Tokina 23mm 1.4 and 33mm 1.4 Lens Review, Samples, and Déjà vu

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

IMPORTANT UPDATE: Viewer Joshua Ali pointed out that there are two differences I failed to notice/mention. First, unlike Viltrox, the Tokina lenses have no USB ports. Does that mean updating via the device? I'll see if I can find out. Second, Viltrox has a 1-year warranty with shipment to China, whereas Tokina has a 3-year warranty with shipment to a California address. One important thing I forgot to mention! X-Pro 3 users may have less to worry about with the Tokina 23mm 1.4 than the version 1 of the Viltrox 23mm 1.4, as there appears to be more space between the base and aperture ring. Although, I must stress, I do not currently have an X-Pro 3 to confirm that with. www.dropbox.com/s/gbrjtpkbzy1w4ie/measurements%20.jpg?dl=0

[@alijoshua]

Differences I've noticed: 1. The Viltrox lenses have a Micro-USB port for firmware updates, whereas the Tokina lenses do not. I presume that means that firmware updates are done through the camera body like Fujinon and Zeiss Touit lenses. 2. Viltrox offers a 1-year limited warranty where you're expected to ship it to their warehouse in China. Tokina offers a 3-year limited warranty where you ship it to an address in California.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Nice. I'll add those points to the pinned comment and description, courtesy of you, Joshua. Great points!

[@ThorDyrden]

3. (Could be) with official X-mount license Tokina probably not only has access to Firmware-Updating, but also the LMO in Fujifilm bodies... this digital correction option may become interesting for some challenging lens-designs and JPEG-shooting.

[@ivotouart]

Viltrox reverse engineered the mount, Tokina pays licensing fees for the real deal.

[@jfabregaagea]

Is it possible that Tokina has a more protective surface recovery in the lenses than Viltrox?

[@itacatv2146]

@@jfabregaagea Forgive my ignorance, but what is “protective surface recovery”?

[@markhantla7915]

Andrew, by demonstrating honesty, you continue to build trust with your viewer base, and for that I thank you. Let's call it doing good with your gear reviews. Cheers!

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

😆

[@sgtoconor]

Tokina should have made an 11-16 fuji mount

[@BartRos1980]

Totally need that

[@itacatv2146]

I have a Tokina 11-16 f2.8 for my old Nikon d7000. I bought a Nikon G lens adapter to Fujifilm X body, with an aperture ring and I used it a lot on my XT3 until I bought the Viltrox 13mm f1.4. I still use it a little, but not nearly as much as I did before. The main issue is the adapter. For some reason the mechanical aperture ring has only 6 steps and the first one or two do nothing, so every click on the ring is a 2 stop increment. That sucks, but I might try a different adapter in the future.

[@ZangLussuria]

Tokina has always made good lenses. Built well too so the QC or possibly the royalties to Fuji may play a factor in price. I'd really want to see the Tokina 11-20/2.8 in native mounts. Was about to get the 11-16/2.8 for my Nikon but then they came out with the 11-20.

[@johnkarakatsianis7281]

One of the few reviewers on KZbin that actually tells his honest opinion about a product...although tokina send you the lenses you didn’t hesitate at all to tell your unbiased opinion...I’m a musician (except an amateur photographer) and when a company sends a product to a musician youtuber, they just focus on the good things and not discuss anything about the negatives of the product....you’ve got a new sub...thank you for the video, I was about to pull the trigger on a 33m tokina...now I’ll just research it a bit more.

[@williamschaffel3760]

I mostly shoot landscapes and briefly had the Viltrox 23mm f1.4 and the 33mm f1.4 until I returned them because most of my photos had CA and or vignetting. Now I have the Tokina 33mm f1.4 and do not see the same problems. I agree that these lenses are almost identical and most likely came from the same third-party Chinese lens maker, especially if you look at the Tokina lens mounts and see a plate covering the hole where the microUSB port goes on the Viltrox lenses. However I imagine that Tokina's licensed Fuji interface benefits with the firmware in my X-T2 correcting the CA and vignetting I saw with the Viltrox pair, while it will not do the same with the unlicensed Viltrox lenses. As others have said, Tokina has a three-year warranty and a repair facility in California while Viltrox offers the usual one-year warranty and you have to ship the lens back to China. Add the cost of the Fuji licensed interface, with a better warranty, and a US based service center and that's a big part if not all of the higher cost. As for Tokina rebadging Chinese made lenses, the lenses still have to meet Tokina's OEM specifications and quality standards and Fuji moved most of their lens production from Japan to China, then to Thailand, and now the Philippines. I have to say that I enjoyed your video along with your straight forward real world examples.

[@user-sg6xv2kb8s]

I see a tiny amount better light transmission with the comparisons I've seen. I wonder if on of the internal coatings or elements is slightly different. I guess we'll never find out. If you look at the shot of the 2 lenses upended in the video the coating looks a more green hue on the Tokina - similar to their other older designs. Either way a stunning lens and one to enjoy. Great to have options.

[@khangluong2660]

Do you notice a difference in sharpness?

[@williamschaffel3760]

@@khangluong2660 Not really much difference in sharpness but the Tokina lenses are authorized, so the in-camera firmware corrects for CA and vignetting. Optically, I think both are the same design being made in the same factory.

[@cescudify]

If Tokina made their 11-20 F2.8 into native fuji mount I think it will be an instant hit. Only thing missing from fuji lineup is ultra wide angle zoom with big aperture and ability to take filters

[@mr.b4444]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Both Tokina and Viltrox should try to corner the market on 3rd party super wide lenses. I'd buy one instantly.

[@professionalpotato4764]

If they made it with a new motor. It'll be a hit. The atx-i was kind of like a scam. If the AF motor still makes noise, it's a no-go for me.

[@apamacam4838]

It wont be long now for us to see that day since tamron starting to make lens for fuji

[@johansphoto]

Or Tamron, they also have an 11-20 aps-c, just not for Fuji yet...

[@user-sg6xv2kb8s]

Yes they have now updated and re-housed the 11-20 into a super 35 or vista vision cinema lens with a price to match. The older one works great on Fuji with an adapter also.

[@israrhussainaquarius]

Hi 👋 loved your honest reviews and amazing way of explaining. Question, I am new to fujifilm please advise which lens would be better performer overall TOKINA 23mm OR VILTROX 23mm. Thanks alot

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

I believe they are literally the same lens. :) So whichever is the better price.

[@israrhussainaquarius]

@@AndrewGoodCamera thanks alot for valuable comments , what if I buy a used older version fuji 23mm f1.4 R for $400 vs viltrox 23mm f1.4 , is it worth buying old fuji over new viltrox, TIA

[@k1ng92]

Thank you for confirming color accuracy and performance and I agree that AF tests are usually flawed to some degree. I think if weather resistance alone was added that could justify the price difference but at this point I think Viltrox is still the smarter buy.

[@lesscubes]

I really wish Tokina would’ve done something to differentiate their version of the Viltrox lenses. Like... paying whoever the OEM in China is to add aperture detents. Sweet hat tho.

[@andrescruz9448]

I know for $100 more they could have attempted to weather seal them.

[@ShutterKnack]

@@andrescruz9448 yep for a 100 USD they could've added a clicked aperture ring.

[@JET-Photo]

I learned a lot about the Chinese manufacturing processes while doing vape product reviews. Many of these companies are literally all on the same street. They also get the base product from 1 or 2 central plants and then add their brand to them. Sometimes they are slightly tweaked to seem different. But essentially, they are at their core the same products made in the same plant. They also tend to “borrow” tech that has been designed elsewhere, like if you developed a gadget and had it manufactured in China. Suddenly you would see a Chinese product that was very similar on the market. Saw a lot of guys get their designs ripped off over the years. There is no honor in the Chinese marketplace. Some of the people I dealt with were good people though.

[@tofushopvlogs]

Can you do a thorough review of its video capabilities? Curious if the AF will rack naturally or snap to focus

[@rogeryoung3587]

Interesting stuff - and it's rare to hear opinions like this expressed so articulately on KZbin, where monosyllabic viewpoints predominate ;-)

[@harmonichue]

Lovely! You can not be more honest than this. Thanks for bringing this video up on YT

[@khammarutchaimongkon663]

This is the best review I've seen about these lens. Thanks you for honesty review.

[@gabrielrosu3977]

Awesome video Andrew, was looking forward to this, great delivery 👏

[@trym2121]

Sorry if missed it but did you compare the jpeg as well? Maybe tokina has digital correction for distortion and CA

[@canermustafa9404]

Great video, thanks. You mention that the Tokina versions suffer less chromatic aberration. Is the key difference the lens coating used by Tokina?

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

You misunderstood. Tokina does not suffer from less CA. From what I can tell, it is similar to Viltrox.

[@frankiecalabro2617]

Andrew thank you so much for this review. I love your vids!!! My best to you and your lovely family!!! God bless!!!!

[@IsaacFromHK]

Hi Andrew! Could you please share with us if the AFC Settings (Speed +5 or -5) work with Fuji with latest firmware work with these lens in video mode, meaning if they can shift the focus smoothly from near object to distant objects, or whether this is just a sudden change in snappy focus regardless of the setting? Because this is very important for us to decide if we want to get this or the 23mm F2 Fuji lens for video The use of official FUJI focus protocol from Tokina is their selling point so we want to see if there is any difference. Thanks!

[@johansphoto]

Too bad this did not answer the two most interesting questions: AF-performance and chromatic aberration. The optical formula is the same but these things might differ. The Viltrox lenses suffer from a lot of CA so if the Tokina coating handles this better it could be worth the difference. And being licensed by Fuji might give the Tokina an edge with autofocus performance and possibly even image correction in camera. They can also be updated through the camera body which is why they don't need the usb-port. Tokina is a Japanese company that has been around for 70 years and is one of the best reputed third party manufacturers next to Sigma and Tamron. They have a three years warranty so I would say there are a number of advantages there. It definitely would be a safer buy. However, the CA and AF performance would be the main deciding factor if there is a mentionable price difference. Where I live the difference is currently only 30 Euro so that makes it an easy choice to go with the Tokina. However, I still hope I can find a good comparison of CA and Af before pulling the trigger. Anyway, I did not mean to come off negatively. I enjoy your channel a lot so keep up the good work!

[@BojanBojovic]

I understand you returned those lenses, but do you remember maybe do they have the same problem with the video AF racking speed not reacting to in camera settings as Viltrox lenses?

[@thoughtcriminal7198]

Vokinas? I think the Xpro 3 spacing problem was fixed with the Mk2 85mm.

[@thorstensund6649]

Moin Andrew, thankx a lot for this early review. I´ve already got the 23 mm Viltrox. Because I dont like the clickless apperture, I`ve been thinking about a change to Tokina. Now I know it has the same issue. Greetings from Germany

[@Shawn_Kelley]

For the step-less aperture ring (I'm thinking video), if you chose the "shoot without lens" option in the Fuji menu, would the aperture ring give you a smooth and step-less result?

[@nerdMike]

No, it's a lens aperture physical design thing.. I always have the option enabled and nothing happens.. for viltrox for example you have click less ring but the aperture in fact is not stepless, the option enabled doesn't change the behavior.

[@beProudd]

thanks for video. I have quick question, how different CA between tokina and viltrox in 23 f.14

[@tobiasadi]

Great Video! Since Yesterday I´m a happy owner of the viltrox 56 1.4 and that's so great - with that and your video I´m close to invest in the viltrox 33 ! Greetings from Germany ;)

[@cdreyes81]

Same here

[@alexfrederickson1540]

Hi Andrew, I’m scratching my head at the reasons behind this apparent ‘cloning’. I noted the service differences and the USB etc but then why not state that to justify the price difference? 🤔🤷🏼‍♀️ Anyway, thanks for your input and for telling it like you see it as you always do. Take care over there 📷🤗

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Yeah. I have asked for clarity. Will for sure let everyone know if I get more insights.

[@alexfrederickson1540]

Thanks, Andrew. It will be interesting to hear what they tell you. If they’ve watched the channel they must know you’re not the kind of guy who shrugs and says yeah the images are good and leaves it at that. Hope you got your answers ready, Tokina 🤓

[@robstorm8359]

Thanks for another down to earth review. Good comparison between Viltrox and Tokina. Very rare on KZbin ...

[@codykastler4709]

I love that you gave that constructive criticism without pulling any punches * while * wearing the Tokina hat 😂

[@kiwipics]

@Andrew & Denae ... Unfortunately I'm not in a position (UK covid lockdown) to shoot with my cameras for good, but instead I've gifted two cameras to a young UK couple who will put them to good use. One is a Canon 400d and kit zoom to a young lady needing to shoot basic product shots for her start up, and the second camera is a Canon EOS 650 35mm film body for her partner who has never shot analogue before ..... A good home found for two much neglected cameras. I love to recycle equipment and this latest bit of recycling makes me happy. Great video as always .... I hope you and the family have had a great Christmas.

[@homesavvytech]

Big thanks, Andrew! Essentially, the Tokinas are definitely not worth the $150 premium over the Viltrox(e)s (here in India). There was a lot of talk about Fuji having licensed their X-mount specs to Tokina due to which AF performance was expected to be better than on the Viltrox(e)s, but reality seems to be just a badge change!

[@gerben4875]

Thx for the review. You mentioned the customer support of fuji is not great? I beg to differ. My x-t1 rubber and door got replaced for free. Dead pixels are mapped for free. The customer support most of the times responds within 1 to 2 days on questions. the SAB probleem of the original x100 still gets repaired without cost. I think fuji is doing pretty great actually!

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Congratulations. My 56mm 1.2 has been at their damn shop for over a month now.

[@gerben4875]

@@AndrewGoodCamera I am sorry to hear that, I hope you will get it back soon

[@oikoitvofficial]

I experienced the same free rubber replacement for my XT1 :)

[@BelowZero]

I've been using Tokina lenses since late 80's. They're built very well and honestly, I never ever had an issue with this manufacturer. Optically, they're absolutely great. I would trust more this Japanese company than some totally new lens maker that appeared on the market just few years ago. Give them some time, I'm sure they will introduce some wide-angle lenses that will be on par with Fujinon glass.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

I don't it's the same company it once was.

[@BelowZero]

@@AndrewGoodCamera I gotta disagree on that one.

[@bruhddah]

@@BelowZeroBased on what?

[@guich.mp4]

Hey , can you do an autofocus comparison ? It would be great !

[@kian8382]

I don't think it does Tokina any good rebranding other's lenses, I'm sure Viltronix firmware upgrades in the future will also work on rebranded lenses but why take the risk for no extra benefits?

[@m.stewart8094]

Does the 33mm have the same long minimum focus length? That was what made me return the Viltrox.

[@mike-ls1bl]

I'm relieved. I just finished buying the Vltrox versions and was worried the Tokinas were gonna be substantially better because of the price differences. So, I remain happy with my Viltroxii.

[@Visions_in_Toyko]

nice, i just got these lenses to test out as well, looking forward to putting them through their paces

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Enjoy!

[@jonesmatthewlee]

May I ask where the photo at 4:21 was taken? The environment is stunning! The colors are very pleasing too. Thanks for the review! I laughed when you mistakenly grabbed the wrong lenses at the end.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

😆. That photo was taken in Zion National Park

[@ceecee130x]

I'm a bit disappointed at Tokina after seeing your assessment of the optics. It's long known that the Vilrox and Tokina share parts/manufacturing early on, but Tokina pitched that is version has special lens choosing that is more resistant to flare than Viltrox' version. Granted, Tokina has 3-year warranty (+ service centers in US) vs 1 for Viltrox (ship to China), and it doesn't need a USB port to update firmware (a "promise" of higher long-term compatibility with Fuji). So whether that's worth the $100 is a very personal choice. The fact remains that right now, the two lenses are the same. I have been holding off on the Viltrox to see if that Tokina "coating" is going to make a difference... apparently not. Thanks for the honest opinion.

[@kokokoen]

Thanks for the heads up, like the little joke at the end. It's good to see another lens manufacturer making x-mount lenses, but not like this.

[@maxwiltshire6159]

Nice video - good to have it confirmed that these are the same as the Viltrox lenses. I agree with Andrew - I had the Viltrox 23mm and really enjoyed it; focuses really fast and consistently and is more than sharp enough even wide open. I traded it for the 23mm Fujicron because I wanted the weather sealing for shooting in the rain, etc.. Otherwise I think the Viltrox 23mm is awesome. Why on earth would anyone pay $$$ more for the Tokina version?

[@1BigBucks1]

Appreciate the honesty! And it is a nice cap.

[@mcmoose64]

I will wait for a lab test before deciding . If the Tokina lenses have better coatings , they may well be worth the price premium. I'm more than a little disappointed with the lack of weather sealing . I have owned several Tokina lenses . Without exception I have been pleased with their optical quality , but every one of them had sealing gasket on the lens mount. I am about to jump ship from Canon to the Fuji system , so more lens choice would be great , but as Fuji lenses are already reasonably priced and high quality , the 3rd party guys are going to have to come out with something special to get my money.

[@joaoferreira6365]

Thanks Andrew, impartial analysis.

[@freenando75]

sorry for silly question,, why use f 1.4 in landscape photography?

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Are you asking why use 1.4 aperture on a lens that has 1.4? or why use a 1.4 lens at all?

[@freenando75]

@@AndrewGoodCamera i had the idea that for lanscape one should use f8 or more, for more detail

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

The answer is pretty straightforward, yes, higher aperture number for more things in focus. Lower if you want to isolate things at certain depths. Most of the time apertures between f6 and f16 are used.

[@ingwarmagn3393]

And also for work in low light conditions.

[@fraserp2377]

I have read in a couple of places that vignette and CA are much better controlled on the tokina and I have seen sample shots that support these claims. I don't know if this is because of in-camera corrections for the tokina, or a physical difference, but if it's true then that might be a big deal for people who like to use ooc jpg.

[@JayGrapherTh]

tokina have a great apsc 10-15 or some wide angle zoom lens at f2.8 and that might have been better to adapt to X mount for fuji than what they did here. ( think it was for a canon apsc mount if i remember correct) bottom line is that Tokina base on their lens line up have some more interesting lens options that they could have adapted to x mount than what they have right now.

[@moonlitmedia6513]

I want to see some sigma lenses. Does anyone know if sigma is considering x mount? A 18-35 native mount would be stellar

[@problemat1que]

Fujirumors just mentioned Sigma will release Fuji X mount lenses in 2021

[@markusschewe2350]

Thanks especially for the comparison! I'm waiting for that for a while now. I was so curious about whether Tokina does better with CA and has a better click between Auto and F16. But that hopes seem to be destroyed now. Looks as if I can purchase the Viltrox for Sony E and there's no need to wait for the Tokina.

[@MrCochise71]

Tokina. Super underrated! They make great glass.

[@Michaeltje2.0]

Yeah well not this time lol cheap move to copy a lens design to put their name on and sell for 100 bucks more. Thats how brands get hate and a really bad reputation.. And in worse case they need to shut their doors because nobody buys a damn thing of them because your brand name says scam.

[@MrCochise71]

@@Michaeltje2.0 I guess I should say... Usually 🤣

[@mikemitchem4846]

Bet they want their cap back!

[@thepirateshoots]

first viltrox, now tokina? what film am I in?

[@problemat1que]

I'm looking forward to the comparison between Fujifilm XF, Viltrox, and Sigma trio next year.

[@maxdmachy]

Cool results - lucky you living in a desert with snow in the background!

[@olegasphoto]

Nice review.

[@opalyankaBG]

Thanks for the great review. I'm eyeing the 23 1.4 as a replacement/upgrade to my 27 2.8 Fuji pancake.

[@canucklehead28]

I bought the trilogy (Tokina that is) for Sony. Used for $600 Canadian, and I'm surprisingly impressed. I own the Sigma 30mm f1.4 and I'm selling it, because, although it is superior and inferior in some ways from the 33mm, there a "character" to the Tokinas. I'm very happy.

[@johnmatthew878]

Hey when are u reviewing the x-s10

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

I wasn't planning on it. Seems like there's a million reviews on it. Is there something you want my perspective on that you haven't seen elsewhere?

[@johnmatthew878]

@@AndrewGoodCamera 🤭 I just want to wether the touch screen works on main menu and while reviewing the photos.... swipes, pinch to zoom and stuff.....like how it on canon cameras.... I wrote to most KZbinrs but none is replying.... Thanks for replying though 😃

[@YouSoerenTube]

Doesn't Tokina offer stabilization due to the official connection to the camera body? Viltrox doesn't

[@chuckashton9688]

Who makes the better hat?

[@mattdebyl8806]

For me the biggest difference is Tokina has a national distributor and Viltrox would be imported. If I have a problem with the Tokina I can get service and if I have a problem with Viltrox… Additionally the Tokina comes with a good quality filter whereas the Viltrox doesn’t. I also expect that the protocols and updates will be a bit more native than the Viltrox, although these may be coming from the same source anyway.

[@derekdewittimagery232]

My viltrox 33 focus ring fell off after s month of (light) use. Sticking to fuji at the moment. Maybe sigma next year if those rumors are true.

[@Photoguti]

Many thanks Andrew! I have the Viltrox and it’s fine but I always wanted the Tokina because of the great quality optics they used to produce but, now I am quite disappointed, as it seems they used Chinese design and manufacturer to produced a Chinese-like product

[@ryanclouse299]

Same. I have the VS1 90mm f/2.5 by tokina and really happy with it. I will probably still go with Tokina though when they release their 56mm f/1.4. Getting the official license from fuji for their autofocus and having a 3 year warranty where you ship to california sounds better than a 1 year warranty where you ship to china.

[@christopherfox735]

I remember the days when Hanimex & Vivitar where exactly the same lenses. So this is nothing new. Tokina was a great independent lens maker that sometimes made better lenses than the camera manufacturers. Perhaps, Tokina feel their brand deserves to have a higher price? It’s more likely that these lenses devalue the brand more. It’s not a win, win for Tokina.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Yes, your last two sentences.

[@maxwiltshire6159]

Totally agree; I'm sure Tokina do think their product deserves a higher price becuase of their name. Problem is, the product isn't actually "theirs" - they have just slapped their 'Tokina' badge on a lens produced by somebody else. It really feels like the sort of shoddy practice companies could get away with 20+ years ago. Thanks to the internet we are all much savvier consumers now. Tokina really deserve to take a bath on these lenses, in my view.

[@mr.b4444]

Both Tokina and Viltrox should manufacture super wide lenses. Something that would compete with fuji's XF 10-24mm. I'd buy one instantly.

[@chtojeetovsezanyali]

tokina/viltrox 23/1.4 or Fuji 23 f2?

[@Michaeltje2.0]

23mmf2 fuji is a rock solid lens. Built like a tank and never lets you down. And WR also :)

[@Cyclingdropout]

I may like your new channel more. keep it up

[@andrealfred5217]

Great informative video. ..background music a tad bit loud while you were speaking

[@therealareastudios]

OMG I never thought I would win! Thank you so much Andrew! How can I contact you to give you my address?

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Congrats! Email us: denaeandandrew at gmail dot com.

[@therealareastudios]

@@AndrewGoodCamera Perfect! Thanks again!

[@nitinpouniker]

Awesome review

[@aaronclinesmith2286]

I would pay the extra money for the Tokina if it had a clicked aperture. That's the only thing I'm not stoked about with the Viltrox lenses. I own the 23 and 56, and they are great lenses. I also owned the 85, but sold it to buy Fuji's 80mm macro. I actually miss the Viltrox 85mm for portraiture. It outperforms the 80mm in that regard.

[@ELVERTGONNE]

Tokina quietly pushed a second version of the 23mm f1.4 in Europe last July, is 30 euros cheaper than the 2020 version, I have no idea what difference it has. New version model code TO1-ATXMII23F, old one TO1-ATXM23F.

[@-grey]

They look like they may have more of a pastel colour rendition.

[@illdee04]

I thought I was the only one who sees it.

[@kabassa]

in my personal experience a recurring problem with products from china is about durability, most of the products I buy from china seem to look good as soon as they reach my hands, but as time goes by, everything goes out of place, falls apart, etc. and this is something that we can only observe with some time of use, after that you end up choosing to buy the original product and end up spending even more money since you lost money on the first Chinese purchase. I don't know if you can trust the durability of these lenses, nobody knows yet.

[@SiddhantParkar]

I agree. My fujinons are rock solid, so are my made in Korea Samyangs. I bought a Meike lens and in a few days it started showing it’s age.

[@kabassa]

@@SiddhantParkar yes, I keep thinking about how durable the lens coating is for example

[@michaeltan9512]

@@SiddhantParkar well there are price differences among the lenses you mentioned.

[@SiddhantParkar]

@@michaeltan9512 I agree. But the Samyangs are priced close to the Chinese lenses but they are rock solid. Even more than the Fujinons. I’m astounded with the balance of quality and affordability with them.

[@BlueBrendan2000]

I think this release is a big missed opportunity. The Viltrox lenses, as great as they are, were far from perfect (clicked aperture ring, flare performance, CA, soft corners, mediocre MFD) and Tokina re-released what appears to be an identical set lenses with 0 improvements (and at a significantly higher price too). Neither Viltrox or Tokina come to mind when I think of reliable quality control. The major weaknesses of the Viltrox lenses have been pretty well documented by several sources at this point; AF speed/accuracy isn't one of them. (Most) customers aren't stupid and in such a competitive marketplace, there really isn't any room or reason for redundancy. I don't see why anyone would buy these lenses from Tokina.

[@jcsuarez8970]

Me hehehe

[@marksantostefano1637]

I would rather buy the Tokina because it has a three-year warranty and you send it to California to be fixed if it needs it not to join! It’s worth the extra 120 bucks!

[@pod054321]

Waiting for a review of the new sigma x-mount lenses

[@jullettevaltiendas1712]

Love the colors in your images!

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@danielnguyen6113]

There are different coatings in the tokina. There is less flare and chromatic aberration

[@paldo771]

Tokina will offer these newly released lense as refurbished lenses on their website soon..🤭🤭

[@grandpascuba]

The reason for the price difference between Viltrox and Tokina is because Tokina has licensed the Fuji mount from Fuji, whereas Viltrox reverse engineered the Fuji mount and is producing the lens mount without paying license fees to Fuji.

[@thomas_fodor]

Tokina have a far better support system & dealership network internationally. They have been making lenses for a very long time too so I dare say the QC is much better.

[@mixeddrinks8100]

was that the elephant rock in valley of fire? Love the firewave there.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Sure was! Wish we'd have had more time to explore it more.

[@PaleHROse]

Looked it up, Tokina is also made in China. Looks to me like relabeled Viltrox. Ive seen this before

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

It's not relabeled as there are physical differences in the build. But they are essentially the same in every way that matters. Subtle distinction. Not a relabel, but certainly they come from the same Chinese manufacturer.

[@KristerAlfonso]

it looks like the Tokina lens have stabilization while the viltron does not.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

I don't think so. Where did you hear that?

[@KristerAlfonso]

Ah sorry I read the page wrong. Says it can communicate with in body stabilization

[@mihir1997]

These aren’t weather sealed are they?

[@cpyoutubes]

It's mentioned briefly a couple times in the video, no weather sealing. They're essentially the same as the viltrox lenses.

[@mihir1997]

@@cpyoutubes that’s a shame really. Weather sealing would have made the price difference justifiable for me b

[@kalok0118]

there are "WR" the tokina factory told me, they said same with XF

[@clemfandango9534]

Lack of weather sealing is a deal breaker when you live in Scotland

[@billb8262]

Tokina: Yeah, we're gonna want that hat back too.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

😆

[@illdee04]

If they are all the same viltrox and tokina.... I'll choose the viltrox because to me it looks nicer and it's $100 cheaper.

[@bradl2636]

It’s really sad that Tokina has basically imploded. They have made some fine lenses.

[@JonathanVarasRoco]

I really would like to know of this Tokinas shares the same "bussy bokeh" of viltrox? 👀👀👀👀 *Specially when you shoot people in parks or trees*

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

I expect the optical formula is identical

[@stang8913]

Waiting for the Sony’s E-Mount version.

[@MrKoalalan]

Hmm 🤔 looking forward to a review of the new tokinas ! My legend Bokina Tokina 90mm 2.5 ask for 😂. But Tokina failed in case of price an distance to viltrox. Shame Tokina ....stay brave you have an history, who ist viltrox. Why all brands go for click less aperture ! Video 😡 $$$ too much better the Orginal 35mm 1.4

[@ben.huynh.2012]

They are the same ! It is impossible compare with pixel peeping even with two same Viltrox lenses you will have different result. At least Tokina should put clicks aperture ring to make it different. Tokina is not there where they were !

[@Gseirei]

Thank you for such, I guess, honest review. I was waiting for Tokina, now i am not :) 23 wr f2 is better choice I think. With this focal length we don't need super bockeh 1.4

[@maxwiltshire6159]

I had the Viltrox 23mm and traded it for the 23mm F2 - very happy with the Fuji lens.

[@subhradeepchanda5870]

Finally