Mensa Murderer | George Trepal Case Analysis | High IQ Society or High Narcissism Society?

[@JamesThomasJeans]

This might be the first case I've 2ver heard where the authorities searched a house by renting it. That was clever.

[@rosellamarotta1675]

too bad they don't put that effort in every case

[@davidwelner9994]

Genius even

[@00tonytone]

Trupal is still bitching to the prison guards the music from other inmates is to loud. It's crazy that in United states of America some states gurneys up the DP inmates within 10 years and some other states Dp inmates die of natural old age before being strapped. Like scott Peterson that white boy is never gonna get strapped. Cali got a rate of 1 execution per 20 years. Scott is like 20th in line. Hes gonna be like 400 years old when it's his turn. Texas puts them in the box the quickest. Even though they dropped the ball with Bart Whittaker. Killed mother brother and father survived his assassination attempt and his DP got pardoned to life after he had a last meal of his choosing . Texas should be ashamed of that one

[@gavinjenkins899]

Well yeah... people who commit crimes and have a bunch of evidence in their homes generally aren't stupid enough to rent them out.

[@RounderlifeTV]

Why would someone with an IQ in the top 2% of the general population leave the only piece of evidence tying himself to the crime behind? Detective’s interviewed Trepal early on and said he was “nervous” - so why would an alleged guilty party, who knew cops were “onto him”, leave the bottle containing traces of thallium (the murder weapon) in his unlocked garage? Getting rid of it would have been his first order of business after the detectives left. There were no finger prints on the bottle either. You don’t have to be a Mensa member to conclude the damning evidence was planted by someone who wanted, or needed, him convicted.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Awesome final thoughts - “He was able to perpetrate his crime due to intelligence consistent with membership in the high IQ society, but he was caught due to arrogance consistent with the high narcissism society.” Witty and on point! 💯 Excellent analysis Dr. Grande, thank you!❤️

[@elmtree33]

^^^^THIS! It wasn't so much his intelligence that got him in trouble but his arrogance...as is often the case with any arrogant person.

[@aarondavis8943]

IQ is not synonymous with operative intelligence. It is strongly *associated* with intelligence and success, but it's easy to see why this might be the case while still not being causal. There are plenty of examples of high-IQ individuals who we just wouldn't consider *smart*, *cunning* or *wise* and of course there's the definition problem. Having a high IQ is always a positive thing. But it doesn't equate to brilliance. And it can exist in the same person who behaves like a dumbass, as in this case. We can surmise that the guy had anger issues or was arrogant but in the final analysis these are simply signs of a lack of operative intelligence. And more than that, his arrogance can't account for an extremely clumsy attempt at getting away with murder. There are plenty of lower IQ individuals who would have done a much better job than this. For example, they never would have telegraphed their intention to murder with a threatening letter. And they never would have given any chance that such a letter would cause a family to leave their home forever. It's actually quite a childish notion. IQ tests just can't account for the levels of complexity inherent in the social world.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@aarondavis8943 Great points, thanks for the comment.🙂

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

@@cht2162 The only thing Robin Williams inspired society to do was "don't do drugs".

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

@@cht2162 Albert Einstein never said that. His insights came while filing patents and was never seen sweating. Thomas Edison, whose efforts included stealing patents, taking credit for the work of others (he did NOT invent the light bulb) and electrocuting elephants and dogs to discredit Nikola Tesla, famously said that genius is 5% inspiration and 95% perspiration. Tesla, the real genius, invented AC electricity, wireless chargers and the induction motor. Edison invented the electric chair. A carpenter who can hit nails is not a genius, hitting nails is first on the list in the job description. A smart carpenter would use a nail gun and a genius carpenter would invent a nail that avoided that menial, mind-numbing task. The label of genius does correlate highly with high IQ but does not define it. More likely it is used to describe someone whose mental abilities surpass others in the same field and applies creativity to intelligent problem solving, such as music, science, math or baseball (Mozart, Madame Curie, Srinivasa Ramanujan and Billy Martin are examples). People with "low I.Q's" misquote others due to laziness, have trouble operating a dictionary, callously slander the dead in backhanded compliments and arrogantly talk about geniuses, but can't bother to spell it correctly. "Never let them see you sweat." Originally by Mary Kennedy, made famous by Phil Slott, ad exec for Dry Idea anti-antiperspirant.

[@lindseyhudson1274]

The documentary on this featuring Susan and her infiltration of George’s life is absolutely fascinating. She’s one tough cookie! She was constantly worried he’d poison her too if he found out who she really was.

[@istateyourname4710]

I've read many articles/watched ample coverage of this crime. The female undercover agent was incredible in her ability to infiltrate Trepal's life and his mind, whilst he believed due to his MENSA level I.Q., that he could outwit law enforcement.

[@ransakreject5221]

He could’ve been caught by Frank Drebin. Didn’t even throw out the bottle

[@Nan-Elle]

I've noticed in my long life that both MENSAs and morons alike think they can outsmart law enforcement. And yet, history proves them wrong again and again. lol

[@annanderson7]

@@Nan-Elleagreed!

[@keosan]

This sounds like a good movie plot

[@keosan]

@@ransakreject5221 it made me laugh he’s a genius and even had the books on how the poison would be detected in autopsy but still did it

[@elliedaniels2245]

I've seen situations where constantly barking dogs have wreaked havoc in neighborhoods except it was the dog the neighbor poisoned. People are driven to lunacy by the sound of nonstop barking.

[@NickanM]

100% True.

[@hirumbiffidum9145]

This was a really creepy guy. I had no other clue about this case other than cable television documentary's on ID network Thankyou so much for your take on this sad but true story.

[@CR-ru1kw]

I saw that & knew he did it! My gut feeling was that his wife was oblivious 🤦🏽‍♀️😳.

[@baneverything5580]

@@CR-ru1kw My gut feeling is Dr LeGrande or whatever his name is didn`t get through to you people! THE MAN IS INNOCENT!

[@CR-ru1kw]

How would you know that🙄! That’s why he got CONVICTED!

[@HeatherHolt]

I was in an advanced class in middle school and for a monthly project, our wonderful, amazing, brilliant teacher would stage a fake murder and we would investigate. One of us even got to play the murderer and be interviewed by the detective. And a few others were red herrings. Really got our critical thinking skills going. I remember it clearly even though it was over 20 years ago. Bless that teacher… great teachers are hard to come by, especially in public schools (and esp in TN public schools).

[@nonnobissolum]

@Heather....imagine the media frenzy and woke-seizures that would surely result from such "exercises" today? Headline...."ABC School teacher suspended for promoting murder and supporting police activity."

[@Macieks300]

Oh, wow! You had a class like that in middle school? I wonder if it was extracurricular or part of a regular class and how that came to be? Part of what subject was that project?

[@rockinbobokkin7831]

That sounds awesome. What a cool teacher.

[@sadeatthewhip1846]

@@nonnobissolum Um no? Interesting how there's no woke-storm to be found in all these comments from under 2 hours ago today. Awkward

[@nonnobissolum]

@@sadeatthewhip1846 Okay.

[@garchamp9844]

The Mensa people I know have real difficulties figuring out what normies will figure out and what goes over their heads. It is entirely possible that he thought that the thallium bottle was one of those things that no one but himself would pick up on and decided not to bother getting rid of it.

[@eadweard.]

Sounds more specifically like autistics than mensa people.

[@XYZ-kb3mm]

@@eadweard. not necessarily. everyone can be ignorant to the way others experience the world. i think smarter people can definitely *underestimate* less smart people, or have a superiority complex, without being autistic. both parties, smart and less smart, can misunderstand eachother easily. especially those who don’t even try to understand the other party (maybe a narcissistic Mensa person lol)

[@scottpreston5074]

He probably derived smug satisfaction in knowing the the evidence was hidden in plain sight, a plot feature in Poe's murder mystery "The Purloined Letter." It was all part of the game to him.

[@rosellamarotta1675]

@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 Indeed, stereotypes are not always accurate. Not all high IQ people are uncaring, unsocial and/or socially awkward

[@baneverything5580]

I`m one of those "genius" types and wound up creative, nice, generous, intelligent....and homeless. I can confirm one thing: "smart" people are completely insane!

[@beastshawnee]

I used to want to join Mensa when I was in high school and early college then I learned that the dues were $95 a year and I was smart enough to realize I didn’t need to waste my money or prove my IQ either.

[@nmartin5551]

Much to be said for growing up!!!

[@zacharysherry2910]

Seems like paying for a membership would prove that a person isn't that smart.

[@rokess5053]

Good call. My friend joined, and he said all they did was sit around and talk about their cats.

[@pierre6625]

Hello Dr. Grande, this case is a very interesting one. I do agree with you that both of them could have committed the murder. It is (to me) unbelievable that these sorts of crimes can go on for a long period without the feeling of guilt. Thank You for sharing with us. Best Regards.

[@nd612]

That's true about no guilt. And I wonder why they are missing parts of their brain. They have to be.

[@rullmourn1142]

Tree-pal is how he pronounces his name, like he's friends with a tree..😂 🤣

[@JustDr.S]

Great analysis, Dr.Grande. I think you were spot on with this one. Maybe when I am 70, I will appreciate a shirtless 70 year old man, but, not now. I wish someone could make him stop. Thank you. ❤

[@katetruthseeker2758]

Thank you Dr. Grande! You are such a reliable KZbin content creator. We are blessed to have you❤️I look forward to your videos. Your insight Has helped me in everyday life to truly understand people!

[@JenniferMenendez522]

I found this case to be interesting, especially with the arrogance involved. I watched an interview with Susan. The way she talked about George was extremely disturbing and to know that she had a great possibility of being held captive by George and/or murdered by him. Thank you for another great video, Dr. Grande!

[@robinmaynard1640]

Can you please provide a link to the interview? Thank you.

[@jackiepiefrancis]

The Pale Horse-that’s the Agatha Christie novel. As soon as Dr. Grande said “thallium,” I immediately thought “oh like in The Pale Horse!”

[@joy_is_purple]

Walking into a Dr Grande upload is day-brightening!

[@christywhiteman4249]

Your explanation of his last name reminds me of when I try to make a joke at my job then the customer stares at me blankly, so I will explain the joke and the customer continues to stare blankly. So this was my favourite. 😁 Thank you for the continued quality content, Dr Grande.

[@eadweard.]

What is the joke? Are you really a black woman?

[@christywhiteman4249]

@@eadweard. I'm an extremely white woman, thanks for asking 😀

[@eadweard.]

@@christywhiteman4249 Oh I thought the joke was also name-based.

[@christywhiteman4249]

@@eadweard. the joke is any joke at all that relates to the moment.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

@@christywhiteman4249 Extremely white woman?? Have you considered getting a tan or at least a tanning bed? 😉

[@deconyus3412]

Ironic that he was caught poisoning the Cars for not moving out of the neighborhood after he moved out of the neighborhood. Its just as bad as when people murder instead of getting a divorce and then end up leaving the person they ended up murdering for.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

Many men do that in order to cash in on life insurance.

[@CR-ru1kw]

I don’t get it either especially the spouses still killing the other off😳🤦🏽‍♀️! Crime 101-it’s always the spouse/relative!

[@zenamen5221]

True, which reveals a lack of intelligence.

[@forrestgreene1139]

I think it becomes an all-consuming obsession to "win" in the end. This guy wasn't smart enough to see his own shortcomings and weaknesses. So much for being a genius.

[@anniegaffney8378]

Guilt

[@elizabethwillis885]

I know this story pretty well. I’ve seen more than one show featuring mr. Tree Pal. But I appreciate the fact that you produced even more info I’d never heard before. Thanks.

[@JHjh88]

Wonderful video. I really like how you always treat the victims of violent crime with dignity. Yet your dry sense of humour always delivers that gut punch in the right direction. 👍 From Adelaide Australia (apparently serial killer capital of the world 🥴). which is in true we've just had lots of murders per capita and they've been extremely grizzly....

[@emily10055]

So many sociopaths & psychopaths have high IQs. Makes me start to think that having a low IQ saves lives. I mean, I don’t want to call myself a hero or anything.

[@SarahDunlap]

🤣🤗👍 same😉

[@suesaur]

Haha! Thanks for doing your part!

[@HeatherHolt]

Hah! Love it.

[@GoldenGarden9]

One side benefit (for me) of watching Dr. Grande's videos featuring so many wackos is that I feel reassured that "I'm OK....perhaps lower IQ and boring is a good thing!"

[@fullscorpion5285]

Arrogant evil people come in all IQ ranges. The majority of high IQ people are not evil, but they don't make headlines like murderers do so you don't notice them.

[@Flamsterette]

I've heard of this case before, multiple times. Looking forward to hearing your analysis.

[@patty.cakes.]

Holy smokes Dr Grande you are thee only channel I follow that has content EVERY single day 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

[@annal7364]

Dr. G, your output is superhuman. You give Data a run for his money!

[@daniellavaladez7820]

Good morning, Dr. Grande ❤️

[@nursecece03]

Great analysis. I agree with your theory. George believed he was too smart to get caught. It was this narcissism that caused him to get caught

[@ruthruane]

What a treat! 3:15 in the afternoon and I’ve just made some good coffee. Dr Grande and good coffee 😌

[@GGiblet]

I remember this strange case! Leaving the dangerous evidence around... Wonderful analysis, as usual🙌💙🌞💙

[@CARDINAL701]

I remember reading about this case a long time ago...it was bizarre then and still is.

[@blazefairchild465]

George may have kept the bottle just so he could gaze at it ,and feel his ego inflate ,over creating the perfect crime. I bet an interview with him would be interesting. I would imagine he has come up with blaming everyone else for the killing by now.

[@eadweard.]

Yeah maybe. Bit like a trophy.

[@aking4766]

Typical narc response! They could be hitting someone while crying "ouch!" and then blaming them for having sore knuckles 🙄

[@baneverything5580]

Police or someone else likely planted the evidence. A sane killer wouldn`t leave evidence behind. Police secured "legal" access to the rental property and "found" evidence.

[@eadweard.]

@@baneverything5580 Keeping potential evidence as a trophy is a very common behaviour in killers, specifically those who believe they have committed a particularly well-planned or "perfect" murder.

[@Evoldog]

Unless I had missed something, how was George able to tamper with the Carr's Coca Cola bottles? Was he a ninja too? I watched the video at least 3 times to figure out how he had done it and didn't find any explanations. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

[@rullmourn1142]

I've known about this case a long time. A truly vile, and disgusting couple.

[@anncarr6510]

Excellent! Appreciate your expertise in psychology and diagnosing mental disorders.thanks!

[@annal7364]

Just a reminder, he’s not diagnosing anyone-only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this! 😀😜

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

@@annal7364 flim flam disclaimer.

[@lnc-to4ku]

What an interesting case! To think a chemical like Thallium (had to look it up) was once a prescribed drug, and later discovered to be so toxic that it is later used in pesticides- is so awful! Your content is always so fascinating, Dr. Grande!

[@lnc-to4ku]

@@melrye7350 Thank you, always looking for interesting reads

[@m.f.richardson1602]

I hadn't heard of this case. Back in the early 70s, you had to be eighteen years old to join Mensa. Always interesting. Thank you. Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@m.f.richardson1602]

@Jay Browne Dang, I guess I've been living under a rock.🥰

[@sisuguillam5109]

@Jay Browne which has meaning only if you live in a country where people get to watch that programm... and if you do watch that show.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

High IQ people don't watch Dateline. 😉

[@mrwilkie]

“It sounds a little unusual to some people like he’s friends with a tree” haha. Love the dry sense of humor Dr. Grande!

[@LizbetPCB]

I’ve had noisy, even obnoxiously behaving neighbors over my life. Unless you have the means to live on high acreage, or an island, you gotta go with the flow. Grit your teeth and carry on🤷🏻‍♀️ Thanks, Dr.

[@leddbedd4812]

The Doc dissects the law once again! 🙌🏻

[@zenawarrior7442]

Great analysis again . I agree they were guilty & any high IQ overrode by higher narcissism. Thanks Dr G😊💚💛

[@stathamspeacoat]

Dr. Grande - in this video, you mention the use of a profile to help police identify the killer. I am really curious about how they come to those conclusions and would love a video and/or good references on the topic

[@monacoofthebluepacific2571]

Why do you want a detailed description and explanation on how to blur and obscure a criminal profile 🤔

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

@@monacoofthebluepacific2571 Strange comment, I thought that he/she wanted the opposite, rather an understanding of how law enforcement can seemingly come up with suspect details that clues don't seem to point at.

[@58Kym]

I find it a little amusing/disturbing that having a high IQ is considered that same as being very intelligent about everything. Quite a lot of the time that intelligence is narrowly focused in particular interests. George may not have had a very intelligent social ability and considering the conversations reported by the undercover officer, he was really quite dumb about that.

[@58Kym]

@@fuzzyfriendsrescuevoluntee3036 I think it is pretty much the opposite of your conclusion from what I have seen of IQ tests but you do you.

[@alifmuhammadchicago]

@@fuzzyfriendsrescuevoluntee3036 it's a little more complicated, but I get how some of the tests can look like this.

[@emmaevans7011]

I never forget the lessons from the book "Emotional intelligence".

[@58Kym]

@A Volpe 👩‍🎓👩‍🎓 I got tired of pasting picture of female students, especially since I couldn’t find ones with the faces full of astonishment at the ‘mansplaining’ occurring so you only get two emoji’s.

[@Snipin]

@@fuzzyfriendsrescuevoluntee3036 you don’t know what ur talking about lmfao it’s mostly logic based testing

[@martian386]

*I* _love_ *how* _if_ _watched_ _on_ *144p* _or_ *1080p* _it's_ _still_ _totally_ _entertaining_ _&_ *I* _get_ _the_ *truth*

[@iyalove9383]

I have watch this case somewhere before but your analysis makes it absolutely compelling Dr. Grande.

[@emanuelaemanuela]

Every video a treat, thank you for your intelligent videos, dear Dr. Grande ❤️❤️❤️

[@imagineparrish]

Dr. Grande, Great job

[@user-cs1un6sp1wRennata]

Excellent analysis Dr. Grande! Thank You for covering this case.

[@alifmuhammadchicago]

Aw. Mensa members typically aren't in it for the narcissistic attention. It's usually a networking thing for people who feel super awkward when they schmooze about stuff that doesn't involve their specialized interest. It's a relief to share things with folks who won't perceive one's conversation as snooty, I guess. But that killer was scary. Freaked me out.

[@alifmuhammadchicago]

@bodd boward well, you're right about the possibility of narcs being attracted to it. I'm in mensa, and I don't have narc tendencies. I just like the idea of being around others who felt isolated due to thinking differently. But I can certainly see how wackos like that dude in the video can easily get in.

[@alifmuhammadchicago]

@bodd boward oh. I was just agreeing with you. I'm sorry.

[@gailkelly4651]

Hello Dr. Grande....I enjoy your videos so much. Thank you.... you have such a gentle voice..and nice to look at. Thank you 🙋

[@gcham1209]

I wondered about this case since watching forensic files

[@zacharysherry2910]

Wow, he turned himself in and provided a huge amount of evidence... Very smart.

[@carlwelte6094]

Another great episode...Thanks! Would be interesting to hear your take on the case of Scott Schollenberger and Kimberly Maurer in the death of their 12 year old son, Max Schollenberger. A recent and truly unbelievably horrific case in PA…

[@paz413]

They could not trace where he got those chemicals? Ring cameras keep bad neighbors away when you are not home.

[@michaelangelo7511]

Great analysis. I remember this case and the perpetrator always intrigued me. He seemed void of emotion . Thanks !

[@btetschner]

Excellent case and analysis! It is strange thinking that the motivation for the murder was over such petty things, like having an annoying neighbor. The Trepals could have just moved somewhere else. Great case, thank you for the video.

[@eadweard.]

I suspect he rather wanted to kill someone regardless.

[@btetschner]

@@eadweard. You're probably right.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

This story made me reminisce about how my mother would tell me, "sometimes you're too smart for your own good" on certain occasions. Looking back, I believe that maybe, just maybe, she was ridiculing me.

[@dorrisalmac7938]

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[@xminusone1]

Maybe, maybe not. No normal parents will tell to theirs kids they are stupid. We have a saying in french that say "assez intelligent pour mettre le feu, mais trop fou pour l'éteindre" It means approximately "enough bright to light a fire, but too crazy to put it out"

[@PwncakeOW]

You found the most flattering picture of Diana Carr @1:12 . Thanks for the laugh Doc.

[@donaldkershaw6371]

Good video, thank you. You brought up possibilities I had not heard before concerning this case

[@obcane3072]

The suspicion of thallium was due to luck. A newly hired neurologist was hired and was walking into the wing that she was in to see another patient. He heard the providers talking about the case and it triggered a memory of a case that was presented during his training. Had the neurologist not been there it would not have been diagnosed.

[@denniswalsh8476]

Congrats on one million subscribers. Great channel and videos.

[@christinley5213]

You do a good job doc!!!! This was a crazy case!!!!

[@jill9060]

Thank you, Dr. Grande, for all the amazing content! What are your thoughts on the Melissa Caddick case?

[@AECholakian]

Hey doc, can you do a video on the combined symptoms of depression and social anxiety vs. schizoid personality disorder?

[@joekingsbury9595]

Slamming out the vids like no tomorrow as usual. Kudos, Doc

[@kelliearnold8498]

Looks guilty to me!!! Scary!!!! Well done as always Dr.Grande!!!!

[@danielx555]

There's a great Columbo episode that centers around people at a Mensa chapter. They are all the most pompous nitwits and it's wonderful when Columbo finally nabs the murderer.

[@wrmlm37]

I truly appreciate your "take" on this case. I believe you had done another case involving a Mensa member. It really seems like an antiquated construct as intelligence involves SO many factors besides good test taking skills. My heart believes that you qualify for Mensa, are absolutely NOT interested and therefore enjoy a little of the sass thrown at the group;)

[@eadweard.]

IQ tests don't measure test taking skills.

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@eadweard. they very much do.

[@eadweard.]

@@sisuguillam5109 No, they measure reasoning and problem solving skills. You cannot increase your score with practice either (beyond about 1 or 2 points).

[@aking4766]

It was called "the high narcissism society" worth a rewatch!

[@alifmuhammadchicago]

@@sisuguillam5109 they are dependent on test taking skills, yes. But it's more complicated than knowing how to score high.

[@armchaircouch]

you have a great ASMR voice btw! also thanks for your content!

[@THEPETERC1]

Additional spooky name coincidence: John Dickson Carr was one of the great murder mystery writers.

[@eadweard.]

That's not spooky. In fact it's debatable whether it even rises to a coincidence.

[@THEPETERC1]

@@eadweard. Listen to it again and count the Carrs, then factor in the Mensa murder mystery dinners.

[@xminusone1]

That police officer correctly manipulated that guy in a magnificent way. Flattering his ego and asking him to show his infinite "wisdom". That's exactly the way narcissist people are working. She read right through it, and set up the traps and let him caught himself. Rare are the narcissists that can't resist the feeling of superiority and admiration. Good work.👌

[@riverqueen4561]

Great Video 😎

[@Sibstajimjam1719]

Hi dr grande I would like to ask if you ever get disturbed or mentally creeped out by any of these cases, as you always keep composed even when talking about disturbing cases

[@petitio_principii]

He could make a FAQ video that's like the ones he does about other people, speaking of himself in the third person, with the caveat that he's not self-diagnosing anything, only speculating on what could be happening in a situation like that. "Sometimes people are highly desensitized about disturbing topics, and this is a manifestation of , but such a diagnosis cannot be done only from this superficial appearance because other factors may be at play. For example, a person may be desensitized only to a normal degree that someone has with constant exposure to such disturbing topics when they're on a field of research or practice, like psychiatry. Furthermore, people can chose to, to some degree, mask their emotional response when addressing a disturbing topic in order to conform to certain desired standards for the coverage, where a more visible emotional reaction isn't necessarily considered adequate. That's aided by the ability to record the presentation at a moment the person puts oneself more in control, and even by regular pauses if the subject is really emotionally exhaustive."

[@deathbleu5741]

I think he's pretty detached from it. It's a story, it's not happening to him.

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

That would be like a podiatrist getting creeped out by feet.

[@woodworkingandepoxy643]

Some of the most mentally disturbed people in society are therapists because of what they deal with on a daily basis. It'd be interesting to hear how he really feels about the stuff he talks about

[@carolnahigian9518]

I think all murderers should be LOCKED IN A room with Pest Cousin W ( relative from Heck) they deserve another Cowardly Evil Room- mate.

[@the805coast]

It seems to me most murders have a narcissistic person somewhere in the mix either perpetrating or victim. Some people think they are so smart they can get away with anything.

[@alikat1053]

Hi Dr Grande!

[@audralynn7454]

Thanks for this one, very interesting! Could he have left the bottle due to his love of murder mysteries? They always get caught, they always leave a clue. Maybe he did it subconsciously. Just a thought I had while listening.

[@angelawatson1594]

Dr Gee, Just Keep On Being Awesome 👌

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

Thanks, Doc.

[@NickanM]

The mensa people I met was the worst ever. I aced the test, became a member, but...no one talked to me when they realized that I am a blue collar worker. Never went back. I love working with my hands and being creative, smart or not.

[@emarie1513]

Can you analyze the John List Murders, not the guilt or innocence which is clear, but the opinion of the forensic psychiatrist on the case in the Forensic File program about it, whereby a forensic psychiatrist evaluates what is known about John List (who murdered his entire family, leaves a note for the police, and vanished, living a different life for decades). A sculptor creates a bust of what List would look like at the time, based on the psychiatrist’s input, and they find him. I was wondering if you agree with the forensic psychiatrist’s analysis?

[@lisabradford8180]

the sculptor, frank bender, did an incredible job creating that bust. it so looked like list that one would think he sat for it😮

[@candyvigil550]

I think your analysis was spot on.

[@RunningInLondon]

Dr. Grande, I think they definitely were in on it together. It’s interesting to me, how they were so ‘ultra’ intelligent yet couldn’t get away with one murder, while Gary Ridgeway had an IQ more than 1 SD below the mean and got away with many. Also, there seems to be a lot of ‘neighbour rage’ types of crimes, throughout history. 🤔 Great analysis. Your shows are always entertaining and provide knowledge. I don’t feel guilty binge listening because I always learn something. Without a doubt, you are the best, and definitely the most unbiased content creator here. Thank you! Love from Canada 🇨🇦

[@jeskaaable]

The poison was inserted in Soda bottles which were left on the porch. They were drank by some members of the family, that's why only some have suffered from the poison.

[@francesbernard2445]

Dr. Grande this case is so unusual with such a horrifying story line and tragic ending. On a positive note both the physicians from Haven hospital who reported their medical lab findings about Thallium to police along with undercover officer Susan Gorick deserve recognition for being good at looking for the root of problems and then dwelling on solutions for them in the best ways possible. The story leaves me continuing to wonder who sent that threatening letter. Was the person who sent the threatening letter in the habit of going on holiday for real, unlike Susan Gorick, in a nearby hotel during a long distance affair living in the lake Tahoe area? Sure does sound like George is terrible at finding and dwelling on proper solutions to any problems. Good thing narcissistic George never became a physician along with a being a swinger too I guess.

[@bbbildhuu]

The undercover detective did great work also

[@dawnkobylarz7126]

I've seen this case on other channels,very interesting but too smart for his own good!

[@denimanusiaikan3521]

ini kerren juga dr Todd Grande. Tiap kali publish kontent, viewers-nya banyak

[@gwensstepbro4966]

love it as always

[@briangiesen2015]

Hi Dr. Grande! Well done as always. I don't want to sound silly or anything but I think I had a dream where you named a succulent or cactus. Perhaps seeing your little cacti collection and your cactus emblem on your merchandise influenced my subconscious. Either way great insight and informative!

[@eadweard.]

Well .. what did he name it?

[@themoribundapathetic4530]

@@eadweard. sus e. Bacchaus

[@EarlSmith2469]

Excellent video! I believe the analysis is accurate and consistent with the facts. George is no longer a member of MENSA and his card has been permanently revoked.

[@bnic9471]

How is he still alive 32 years after being sentenced to death? I am not fond of the death penalty at all, but either have it, or don't have it. Better to spare a guilty man than execute an innocent one. Mensa, I think, is the least exclusive IQ club, since 132 is the minimum score. That means you might only be the second-smartest shopper in a Wal*Mart at any given time.

[@winsome6705]

Ty Dr Grande!

[@dianemorton2222]

To poison someone is so horrible. I think the husband and wife did it together. This case was upsetting.

[@mutinyonthekitkat]

Another informative and interesting video. But my attention keeps being drawn in a slightly OCD way to the cactus on the right that's perilously close to the edge of the table. I'm a bit worried for it.

[@PattMcCrotch]

I heard about this story first on the original Unsolved Mysteries TV show many years ago.

[@SarahDunlap]

Oh snap Dr G you nailed it again! Thought you were going to say he was the inspiration for Breaking Bad! Say my name! 😂

[@gaiaiulia]

I hadn't heard of this case at all. It sounds from the amount of evidence that either George was so sure the police wouldn't suspect him he didn't think the police wouldn't have probable cause to search the house. Or he took the fall for his wife, thought narcissists usually won't take blame for anyone else's wrongdoing. They usually try to blame others for their crimes/bad behaviour. PS. The Agatha Christie novel mentioned was "The Pale Horse".

[@birdworldist]

We can all relate sometimes tho

[@justinwatson1510]

Most of my experience with Mensa members came from an ex who was hell-bent on making me join. I typically wouldn’t try to draw any conclusions off of a single experience, but given the nature of the group I think “narcissistic” is a fair description.

[@deannadove3505]

Very interesting case and equally interesting analysis. Dr. Grande, I feel I ask for others as well as myself as I ask you to, please consider analyzing Vladimir Putin's attack on the Ukraine? An in depth analysis of Putin's personality would be of particular interest. I realize this is would be a step away from your usual true crime case analysis but, would be very interesting. I feel like I'm using the word "interesting too much".😀 Thank you for giving me so much to think about over my morning coffee.

[@A.Mad.Lad89]

And the Carrs went on to annoy the rest of the neighborhood….

[@candiceyoung8244]

Wow. Thank you for the video 🌴🌴🌵🌵🌵🌲🌲

[@guydreamr]

Kudos to the police and FBI for one tenacious investigation.

[@scose]

the Forensic Files episode on this case was one of the series best