .

[@reecewarren3103]

And she got roughed up for it too😂😂😂

[@XYZ-kb3mm]

@@reecewarren3103why is that funny

[@ns4725]

​@XYZ-kb3mm why is it not. She got some discipline

[@ingamingpc1634]

@@ns4725 she got kidnapped idiot that's not right in any way shape or form you're truly disgusting

[@zanzah_]

This story had rolling coverage accross Australia. I was in the shopping centre when the news broke she was found alive and complete strangers were cheering and hugging eachother.

[@Flamsterette]

*EACH OTHER

[@tainawarriorprincess7686]

That’s beautiful

[@Flamsterette]

*ACROSS

[@goodgolly4726]

@@Flamsterette are you okay?

[@Flamsterette]

@@goodgolly4726 What kind of a question is that?

[@wendiwonderly1419]

I’m terribly sorry Terrance had such a horrific upbringing but he is a very dangerous man. The probability that he would reoffend cannot be left to chance. And Cleo will be more amenable to therapy if she knows he’s away and can’t harm her

[@lisagfrerer9429]

The most sane comment in this thread Wendi. No one knows and it cant be left to chance.

[@Elleffe]

100%

[@raquellofstedt9713]

I think you´re right. Atthe sam time, I hope that Terrance gets help . He needs to be protected from himself as much as others need to be protected from him.

[@RecklessInternetting]

Australian courts are silly and he will probably get that parole.

[@jayvee5686]

Yeah, I feel bad because he seems like he was messed up as a kid and is mentally ill. But anybody who looks up Albert Fish can see that that's what happened to that guy too. He had a bad childhood and was mentally ill. People who kidnap kids can't be free

[@brigittebeltran6701]

Another masterpiece from Dr. Grande! Sadly, as a Behavioral Health Technician and a Special Education teacher I work with disturbed (ED; ODD, SMI) children daily...and have for 2 decades in residential group homes, schools, mental wards, and juvenile correctional facilities. My heart breaks at the irreplaceable psychological damage a neglectful and abusive childhood brings about. I have to struggle with my own emotions to remind me of my professional boundaries. All I can do is show kindness, compassion, and understanding so they will know that not all people are the same and yes, that they too, can be loved, appreciated, and respected. So grateful this little girl was found alive!! My wish is that correctional facilities would provide mental health services for inmates...althoughvI am not sure if this would decrease the rate of recidivism.

[@johnnyearp52]

Mental health treatment has reduced recidivism in some countries.

[@MarceloVolcato]

That's one of the craziest abduction cases ever. Terrance was basically adding one more doll to his collection. He should never be let out.

[@πατριχορ]

​@@char524 Not necessarily. He might have to keep doing rehabilitation though

[@nmartin5551]

I’m in the “don’t let him out” camp. Here in the US, we recently had a mass killing of 4-5 teen girls by a “rehabilitated” pedophile. The only good news is he killed himself at the same time. I’m afraid there isn’t a way to turn off the “children as sex objects” switch. Just my opinion.

[@cebswood1]

​@@nmartin5551 What was the case?

[@tessajones9393]

It's scary, hey.

[@mj2495]

I guess he should be executed. Like the old days, right doc?

[@MsWaggydog]

Thank you for this analysis! I live in Perth, Western Australia and this is the first time I've heard anything close to a real explanation for why this crime may have occurred.

[@calendarpage]

I remember this. The parents were given a hard time in the court of public opinion. Thank goodness Cleo was found, or it might not have gone well for them.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Definitely if the Azaria case is anything to go bu

[@Casinogirl56]

​@@esteemedmortal5917 that's the first thing I thought too, this is the first I've heard of this case.

[@david-dj8or]

It seems very common for people to point the finger. There was another abductor in Australia called Mr Cruel. he had been abducting young girls. The police and media called on the public to nominate a suspect and if they picked the right one they would get a huge reward. 27'000 men were named. Of these 73 were charged with an offence (not connected to the case) 73 in 27'000 works out to 1 man charged per 370 men named. (Mr Cruel has still not been caught.)

[@erin7306]

I feel like the whole nation of Australia blew a sigh of relief when Cleo was found alive and safe.

[@eden_aumakua]

Which just goes to show the damage that the court of public opinion can do.

[@jenanne31]

Such a strange and sad case. I was amazed and so happy when Cleo was found alive since it's so rare in such abductions. Thanks for the update, Dr. Grande!

[@toys7198]

I'll always remember the moment I found out Cleo was found. I was just about to get i to my car and my now widow had his phone in his hand and said "you won't believe this, Cleo's been found, she's alive" I instantly broke down and just said "are you serious" I had so much hope during those weeks, I refused to give in to the idea that she was gone, everyone told me not to keep hoping, but the second she was found I just felt this huge sigh of relief, I'm so so grateful to everyone involved in finding her, well done WA and well done Aus.

[@franbrooks605]

Dr. Grande, I couldn't help but chuckle over the friends and family discount. Thank God, little Cleo wasn't physically hurt, but she is going to need a lot of love, patience and support in her recovery 💖 I hadn't heard about this case before, thank you for covering it

[@missyihunt]

Poor little Chloe has nightmares as reported by her mother. I do hope she is getting the help she needs.

[@MsSilverTulip]

I'm Australian and have been waiting for you to cover this case. Thanks Dr Grande!

[@aldostefanini1392]

Dr Grande he's our man if he can't speculate what could be happening in a situation like this no one can

[@IsmaelLovecraft]

Dr. G, you should show a map when you reference places like Perth. heck, the truly fortunate among us don't even know where New Jersey is.

[@lebenstraum666]

😂😂😂😂

[@velvetbees]

In 1973 a little girl named Suzi Jaeger was camping with her family in Montana. She was taken from her tent that her family was also sleeping in. She was murdered. The killer cut open the tent and took her. It happens. Parents need to know that keeping your child away from the sides of the tent is a good idea.

[@agostinodublino1387]

I'm baffled by the "his motive was to have a daughter, not to harm her" argument. In Italy Luigi Chiatti "the Monster of Foligno" abducted two boys in different times, "to have a companion, a son", then he killed them in the very first moment they asked to go home and they cried. 20+ years later, in Potsdam and Berlin, Germany, Silvio S. abducted 2 boys as well, and did the same to them. Both perpetrators had their room full of baby clothes, toys and so on. Their fantasies were not innocent at all. Chiatti said "if you let me free I'll do it as soon as I can".

[@jamesb.9155]

Cleo would not have been found without the resourceful police work of WA authorities. They performed a stellar job!

[@lebenstraum666]

Whole thing a set up.

[@jamesb.9155]

@@lebenstraum666 TROLL.

[@fuchsialady]

I was so relieved that Cleo was alive, & I listened to the guy’s terribly sad upbringing. But in the end, I agree with you now, as he knew it was wrong. Still, I believe he needs hospitalization in a psych ward. I don’t think prisons provide that well. For sure, he can’t be let loose. When? Ever? I don’t know but think it will happen.

[@mam8982]

Thankyou Dr Grande, I feel your analysis is spot on. Here in Perth Western Australia, no attempt has been made to explain his actions from the mental health side. Alcohol and drug abuse among indigenous communities is a big problem in Australia. Every child deserves to be loved and cared for and poor Terrance never had a chance of a normal happy life. I read he washed and fed Cleo well, even allowing her to stay up late. Even so he will need Mental health care for the rest of his life. I also wish the Smith family a happy life, and I hope they can forget the trauma one day.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

This was such a disturbing case back then. I remember being on pins and needles until she was found. As bizarre as this case was it turned out the best that one could have hoped for. It was a terrible time for Cleo and her parents. Cleo was no doubt terrified of finding herself in the company of this man, and her parents dealt with the trauma of her missing for 18 long days, along with them being cast in suspicion. In saying that, the outcome was more than any of us could have hoped for.

[@lachlank.8270]

Back then? Less than a year ago lol

[@πατριχορ]

​@@lachlank.8270 That's still a long time

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@@lachlank.8270 2021 is in our past isn't it? lol

[@sylviekins]

The news that she was recovered was so amazing, her poor family, I can only imagine their feelings❤

[@Flamsterette]

@@πατριχορ A long time?

[@sophiaisabelle027]

We appreciate Dr Grande's hard work and effort. God bless him.

[@redjasper9458]

Her parents will probably never recover from the emotional damage as well.

[@historicaustralia]

It's a miracle they found Cleo we were all fearing the worst! This is a great example of how a community and law enforcement banded together to find her.

[@carolroberts8930]

What an unusual case. It is tragic the numbers of people in the so-called civilized world who have absolute failures as parents and, as a result, often grow up with a whole alphabet of psychiatric problems and often turn to a life of crime. As always, thank you for your calm and thoughtful analysis.

[@queenofhearts7507]

This would have never happened if White people didn’t steal these peoples land and try an “civilize them”

[@johnnyearp52]

Many people with psychiatric problems don't commit crimes.

[@fulanichild3138]

The comment about Bratz doll's proportions reminded me of an article I read in the 1970s. The Barbie doll was huge in the U.S., and the Mattel company wanted to expand into Japan. But Barbie was a big flop in Japan. When Mattel studied the failure, they discovered that Barbie, with her very large breasts, tiny waist, and super long legs, was considered a bit freakish by Japanese standards. Much more popular in Japan was Barbie's younger sister, Skipper, who is flat-chested and has a normal waist and legs. The issue of American dolls setting abnormal standards of beauty has been going on for 50 years lol.

[@Contessa6363]

Good analysis Dr Grande!😃👍👍♥️

[@mjanny6330]

The amount of defence and pity extended to a man who literally *stole a child* is really unsettling to a sane, rational, moral human being.

[@khaoswe]

I’d argue the exact opposite. It shows humans have compassion, empathy and can use critical thought. Hurt people, hurt people as they say. You can be angry and disgusted at what someone has done but also have pity for them. That is far more emotionally intelligent than just wanting him to be thrown into the fire.

[@LisaMarieB]

Beautiful analysis and empathetic to all sides. Thank you.

[@TheSelfCenter]

Thanks for your videos, Dr. Grande! Your videos are always so interesting 💯

[@dfpguitar]

I think the duration of the sentence is appropriate but Terrence was gravely failed by both his parents and the state. The state even knew about his problems since childhood but provided no means of accessing a healthy environment nor therapy. His situation in custody is going to be even more cursed even if he is given access to self betterment facilities and therapy. He will still be alone, without anyone to love, instead surrounded by Men even more violent that him so will definitely come out much worse and with even less opportunity in life because he will be older. If there was better services available to him in his youth, or better still for the generation of his parents and grandparents. This could have been avoided.

[@akemi137]

I was so happy when Cleo was found i cried. Honestly i wasn't expecting such a "good" outcome. Another great analysis. Thank you for educating us. ❤

[@wodongacitizen9624]

It was such an emotional time for Australia. When I heard the news in the radio that she was found alive , I cried also

[@akemi137]

@@wodongacitizen9624 i am from Portugal but i got to know the case because of Peter Hyatt and his statment analysis (he rightfully pointed that he parents were truthfull and not involved in her desapearence). Everyday i was cheking the news hoping she had been found. And then when i was loosing hope they found her. Even today i get emotional remembering it! Such a happy moment! ❤️❤️❤️

[@candicane1]

As grateful as I am that Cleo was found alive, I really hope he did not molest her.

[@brianpratt3224]

Always look forward to the Australian cases.

[@IknowGodIs]

You have done a wonderful job enlightening viewers of what happened and the outcome. Your evaluation, explanation, and opinion presented was so much better than any news report! Great job!

[@Codehead3]

Lolz…friends and family discount! You crack me up!!!😂😂😂

[@jennybennett8199]

Thank you for covering another Australian story.

[@mcnultyssobercompanion6372]

11 and a half years until possible parole? Dude. Add a few decades to that, _at least_ ....Brave girl though. Glad to see she survived. Many don't.

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

More just would be like 3-5 years and then some heavy support on mental health

[@jena.alexia]

Custodial sentences in Australia often do not meet community expectations. We are too lenient here.

[@mnmmnm8321]

11 years is not long enough... Per head of population Austryalia ist he most isolated place in the world.. Cleo needs to know this has been taken seriously 😳

[@mnmmnm8321]

Lol, if you kidnap a 4 yo the world expects a serious deterrent! Look at the McCann case!! This is of truly global and historic significance and books will be written arguing about exactly this: what kind of punishment is required to protect our kids? How did they catch him?? Video???

[@TheKrispyfort]

This is the same nation that gave a 12mo suspended sentence to a child molester that plead guilty for multiple CSA offences

[@honeyforce996]

The sad thing is, that some people are so entitled, and out of touch, that they'll defend Terrance. They'll never have to experience what it's like to have a loved one senselessly killed. They'll never go through the anguish, or terror. All they want is an easy out. It's easier to rationalize it to themselves as, "it wasn't that bad..", than to acknowledge the discomfort that some people are not able to be integrated into a well-functioning society, and need to be forcibly removed from it. No population is unique from this, it is a worldwide phenomena. It is human.

[@jhoughjr1]

So many horrid cases can be traced to a meth head or a drunk.

[@chuckrobinson599]

This comment should be at the top

[@JessicaO490Z]

If you aren't mentally unstable meth will get you there... And the effects on your sanity can persist.

[@EierkopfFuchsgesicht]

True. I wished there were strict mental and drug related rehabs instead of jail sentences.. jail wont help and he will be out some day.. But.. as someone who has adhd.. a form of meth is part of the treatment. I couldnt pass a drugtest due to this medication and i dont do drugs

[@laneatkinson6441]

Anyone found to be drunk driving should have their license permanently revoked. It's disgusting how many second chances are given to people who are this incredibly selfish.

[@mnmmnm8321]

Meth took over from all the old school drugs like lightning and it's so friggin' boring... When the coppers said in a community announcement back in the day it was A TOTAL LOSERS DRUG they were spot on.. Imagine taking meth out in Canarvon lol: be more boring than taking it in Mandurah?

[@MyEnemy]

Whether the kidnapper commits murder or just wants to have a thirty-year tea party, the effect is the same on the family. Had Kelly not been caught, they would've spent the rest of their lives thinking the worst. This guy deserves to be locked-away for a very long time.

[@nealkelly9757]

In a more civilized society he would get capital punishment

[@mattb6646]

That's true, but im thankful he didn't physically do bad things to this little girl like most kidnappers do

[@Bimby-b]

He abused her the family implied it in interviews

[@shawnaweesner3759]

@@mattb6646. Are you an idiot. He did do bad things to this little girl, he kidnapped her, physically abused her, and locked her up in a bedroom all the time!

[@shawnaweesner3759]

To @MyEnemy: I absolutely agree with you!

[@aldinaatic9360]

Great analysis for trending topics. Thank you dr.Grande 👌

[@diane.90]

That was a fascinating psych analysis you did on his behavior. Thank you, Dr. G! My prayers for that baby girl 🙏🏻

[@irenegriffin3050]

Thank goodness he didn't hurt little Cleo!

[@Elizabeth-n3v2u]

When i was around three, i was playing on the beach with my dad. My dad went inside to grab a beer and left me for around 5 minutes (i was a very smart kid and knew to stay where i was). A man came, picked me up and ran. My dad saw as he was coming back and chased him. Bystanders called the police. They eventually found me within an hour, the man was hiding with me in the woods by the beach. He was mentally slow/ill, and when they asked him why he took me he said because i looked like a pretty doll. This is chilling. I have no memory of the incident, thank goodness.

[@Knick-Knack]

On a lighter note. Hearing Dr Grande mispronounce "Carnarvon", made me think about how we Australians pronounce it. Which led me to realise, it's a very good word to use for those wanting to practice their Australian accent. We pronounce it a very quick and cropped 'can-NAH-vin'. So with the main emphasis on the middle syllable. Which in turn needs to be pushed out through the nose, but only after you've pushed enough air into your sinus cavity to get it resonating. Practising 'can-NAH-vin' will, in turn, will help you master your 'NAH''s. 'NAH' is a very fundamental term in 'Aussie English', as it simply translates to 'no'. Which, in turn, will help you with your 'YEAH---NAH''s - which means "thank you, but 'no''. You're welcome.

[@quaver1239]

Am an Aussie too. Well done!!! 😂

[@geoninja8971]

Yes - when in doubt with Australian places, emphasise the middle syllable....

[@isbestlizard]

Those aren't necessarily actions of someone motivated by knowledge what they're doing is wrong, but more just knowing if they're caught, they'll take the child away from her. He might have no moral agency at all, but still know outsiders if they detect what he's done would undo it and not want that to happen.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Really disturbing case. I hope Cleo gets the help that she needs it. Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤

[@loiskondo8349]

That poor young man had the cards stacked against him before birth. I am so glad Cleo was found alive! Thank you Dr. Grande for this fascinating video!

[@mzliberty7647]

great analysis Dr Grande.. thank you ... from Australia.. 🕷

[@manewland1]

At least I'm grateful that the girl was returned home (this time). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!

[@rullmourn1142]

Thanks, Dr. Grande, i had forgotten all about this odd, disturbing case.

[@GigiRulesTheRoost]

love your🌵collection, Dr. Grande

[@neurosentience5150]

We need to keep an eye on that

[@Mrs.Silversmith]

I think the danger of this situation is being downplayed in hindsight. Just because he didn't cause physical harm to the girl doesn't mean she came out unharmed. Also, considering he had a history of acting out and being difficult to manage growing up, it's quite possible that he could have lost his temper with her over something and attacked her impulsively. I think the real miracle is that this didn't happen in the days he had her.

[@geoninja8971]

It was inevitable I fear, sooner or later the novelty of his new doll would have worn off, or he would have been spooked about being caught, and she would have been dumped in the scrub somewhere......

[@quirogatnonerrat3214]

I have to say, the way you present the story with that calm tone of voice is relaxing and helps me focus better on the events without feeling rushed or stressed. Your calm approach feels soothing almost.👌🏻 Great job on the research, analysis and in the way you tell it!👍🏻

[@Monka83]

Thank you for the update Dr. Grande! 😊

[@victoriastark-adams853]

Aloha e Dr. Grande, Thank you for your commitment and knowledgeable. Some of us may have a strange sense of healing by simply listening to you. Kindest regards always to you and your endeavors.

[@argjase]

Collecting stone unicorns? Almost as weird as collecting sculptures of cacti!

[@aarondavis8943]

I'm less concerned with what a culprit "deserves" and more concerned with the danger posed to society and the deterrent provided by a sentence.

[@alex.tagspot]

Wow, what a blessing that the victim was found safely!! 😳 As tragic as his childhood and upbringing was, Terrance is exactly where he belongs 💯 Let's hope he stays there 🔐 🚨 Thanks for another great case, Doc 🏥 As Always, Much Love from WV 🤙 🏔️ 💙 💛

[@barbieblue3336]

0:09 the dramatic touch to "speculating"

[@jennh2096]

Im so tired of this notion that being mentally ill somehow makes you less culpable or less of a danger to society. Its tragic that there are so many parents out there that destroy their children by their own bad behavior, but even if not guilty by reason of insanity, it doesnt mean that that person is any less of a danger, and doesnt mean that they should be allowed to live amongst society. Being mentally ill is sad, and I have empathy for those people, but its not an excuse for committing horrible crimes.

[@zenawarrior7442]

I remember this case too. He was so strange & scary esp w/the🎎 dolls😬Glad it turned out better then it could have. Good analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💖💖

[@alicemungia1642]

Very informative, and interesting

[@MEL2theJ]

Thank you again Dr. Grande

[@mal_3157]

As an Australian seeing this case on your channel is quite amazing you do not know how big it was at the time.

[@BK-2003]

I can’t imagine the mental turmoil Terrence goes through on a daily basis, and for that I empathize. But you can’t just go around snatching little girls, so he needs to be put away for some time & then be monitored for life. I’m so glad he didn’t touch her (as far as we know?). Poor Cleo.

[@sayittomyfaceidareyou8629]

That poor baby went through some sht that i know. I pray for her and a complete recovery and hope she gets all the help she can because she is gonna have trauma. Shes alive and that is a miracle. much respect to the police and officials that continued to search for this girl non stop even after it looked to them that she might not be found alive. thank you for your hard work and determination. 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️.

[@marlaroberts2087]

Very good analysis! So glad they found her alive and relatively unharmed!

[@elaineelias2588]

Very informative. Thank you, Dr grande

[@OzymandiasWasRight]

Do not let this man out. He saw a little girl and decided to just take her because he wanted a real life doll. I dont believe psychiatric care is capable of rehabilitating this man. I wish as a society we could admit our limitations, some people are beyond help. Its not worth the risk with this man.

[@emmaloorose]

love the new setup dr. g !

[@whitneysawyer483]

Wow...very interesting analysis!

[@karenscoville6307]

Hey Dr.G, can you do a segment on mental health institutions and what kinds of help there is (or isn't) out there for certain individuals who are looking for help.

[@fragrancememoir2350]

Totally agree with you Dr. Grande.

[@shanansavoy8717]

Like always completely spot on. Excellent!

[@Kat-tr2ig]

So, basically, Terrence was the whole DSM-5. I feel sorry that his childhood was so horrible, but he needs to stay locked up and never let out.

[@jaydub4661]

The terrible thing about jail is that it's not rehabilitative. He needs help but probably won't get it there

[@woodliceworm4565]

@@jaydub4661 There is a good chance in an Australian jail in WA he will.

[@BoRisMc]

You don’t feel sorry at all

[@JBplumbing12]

@@woodliceworm4565 Yes, western Australian prisons are not too bad. Hopefully he will be put somewhere reasonably safe and looked after. He may even be happier in prison where he has social contact with staff and other inmates. Prison may prove to be a great benefit for him. When he is released is when he is likely to become lonely and socially isolated again.

[@Flamsterette]

@@JBplumbing12 He wouldn't be on my Christmas list, that's for sure. I hope he doesn't have support when he gets out. The girl deserves it far more.

[@megalopolis2015]

By all accounts this girl should not have been retrieved alive. I'm so surprised and grateful she was. I hope that she overcomes the trauma from her ordeal, and thrives as a healthy adult. Many blessings to her and her family.

[@f.miller801]

Damn, this kinda sad. I'm glad he didn't abused her.

[@farmcat3198]

Being surrounded by Bratz dolls for a couple of weeks would give me trauma, too!

[@jbrown8601]

🤣

[@mjanny6330]

They were invented by a pedo after all.

[@Valentine3e]

Brilliant Dr Grandi 🌟💜🌟

[@dresdenfan18]

Oh man those Bratz dolls were so problematic for me when my kid was little. I had to bow to the inevitable because people would give them as gifts, but those dolls were very creepy and I always felt guilty for letting her keep them.

[@godshallsmiteyouu]

Be so fr 😒😑

[@bonim5180]

Me too! Butmy daughter did not like them either! If you look at some women today,with their botox and filler,they look like bratz dolls! We laugh so hard at that fact! 😂💖

[@aperson-rt5fc]

Living for this new backdrop

[@gabitrindade4607]

Having a horrible childhood does not excuse a person to harm another, let alone a child.

[@SoftChroma]

This is a nightmare situation, yet it was an incredible relief to learn she was unharmed.

[@AA-vs9kh]

I am in healthcare in that state. I think this is an excellent analysis; particularly interesting take with regards to culpability.

[@pamharrison8348]

Yes, it is.

[@ravenID429]

Ugh I’m not even surprised to find out there are people who feel bad for him

[@thatonethisone5904]

I lived in Carnarvon for a time, and there is a lot of dysfunction in the indigenous community, violence, neglect, theft…

[@tomaria100]

Very good, Dr. Grande!

[@marlinfisher2529]

Dear Dr Grande - great cactus arrangements,

[@clarissa8477]

I couldn’t care less what he went through when he was a kid, or how “disadvantaged” he is. He knew what he did was wrong while he was doing it, period. Lock his sick ass up, he dangerous.

[@arinerm1331]

Upon his release from prison, the government should seek commitment to a mental institution until such time as three independent doctors declare that Terence is no longer a danger to others. Yes, I have empathy for him; but I have more for his past and future victims.

[@zeriousvolt1245]

I disagree. He should receive mental help immediately. Spending years in prison is not going to help him in any way.

[@arinerm1331]

@@zeriousvolt1245 I'd agree to that, also; as long as he isn't free to bring harm to more people.

[@TheKrispyfort]

That is not how incarceration should work

[@carolynsilvers9999]

Such a tragic case on so many levels. Terrance was a very disadvantaged man, but his obsession with dolls is very disturbing...his unmet need for a parent must have been the cause....I'm surprised he was self controlled enough to work a job.

[@eden_aumakua]

He never had ANYONE.

[@Lisa-dh5nw]

What is disturbing is that he stole a child for his own needs. This guy doesn’t need sympathy. People have awful upbringings along with foetal alcohol syndrome and still do not cause such extensive trauma to another family. I don’t feel sorry for him.

[@NickyBlue99]

​@@Lisa-dh5nw same. People seem more sympathetic towards criminals than victims these days.

[@shanansavoy8717]

Maybe having a job is not a good way to judge how ethical someone actually is

[@judyives1832]

@@Lisa-dh5nw Just because some people who have been abused and unloved with fetal alcohol syndrome, don’t do this, does not mean thats not the cause. There are many factors that can make the mental illness worse or milder. So your comment is not reasonable. If the fetal alcoholism is throughout all three trimesters, or the abuse takes place when certain growth chemicals are acting on the brain, or there is brain damage to certain areas of the brain from blows to the head etc. ,it can cause much different results and effects n the mental illness. You might as well say that because one person’s cancer grows at a certain rate, everyones cancer must therefore grow at that rate. Of course he needs to be punished and put in jail but we can learn from what happened and perhaps do better with social services.

[@LevelEarthWD]

I'm so happy Cleo is back home safely to her family. What a monumental blessing. My heart goes out to Terrence for having to go through what he experienced! He went from bad to worse with that aunt of his! His brief life history had him struck out at a very young age ... 2 strikes against him before he was even born! Poor guy.

[@candicane1]

A lot of people are dealt a challenging hand in life. A lot of those same people don’t go around kidnapping children.

[@IWillHaveThePastaThanks]

@@candicane1 But some do, which is what happened here.

[@kelsielovesbbu]

Hi, Dr. Grande. Thank you for your insight! I have a question. Can you cover Kouri Richins, the lady who killed her husband w/ fentanyl and wrote a "grief book" afterward? Your videos are the best.

[@sambosmummy]

Dr Grande covered it 8 days ago, scroll back a little and you’ll see it there 😊

[@maureeningleston1501]

I think like many people, when I heard Cleo was found I cried 😢 with relief that she was alive and her mother and step father would be reunited with her. 🙏 But I'm so angry that this monster was not sentenced harsher. He is clearly a danger to society especially innocent children.

[@eden_aumakua]

I doubt that he's a monster. Read the entire story of his background.

[@Cyberspine]

We should not sentence people according to emotional impulses, though. A rational society would aim to set the sentence to a level that fosters both rehabilitation and keeping people safe. I doubt adding more years to his sentence would serve either goal nearly as well as focusing on his mental health.

[@Flamsterette]

@@eden_aumakua Mental illness is not a "get out of jail free" card.

[@mercury_rising]

@@Flamsterette In Canada, there is a finding of “not criminally responsible due to mental disorder”. I’m sure most Western countries with similar legal traditions have equivalents.

[@Flamsterette]

@@mercury_rising I'm Canadian and I know that, but this guy should not have that applied to him. He knew what he was doing and caused emotional trauma for the girl.

[@KEliza23]

"As if this wasnt bad enough, she also collected stone unicorns." 😂 Love your dry humor, it helps a little to lighten a dark situation ❤

[@Sk8Bettty]

People like Terrance might not know right from wrong, but they def know there’s a penalty for these actions.

[@zeriousvolt1245]

Knowing right from wrong does not equal knowing there’s a penalty for something, and NOT knowing right from wrong makes it worse. Just look at how different the laws in different countries are pertaining to same behaviour. I don’t think you can blame a mentally ill person for what they do, since the ”apparatus” that distinguishes right from wrong doesn’t work for them. Prison is definitely not the right place for them. There are also a lot of arbitrary assumtions in the narrators opinions.

[@raoulduke344]

of course he knows right from wrong. He turned his phone out to not get caught when he stole from people's tents. He wouldn't have done that if he was this clueless victim.

[@raoulduke344]

@@zeriousvolt1245 He's a danger to children. People like you trying to justify what these people do, calling them victims and sending them back into society is almost as dangerous as the people who hurt them. There's no excuse in the world for justifying that. He knew right from wrong. Shame on you.

[@moderndaymedusa]

The moment it is mentioned that help is needed for a criminal the words get twisted all to hell. A child knows right from wrong, but doesn't always understand the why. Does this mean punishment isn't warranted? Absolutely not. It means the child needs more guidance and understanding as to why the punishment is necessary. No one is saying Kelly doesn't deserve punishment. They are saying they feel he needs that extra guidance because he probably doesn't fully understand the why. Putting a criminal in an institution isn't omitting the punishment. It is still a punishment, but with actual guidance they wouldn't get in a prison cell.

[@raoulduke344]

@moderndaymedusa it depends on the criminal, the crime, and the institution. For some offenders it's actually beneficial for them to get caught and placed in a facility. Plus, he's not a child, and clearly does know right from wrong.

[@megzzcellent]

Love the cacti in the background