Extreme Tourism Leader Believed Safety Was a Waste | Stockton Rush Personality and Titan Case Update

[@jonwesick2844]

After decades as a systems engineer, I'm frustrated by CEOs and business types who believe engineering discipline is too costly and time consuming. They think that they can build things cheaper and faster just because they will it. In my experience, cutting corners never turns out well.

[@irene_f.]

This is why so many jobs went overseas. They do not care about people - they are greedy and their love is for money.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

Agreed. Also my experience as well.

[@Strafuzz]

Quality Assurance saves money and lives

[@gary5737]

My experience working for EDF Energy is the same as this. Circumventing safety measures through ignorance, arrogance and hubris.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

The same is happening in Boeing. The 737 Max were shoddy and safety was relegated.

[@catherinesearle9596]

There's something seriously disturbing about the CEO being so cocky that he would design an "experimental" sub that ignored six decades of industry best practice, good engineering, safety standards and certification, and then get into it himself with the belief that the sub, and apparently he himself, were invincible. That level of delusion took four others with him to their deaths.

[@unaltrocanale4687]

Being super rich makes you overvalue your capabilities. Billionaires also become assholes if they weren't already.

[@catherinewilson1079]

But he was surprisingly bold enough to require his passengers absolve him of all responsibility!!!

[@Dexterosa]

Lol, nothing unusual about that. Unusual is he was that fumb to climb in it himself. Thats unusual. Usually thise just keep away while playing with lives of others.

[@luvthistufft6285]

I wish I could like your comment 1000 times.

[@careercriticalthinker]

The deepest ocean doesn't give a damn how arrogant one can be regarding deep sea exploration.

[@Jennifermcintyre]

What a madman!! He downplays safety and brags about being a reckless rule breaker. When someone is fired for exposing the dangers of the craft.. there’s a massive problem.

[@susanpotts3691]

Wonderfully explained dr. Grande thank you

[@yoeyyoey8937]

And the guy he fired sued him successfully for that. I’m surprised no one seemed to know about or be phased by this

[@Jennifermcintyre]

@@yoeyyoey8937 I’d love to see that guys interview… it’s going to no doubt answer questions people have.. I watched the YT creators video who took this exact tour on this exact craft and they spoke about having 2 batteries and by the end of day diving.. both batteries would be used up. There’s no frikin way there was ever enough batteries to run the heaters or co2 Scrubbers… 96 hours of oxygen is completely impossible without any additional batteries on board. Stockton Rush is lucky he ever had a successful trip to the wreckage.. truly an eminent disaster destined to happen.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@Jennifermcintyre hopefully they at least got their and were able to enjoy the moment before it went wrong

[@Jennifermcintyre]

@@yoeyyoey8937 unfortunately it took 2.5 hours to get to the wreckage and they had only been in the water for 1 hour 45 minutes… other people who had been on the sub said it took an hour or two just to find the ship after getting to the bottom.

[@jondonson4827]

I work for a large airline and one sentence I will always remember is the following: „if you think safety is expensive, try an accident!“ Nuff said!!!

[@UncleDuTheWatchman]

Now THIS needs to be a t-shirt, a bumber sticker, a billboard, a meme, a GIF, a song, a poem a tattoo...ANYTHING memorable, this quote needs to be THAT.

[@dicedrice7216]

"safety is just pure waste" That quote needs to be etched on his tombstone.

[@RoxieEE]

Indeed! If only there were anything left to bury!

[@kellydalstok8900]

@@RoxieEEpeople who can afford it often get a grave even when there’s no body.

[@everydaywithsandra]

Seriously

[@megamond]

Now, he is pure waste and safety prevails in the aftermath.

[@alpyki2588]

​@@RoxieEEI was watching the news yesterday and was laughing at the reporter repeatedly trying to ask if they'll be able to find the bodies. When the sub implodes there's not much to find in one piece. Assuming as well it wasn't eaten by the local wildlife of the ocean.

[@PlebianGorilla]

The teenage boy was the only one who couldn’t have had the proper foresight prior to the mission… RIP to them all, but the one my heart goes out to is him.

[@markbarret6836]

My heart broke for this young man

[@stapes7344]

He was 19. 18 year olds sign up for the military everyday

[@MillennialPawz]

@stapes7344 And that is a sad fact. Young people sign up to risk their lives before they are even allowed to purchase alcohol. Being a legal adult doesn't mean they think or have foresight like actual adults. A person isn't even fully formed at 18 and doesn't have the experience to make such life impacting decisions, yet we allow them to risk their lives for our country.

[@MillennialPawz]

That's how I feel. The men made an active choice to do this, but I don't think a 19 year old has the ability to look past the excitement and make a rational decision about something like this.

[@coweatsman]

He was 19, not 9. He was legally an adult. His signature is on the waiver and other forms, not his father's. He did not have to go. 19 YO men sign up for war and die in war. They vote and they drive.

[@carguy4243]

I once had a history teacher in 6th grade who recently passed away. I remember her saying if you don't learn anything else in my class, just learn that history repeats itself.

[@mothstoflames]

That’s exactly what my 7th grade history teacher would tell us often. She even had a mural in our classroom with the famous quote that read: “Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.”

[@rjeckardt8863]

What an amazingly important lesson. That teacher was a wise intuitive soul. :)

[@808INFantry11X]

Well History never repeats itself but it does rhyme. The lesson maybe simular but the people, situations are different.

[@rjeckardt8863]

@@808INFantry11X When we say, 'history repeats itself,' what we're saying (and what we mean) is that the same type of thing happens over and over, and that is definitely true. Every heard of Donal J. Trump, the Orange Criminal? His history of criminality (same playbook, over and over again,) is an obvious example.

[@brusso456]

if you don't learn anything else in life, just learn that history repeats itself. just after most people have forgotten history.

[@hendriksmedia]

Well, Stockton Rush will absolutely be remembered for the rules he broke. Congratulations.

[@sammas2959]

Before today, I didn't even know him. I doubt a lot of people knew or cared about this guy!! Just like a ripple, he disappeared!

[@FischerFan]

Hopefully, this tragedy will offer a deadly reminder to those entrepreneurial egotists who push the limits to the point of compromising, and even sacrificing, fundamental safety.

[@judithargitay9860]

I read somewhere Stockton Rush said once he did not want to work with experienced sub engineers as "they are all 50 something year old white men" (or something along those lines), he rather chose young, ambitious engineers in their twenties. I'm sorry, but this is narcissism to say the least. R.I.P. all passengers and condolences to the families and friends.

[@moniqueloomis9772]

He was talking about himself. He fits that description. That said, he didn't mean a word of it.

[@RiaG777]

It seems he wanted to avoid pushback from seasoned professionals.

[@dh-uo4lt]

Narcissists seem to have big weird haircuts like stockton. Rod blagojevich also

[@dianeosther6471]

He did not want to be challenged about his hare brained design and their gross safety violations. He terminated and sued an employee who had the temerity to state safety issues needed to be addressed.

[@elijahhernandez906]

​@@dh-uo4ltthey do?

[@simonfoster9426]

"These wealthy adventurers rationalize the trips by claiming they promote science or technology but in reality they´re just looking for the next high." This one really got me. Really puts things in perspective with a lot of contemporary exploratory endeavors.

[@nettwench]

Spot on. These were not scientific expeditions at all. Nor were the people on board "explorers." To this guy these were marketing terms to appeal to rich people's egos.

[@justnana13-klj40]

Adrenaline junkies..

[@johnmellor932]

I mean, there's only so many super cars you can buy, luxury holidays and villas. No wonder they get bored, they either become chronic alcoholics or drug addicts or spend their money on Space travel or some other life threatening shit.

[@ciararespect4296]

​@@nettwenchas i said before giving the title mission specialists was just a stroke for their egos . Oceangate knew that it would bring in the dollars. Flattery gets you everywhere it seems

[@yiqiwang]

Tragedy? yes indeed. What caused this Tragedy? money. Now a days rich men make way too much. What they are suffering is how to spend. There is only one bed to sleep, one stomach to fill, one wife to sleep...that is sucks. So that some smart guys find ways to help. One is going to deep sea, another is space. Now the real tragedy is the taxpayers, how much the Coast Gard and media need to spend?

[@capsuleboi]

It makes a lot of sense now why Stockton Rush hired college graduates straight outta school instead of seasoned, experienced engineers: Rush didn't want to hear all that whining about "catastrophic danger" from real sub fabricators and college kids would be much less likely to question & go against his mantra & philosophies of safety in the sub industry, which was alarming to people who knew a thing about subs. I guess telling your boss that his precious tin can is a human blender waiting to happen is a real buzzkill for potential clients.

[@kimmuckenfuss2284]

I couldn't agree more. Also, I keep thinking about how his employees waited 8 HOURS before notifying the Coast Guard. You just know they were all like "geez, we don't wanna piss off Stockton by jumping the gun." It's so pathetic. Stockton wanted a bunch of youngsters around so they'd hero-worship him & he'd never have to hear the word "no."

[@rosanneshinkle4133]

You nailed it. Bravo!

[@geo525252]

Exactly!

[@lj8329]

I feel so bad for these students that were under Rush’s spell or too scared of reprimand or losing their jobs to say anything. They must be in emotional and ethical turmoil right now.

[@FischerFan]

He probably also preferred hiring that young, cheap labour compared to qualified, experienced experts.

[@nottoo1891]

I have had four friends in my 73 years who could not see life-threatening danger in their actions or adventures. All have been killed by their actions or adventures. Truly, foresight must be honored as much as hind site is 20/20.

[@Garf_malarf]

I honestly can’t believe the dad let his kid on that death trap. The first page of the waiver had the word death in it 3 times! You never put your child in a dangerous situation like that. smh rip

[@tisha954]

I agree. I would not.

[@SabrinaRose_]

He just wanted to be with his Dad for Father's Day 😢 And now they're both gone...

[@RawOlympia]

😪😭😭he pushed his own child into a sea coffin! My heart is broken!😭😭😭

[@Jamieson-H]

Totally agree with the rage and sentiments. Father should have gone alone. A 19 year old, gone too soon. Rush was reckless and he knew the trip was going to be disastrous. Rush wanted to be remembered and it was all about him. I am so angered yet so sad

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

You don't transport your child in a car? You don't allow them to play contact sports? You don't allow them to ride a bicycle? Where do you draw the line? Will you follow your 19 yo child around in a helicopter constantly on the alert for any signs of danger? You can't live life without risks, though admittedly that was an extreme risk I would not have taken. The son was a 19 yo man who chose to get in, regardless of hesitating or Father's Day. He wasn't hogtied.

[@kated3165]

When the CEO is going to be on that sub right next to you, I think you can be forgiven to assume that he cares about his own life (in the very least) and thus that he will have made sure everything about the expedition is as safe as such an expedition can possibly be. What you don't naturally assume is that the guy might actually just be some crazy dude who cuts safety corners left and right and is being incredibly reckless with everyone's lives (including his own).

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

We still don't know if maybe the sub got damaged somehow while it was in storage for a year. The fact is, you still have no idea what caused this. It could certainly be something he allowed, but it is definitely a good possibility that someone dropped it from the lift or dinged one of the welds when moving it in or out of storage, etc... What im saying is you dont know if it was one of the shortcuts he took that was even responsible yet. Even aside from that, its still possible the media has completely misrepresented this so far....if you want to see how badly twisted they can get things, just go look up COVID coverage from 2019. Almost everything we know today was already common knowledge among medical circles in China by November 2019, but just look how off base these same media groups were even six months later....they can definitely get something in their collective heads and go all confirmation bias, industry-wide for a while. You could probably still find people involved with him who had very opposite opinions of him if you looked.,,you really just cant get a good picture this early.

[@khernandez46]

​@@ChadDidNothingWrongThe guy ADMITTED to not caring about the safety of the sub and to subpar materials to operate it. He DELIBERATELY ignored many MANY warnings about how UNSAFE this sub really was.

[@irene_f.]

@@ChadDidNothingWrong Storage for a year? Was it not checked, inspected prior to their death trap trip?

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

@@ChadDidNothingWrong OK defend him and say it might have been just an accident. Carbon Fiber is a poor choice for that application. It has been tested and proven. It is based on physics and material science. I bet it was handled and stored fine. It was a poor design. If there was damage due to handling or storage, then OceanGate did a poor job of pre-mission inspection. Either way, poor execution and design. I think the original poster had it right. I would be willing to bet he actually said "Don't worry. If I didn't think this was 100% safe, I wouldn't be going with you would I" or some crap like that. You can easily envision this by the previous interviews and his careless, cavalier attitude.

[@NealBurkard-ut1oo]

​@SuperPhunThyme9 even if that did happen he's still the party at fault. The implosion was the #1 risk basically like gravity is for planes. He even custom built it. The only way I see a 3rd party could hold some responsibility is if there was an intended sabotage

[@rayross997]

Some wise person said that history is new people making the same old mistakes. Thanks for all your work Dr. Grande.

[@songbirdy27]

Sigmund Freud is the wise person that you speak of!!

[@arbonneladyTN]

Yes! Love that quote! My mom always said: “What was old, is new again”

[@michellejohnsen912]

Ecclesiastes 1:9 King James Version 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[@daughterofsekhmet81]

Everyone always thinks it'll be different for them

[@dpasek1]

The engineering design rule that Rush broke is; "You can't push a rope." Specifically, he used a design for a pressure vessel that intends for the material, carbon fiber composite, to be subjected to pure tension, which it is ideally suited for, in an application which is really a type of vacuum chamber. This latter application puts the material in pure compression, which carbon fiber, or any other fiber composite for that matter, cannot support. The compressive stress was borne almost entirely by the resin binder that was used to glue the carbon fiber strands together. Eventually, the material delaminated on a microscopic scale after repeated cyclic stresses, resulting in sudden brittle failure. The resulting enormously powerful water hammer completely pulverized the fiber composite cylinder and all of its contents. Carbon fiber composite parts are known to fail suddenly with little warning and their fatigue life is difficult to evaluate.

[@barneyronnie]

Reminds me of my seminar in ' Advanced Strengths of Materials ' which I took while pursuing my PhD in Continuum Mechanics. Advanced Tensor Methods was one of my favorite courses. Reinhold Von Treffencaunbowz, MBBS, PhD

[@koobie83]

@@DeniseK-Creativerich people can get away with a lot. He probably paid his way through his degree.

[@Bustermachine]

@@koobie83 Honestly, a lot of engineers just plane forget huge swaths of their schooling. Whatever specialty they go into is one where they're typically getting mentored by more experienced engineers, and that on the job experience rapidly takes precedent. Incidentally, this is probably why Rush wanted young employees. It wasn't progressive minded. He just wanted people he could easily pressure without getting pushback. This is reminding me of my engineer ethics class in college. My professor made it very clear to us that he expected we'd be at our most vulnerable to being pressured into signing off on things we shouldn't when we were fresh out of school.

[@MrAlipatik]

@@Bustermachine Well, sadly most fresh grads will do anything to have the first job. Working on subs that represents state of the art - cutting edge tech, is very enticing. They will get pummeled to submission.

[@ShikokuFoodForest]

What is hard to believe us Stockton Rush was unaware of this or arrogantly chose to ignore it.

[@BobYoung-q4z]

For any person worried about disappointing someone's expectations of them in joining them on a thrill seeking adventure, Don't be. This is the lesson.

[@CherishEachDay2023]

Amen to that. Having fun is one thing but putting yourself and other’s especially a teenager in this kind of danger is inexcusably arrogant and reckless. I am surprised the mother allowed but she must be devastated now.

[@laughingwaters8309]

I'm so upset on his behalf. I think children of wealthy parents often mature a little more slowly because so much is done for them and they are dependent on the parents for a continued lifestyle. He didn't have all the best decision making skills yet. His father failed him big time.

[@Dean21219]

But what if they double dog dare ya!

[@ckp2ator389]

Though it's hard to go against a father's expectation at the young age of 19. Poor kid. Parents are supposed to protect their children at all costs, any risk is bad when it comes to your children, what was wrong with the guy.

[@ckp2ator389]

@@CherishEachDay2023 Yes, I feel so sorry for the mother. We all make questionable decisions in our lives at one point or another (or don't stand up to an authority figure). It turned out awful in what she may have delegated to her husband...he may have had the power dynamics in their marriage and parenting, and she didn't have any say-so

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

People like Stockton Rush are why regulations are needed. Now if you don't want regulations in this 'wild west', then you need to have insurance or hire a contractor to come do the rescue mission -- and not have public taxpayer money get squeezed dry trying to find and rescue you from such an enormous undertaking.

[@verbalkint1770]

The saying "more money than brains" comes to mind.

[@danw1089]

We’ve got plenty of “regulation “

[@TheAlexpaul007]

You cannot regulate the ocean unfortunately. Regulations on a business might be possible but still not sure how they would regulate something a business or anyone does in international waters.

[@Aware_Bear]

@@danw1089 regulation save lives. If you're only counting financial cost and not the cost of human lives, that's a problem.

[@w1z4rd9]

Why does someone oppose such regulations?

[@10191927]

The 19 year old son was actually worried about getting on this sub, his fears were well founded.

[@gordon3186]

Please cite a source.

[@DRB5000]

You dont know that. Stop making things up

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Imagine even this kid knew it was sketchy wth were the adults thinking

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@gordon3186his mother talks about it in an interview

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@DRB5000It’s true his mom said it

[@srnineproject5569]

As a person who knew Stockton, I can confirm that your analysis is pretty spot on.

[@piiinkDeluxe]

The tea. I'm sorry for your loss.

[@EsmeraldaSyltern]

How did you know him?

[@srnineproject5569]

@@EsmeraldaSyltern I worked at another company he owned some years back.

[@EsmeraldaSyltern]

@@srnineproject5569 how was he as a boss? From what I’ve read about him people seem split between him being a caring person or a cocky know it all

[@CashCowz962]

He should have gone down there alone....

[@kurtramos9190]

RIP to all 5 of the Titan passengers. In particular, I feel bad for the teenager, who reportedly reluctantly went only to spend time with his father on Father's Day. May the many refugees who have drowned lately also RIP.

[@PlebianGorilla]

I honestly only feel bad for the teen. He was the only one who couldn’t really have had the foresight the others would’ve.

[@wlenore8071]

Amen 🙏 very saddening for all but especially the 19 year old who couldn’t have fully comprehended the severity of the situation he found himself in.

[@vixxxenfoxxx3660]

As a parent I just can't fathom how the father let his son go in such an extremely dangerous (not adventurous) ride. How big does one ego have to be to put your financial status before your kid's safety? Were the bragging rights really worth the risk?

[@DarthFurie]

The loss of the 19 year old young man is the only one that truly hurts my heart

[@WhitneyDahlin]

​@@DarthFurieyeah I agree! Poor kid! He just wanted to make his father happy on fathers day. It really does hurt my heart. I heard he was extremely nervous about going too. 😢

[@bridgetxrose]

I feel so badly for the 19 year old man who was terrified to go on this trip. He did it to make his father happy, to spend time with him on fathers day. And now they are both dead. Truly sad.

[@blaknbeauty1]

Ok ok ok ok. Stop for a minute. Where are you getting the information that the didn't want to go on this sea trip. Please cite that source.

[@SirenaSpades]

Who says he was terrified?

[@thelogicaldanger]

@@blaknbeauty1His aunt gave an interview and that is what she said, you can google to find it.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

But he wasn't hogtied. He got in under his own freewill, regardless of Father's Day and wanting to make Dad happy, etc. If my Dad had asked me to get in there with him, I would have told him to phuq himself, even though I loved my Dad (RIP).

[@SilverSparkles22]

​@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lzWell perhaps the young man had more respect for his father/ wouldn't have dared speak to his father they way you would with yours! You do know just because you would/wouldn't make certain choices in life doesn't make you right and everyone else wrong?!

[@pambennett3390]

I couldn’t be sadder for the teenager. 4 adults who should have refused to allow him to risk his life for something this stupid. The kid’s mother will never recover. Another death.

[@JoannaEve]

Wasn’t he 19. Regardless all the deaths are tragic 😔

[@lynnhoffmann247]

His aunt said he didn’t want to go but since it was Father’s Day he agreed. 😢

[@kated3165]

@@lynnhoffmann247 Oh god, that makes everything so much worst...

[@SleepySuperhero]

Omg, his poor mother. If she knew he didn't want to go, and didn't fight her husband... the survivor's guilt for their families will be very real and profound.

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

I think these assumptions are disrespectful... Youre assuming he was immature and mentally stunted. A well adjusted person has plenty of clarity by the time the state finally considers you an adult.. Not everyone is like the stunted children of the American boomer generation lol.

[@PhonyBalagna]

It's comforting to hear they were crushed faster than nerves can even signal pain the brain

[@Muddy283]

But maybe not faster than their ears could register fatigue noises presaging implosion.

[@billp4]

@@Muddy283 and losing control and spiraling down hearing that snap crackle pop.

[@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking]

Hearing Stockton was employed during the horrific anti-safety culture period at MacDonald Douglass...ah! All I need to know about that man. The company made defective passenger airplane doors, caused crashes - and covered it up!

[@white5mage]

_safe and effective_ planes, you know

[@An_Drea_Calling]

​@@white5mageah, so you detected the parallels between this experimental v and the other experimental v

[@elisabethbordin982]

The only one to feel sorrow for is the teenager.. all the others were reckless fools… besides that fact keep in mind how many risk their own lives to rescue these folks… since the oceangate was an extremely wealthy and adrenaline addicted individual they should be have to pay for the cost of the search and salvage procedures

[@Allaiya.]

@@elisabethbordin982 PH was being paid to be there as he was an expert researcher. He knew the risks going in & I'm sure accepted it

[@lonerebeI]

Right!

[@jondrew55]

I think the real criticism of Rush is not so much he put his life at risk, it's that he was comfortable selling that risk to others. But of course they have to accept part of that responsibility too. The biggest victim was that guy's son, who apparently was not really keen on that trip, but wanted to please his dad on Father's Day.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

progressives gloss over or dismiss a lot of things in order to satisfy their agenda or adopted principles. in this case, he chose to hire less qualified people because old white ex military guys were not "inspirational", he chose to disregard manufacture safety ratings again probably because it didn't suit his worldview that boundaries and limits must always be pushed and structure and reason must be "deconstructed". well, his submarine deconstructed just 1000 meters, exactly where the manufacturer said it would. sometimes it's wise to listen to old white guys.

[@kellykane7586]

Yes heartbreaking as we all imagine a situation like this with our own children

[@m.h.6499]

It’s such a gut punch, knowing that that teenager didn’t want to do it. His aunt said he was “terrified” and “not okay” with the descent, but did it to please his Dad.😔 I can’t make myself blame the father. I think Stockton Rush was a big talker, a smooth operator, and we know now that he lied. (He is on camera saying he collaborated on Titan with NASA and Boeing, but they’ve both issued statements stating that wasn’t true). I think his presence onboard was supposed to convince the others it was safe. But as Dr. Grande said, Rush thought he was special. I think the submersible was an extension of himself, and he was incapable of seeing any flaw in it. People tried to stop Stockton Rush. I am so sad that they failed.😔

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

Everyone was well aware of the risk. People sell risk to others all the time. This just happened to make headlines because a horrendous tragedy was involved.

[@lindajohnson7675]

Not sure I imagine this with my own children. IF one of my kids had the opportunity to go but didn't want to go, I'd have MADE SURE HE DID NOT GO!

[@larscederberg8564]

Stockton Rush must have had an incredible way of convincing and instilling trust to get people to pay 250.000 each for a ticket in a death trap

[@sparthyslaysstuff2405]

He's the dealer, the people ponying up 250k are already primed to accept what he's selling.

[@yfa6244]

It wasn't on purpose. He had several previous runs before this one that were successful.

[@ariefraiser140]

Not really. I got to ask you....Have you ever flown in an airplane? Did you know the safety record record of every plane you stepped in? Few of us are experts in these type of things and we depend on government regulations to ensure the vessels we travel in at safe whether it's a car, plane, or sea vessel.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

You really think most rich people make money by NOT being good at conning others?

[@Watcher6868]

@@yoeyyoey8937they are usually excellent at linking others and stealing from them.

[@loribreitbarth2215]

I often tell executives at my company ‘You cannot bully or intimidate technology to be what you want it to be’. I feel often because they so badly want it to be true, they ignore anything said that disproves that. This isn’t Star Trek people and you can’t just ‘Make it so’.

[@tonyg3091]

You are wrong. Steve Jobs did just that in the iPod.

[@alw6589]

No you don’t

[@Gizziiusa]

we need more power, Scotty !!! Im giver her all I got, Capt !!!!

[@egm8602]

​@@tonyg3091Bad example. Steve Jobs tried to bully/intimidate medical science and quickly died of pancreatic cancer as a result.

[@LAGuitarnetwork]

The CEO’s arrogance was astounding and it’s shameful that father placed his young son in harms way. RIP to the others.

[@GnosticAtheist]

Ill say RIP to the son, even though he was old enough to sign, I accept that the father probably influenced him above acceptable levels. The others, if of age, made their own fate. They saw that tub and went in anyways, after completing a contract that said "you gonna die lol". I just cant feel for them. I feel sorry for those that are left, of course, but other than that they have to accept their loved ones killed themselves.

[@Nicole-tk8xv]

there's been a update that the father pressured him into it and it was father's day so the son did it for him

[@RealmCenter40]

At least no boring 50 year old white guys were employed in its construction to fulfill his vision. “I thought of a 53rd gender, I’m the most woke.” Stockton Rush: “hold my beer”.

[@youtubeuserzzzz]

Repeat of arrogance. Sounds like the few rich of the RMS Titanic of 1912 all over again.

[@LAGuitarnetwork]

Also seems like the CEO was suffering nepotism

[@MisterLumpkin]

It's sad that a 19 year old, who didn't seem to want to go in the first place, lost his life.

[@mysterycheez]

It really breaks my heart.

[@warriormanmaxx8991]

19 year old did NOT want to go ... an example of "listening to one's intuition." John F.Kennedy had an intuition about NOT going to Dallas Texas ... world changed for the worse as a result !!

[@JaguarPriest]

@@mysterycheezdoesn’t break mine . His dad is a world economic forum member. The literal antichrist of humanity. Good that his male bloodline got wiped out. We don’t need those kinds of evil people reproducing.

[@ElizabethDebeer-kd3fe]

Did his father ordered him to go?

[@QUINTUSMAXIMUS]

@@ElizabethDebeer-kd3fe He didn't order him, but he probably felt pressured to do so. Very irresponsible for the father to take him on such a dive. I guess the father assumed that nothing happened before and the CEO was going. But the CEO ignored safety warnings. He was a narcissist.

[@SincerelyEmilyRose]

The company firing an employee who came out stating that this was extremely dangerous says it all

[@callalilly1988]

I really think the CEO was a narcissist. I don't know his history but the level of disregard, lack of empathy, entitlement, and arrogance that this has all over it is really pointing towards it.

[@blablatructruc]

Most millionaires and billionaires are. You don’t get THAT rich by caring about what other people tell you (be they well meaning or not). Heart goes out to the mum, waste of a kid’s life.

[@mortalclown3812]

​@@blablatructruclol untrue/unrealistic re: all millionaires. There are a great many of them. Posting your own CV would be interesting. I know two retired teachers who have a million dollars by being frugal - except for many gifts to charity. The mote in our own eyes bears closer scrutiny.

[@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ]

Ya think? He said in an interview that his submersible, the Titan, was indestructible. The interviewer responded, “You mean, like the same thing they said about the Titanic?”, and Rush said, “Yeah, pretty much”. That sounds like a narcissist to me.

[@vb8801]

​@@mortalclown3812firstly, the person you're responding to said "some" not all. Secondly, 2 retired teachers with 1 million dollars won't get very far these days. Thirdly, your anecdotal experience of 2 retired teachers is irrelevant to the discussion. Edited to add: I very much doubt these 2 teachers saved a million dollars through "frugality", more likely their net worth increased due to investments and property ownership. Saving a million dollars through frugality would require saving $25,000 each year for 40 years. I call shenanigans on that being attainable.

[@Romne]

​@@mortalclown3812Stockton negligently murdered his own customers....and he should be vilified for his actions as a selfish villain. Get out of here with this pseudo- religious criticism of being critical of this selfish, reckless and sociopathic man, Stockton Rush, who caused the deaths of 4 others just to help fund his own selfish desires to make a name for himself as the "Captain Kirk" of explorers. He should be charged with manslaughter at the very least and should be sued in to financial oblivion.

[@katarina1852]

Wendy Rush’s great-great grandparents’ resting place is among the Titanic wreckage, now her husband Stockton’s resting place is nearby. The son who joined his father on this trip was fearful about going but reportedly said he decided to go anyway because Sunday, June 18 was Father’s Day. Stockton was clearly a daredevil but he shouldn’t have been so careless with other people’s lives. Update: I’ve later learned Wendy’s great-great grandmother’s body was recovered but not her great-great grandfather.

[@tomhammer1784]

Wouldn’t a concrete building block chained to his leg achieved the same results? Resting with the Titanic dead.

[@elcapitanjack911S]

Great comment Ms Katarina. u stated it perfectly..thanks

[@mandywood3327]

And yet the other passengers went willingly enough. Would I ever do something as adventurous? No, I lack the spirit of adventure. Can we hold Stockton completely responsible for the deaths of his passengers? I don't feel we can. A little investigation of his risk taking by those who wanted to experience adventure would have allowed the passengers to understand that huge risk was involved. The world would not be as developed without those prepared and willing to take big risks. So my hats off to all of these brave men. The choice made by the young 19 year old Suleman is still a choice he made, albeit a tragic one. I can only imagine the thrill of the experience father and son felt as they embarked on this quest, each with their own motives. Son was pleasing his Dad and Dad was thrilled that he and his son were experiencing this adventure together. The fact that it ended in their death is sad, but it's not the whole story.

[@deepseadirt1]

Isidor Strauss's body was recovered; Ida's wasn't

[@michaelcoletta4547]

The only mitigating factor is that he was willing to put his money where his mouth was.... he didn't just stick paying customers into his experimental vessel and let them take all the risks while he cashed in.

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

I've never met an extreme activities lover who wasn't utterly self absorbed.

[@martini3524]

Now that you mention it, self-absorbsion is the pivot on which narccissism swings.

[@rockybalboa4593]

@@martini3524. Most narcisisstic and sociopathic people are thrill seekers and adrenaline junkies

[@ChikkenTender]

I know that's right!!

[@Justin-cx8lv]

money

[@arc210]

I don’t know too much about James Cameron, but he seems pretty well centred

[@jeanmyers1787]

I feel so sorry for 19 year old son who was terrified but wanted to please his father.

[@kitty_s23456]

@jean - I do too. His mom (and sister) lost husband & son/ brother. It's good that the mom & her daughter can comfort each other. Many people are saying that why didn't the kid back out if he had hesitations? Answer is, he wanted to please his dad and he felt honor-bound to do so. He's Asian (Pakistani) and in many Asian families, esp conservative ones, you OBEY your parents. (of course there are exceptions) Just look at the stories of tiger moms and tiger parents. Watch the skits of Steven He (emotional damage!) and Two Set Violin (Ling-ling is always better!). There's truth behind the comedies. I'm sure other Asian people would agree (I'm Asian myself).

[@suehead109]

I watched a recent interview with the mother and wife of the two men lost in the Titan disaster, and she said she gave her spot on the sub to her son as he was so excited at the prospect of seeing the wreck of Titanic.

[@plcoyle]

I believe these souls are all better-off now.

[@dianesozio7035]

I saw that quick interview clip also. She showed absolutely NO EMOTION whatsoever. Not one tear. This whole thing is extremely suspicious🙄😳

[@borislavamladenova4268]

​@dianesozio7035 everyone grieves differently. It's is extremely distasteful to imply that she isn't grieving because she isn't doing it the way you expect her to. Disgraceful actually.

[@juliedaniels5594]

Yes, it’s sad they’ve perished but how many times do rescuers have to risk their lives for those that seek excitement? And how much does the taxpayer have to pay for these rescues? Considering the rate of homelessness, children in poverty, and the need for health care, I know where my money would go. I think their estates should pay for all expenses.

[@castorkat4868]

bet you dont mind it going to pay for fancy hotel rooms and free cell phones for illegals though

[@slsilver481]

I agree but sadly I doubt their wealthy families will pay a penny towards the rescue efforts. I do understand that nations can't just say "Oh well - they could be trapped at the bottom of the ocean with their air running out but we don't care." The moral imperative is to act. Yet how many millions did it cost to have all those Navies looking for them, and why can't we mobilize that kind of money to save kids in our own countries who don't have food or medical care.

[@johnmellor932]

To be fair it's their job. To rescue.

[@BILLY-px3hw]

The dad should have taken his son to give out fathers day meals to homeless men who through mental illness and addiction messed up their lives and lost contact with their children, sometimes it means a lot to people to show them there are still people who care, it costs way less then $500,000 and they would still be alive today

[@irene_f.]

@@BILLY-px3hw That was not the character of that man.

[@scurvofpcp]

They say that every OSHA rule is written in blood. And they say that behind every safety label there is a tragic story of an idiot that made it necessary. And as someone with an electrical eng degree, who has worked in both naval and aviation settings this story is so Fed up that I don't even know where to begin with it.

[@thatsclassicher1149]

100%.

[@allewis4008]

Well said

[@IndigoBellyDance]

When I heard him joke about how ‘everything else could fail’ & how he Jimmy rigged so much of this sub. Stockton had No idea about reality of the deep sea or submarine.

[@peterwestre1010]

They bet on the over engineered theory to keep them safe.

[@PennelopeWhitmore]

That's what happens when you hire people because of their skin color and sexuality instead of experience and skill set. Just think ,our whole entire government is run this way at the moment. Our vice president was picked because she was a woman and isn't white.

[@MLLambert]

"The world needs people like Stockton Rush. But it also needs a realistic view of their motives and limitations." Wonderful summary.

[@pepperkilldevelopment9069]

World don’t need arrogant people like him . World need more like Elon musk

[@larrylmedina]

The world needs people like Rush because who else would win Darwin Awards?

[@pepperkilldevelopment9069]

@@larrylmedina 😂 if you put it that way I agree

[@sidharthafocus]

I'd say "a more realistic way to restrain and regulate their motives and limitations".

[@Romulan2469]

@@pepperkilldevelopment9069 And Elon isn't arrogant? Don't be fooled by appearances.

[@Dust_andAshes]

Can you imagine having two members of your family pass on the Titanic, and then have your husband pass right near the very ship that took your great grandparents?? My heart goes out to all the families of these 5 people, especially the 19 year old.

[@lynnkayee1015]

The fact the teen didn't even really want to go and was afraid is so heartbreaking. 💔

[@JMARTIN1947]

The teen who died was probably an Islamic virgin. I wonder if he ever met an American coed who puts out and who he wanted to impress with his father's money. Now, instead of having a "dirty weekend" with some slag at Arizona State College, he is paste at the bottom of the ocean. It all shows that a risk-benefit analysis is valuable.

[@karenpearson6991]

His wife encouraged him in the business.

[@peterwexler5737]

My heart goes out only to the 19 year old. The rest of them are just where they belong.

[@KhanMann66]

Nah the CEO can rot in hell. His ego and narcissism lead to this tragedy.

[@_Fluorescent_]

Very sad. It makes sense that it would implode. Given what the CEO himself said about the materials he used, and breaking rules, and then finding out that they had no certification or proper testing done. He had done 37 trips before this one. It wouldn’t surprise me if overtime all of that pressurizing and depressurizing didn’t destabilize some part of that craft. It was probably only a matter of time. And the saddest part is that a 19-year-old kid lost his life as a result.

[@MyMomSaysImKeen]

Stockton is feeling a lot of pressure now for his safety negligence.

[@isbestlizard]

Fatigue failure is so well known it's criminal if this CEO just thought 'well if it works one time it's good forevermore' and didn't do any research into crack propogation during cyclic loading of carbon fibre pressure vessels

[@jhoughjr1]

Yeah was not a good Father’s Day. Death was on the waiver three times. A father shouldn’t have put his son in that situation

[@williammunny6061]

@@MyMomSaysImKeenYou know. These jokes on the situation really shows how people can sink so low nowadays 😊 pun intended

[@allewis4008]

He seemed to have an inability of mitigating risks, like a gambler. Just because driving is a risky venture, you still want to have the vehicle satisfy safety standards.

[@patriciasamuell9096]

What you said about rich people not being fulfilled by the ordinary things that most of us are satisfied with was very thought provoking. The parallels with the fate of those on Titanic was poetic. Thanks.

[@ZingaraJoe]

The Titanic was loaded with the poor, there aren't many authors interested in their life stories and fewer still people who want to read about them.

[@lindacosma2064]

The parallels were almost creepy ..like Rush called this diaster into being

[@patriciasamuell9096]

Yes. Probably had a death wish but sadly took four others with him.

[@yiqiwang]

Tragedy? yes indeed. What caused this Tragedy? money. Now a days rich men make way too much. What they are suffering is how to spend. There is only one bed to sleep, one stomach to fill, one wife to sleep...that is sucks. So that some smart guys find ways to help. One is going to deep sea, another is space. Now the real tragedy is the taxpayers, how much the Coast Gard and media need to spend?

[@rickbrenner6079]

Wealthy people, in general, have had many successes in their lives and many things in their life have “gone their way”, be it through nepotism, hard work, or incredible talent in a given field. While they’ve had failures, their successes far outweigh their failures and they grow a false sense of “invincibility” (especially wealthy, high risk-taking men). High risk-taking wealthy people are not satisfied with living the mundane life of the “ordinary Joe”. They want to live an “extraordinary life” and some wealthy folks perceive this as consisting of having the courage and wherewithal to “go where few men have gone before”. And that’s where these high-risk, extreme tourism “adventures” come in. These wealthy men (and some wealthy women) disregard the high-risk aspect of the “adventure” because of this false sense of invincibility, especially if the “reward” at the end of the adventure is something they highly value or deeply care about, (or think other wealthy people who they want to “impress” deeply care about and they think this will gain them a certain kind of respect or admiration among these other wealthy folks they are trying to “impress”).

[@BridgetR72]

A word that came to mind for Stockton was hubris. I kept wondering why the paying passengers, especially Hamish Harding, didn't thoroughly vet OceanGate but they kept refering to him as an "adventurer." To me, that meant he was a thrill seeker and had to keep chasing those thrills. He had the money to do so. Like many, I feel saddest for the 19 yr old son. His adult life snuffed out, before he could live and enjoy it. Your analysis is spot on. James Cameron also had some strong words and opinions about this disaster, that didn't have to happen. He also mentioned arrogance and hubris when referring to Stockton and the Captain of the Titanic.

[@agnesgoodwin2706]

Rush was the Captain

[@crm208]

Rush reminds me of a fast talking fly by nite car salesman trying to sell his "cream puff" to unsuspecting customers. 😏

[@betsyj59]

The big question for me is why was the French diver and "Titanic expert" on that trip? That guy had been down to the Titanic 32 times or something like that and he'd gone on much, much, much better submersibles. What would possess him to go? Was he paid to go? Maybe he was a necessary lure to get the three paying guests? (As in, "I'm going down on a 'research' submersible with Paul-Henri Nargeolet!"). Paying him to go would seem counter productive, though, because apparently Rush was in financial difficulties with that company and was being sued at the time of the incident. Anyway, a lot of strange stuff about the whole thing, including the designation of the paying guests as "mission specialists." Apparently Rush did this so that he didn't face the same requirements as he would if they were called "passengers" or "guests" or whatever. I first thought it was just "super-rich guy" ridiculousness but just recently read that Rush gave them those titles and briefly trained each passenger to do something necessary on the trip so the "mission specialist" title would have legal weight.

[@drewray4U]

Nobody can speculate better than Dr. Grande

[@markbarret6836]

He hits the head of the nail as they say

[@RawOlympia]

: )

[@powerhouse884]

Aaah, Yes James Cameron can definitely speculate better. He even knew by Monday about the Radar that registered the implosion before the Media made it public today.

[@JoeLaFon3]

Yikes. No heart huh?

[@ericstevens8744]

Heart for what ? They spent their money to die

[@briannakimick]

He seemed narcissistic, truly believing nothing he created could go wrong

[@rw7975]

I'm from a narcissistic family myself and diagnosed ASPD+NPD I could diagnose him from here; this guy is the same person as my father and had blatant struggles with reality testing.

[@vicvega3614]

@@rw7975 reality testing? What does that mean?

[@MrTwinkieeater]

Seemed? That's an understatement, lol

[@rw7975]

@@vicvega3614 I'm self aware so I can explain this now with less horror and humiliation. NPD/grandiosity leaves the afflicted not fully participating in reality; the individual is trapped in a psychotic state. Perceiving one's self as god like, omnipotent and all important - thus the behaviors and decision making are extensions... immune from criticism. 'Reality testing' refers to the rejection of narratives (what's actually happening) that don't affirm the grandiosity/importance. It can get very dark and serious - literally delusional beliefs etc.

[@graysonwalker]

This guy was like that dummy John John Kennedy

[@bokehintheussr5033]

Everything that's come out in the last 24 hours is indicating that Stockton Rush is 100% to blame for what has happened. This guy's ego and stubborness was astounding. He was totally negligent, clearly had a huge chip on his shoulder and seems to have taken all warnings that his submersible was unsafe as evidence confirming a bizarre delusion that he was being persecuted by the wider submersible community. He then seems to have deliberately ignored all the warning signs that proved him wrong. one guy that went down on Titan said that Rush even told him to navigate using the cracking sounds in the hull! The louder the cracks the deeper the water! That is f***ing nuts!

[@zachhoward9099]

Everything that came out since Monday or Tuesday pointed to Rush having gotten them all killed last Sunday. Only people who think mass media is a reliable source of information thought they may have been alive somehow, it was all news corporations feeding on peoples gullibility for ratings

[@koobie83]

What the f***?!!! He liked the cracking sounds? Omg

[@manager4409]

inheriting wealth probably gave him a big inferiority complex and desire to make himself famous.

[@bokehintheussr5033]

​@@manager4409 Its worrying that some people are naive enough to assume that just because someone has the funding for something like oceangate that they therefore must know what they're doing.

[@kirstenpatel]

Cracking sounds happen in submarines made out of steel and titanium, too. In fact, they actually put a rope around, and it slackens the deeper it gets. It's the pressure from the ocean, and it compresses the structure. The problem is that the Titan was structurally unsound. Untested and had cyclical failure. The glibness that Rush had about all these problems is unconscionable. Rest in peace for those who lost their lives in this tragedy. 112 years later and we are still repeating the mistakes of the most documented disaster in our memory.

[@rezat.ashtiani1338]

They should have asked around before signing up for this. Almost everyone in that small community knew what was going on. It's mind blowing how easily they were convinced this was safe.

[@rainydaywoman5758]

That was my thought exactly. How did two scientists, and one millionaire father (smart enough to run a billion dollar family business) believe a man who was a hack, smh?

[@ostrich67]

Narcissists have the uncanny ability to convince anyone of anything, no matter how absurd.

[@tingle2323]

​@@ostrich67the way Stockton rush talk..it surely feel that he knows what he is doing and also are positive

[@ostrich67]

@@tingle2323 People would rather follow a confident idiot than an expert who stammers.

[@lordjim3109]

They didn`t need to be convinced by anybody and they felt they didn`t need to ask around about anything whatsoever. Pride goes before destruction.

[@mikegardens]

I heard in an interview today that the teenager's aunt said that he had a bad feeling about the trip and didn't want to go, but went because he knew how much it meant to his dad. Incredibly tragic all around.

[@additudeobx]

Really, well, if knowing all the facts and knowing the risks and hand signing the "Contract of Death" would not give a person a "Bad Feeling", then that person is ignorant and naive. Knowing that will give anyone a bad feeling.

[@jabbermocky4520]

Dr. Robert Ballard has finally spoken about the Titan disaster. He met Stockton Rush through Rush's father 20 some years ago. Ballard says that the titanium and carbon fiber hull used for Titan is "aviation thinking" misapplied to deep sea conditions. Dr. Grande fills in the missing bits by stating that Rush had an aviation background before going into the Titanic tourism business. Some questions answered, so many yet unresolved. Thank you.

[@ZingaraJoe]

I believe Dr. Ballard is spot on, re the carbon fiber. As for titanium - that is a fantastic material. Russia had entire submarines made of it thanks to their large titanium deposits and cheap electrical supply. They were retired due to internal machinery noise not hull problems. Neat material in that it is amazingly non-magnetic. Should be more work with it in the electrical field.

[@jabbermocky4520]

@@ZingaraJoe Titanium is a very cool metal. No dispute. My favorite pair of earrings are made from oxidized titanium. Rainbow colors and an extraordinary blue shade that I haven't seen anywhere else. Takes a LOT of heat to oxidize titanium. Pressure-wise? Needs more experimentation for sole use at the sea floor. IMO.

[@laratheplanespotter]

Ballard and Cameron have been THE BEST in this situation. I’m from a science and engineering background so I’ve been more into the safety aspect. I knew from the moment that I heard about it they were no longer here.

[@nancydupuis8083]

While I agree extreme wealth can make one arrogant it doesn't have to. As mentioned at the beginning two of the Titanics most wealthy passengers gave their lives so others might live

[@Sango-po5pi]

Hep, they also boasted engineering from specialists frm NASA and Boeing or whoever, great if it were a spaceship but totally misplaced for the sea, it seems.

[@48mastadon]

James Cameron did an interesting interview on the CNN about the submersible. He explained that carbon fiber composites are great for handling internal pressure, like that found in oxygen tanks, but it lacks the strength to deal with external pressure as a submersible hull when repeatedly exposed to these pressures.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

He knows what he is talking about. CF is good with tensile strength (hold back internal pressure like inside a tank) but poor in compression strength (withstanding the outside pressure trying to cave it in). The hull was literally made out of resin with CF string reinforcement. It likely suffered crack fatigues from the previous missions that were invisible on the external surface. Other experts told him this and he ignored them.

[@squalewally7297]

This guy was a legend in his own mind. Why would anyone risk their life in an uncertified sub?

[@thomastani749]

He did, obviously and sadly took 4 with him

[@Don-md4df]

@@thomastani749they signed up for it they all knew the risks

[@selfmadetool]

It costs a lot of money to certify the sub. Not everything that's uncertified is poor engineering or risky. Unfortunately, in this case, it was.

[@laurenallums5235]

The sister of the man who brought his son spoke out according to Piers Morgan and she said more but also said the boy didn’t want to go. He was terrified. The dad had been before and when paying that much there was clearly a false sense of safety. So sad!

[@frenzyviz6296]

Wow, poor boy.😢

[@esmc58]

My heart cries for that child.

[@Ariadne76-k3d]

That poor kid! Abd what an awful father!

[@ldolan4051]

That's heartbreaking.

[@TheMuseLuci]

@@Ariadne76-k3d The only mistake the father made was trusting the idiot CEO.

[@WorldOfEnchantment44]

I just saw something on a news station that said the 19 year old was scared to go and expressed to his aunt that he was uncomfortable with it, but because it was Fathers Day, he felt he needed to go with his dad.

[@brianeaton9046]

This was indeed tragic, but it seems reasonable there should be extreme restrictions placed on the use of public resources to rescue people who are engaging in inherently dangerous activities. Not only are these self-centered people putting responders in extreme danger, but the financial waste is enormous.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Im sure that they are thinking that he will reimburse them somehow

[@ryguy7988]

Hopefully they send a bill to the company or his estate

[@Tarotmoon2360]

It takes a special kind of person to put resources over 5 lives.

[@blornblad4381]

I wonder if there’s such a thing as legally forcing companies that participate in these kinds of high risk endeavors to pay for rescue insurance in order to even operate.

[@scfonner]

Np😅

[@clairdelunefan]

When this event was first unfolding in the MSM, I had so much empathy for them. I did think of them as pioneers helping to push the boundaries of human exploration. I thought they were taking a calculated risk. Now, with all the additional information that's come out, frankly, I only feel sorry for the young man that was aboard. It was a fool's errand after all.

[@AltClev37]

Makes me sick thinking this was so easily prevented. That’s what you get when you have an arrogant spoiled person in charge.

[@rainydaywoman5758]

Right

[@IslandGirl-nt6ry]

Shades of Bruce Ismay.

[@dianesozio7035]

Not easily prevented. Way too many people in the world with no common sense.

[@glazierblue573]

It's a tragic but special type of arrogance. People like Stockton *mentally* live in another world where they are above the laws of man, like health and safety, and apparently way above the laws of nature... Not even death and touch them. Maybe someone should have told him he *physically* lives here! And money doesn't equally a reset button. Turns out he was mortal, like the rest of us.

[@agnesgoodwin2706]

Sounds like Prince Harry a no all Mr Rush

[@Aashka_The_Mystic]

I feel really bad for the woman who lost both her husband and son at the same time. 💔😓

[@dimitriosfromgreece4227]

😥😥😥

[@derrickforeal]

Especially bc the son did not want to go.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Me too 😞

[@whatupplaya7951]

On Father's Day😢 how sad. 4 Dads 😢

[@farmcat3198]

You'd feel even worse knowing they were the same individual.

[@Aware_Bear]

If I've said it once I've said it a million times "Regulations save lives" If your only concern is financial cost and not the cost of human life you are unquestionably morally bankrupt.

[@robertscheinost179]

And he was that for sure.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

Well that is so very noble. Since human lives matter to you way more than anything financial, I trust you live in a tent and all your earnings go to feeding the starving of the world.

[@martindrew3513]

The big boys buy the rules, regulations among them. If a boy is glamorous his vehicle might be allowed to have four motors, not the legally permissable one. It makes things preventive of new blood. سلام.

[@Mamadukee1]

True !!!!!😑

[@xiphocostal]

@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz 🤦‍♀

[@j.l.a.delagarza6994]

There’s a sharp difference between being a visionary and being a narcissist.

[@Bustermachine]

I don't know if I think there really is. A visionary, a lot of times, may well be narcissist whose gamble works out and who is applauded in hindsight. It's not like we haven't had example of that plenty of times in the past. Henry Ford built Ford Motor Company, then he nearly drove into the ground due to his confidence that he always knew what was best, leading to the company refusing to develop a successor to the model T until it was woefully obsolete. Howard Hughes was likewise and eccentric whose eccentricities worsened as he grew older until they went from simply eccentricities to outright mental illness.

[@DrDeuteron]

The difference is called success

[@lileelisamc.4722]

alot of narcissist think they are visionaries

[@TransKidRevolution]

And a lot of visionaries are narcissists.

[@itnaklipse1669]

people are going crazy with the word narcissist these days.

[@jimmyhvy2277]

I Have Worked with bosses , in the Coal Mining Field , that had the Same Hatred for Safety over Production .

[@TomikaKelly]

Rich people problems. 🙄 The CEO WASN'T a victim. He was careless, reckless, arrogant, egotistical, and negligent even at the expense of people's lives. 😒

[@checkoutmyyoutubepage]

In other words a typical billionaire who wants to put others at risk for himself.

[@julesk6380]

I agree. It’s hard to feel sorry for these people. This whole thing is just stupid.

[@Raben3721]

Yeah and a lot of time and money was spent trying to find them.

[@edgybarbie77]

Right some people have way too much 💸. I think it affects their judgement more so than someone who is poor.

[@chadwarden593]

People will inevitably die to progress technology, deep sea exploration will yield new rescorces, even though this was a vanity project, lessons will be learned that can further progress in this field

[@susanjoycesabo8450]

I have always advocated for private sector companies to be billed when they rely upon public rescues. Stockton Rush reminds me of the guy who built Verruckt---the ill-fated water slide that killed poor little Caleb Schwab in 2016. They are so high on their own adrenaline that they ignore common sense. Dynamics are similar to gambling addiction.

[@exceptionaltalentspc4954]

Hopefully, the gov will go after the company's and families' assets in order to recover expenses.

[@LadyOfMaine]

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@mjremy2605]

Thank you, Dr Grande. I thought there might be some Narc traits in Stockton Rush and you confirmed it. You drew the parallels in this story, and here are a couple more. To recap all the parallels I know of: 1898 - Morgan Robertson writes a fictional book called 'Futility - The Wreck of the Titan' about a ship that sinks and all die. 1912 - The unsinkable ship Titanic sails on her maiden voyage, and sinks and 2/3 people die. 2023 - Stockton Rush operates a submersible called the Titan on her maiden tourist trip and it sinks and everyone dies. On the Titanic, there was a couple (that you mentioned), called Isador and Ida Strauss. Their great great great grand daughter is Wendy Rush, Stockton's wife. Isador put his wife Ida in a lifeboat but she refused to go preferring to die with her husband of 40 yr instead. They owned Macys Dept. Stores. Ida put her young maid on the boat instead and gave her the fur coat. Swap. On the Titan, the initial father & son backed out and swapped places with the Pakistani-British Dawood Sr and Jr instead. Both the Titanic and the Titan sank in the same place. On the Titanic, the captain was warned about approaching icefields and told to slow down. He wanted to claim a bonus prize for getting to his destination fast, so ignored the warnings and went full steam ahead instead. Kaboom. On the Titan the CEO ignored the warnings of industry experts about the carbon fiber hull and the acrylic window. Kaboom. On the Titanic, basic safety guidelines like matching lifeboats to passengers was ignored as it was 'unsinkable'. As a result, when it sank they had only enough lifeboats for 1/3 of the passengers, the rich were saved, the poor died. On the Titan, they did not test the hull design and did not certify the vessel. Everyone went to save the rich billionaires, while the Migrant boat with 500 people who died was barely reported. The rich were tended to, the poor ignored. The tickets on Titanic first class and the Titan were the same $250,000.

[@annaletts6182]

He didn’t confirm narcissism, he presents it as a possibility. He clearly states that he, like all psychologists / psychiatrists, can not diagnose somebody at a distance. It’s really important to remember that.

[@mjremy2605]

@@annaletts6182 Why not? All the signs were there. 1. Fired anyone who disagreed with him. 2. Had a fantasy world he lived in with regard to ignoring conventional wisdom and speculating on design. 3. Manipulative techniques and outright lying to passengers about the safety of his rig, with no mention that it was not certified, and that the window was for 4250 ft not 13K ft, and that the CF laminated hull was a roll of the dice as to when (not if) it would fail, and the expedition was Russian Roulette.

[@istateyourname4710]

The 19 year-olds Aunt stated that he was apprehensive about the voyage, but he wanted to bond w/ his father.😢

[@esmc58]

So heartbreaking. The dad should have spared his son the risk

[@leleolena7182]

It is so horrible...😢😢

[@dankadesign7462]

So terrible decision .RIP

[@ladyluck5248]

His father was probably a narcissist

[@JanghanHong]

They did succeed in bonding, they turned into the same pink mist, forever inseparable.

[@hollowmstr]

I have learned a little about Stockton Rush through out this disaster, it is sad that his blind arrogance cost 4 other people their lives. Especially Mr. Rush's lack of forseight and his belief in his own superiority goes beyond that of arrogance. Especially when I heard that he fired employees and colleagues that told him his design needed more work and testing. My heart goes out to the families who have lost loved ones.

[@n.g.l.]

The whole situation is incredibly upsetting and could have been easily preventable.

[@jamessiddle7389]

In 1898 a book by Morgan Robertson was published called "Futility" in 1912 it was renamed "The Wreck of the Titan" it was based on a doomed British ocean liner that hits an iceberg, then in 1912 the RMS Titanic had the same fate, Wendy Rush's great great grandparents perished on the Titanic then her husband dies at the resting place of the Titanic in a submersible called Titan. History definitely repeats itself.

[@levy1773]

Regardless of how I feel, the waste of money and danger especially bringing a 19yr old, it’s still such a tragedy. The only solace is that they passed quickly and without pain.

[@elceenomoun8115]

Sometimes the CEO has a fantasy in his head that in a future interview he can sit back and say "everyone thought I was crazy, but look what I accomplished". He was one of them.

[@Reason_over_Dogma]

I mean he pretty much said as much in his interviews. To me, rush was an irresponsible a-hole

[@teddymills1]

Stock had a saying which even now I find amazing. Stockton said "when things go wrong, thats when the adventure starts." Well I think Stockton had enough "adventure" to last a lifetime. How can you drive subs that go 13,000 feet under the ocean and when things go wrong, say, thats ok ? Stockton had wild ideas about risk management. For example the quality titanium ring was GLUED...yes GLUED to the carbon fibre hull. Im guessing it was the glue that failed and caused the implosion.

[@snekgewehr]

@@Reason_over_Dogmathis dude is insane. How could you have a passion for exploring so deep underwater and not care about safety, even saying it gets in the way of innovation… like what? And all the people blaming the non white employees… just ugh

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

he was a sociopath & murderer he deserved to die his victims did not

[@ijfsfv7439]

Yes, he definitely had delusions of grandeur.

[@amywright3124]

I feel so bad for the teen boy who died with them. 😢. He was barely a man and now his life is over. His father had no business chancing his sons life.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

Got in willingly. Wasn't hogtied. Not boy. Man.

[@coastalbeer]

I am very upset by all of this. Lives were lost because of a lack of oversight and experimentation. Testing is crucial when considering the extreme pressures at this depth. The arrogance of one man thinking he knows more than everyone else. I now have a hard time sleeping at night thinking about how these men died and also how simply it could and should of been avoided. Such a shame and a disgrace. Words fail!

[@Jerry12768]

The 19 year old passenger by aunt’s claim was notably skeptical of going aboard the sub but supposedly was pressured to go to bond with his dad in a perceived rare opportunity.

[@jennifergiannantonio7764]

supposedly

[@DRB5000]

Liar. Prove it

[@DRB5000]

Oh you cant..ok

[@taustin6524]

@@DRB5000Jerk. Google the interview. NBC News, Daniel Arkin

[@mountain10]

Horrible!!!

[@doverbeachcomber]

A few days ago I heard a retired USN sub captain recall an adage often repeated among submariners: “The sea is always trying to kill you.”

[@ZingaraJoe]

I've spent my life on the sea, it has no evil intent whatsoever, I am not so sure the submariner can say the same. Respect the elements of nature, she/they will always win out.

[@pamelamays4186]

Being married to a descendant of two passengers of the Titanic is an interesting and spooky coincidence.

[@falconeshield]

And the couple who gave up their seats for the help, of all people

[@DRB5000]

Its all just lies

[@taustin6524]

@@DRB5000🤡

[@johnwilliams1238]

Distinct possibility it wasn't a coincidence. The guy was probably really into Titanic, so it wouldn't be surprising if one of the things that attracted him to her in the first place was that. He'd probably love to be related to people onTitanic

[@irene_f.]

@@johnwilliams1238 His legacy is one of shame.

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

"He accused the sub-industry of being obscenely safe." Well, this tragedy reinforced the reason why there are a lot of regulations concerning safety. Stockton Rush suffered from what many intellectually capable people suffer from, they are used to being the smartest person in the room and believe they can never be wrong until they aren't. He even fired the engineer who warned him about the risks he was taking and many industry officials wrote to him about his flagrant dismissal of safety rules.

[@billbombshiggy9254]

I pity the kid. He didn't want to go because he was scared but he went anyways because it was father's day, and he wanted to please his dad.

[@peterwexler5737]

Sickening.

[@thorsrensen3162]

The implosion went so,fast that he did not even had time to get scared before his entire body evaporated.

[@billbombshiggy9254]

@@thorsrensen3162 he was scared to get on the thing. Several members of his family have come out and said he was afraid to get on it.

[@artemisrazquin4632]

@@thorsrensen3162The sub had a warning if the hull was being breached and they were trying to ascend. They were scared beforehand, but felt nothing when everything did end

[@jumb0shr1mp6]

​@@thorsrensen3162that response didn't make any sense. But ok thanks.

[@lnc-to4ku]

I'm always astonished at how some people can be so intelligent in some areas of their lives, but complete fools in other very important aspects of life. I'm definitely the 'enjoys going to movies and reading' type of person. Perhaps boring to some, but never imagine putting other people's lives at risk for my own careless pursuits. Another incredible, well thought out video, Dr. Grande! ♡

[@notimetodienttd1115]

Exactly..So many daredevils..And I really hope Tom Cruise never ever skips on safety measures whenever he is doing a risky action for his films. 🙏

[@Ariadne76-k3d]

Yes, it seems emotions and the fear of acknowledging them can override logic.

[@ampere11]

It's really simple to understand. Intelligent people are really good at rationalizing things to themselves and others. In addition, they easily buy into their own mythos, "I'm intelligent, so by definition, I do intelligent things. I'm building a submersible and cutting corners, but only the corners my intelligence knows are safe to cut. I'm super intelligent."

[@cherryrotella3714]

Titanic didn’t heed warnings and this has done the same 😔

[@hardtakeoff]

Sadly movies are now what's known as a "soft target"

[@chrismanning1171]

I was learning how to fly when I was young. I appreciated how much safety redundancy was built into a simple trainer aircraft. I respected the aircraft , and acknowledged my lack of flying knowledge. I have seen people like him and it always turns out in disaster.

[@nomadscavenger]

👍Character traits, appreciation for the machine, and self-awareness for thee, not for them-1000s before JFK, Jr., 100s; more recently, pilot(parent) shuttling daughter and granddaughter and nanny w/o co-pilot over W, DC.; and Stockton, and who could have afforded all the improvements, safety features and testing required. Problem as I see it is he had too much success right off the bat w/the thing, and gave him, everyone a false sense of security: why mess w/something if proven to be reliable? How many tests would have been needed to prevent this horrible end? I haven't any idea how many were done over the years getting it right in our Navy's submarine program. Think of those disasters we know about and others we don't. And a random hit by a whale or a hidden sea mount, wall, a strong current, anything could have caused those. I think it takes $/investors to be an innovator. He funded this, no liability for anyone else, I'm assuming. And being rich, and a long history of family wealth could have a negative effect on his spending habits on his hobbies if taught at an early age to be careful how you spend it? That's how many, smart (maybe slightly puritanical in a Ben Franklin way), rich relatives have been able to hold on to it I'm guessing. It's your very smart, concise comment and key word "redundancy" which is front and center for me in this sad story.

[@shawnaweesner3759]

👍

[@rick3747]

I am perplexed. Why didn't Stockton just use a titanium hull? Too pricey or did he think "Macgvyer" type of thing is great for underwater exploration?

[@warbydeception3228]

The fact that he “went down with the ship” hints at a grandiosity/ego problem, especially when compounded with his deliberate rule-breaking and delusions of innovative engineering. He really thought he had something so special that literally all standards fell into irrelevance- an attitude he may have gotten away with regarding trivial matters in life but that finally caught up with him in the form of 6000 psi

[@ParisLawLess]

Dude I think you need to get some help

[@Ariadne76-k3d]

Sounds like his family in general are full of themselves. They named him after those Declaration of Independence signers. Just because you are descended from someone doesn't make you special.

[@justinehelene4831]

Well, usually when you come from a family of billionaires everything does work out for you, for someone like Rush I suppose even the most dangerous environments on earth must have felt safe for a billionaire. Those people literally own the earth's resources why not the bottom of the ocean. Ironically his family were oil billionaires, a business notorious for destroying ocean life. Almost karmic justice to have the ocean take your life. Very Greek tragedy esque

[@additudeobx]

Not really, Stockton was not scheduled to be the pilot. Stockton was subbing in for someone else. I wonder what Stockton would be saying now if he was witnessing this disaster in his responsibility?

[@DogeickBateman]

@@additudeobx He'd probably blame everyone but himself, and claim him ignoring the warnings of engineers "never happened" or cynically, blame them. He strikes me as a genuinely evil narcissist. Rest in Piss Bozo, but RIP the passengers and crew

[@amaiyagrace]

The parellel to the real Titanic is creepy and sad. He even named it Titan. There's bad news with that alone. The Titanic captain ignored iceberg warnings and cost 2,000 lives. This guy ignored warnings and now him and 4 others including a young man are a part of the Titanic wreck. All over hubris.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

The captain and crew of the Titanic literally allowed lifeboats to be launched at 0.25 capacity. They could have saved another 500 lives. I call that short-sightedness and lack of duty. The OG CEO also lacked duty to his "crew".

[@id5girl-pm4jb]

Well said. Very interesting, he was clearly delusional.

[@esmc58]

I appreciate your coverage. The whole ordeal has haunted me. I’m especially saddened at the loss of the young man who I understand only went because of his dad. I feel his dad should have spared his son the risk.

[@MillennialPawz]

My heart breaks knowing he didn't even want to go. That is awful!

[@MsBianca78]

Are the hundreds of drown refugees haunting you as well? Or just what the media deems important?

[@irene_f.]

He was not a good dad to risk his son's life.

[@NLR759]

@@irene_f.That is 100% correct.

[@mjremy2605]

It was not the game controller steering or the IKEA LED lights that were an issue. These were hokey accessories but not the cause of the problem. Here are some of the reasons that show he was reckless and more salesman than engineer: 1. He used Carbon Fiber as the material for the hull. The end caps were Titanium why not use it for the whole vessel? He was told by James Cameron, Bob Ballard, and his own Director, David Lockridge that CF does not take compression load and shatters but he ignored it. This composite CF material cannot be subjected to a Finite Element Analysis (FEA) to predict failure point because it is a mix of materials and not one contiguous piece. Furthermore, the CF was spooled like thread to form a laminated layered buildup. The lamination can delaminate under pressure and moisture. He completely ignored the industry standards of NOT using CF to build. At 4000 metres or 13,200 ft you have 6000 psi pressure or 2 tons per square inch. Every inch of that hull was subjected to 2 tons of pressure, like several baby elephants sitting on it. 2. Hull was built barrel shaped not spherical. Spheres can take more pressure as all the pressure is evenly distributed around a globe. But he had to be different. 3. Epoxy glue layer between CF hull and Titanium ring and endcap. Epoxy bond can fail under this pressure. 4. The 7" thick acrylic (Plexiglas) viewing window was rated by manufacturer for 4,250 ft depth only. He took it down multiple times to 12,500 ft -13,200 ft depth. It's a wonder it did not implode earlier. This was of great concern to Engineer Lockridge. 5. Multiple industry experts and experienced sub divers told him to certify his vessel. But Rush knew that it would not pass due to the use of CF which is known to fail. No certification, not a single objective test. Reckless lunacy. 6. He opted out of voice comms with support ship preferring to text instead, as it would not spoil his experience of viewing the Titanic. Which means the implosion or other sounds could not be heard outside of that sub. 7. There were continuous issues with this sub related to the janky engineering. There were issues with losing comms with the ship, creaking sounds, things malfunctioning. Never addressed, and hull was never tested for fatigue cracks from repeated dives. 8. We all thought, at least I did, that this was cutting edge science and this guy was some sort of Steve Jobs inventing the uninventable. But that was far from true. These subs have been around longer than airplanes. The technology is mature, not new. There are 10 other subs in the world and the French made ROV unmanned robot subs, that can go down 7 miles into the Mariana Trench, the deepest known point in the oceans. The Titanic is only 2.5 miles down. We know how to build them, Russians, French, Americans, Brits, and we have built them. There are rules about building them and a materials list which does not include Carbon Fiber. CF does not bend with weight, it shatters. So its not used. Rush decided to buck all these rules and build it cheaper so it was commercially viable for tourists. There are few subs because it costs a lot to build them. Rush wanted to show he could build them for much less. Now this is a form of denial and an altering of reality. Narcissism? 9. When his UK ex-Navy experienced diver and engineer Lockridge disagreed with him, Rush promptly fired him and accused him of sabotaging his own job. So we have a CEO that does not listen to his own Director of Engineering. What does that tell us? 9. The important takeaway here is that this was not new technology. These subs designs were known already, and they had an excellent track record of safety when built to safety specs, and had gone down to 7 miles so very well tested out. But Rush wanted cheaper, more flimsy builds, with COTS (common off the shelf products) like the lights, gameplayer steering, and using rusted metal pipes as ballast, and texting comms. This was incredibly reckless. The original father and son who were supposed to be on that trip, opted out. The son saw this poorly built sub, with no certification, and a salesman for a CEO, and decided to cancel their tickets. Stockton Rush was frantic for funding, so he flew out to them to persuade them to come on the trip. He flew into a little known airport and when the father asked why, he said, I built my own plane so I cannot use the standard airports. At that point, the father realized how reckless Rush was, and decided they were never going to go on his sub. Another father and son (a Pakistani billionaire) took their places instead. What happened was predictable. At 1:45 hrs into the 2 hr descent, the sub imploded. The CF hull shattered or maybe the window or the glue gave way, we don't know. But they lost comms with mother ship. The alarm went out, and the world rushed in to help horrified at the fate of these people trapped without oxygen and in freezing waters. The Navy had heard a sonar boom underwater and it sounded like an implosion. They notified the Coast Guard. So the authorities realized before the search began that it was a high probability that the sub had imploded (exploded internally). But to keep morale high, CG command said nothing. The French sent two ROVs (robot subs) and immediately went down exactly where the Titan was last heard. They were the first to find the debris field. The two Titanium end caps were clearly outlined and seemed intact, but the main CF hull with passengers was flattened out and disintegrated. This implosion would vaporize everyone into a fine mist of organic matter within nano seconds before they realized what happened. It is quick and painless. If they had to die, this was the most merciful way. Two veteran explorers died - Hamish Harding and Paul-Henri Nargeolet. A UK based Pakistani billionaire, Shahzada Dawood and his 19 yr old son, Suleman Dawood. And Stockton Rush. This was a catastrophic loss of life in the history of underwater sub dives and due only to the reckless build of Rush. This was criminal negligence. He knew these facts and proceeded anyway. A total denial of reality and refusal to accept the limitations of his build. And he was an engineer by training. One can only conclude this was the work of hubris.

[@egm8602]

Vernacular: Papier mache melts after multiple dives.

[@mondoenterprises6710]

He warned everybody in the release that death was a real possibility and they went anyway. Between the release, my own inspection (the sony game console, etc), his engineer who warned him and got fired, and the sheer idea of it, I would never had submitted to this man's "expertise". If you've been around entitled rich people you know what I'm talking about.

[@timmi59]

It wasn’t even Sony, though. It was a Logitech.

[@DRB5000]

They all got exactly what they signed up for🤷

[@jayjaynella4539]

These people made their decisions. They suffered the consequences. Including the young man.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

I am with you. You only need some minor semblance of logic and common sense, a minute observation capability, and the most modest self preservation motivation to say phuque.

[@christinestanding]

Branson is the same. Ask him how many pilots died in service.

[@RockieRacoon]

“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” ― T.S. Eliot

[@yiqiwang]

Tragedy? yes indeed. What caused this Tragedy? money. Now a days rich men make way too much. What they are suffering is how to spend. There is only one bed to sleep, one stomach to fill, one wife to sleep...that is sucks. So that some smart guys find ways to help. One is going to deep sea, another is space. Now the real tragedy is the taxpayers, how much the Coast Gard and media need to spend?

[@turnthepage867]

Half is a conservative estimate. Narcs and other egomaniacs cause at least 75% of harm.

[@yesterdayitrained]

@@turnthepage867 You got a study to back that up? 🤣

[@naiyalexic]

Yet people still deny this facet of being-dom and will continue to do so.

[@nunyabisniss1179]

I do feel bad for the 19 year old. He didn't get to live as long as his crew members. He won't have many of the life experiences the older men had, like having a family of his own, etc. Sad.

[@beachstreet101]

True. Although having a family of one’s own isn’t the be all end all goal in life.

[@goodo5691]

well at least he "almost" got to see the Titanic

[@Mochi-yo1ro]

I study engineering and in progress to get my license to become Engineer at some point in the future. One thing my engineer association always remind me is whenever we do engineering work we must "Put public safety above all else". Apparently, that is not the case in this tragic incident. If I am designing the vessel, I safety of public above everything else, if a design is not safe and my supervisor puts pressure on me to go ahead with it (due to profits / meet deadline), I will never oblige to it, even if it costs me my job.

[@goldbergnation9781]

My deepest condolences to the victims and their families and I feel so sorry for the teenage who just did it for his dad 🙏

[@Ron4885]

Dad's don't always practice the best judgment. I do remember my dad telling me that asbestos was completely natural from the earth and it should be used everywhere to prevent fires. Well. . . I know how that worked out.

[@KhanMann66]

Nah the CEO can rot in hell. His arrogance lead to this tragedy. I hope Ocean Gate pays for the rescue mission bill but of course the public will foot the bill.

[@58etown1]

Rush is like the rich kid in high school who has a Ferrari & willing to give pedal-to-the metal rides to other teens to feed his ego. Like the Murdaugh kid taking a speed boat with his friends onboard & winds up killing a girl.

[@nhmooytis7058]

Rich privilege.

[@thesmokinggun42]

5 factor model for personality: OCEAN. Hits a little different with this story.

[@brianarnone933]

I was a little skeptical at the beginning of your video but by the end I'd have to say this was very very well thought through and very well spoken. Thank you for doing this, it pretty much says everything I'm thinking and more.

[@sprezzatura8755]

Cheap, fast and good can never be achieved. Pick any two. This fellow was well-educated. Hubris is the only explanation. What a tragic and pointless loss of life. Rest in peace.

[@connormccloud2331]

In racing we used: Cheap, Fast or Reliable. Pick any 2.

[@grammichal6759]

@@connormccloud2331 I don’t get it. Cheap & reliable?

[@RedxRiot]

@@grammichal6759then it’s not fast/not being produced in a timely manner

[@TheJimbo1791]

@@connormccloud2331 I pick reliable

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

Zed's Dead Man, Zed's Dead

[@johnk1639]

They all died instantly, which was perhaps the only merciful aspect of this event. A reckless and needless waste of life.

[@janicedahlman8715]

I just wish this amount of resources would help a migrant boat in trouble.

[@parisinthe30sx]

​@@janicedahlman8715the migrants country is the one who should foot that bill

[@okarowarrior]

​@@parisinthe30sxmaybe don't destabilize/invade/fund dictatorships in the migrants country in the first place and then you won't be having any immigration crysis.

[@irene_f.]

Was it truly instant? Or were there a few moments of horror as they heard the metal giving way? 😬I surely hope it was instant.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

@@irene_f. They probably heard the hull creaking, snapping, popping, groaning. I imagine looking at each other with their eyes bulging. Once the breach occurred, it was a millisecond and they were a cloud, so no suffering occurred.

[@margaretlumley1648]

Beautiful analysis, Dr Grande! It must be so boring, being filthy rich. I feel really grateful to be ordinary, to be able to appreciate the little things, like finding curious fungi growing on a damp log, during a stroll in the country! Thank you so much for sharing your wise thoughts ❤

[@alphatensor]

This is not adventure. Plain dumb activity guided by greed

[@carolsaia7401]

Bezos wife, MacKensie Scott, stays busy helping others with her wealth.

[@miraclenichols4332]

How sweet~~~

[@lisamac8503]

What you are saying is true But being rich means helping others who are not rich Helping the planet Helping animals that are suffering Not wasting money getting a "high" Sadly most who are billionaires (like these men were) really think only think of themselves Selfish worrying about how bored they are --I feel for the son He did not want to go Listen to your gut I do not care who is doing the talking ! -

[@stoney-51999]

Everyone keeps referring to him as “the 19 year old”, but he had a name. Rest in peace to everyone, but especially Suleman. He was the only one aboard that sub that truly did not deserve this. Not saying everyone else subsequently “deserved” to die on that submersible, but they were much more well-versed in the risks than Suleman, who just wanted to please his father on Father’s Day. Such a tragedy.

[@grandamishwizard1584]

Virtuesignalingkunt

[@stoney-51999]

@@grandamishwizard1584 thanks incel 🥰😘

[@grandamishwizard1584]

@@stoney-51999 woke whorror

[@olyacarell6434]

I disagree. Stockton Rush deserved it. Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.

[@billp4]

I feel more sorry for the 18 year olds who got drafted and died in unnecessary wars

[@raymondlin8728]

It's a grave site, not a tourist sightseeing spot. Respect the deceased .

[@janicedahlman8715]

Including these 5. I hope they don’t try to retrieve their bodies, especially how much they liked being down there.

[@anotherfishinthesea8660]

Those bodies are liquid now...

[@graysonwalker]

​@@janicedahlman8715there's no bodies

[@annegirlinger]

@@anotherfishinthesea8660 Due to implosion?

[@raymondlin8728]

@@anotherfishinthesea8660 could be in the water bottles , soda, coffee , you drink, the water you shower with, brush your teeth with, may their spirit be with you, on you, in you...

[@michael-m]

As you know Doc, I almost always comment on your fantastic videos. But tonight, on this topic, I don't feel it's appropriate to comment due to the fact that I am close to one of those lost and am currently in St John's Harbor in Newfoundland as I write this. Maybe I can go into more depth (no pun intended) in the coming days. I have some insight into this situation and do what to talk, but I need to gather my thoughts and emotions first. Nonetheless I think, as per usual that you did a great job on this topic with much respect and for that I thank you, Doc. Stay well everyone

[@william_mac]

I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. It's hard now but please find the strength to talk to someone.

[@brownelcamino3051]

Sorry for your loss ❤❤❤

[@christina3521]

“Futility is a novella written by Morgan Robertson and published first during 1898. It was revised as The Wreck of the Titan in 1912. It features a fictional British ocean liner named Titan that sinks in the North Atlantic Ocean after striking an iceberg. The Titan and its sinking are famous for similarities to the passenger ship RMS Titanic and its sinking 14 years later. After the sinking of the Titanic the novel was reissued with some changes, particularly to the ship's displacement.” Wikipedia

[@clayc8115]

Facebook thought I was rich and started showing me ads for this company. I clicked on it. It looked amazing. Im glad I am just a regular guy that couldnt afford such a thing!

[@FiestyKiki]

I have to say I am genuinely impressed by how timely your response video is, considering the debris was only discovered yesterday afternoon. Thank you for always staying on top of all the topics that fascinate us!

[@DJKinney]

Anyone with experience knew instantly.

[@FiestyKiki]

@@DJKinney Yes, of course, but they wouldn't be able to announce that until it was confirmed. What I am saying is that Dr. Grande had his video prepped and ready to go when the announcement was made.

[@KhanMann66]

The fact that the Navy wasted a week when they already knew the crew were dead ticked me off. Now the public will have to foot the 7 million dollar bill all because some rich narcissistic ceo killed 4 people including himself.

[@Jamieson-H]

You articulated so eloquently that no one dares say the truth. Thankyou Dr Grande. Let this be a lesson for all !