Mother Who Killed Her Three Children Blames Psychosis and Prescriptions | Lindsay Clancy Update

[@drmikevasovski]

As a primary care physician with 43 years experience, I can say with great assurance, there are many many truths in this episode.

[@stephenmorton8017]

this case could be sent directly to Shutter Island. the crimes are similar. the main theme of the book is the emerging predominance of the 'psychopharmacologists' over the more classically minded 'psychotherapists' which in turn replaced the 'psychosurgeons.'

[@babble2leeza]

As a terminal patient on pallitive care I agree. Some medication does effect your mental health. For me, it's prednisone. Depending on the dose. I've been kept alive thankfully for 58yrs but my quality of life was never stable due to my illness and the dose necessary. Luckily, I was aware and told my loved ones immediately that I am on a higher dose therefore have patience with me until I lower my dose. I am very irritated 24/7 on a dose higher than 40mg. I've been blessed in my life. Having poor health taught me to enjoy each moment. Pain and insomnia are the two things that doctors don't seem to realize how it aggravates the disease and mind. Just lack of sleep for a healthy person is debilitating. God bless you and your ability to listen to your patients.

[@laratheplanespotter]

I really like this informal chat kind of video. Feels more personal and natural

[@ColinGoldGrizz]

I was just about to comment this. Hope Dr Grande keeps these updates going, I love this

[@Mpxyzm2by]

Both are great in diff ways!

[@KrohnosOW]

Also easy to recognize it’ll be an ‘update’ type video 😊

[@Cerbera66]

Me too. I also have the impression that Dr Grande is returning to a more in-depth professional-psychological view of the people involved. I like that.

[@laratheplanespotter]

@@Cerbera66 me too. We like this, Dr. G. Keep it up man!

[@YanoPratt]

My 83 year old mother was overprescribed drugs during the past year and almost died before we figured out what was happening. Docs kept adjusting dosages for a medical condition and then treated the side effects with more and more meds. She ended up basically a drug addict before we realized it, for side effects that included serious mental conditions. A new physician eventually weaned her, a traumatic and dramatic process for one so old, and thankfully doing better now, off almost all drugs. Thanks Doc G for this important discussion.

[@yossi1410]

@@YanoPratt same exact thing happened to my mom when she sought treatment for chronic depression in her 50s. It got so bad I thought the damage to her brain was permanent, but thankfully another doc weaned her off most meds and she made almost a full recovery. Really scary stuff.

[@westcoastweird455]

I had doctors prescribe me multiple meds when I had a one year old and newborn. Thankfully my doctor listened when I said it was making me feel like a worse parent. Stories like this are so scary.

[@elsh332]

"Counselling couldn't have done any worse" is a powerful statement. Thank you for addressing the issue of how over used and overly relied on medication is.

[@laratheplanespotter]

You’re talking too much sense, Dr. G. The sheer amount of polypharmacy here is astonishing. What an absolutely awful situation. Those poor kids and their father. Tragic 😢

[@KatieMalkie]

I really appreciate your discussion on pharmaceutical companies only out for money and not helping people. This is so true, and we are seeing so many unnecessary deaths because of over prescribing......

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

As someone who experienced a medication induced psychosis after a major surgery, I know that you can appear rational and able to communicate yet have horrible things going on in your mind.

[@elizabethp9391]

I got put on lexapro at 15 after a traumatic event in my family life, and it made everything worse for me. I experienced nausea, lack of appetite, and I slept 13+ hours a night. Then I tried Prozac, and it was better but I just didn’t feel like myself. Eventually I stopped taking SSRIs, and at 18 I found a therapist I absolutely love who helps me understand my core beliefs and what fuels my anxiety. I think doctors can be too eager to prescribe meds and patients think that meds are the answer when counseling can be just as effective, it just requires time and effort from the patient.

[@catseatcookiessofiagacha5210]

I'm so glad for you. I've suffered from depression since I was just 16. When prozac came out, it was a godsend. Today I am a happy and functional person. I switched to Lexapro about 5 years ago. My brain just has a chemical imbalance. I have learned to deal with this, medication has saved my life.

[@katiefrankie6]

@@catseatcookiessofiagacha5210Same, but my help of choice was Paxil. It saved my life.

[@ChopBassMan]

There's also the common medical opinion that prescribing antidepressants at any age under 25 - when the human brain is fully developed - is a risky proposition.

[@melissaferguson9650]

I know exactly why I'm prone to depression and I will be on antidepressants for the rest of my life. Thank you. 😊

[@kmg474]

​@catseatcookiessofiagacha5210 Some people are very suspicious of medication but it in fact is perhaps the most effective treatment for many mental health disorders.

[@maureeningleston1501]

A as someone who has struggled for decades with anxiety and depression, and now see's my own daughter doing the same, cases like this breaks my heart 💔😢😢

[@nonicosio]

i am with you, am 70 and have the same situaition, many times at the threshold of ending it; but have endured it, no so one of my younger brother, aunt and her siblings; the rest of her family struggling, for decades i have been treated with some medication, and some helped, others sent me to deeper problems; now, having lost that brother to suicide, and 2 others because of genetic heart problems within 2 years, i have fallen back; having a open heart surgery just before their deaths; fortunatelly, and there is me reason for responding to you, i have found the best natural remedy for both, heart issues and mental, Keto protocol and fasting, be that one day meal, 2 or even 3 or more days; please try it, many doctor in you tube, one of them dr berg, just type keto and depression or keto etc; you will find that after following the best alternative to you, you will see the most peaceful days in your life; you must endure a few setbacks, especially if you are addicted to sugars and all kind of carbs; please inform you siblings; again, no zugars nor carbs nor vegetable oils, keto fasting and moving around.... good luck

[@peps1943]

Sounds extremely selfish to do to your daughter smh

[@saraha5847]

@@peps1943her daughter suffers from anxiety and depression, how is she being selfish? She sounds like a sad and concerned mother. 😢

[@paulakoehler]

Love the new format

[@ek5384]

I have to hear the “Just a reminder I’m not diagnosing…” but I LOVE the new relaxed approach. We need both.

[@ambergriffes6122]

Good afternoon Dr. Grande, thank you for your informative update on this tragic case.

[@cipher2508]

Dr.G kinda back to the roots

[@MolyBDenum-lh3wy]

We'll be back to the roots when we see the monitors in the background.. iykyk 😊

[@fredjonestowns4213]

He's going old school on us. Smooth.

[@lindakeehn5254]

I am now 77 and my anxiety-depressive disorder began during puberty. I’ve been on some medication all my life. I’m one of the 10% where only the medication helps. I tried going off Zoloft several years ago, not only did the depression return, I became suicidal. I’ll be on Zoloft the rest of my life.

[@katiefrankie6]

I’ll be on Paxil for the entire ride. I get it.

[@solotraveller888]

Being on citalopram greatly changed my life for the better,too. The path to finally found the right medication for my anxiety was brutal. Citalopram is a great invention for people to finally live and see it in colours,not only a black tunnel.

[@furlizard]

I love my medication, I'm a crying wreck without it. Meds for life for me too. But its gotta be the right medication. Took about 15 years to find the right one for me.

[@stewarln52284]

Same

[@HyraxAttax]

Sometimes, by genetic chance, it is just a chemical imbalance, and the only thing that helps is having a doctor who makes educated guesses on what that particular chemical is, and how much is needed to re-balance it.

[@denisew3631]

This video reminds of "classic" Dr. Grande. I've actually been looking at those videos a lot lately. I appreciate longer videos too. You get a chance to settle in and really absorb them.

[@ClandestineGirl16X]

@Dr.Grande, I've watched your videos since the beginning. You encouraged me to become a counselor. Your videos help so much. Im in my 2nd year of grad school. Thank you

[@ahhhnushka]

I definitely love the more "off the script" kind of videos! I love your videos either way, but the change is nice!

[@Optics2024]

Had his children survived I doubt he would have wanted her anywhere near him or them. Sadly this is a guy clinging on to what he had.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Ya think?

[@ang_ro]

Yeah... he should divorce her so he can move on. She will never be free again. Poor guy. So heart breaking.

[@BasedMarysMemoirs]

No I believe it's a man who coordinated the murders with her in my home state, I never hear anyone else say this so I am going to shout from the rooftop, WHY DID HE ONLY PICK UP A MEAL FOR TWO?

[@EasrterRising1fan]

@@ang_ro I think they were practicing Catholics, he is not going to divorce her if he believes in sickness and in health. He didn't marry a monster, I think it was the illness she was experiencing on top of the 13 SSRIs she was put on. Poor Patrick, hopefully he is able to find the best healing from this nightmare.

[@ang_ro]

@@EasrterRising1fan Religion. Oof. Regardless of the reason she did it, she k*lled their 3 kids. Bible says do not k*ll. He should get a pass on divorce in this instance. How do you forgive something like this. I guess I just don't understand.

[@Hatbox948]

I hadn't been to a doctor in a long time, but recently had to go due to an emergency. I was shocked at the emphasis on medications. It was all about what meds you took, which new ones you needed, etc.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

It is how they are taught now….3 minutes then write prescriptions

[@Hatbox948]

@@arribaficationwineho32 Exactly. They also ask repeatedly if you're depressed or sad. I'd always say no!

[@bonim5180]

I agree i had an emergency and the dr and nurses could not believe at my age (57) that i only took vitamins. And there i was looking at them like they were drug dealers. Lol 😮

[@donut_life12]

Just look who lobbies the most in our country. Pharma is up there next to weapons top 3.

[@sugarspice7768]

Yep. How many of these crime videos have medication as a component? Especially kids/teens being medicated and then snapping. There should be national alarm and investigation. The pharmaceutical companies & doctors need to be held accountable. How are we as a nation so medicated yet never more sicker or mental unstable? 😢

[@anntunaley9974]

I know someone who had three little kids and was seeing a psychiatrist and an MSW for 12 years for depression. He had her on the highest dose of 10 medications. Then he stopped seeing her when she was due for new scripts that she had been on for 12 years and he knew she was out of all of it. But he let her go bc she had to cancel an appt bc her husband was being taken to the hospital in an emergency and he was her ride. It was only her 3rd missed appt. In 12 years. But the law in her state says that if u miss 3 apps ever with a dr they can dump you. She had seizures and could have easily died. She was alone and went thru weeks of hell and the dr never looked back. Didn't even care.

[@SolidSnake2k]

That's happened to me. Not exactly the same story but I saw a doctor for a long time. Couldn't make a few appointments. Then they dropped me. I went through hellish withdrawals on my own and almost died. Now that I've healed I no longer am on meds. They're garbage and doctors are garbage and only in it for money. The entire mental health system is mostly fake unless you have schizophrenia.

[@lspbeautea4791]

Shocking . Poor women.

[@hayleybourgault4114]

I went through the same exact thing I'm 70yrs.old and I thought I was going to die.

[@Shan-ShanH]

When your neurotransmitters are misfiring, and you have a chemical imbalance in your brain, that is something that cannot be therapy’d away. That’s like telling somebody with diabetes to get counseling before they get their insulin medication and start using it. Your brain is a physical part of your body just like your gallbladder, or your pancreas, and it needs to be medicated when it is injured or not working right.

[@kellygulnick3960]

This is the first time you've come up in my recommendations in months. And I have notifications on dang. Just glad to see you again and play catch up on your videos❤

[@jhoughjr1]

I do think the number of drugs in such a time frame was a factor in her being able to control her behavior

[@m4tta]

i think so too

[@jessepitt]

I disagree to an extent with the prescriptions being only a bandaid without providing real healing. I felt like the relief from anxiety I got by taking medication gave me the freedom to actually address the root causes of my issues.

[@katiefrankie6]

Absolutely the same in my case.

[@lexremillard2549]

Everyone reacts differently and it’s never a good idea to take meds without therapy. As a therapeutic protocol.

[@illitaret8780]

so it was a bandaid that allowed you to be in good enough shape to combat primary cause?

[@nancydupuis8083]

If your brain is constantly scattered and in over drive then its very hard to even focus on therapy.

[@jessepitt]

@@illitaret8780 Yes, exactly.

[@TextbookCommittee]

I love this format. I like your composed videos and puns too but this is a nice complement. As a former mental health practitioner, it’s nice to hear your takes on the professional side of things.

[@ClandestineGirl16X]

Dr. Grande, the explanation of the difference between counseling and taking medication was awesome. Thank you for another fantastic video

[@LordSnobbington-6776]

I like this personal video format interaction from you. It will encourage me to constantly generate an interesting dialogue 👍

[@jeanholmes7976]

Dear Dr. Grande, thank you for providing such good information on counseling vs prescribing medication. This is a very sad case. from Jean😇💕

[@g.f.8249]

Thank you so much for your thorough analysis of both the case and the Counseling/Drug discussion. Your balanced and sometimes funny 😂 videos have become a constant part of my day.

[@mariehenneken4767]

A very sad case. Thanks for comprehensive update Dr. G. Well summarised.

[@yossi1410]

Really great discussion on the aspects and challenges of achieving that therapist-patient relationship and why it's so important to figure out why it a connection didn't happen. I feel like this case is a good example of how mental healthcare has a lot of issues. Lots of different doctors prescribing lots of meds make diagnosing difficult and possibly causing side effects or interacting/potentiating with each other. Also good discussion on the challenges clinicians face regarding when to ring the alarm bells and when not to when a patient vocalizes harmful thoughts. It reminds me of how schools often face tough decisions regarding if a student is a real safety threat or if they're just acting out or something.

[@KrohnosOW]

The medication makes me slightly sympathetic towards a psychotic break but I’m drawn back to the internet searches and the errands she sent husband on.

[@monacoofthebluepacific2571]

It's the errands she sent him on that convinced me she planned it. She wanted him out of the house for a reason.

[@komoriaimi]

Keep having children with that issue unresolved didn't help either. What a tragedy.

[@masudashizue777]

As far as I'm concerned, her children are dead and they did not die by themselves.

[@catramax]

Doctors could have prevented it, she tried to reach out for help but they ignored counselling and went for the money making drugs instead

[@kmg474]

"There's no side effects from counselling"? Really? A bad therapist will turn your life upside down.

[@hikingwiththedog6078]

That's true. There's some horrible advice being dished out.

[@katrinashostakovich3607]

You are exceptional and the information you give is SO valuable. Thank you Dr. Grande

[@SunShine-qk4rb]

I think of this case often.horrific,no matter what

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Affordability is a huge issue for many. Even “good” insurance no longer covers mental health care. PCPs are giving out psychotropics like candy

[@MagentaDreams70]

The tire analogy...brilliant. I enjoy your work & your excellent well thought out way of conveying important information. Thank you. 🕊

[@zb3185]

Can't appreciate enough of this longer video and its deep analysis on counselling, psychiatric medications and mental health! These information can't be found anywhere. It is a treasure for me! Every sentence and point presented align with those of mine. Now I know I am not alone with these understandings. If this content can be viewed by the world, it would be a great educational opportunity to level up general population's and mental health professionals' understanding the significance of these issues in this field.

[@yossi1410]

Also great discussion on talk therapy, meds, causes of mood disorders including trauma, and how the mental healthcare system often addresses acute symptoms without addressing root causes, often with meds. I think very few people will benefit from meds without talk therapy. Your tire analogy is great. Thank you for this.

[@juliaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa420]

I love that you’re changing up the script a little

[@commonsense6846]

That was just soo sad, so many drugs in such a short time, also, any anxiety drug takes at least 6 weeks to kick in. How on earth how she could have been monitored appropriately on the multiple drugs she was taking.

[@coll4455]

Valium and klonpin would have been something she felt instantly. I was on Valium for a brief period and it made me feel drunk and I could hardly keep my eyes open. I don’t know why they would have her on both

[@ang_ro]

I agree counseling is preferable but sometimes in severe depression episodes medication needs to be prescribed immediately. I had an episode once wherein I couldnt sleep, taste food, work, function at all. I was no danger to anyone else nor psychotic but very suic*dal. Medication saved me. Within a week I was eating, sleeping and functioning again. Fortunately they gave me the "correct" drug to help me. It's a gamble for others. But sometimes it truly is necessary to reset your brain.

[@solotraveller888]

I agree. Medication saved my life and sanity.

[@goat9199]

NEW CAMERA ANGLE!!! Hard on my autism.

[@Me-ei8yd]

Don't worry, I'm neurotypical and I'm having a hard time coping. The calming voice paired with the clean non distracting background = gold.

[@skycloud4802]

No diagnosing anyone, just speculating on a situation such as yours.

[@theresafoster2353]

Love the new format!

[@DiandrasBeautyRoom]

Watching now. I love this new setup you’re using.

[@kimberlyroland9394]

This setting reflects the severity and serious nature of the topic at hand. I appreciate it.

[@carldunai7341]

Please more 1 take open chats, I love it. Certainly not complaining about the typical format though, appreciate all of it 🙏🏻

[@laffintig]

Congratulations on your new set and new delivery style, Dr. Grande.

[@HappyVegan72]

I like the new camera angle 👍 love your videos, very informative.

[@meganmichael7571]

I love the informal format as well. And Dr. grande I like your percentages on how people should rely on certain help as far as medicine vs. Counseling. One problem is people don't have great health insurance. They may have insurance that covers a depression drug but does not cover counseling- which is very expensive out of pocket! I wish health insurance would cover mental health better.

[@yvetteroberts3147]

In my opinion, not connecting with a therapist is nothing more than a personality conflict. Certain people bond and others do not. She should have reached out to another therapist.

[@sopheasoeng]

love this new format.

[@Byzmax]

I really like this format and the more detailed and deeper explantion of your observations. Superb video.

[@carolynsilvers9999]

She premeditated enough to get her husband away long enough to carry out the murders

[@dankadesign7462]

Thank you Dr.Grande. I am sure your video will help many people.❤👍👏

[@palletwizard]

Thank you Dr.Grande for this informative upliad

[@cobracommander8133]

Love the new setup!!!

[@LúciaKitten]

Thank you, Dr. Grande. I appreciate your videos very much!

[@melissadunton3534]

This was an excellent video and I really appreciate all the information that you gave, as well as your opinions on everything. I suffered horribly from PPD and since it went untreated it came to a head when my son was actually 6 years old! I was unaware that if it’s left untreated that it can last for years. It started with crying. A lot of crying…for no reason. That causes anxiety & confusion because I didn’t know why I would just break out in tears at any given time. As time went on I just kept telling myself that it was normal and I just needed to focus on being a new mother and trying to do that to the best of my abilities. But it progressed to a point where I was close to becoming agoraphobic. I had panic attacks, I couldn’t drive near any bodies of water or over any big bridges because I felt like I was going to flip the car and drown from getting stuck upside down in a river or lake. The panic attacks were becoming more frequent and my appetite died. I was sure that I was a horrible mother and that I wasn’t doing anything correctly. I stopped sleeping because I thought I’d have night terrors and hurt my son in my sleep. Then I was afraid I’d hurt him while alone with him… just because I was having these horrible thoughts of stabbing him. So to stay awake and fight that urge to kill my sweet & innocent child I would put on home movies of him and watch them all night while rocking back and forth in my chair and humming “twinkle twinkle little star” over and over. It was the only way I could get the feeling of panic to settle down a bit. And the worst part of it all was that I didn’t tell anyone about what was going on. My husband and mother knew something was wrong. I mean I would call my mom and ask her to drive me anywhere I needed to go even though I had a license and no excuse to keep from driving myself. She lived 40 mins away and wouldn’t question me..she would just say yes and come pick me and my son up to go run my errands. And my husband just tried to keep me sane the best way he could without knowing exactly what was wrong with me. But I thought that if I told anyone what was happening they would take my son away from me or they would lock me up. Finally I confided in my GP. And begged him to keep it to himself and not report me to CPS. Thank god he was a good man and an excellent doctor. He asked me a bunch of questions and finally told me that he was positive I had PPD. He explained that if it goes untreated it can actually last for years…yes 6 whole years! He immediately got me in with a psychiatrist and from that point on I was receiving treatment for the PPD…both medication and therapy. I did have to go through some medication changes….but not anywhere near 13 different meds!! 😮 Anyway, the PPD was successfully treated and today my “baby boy” is 31 years old. And now I tell all new mothers (that I know personally) my story and try to educate them on getting help. I let them know they don’t need to be afraid to reach out to their doctor, because PPD is very real and it’s treatable. If you stuck around long enough to read this, thank you and god bless. 😊❤

[@maddiemaccheese8170]

13 medications within under a year is WILD

[@ecasey91]

She prob realized killing yourself isn’t that easy, that’s why the wounds were superficial. There was a woman in Massachusetts shortly after this happened that killed herself after giving birth to twins.

[@AngelGonzalez-pd4cn]

And?, what or who made her killing herself?, asking because these days nobody owns anything they do, everything people do today is someone else fault.

[@RuthAyresMusic]

Really interesting talk. Its a truly awful story & your insights make so much sense. I like the new format.

[@ImaCatMaia]

I'll say it again - this format is great 😊

[@doctorajaguar]

Glad the more personal videos are back. Sad case overall.

[@sharonpowell3656]

I'm still on the fence on this one. My hold-up is that it was planned out. I can't seem to get past that.

[@lhr8833]

Do you understand what is PPD plus 13 psychiatric medication changes in less than a year?

[@Flutistno3]

You HAVE to like your therapists to make any progress. I've seen many, but never one I didn't like. There is a sense of professionalism inherent in all jobs, but therapy is different. You have to become a certain level of friendly with each other. Professionalism is necessary here, to a degree, but it's very different than seeing a doctor. If you don't feel comfortable around your therapist, then you won't be honest and bear your inner problems. They get to know you well enough to see you from your own perspective and from an outside perspective. This is above critical. I like your discussion about psych meds, too. I am on fairly high doses of 3 right now, Trazodone, Bupropion (Abilify), and Escitalopram. I like how they make me feel less depressed, but the side effects if I miss even a few days are dramatic and at times disturbing.

[@Robin-xt7yo]

Dr G is the GOAT 🐐 . Thank you Dr G for your perfect prolific posts!

[@toribern816]

Oooooooo I LOVE this new set up Doc!! ❤ and I can’t wait to hear your take on this horrible case.

[@desnutz901]

NO ACCOUNTABILITY IS A SCURGE ON OUR SOCIETY RN!

[@evawasteson1296]

You are so right. If an person is anxious it is better to learn to handle the problem that causes the anxiety.

[@maryrichardson6029]

Always interesting Thanks for the update. Thank you❤

[@marcussheffield7221]

Love new format!

[@ministerofdarkness]

I agree with the state. Lindsey should go to prison for murdering her 3 children.

[@srsusansummers3070]

Totally agree

[@theredrover3217]

Again a very good video Dr Grande for addressing issues in this particular case and in general for difficulties with one's Mental Health. I want to mention that in particular I began to write this comment saying a whole lot more. 😜 Very glad I decided to wait until listening through the entire video. 👍

[@deborahtrapper7421]

Much better. You come across as a caring, intelligent mental health professional.

[@Kristyle11]

Yay informal Dr. Grande is back…we need a name for these types of videos!

[@charlottereitberger6253]

I prefer the basement video set up it’s more personal up close thanks Dr Grande, stay in the basement 😂

[@TommyKing-m3f]

As someone who’s struggled With poly-substance abuse my entire adult life.. YOU ABSOLUTELY CANT BLAME THE DRUGS FOR KILLING SOMEONE. ESPECIALLY SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO BE YOUR FLIPPING KIDS!? THE AUDACITY… It’s actually sickening that the dad would take her side. He should really be ashamed. Guy needs to move on. She completely destroyed your entire family. It’s time to let her go dude.

[@GarbagePlateROC]

This. She clearly was having mental health issues, regardless of the drugs.

[@zenawarrior7442]

Appreciate the update. Anxiety can be upsetting, drugs usually exacerbate mental health esp when taking so many/mixing, yes hate the 💊 pushing😑Thanks Dr G💖💖

[@maryrichardson6029]

I take MH meds. My doctors watch Me Evert 30 days

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@maryrichardson6029 Not sure what those are. Of course meds work for some, not what I was saying, just they can be dangerous overall and make things worse. Dr G had great points.

[@terryKessler42719]

She’s a nurse. She knows not to take all the drugs at once .

[@hikingwiththedog6078]

My brother was given Wellbutrin because he was depressed about an eye condition. Three months later, he deleted himself. We were completely shocked, until I read the journal on his computer, where he explained the effects of Wellbutrin on his health and his life. That was over 20 years ago. And FINALLY, somebody is speaking about caution! Thank you so much Dr. Grande. I do not begrudge anyone using medication when they're desperate for relief. But I have enormous doubts about big pharma, how they sell their products, how they report their "testing," the FDA, and maybe some doctors who take kick backs. Thanks for urging caution.

[@kellyharper367]

Retired Mental Health R.N. here... our facility almost always utilized councilor/social worker first, then medical management with hospitalization, medication initiation, and medication monitoring as adjunctive treatment.

[@dirtypatwalsh]

Lookin good Dr. G!

[@shelbywoo917]

I deeply agree with you take on medication verse therapy. This critical opinion is always what I look for in a new therapist.

[@emilycummings896]

This incredibly tragic case hits a nerve for me. I was diagnosed with OCD when I was a teenager and had managed it relatively well before I had my first child. After my first son was born, it was the scariest time of my life. Postpartum OCD coupled with hormone fluctuations clouded the weeks following his birth and I needed a couple stints of in patient care to get on the correct medication, be paired with a wonderful therapist, and for my hormones to stabilize. I had a similar experience after my second son was born, though I knew what to expect. My situation is obviously different from this case but maternal mental health needs to be taken more seriously than it is. I was blindsided by my symptoms the first time and I'm lucky to have had all around good mental health care to get me through those crises. That is, unfortunately, not everyone's experience.

[@fakesox3550]

There's people that actually think she isn't responsible at all and shouldn't be held accountable because she's a woman. I won't say what I think should happen in this case.

[@brittwells8355]

She made damning searches on the internet days before and sent her husband out. This was definitely premeditated imo.

[@toribern816]

I don’t care if it’s prison or an institution, she needs to never be free. 3 kids are dead. Facts.

[@Laydeejay800]

👏👏 Excellent job on this case Dr G 🌵🌵

[@StephanieProbably]

I have many questions like, if hormones are always fluctuating and she was on so many meds, how could they say she doesn’t have postpartum depression? When does postpartum depression end and psychosis begin?

[@heatherhoffman9869]

I appreciate this format as well. Kinda makes me think your wife is going to pop in with a beverage that corresponds with the season.

[@gregjohns4003]

This is a better format Dr.

[@arenasification]

I hope you don’t change your usual format. I love falling asleep to your calm scripted videos!

[@legoqueen2445]

This is so heart breaking! She was unwell for a considerable time and was trying to get help. As someone who has struggled with mental illness, have experienced psychosis and post natal depression, I understand the struggle and the confusion when your mind is sick. It also takes time to find the right medication and one has to live through side effects (my one and only psychotic episode may have been brought on as a side effect of Prozac). From a pharmeceutical point of view, who knows what was going on in her head? I've had a lot of counselling/therapy too and this has helped me heal and learn coping skills. My heart aches for her and her husband and their little angels ❤ Mental illness is a tight rope condition where there's never a guarentee that the safety net is going to support you or not.

[@KelABN]

I agree with much that was said about drugs and their downsides, but as someone who’s been dealing with a mystery mental health issue for 35 years, people like me eventually reach the point where counseling just doesn’t help (especially if you have a degree in psychology and have been self analyzing for most of those years 😹). At that point every new medication or therapy could potentially be the one. As far as this case, I do think she was highly overmedicated. People forget that when you stop taking a medication, it’s effects can linger -sometimes for weeks. It’s way too easy to get multidrug interactions that may not be obvious.

[@dbentleyto95]

There are several people in my family who have needed mental health help, some temporary and a couple chronic help. In any of these situations therapy helps to find coping skills and helps with help when medication is changing. I am not sure I would be happy with anyone in my family whose drugs were changing frequently to be left alone with children. It can be a confusing and physically painful time, and there needs to be a hands-on presence during this time. We all need to educate ourselves in how therapy and drugs work together; it takes a village so to speak. It is slow and steady and takes time.

[@katiefrankie6]

Agreed. She should never have been left alone in that state. It was unsafe and unfair to her and to her children.

[@kimberlyroland9394]

Also, this video shows the passion Dr. Grande has for mental health treatments.

[@kylahall4686]

Man, people love you Dr. G!