The Dragon's Deception | Of the Children of Húrin: Tolkien's First Age Explained - Part 10 of 13

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Most protagonists have plot armor, Turin has negative plot armor.

[@MrARock001]

Túrin: "This is the worst day of my life." Homer Simpson: "The worst day of your life SO FAR."

[@OOCMonster]

M Bison: This is Tuesday.

[@theedisastergf]

Literally everyone he meets: TURIN NO Turin: TURIN YES

[@alexmarean367]

Your videos are so good! I have literally wept for Turin. I had to look up the dagor dagorath earlier this evening just to remind myself that the children of hurin get justice.

[@MrARock001]

In the way that the mortality of Men is usually portrayed by Elves as a "gift" from Eru, I wonder if there's another, unexamined "gift" of Eru to his Secondborn children that, unlike the Firstborn whose Fëa will literally abandon their Hröa (they will die) if they succumb to grief, Men cannot die this way, and just have to feel it. I imagine that if an elf suffered through as much grief as Túrin has, Tolkien would write that he "faded into grief and was spent" and kill that elf there and then.

[@mairepres]

So sad and so true...

[@rubycube1506]

Also, it sounds like Turin is the most unlucky bastard in the whole history of middle earth. And I'm sure I power jogged through 80% of your videos by now. I doubt anyone else is so damn cursed like that guy. From now on when I have a bad day I'll tell myself "I could be Turin Turambar." and then calm down.

[@WhoIsCalli]

The Tuor/Turin cross is such a fascinating part of the story. I find myself thinking about what if from time to time. Great episode 🌈 Dave

[@tidcooney6273]

A reflection on Turin's worst day yet (emphasis on yet) is my best day ever. Thank you, Rainbow Dave, you beautiful groover

[@genoman87]

Another fantastic video! Thank you Sir Rainbow!

[@richardjohansen5371]

You can sum up Turin's entire story with the following words: But wait! It gets worse!

[@ianmacdiarmid1249]

Rainbow Dave, you're videos are fantastic. Eagerly look forward to them

[@veronicasiegfried2712]

Another wonderful episode!💙 Thank you❤

[@priscillachung-hacker5923]

Thank you Rainbow Dave! The Dragon's Deception is an excellent, yet heart-rending episode. No matter how much Turin tries to do the right thing, it always seems to end up in grief and despair.Turin's suffering is endless, from Beleg to Finduilas. Tolkien really created an incredible, complex character. What an exceptionally moving story, and told so masterfully by you. So looking forward to the rest of the series, but at the same time not wanting it to come to an end.

[@JavierMoreno-my4mg]

😭😭 I’m so happy today you dropped a new video! I have been obsessed with your channel

[@AlexisLopez-pb8ms]

All of your videos are great but this story has to be my favorite. So glad I found your channel. You should have over 1 million subscribers at the very least ❤

[@TheGoodesBrothers]

Always a great day when you upload mate! Can't wait for the finale

[@rileycord1248]

What a great gift to receive on Hobbit Day! Phenomenal work as always, Dave!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Happy Hobbit Day!

[@moistmike4150]

Wait - I missed Hobbit Day?!?

[@tolkienuntangled]

@@moistmike4150 happy belated Hobbit Day!

[@ladykoiwolfe]

There's a Hobbit Day?!

[@angelulopez2648]

Bad ass video! Thank you Rainbow Dave 🙏🏼😊

[@WolfgangSeiya]

The passion and detail of your storytelling is unparalleled Rainbow Dave! Thank you so much for this amazing series. While the previous parts were brilliant, part 9 & 10 have been the hardest to get through for me: so much deliberate torment, so much cruelty and hopelessness, so much malice for just a few souls to endure :(

[@richardjohansen5371]

I feel like, with the tale of Turin, Tolkien watched/read all of Shakespeare's tragedies, then read Oedipus, then went over his notes on all the unhappy ending Viking sagas, then said "Imma use it all in one e story."

[@lorierush6561]

Yes! My feelings exactly. Love it.

[@Dahnyule]

"Let no one stir...or this head will leave its shoulders." I mean that level of badassery is exactly why it would be Turin chosen to deal Morgoths final deathblow in the Last battle. Even now under Glaurungs spell, wearied by emotional and physical anguish he has no equal that can challenge him.

[@jennatomlin1273]

Beautifully told chapter, as always. Much love, and thank you.

[@BigBWolf90]

Turin...the prime example of used to be a sweet kid, best of intentions but questionable actions, one's actions can bring consequences on others & the Joker's philosophy of all it takes is one bad day rolled into one bad day

[@Dahnyule]

This has to be the most heart-breaking installment yet. I honestly was nigh tear-stricken in the way you encapsulated the emotional gravity of Turins internal suffering after realizing how he failed Finduilas. As the reader/viewer its almost as if you're suffering with Turin himself, such a compellingly tragic and sympathetic character which is a credit to both Tolkein as a writer and you as a narrator Dave, well done as usual, just beautiful storytelling. Finduilas...Labadal...Gwindor...Beleg one after another the doom of Turin becomes the demise of so many good people so undeserving of such dismal fate.

[@louisebrouillette5580]

Rainbow caDave, your storytelling is masterful! Each new episode is more dramatic than the last. Even though I've read The Children of Hurin, I still can be surprised. Thank you for another wonderful episode!

[@thomashopkins8453]

First video I've discovered by you, great work man this was so enjoyable. Story time with you is great, wish I could entertain my lil kids like you entertain me! ❤

[@sethspear8778]

What a great way to pass the time while sick in bed. Love the videos Dave!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Get well soon.

[@MellowMutts270]

Omg I was not expecting this!!! Thanks for the surprise Rainbow Dave!!

[@willajer]

I was literally milling about for a few hours nothing to do. Thank you ❤😊

[@johnappleseed9546]

One od the best so far, narration was on point Rainbow Dave

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@superyoda993]

Thank you so much Dave.

[@dictatoribenevolo8394]

I love all your vids man.. keep them coming please! we support you all each as we can :)

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@DeJahMode]

This story reminds me of To Your Eternity in the way that … I just want Turin to have someone but everyone he comes in contact with dies terribly.

[@keiranjarrett9691]

I hope your channel continues its success. As a fellow Tolkien fan but you tell it with such passion in your voice i could never do. i hope to hear your videos on Tuor and the fall of Gondolin. Also if you created a "what-if" videos i would watch that regardless. Keep strong Tolkien Untangled

[@georgepowelson5333]

This is perhaps my favorite story by the brilliant professor. It is made even better with your mastery and passion. I agree with many in the comments, you have the absolute, hands down, best Tolkien channel in the whole of the internet.

[@XenomorphOrthodontist]

An incredible overview and retelling, Dave! Thank you for sharing these incredibly epic tales in the way that only you can.

[@MrARock001]

Holy crap, I've read Children of Húrin a dozen times, and I've never put together that Saeros was using elven foresight to taunt Túrin with the bits of his future that he could foresee. I guess that's what you get when you have a magical elf who behaves like a dick.

[@AlejandroBetancourtweb]

Turin is one of the best characters that Tolkien ever created. Much like Aragon but without the wisdom of a friend like Gandalf to advice his actions. Now, try to imagine what would have happened to the free peoples of the Third Age if Gandalf had not been with them, guiding them against Sauron

[@thatcrossfitdude]

The tale of Turin Turambār is arguably one of the most defining moments, nothing short of tragedy, in the history of middle-earth. Could Gondolin have survived had it not been for him? Could the story of Earendil and the ultimate outcome of War of Wrath had been the same, had it not been for Turambār? It blows my mind, wow. Thank you so very much, Dave, for doing what you do. 🌈 ❤

[@drshin9893]

How does Gondolin falling have anything to do with Turin? That’s the story of his cousin Tuor Prolly falls faster if Turin doesn’t kill Glaurung

[@thatcrossfitdude]

@@drshin9893 well you answered your question :)

[@thatcrossfitdude]

@@drshin9893 with Rainbow Dave, I’ve learnt, it’s always in the details. The could’ve-beens and the would’ve-beens 😄

[@mushroomman4488]

When i figure out who the old bagerbond was and for some reason i almost fainted.

[@emessick]

I’m always very happy when I see I new video! I love this series, the Children Of Hurin is one of my favorite books

[@astridchladek1927]

I had such a feeling…. Check the internet I thought… it feels like there could be a new video I thought ….. and behold! My inner Tolkienometer didn’t fool me! How wonderful to be able to listen to 🌈Dave, to look forward to watching the rest of the video when the kids are asleep…. What a gift! Thank you Dave! 💖

[@gregjorda3080]

You got a great voice for this and your love of the stories really comes through...well done 👏

[@Sandbarfight]

Amazing world thank you so much appreciate everything you put in to your videos.

[@vojtechhoracek7923]

Thanks a lot Dave! Your videos help me get through hard times, since the combination of professor Tolkien’s work and your deep dive in it is close to perfection! Also shoutout to all the great artist and their beautiful paintings

[@NeferLioness]

I am so glad you posted this one! It's a cool drink of water on a scorching day. I am going to the beginning of this playlist and when it's done, I will still be smiling. You are a blessing to us all Rainbow Dave!!

[@victorianguyen6620]

Dave, tbis was great! I love how you told this part of the story. Soooo engageing!😊❤

[@Annatar_the_admirable]

Loving your rendition of the tale. Even having read the story less than a year ago, stuff like Tuor seeing Turin and your other fun facts add a lot!

[@DHTC888]

O MY GODDDDD YOU CAME THRU FOR US!!! Wow awesome thanx Rainbow Dave!!! 🤘😃🤘❤💛💙💜💚

[@BrianStorm742]

Hell yeah! I'm so ready for the final act! Ready, and confused as to how on earth Mîm is going to be returning to this narrative, as foreshadowed by you many videos ago. Actually, I have a million questions. But I won't spoil myself. Patience is a virtue.

[@JSFal]

Gonna be a good friday now!

[@boneless_chicken1]

Another masterpiece ,Rainbow Dave!! What you're doing here is indescribable, I've finished the Silmarillion just recently and through your videos I'm getting such a new perspective on the book I feel like reading it all over again!...... Which I will

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks so much! I think the Silmarillion gets better with every re-read!

[@Rextter]

I can't wait for next week's episode! 😊

[@tglrod]

Wow, I wasn’t expecting a video today. Christmas came early!

[@denissediaz3640]

Glad you made a community post so I could come like it right away

[@michellebeckham5310]

YES!!! I almost gave up on a RD video today.

[@jennipherem3695]

Nice one Rainbow Dave! I like the factoid that Sador/Labadal was ultimately intended to be changed into a Drûg. We need to see more of that fascinating people.

[@EricGasz69420]

Great video Dave! The Children of Hurin was the first book I read after watching the movies growing up and is still my favorite story of middle earth! I wish the fall of Gondolin was a bit longer… it’s interesting how much involvement ulmo had in the first age against morgoth, he was the only valor that really seemed to do anything for the free folk outside of valinor. I feel like he’s responsible for Turin’s healing at Eithel Ivrin and he was definitely trying to save Turin from failing at Nargothrond. One should always listen to the advice of Cirdan!! It must be so sad for Turin to go back to the pools and see them desolate now after all that it did for him and the joy it brought to others of Beleriand. Morgoth’s slow creep down the continent was always foreshadowed by the retreat of Ulmo’s blessing in the waters of the land. Anyways I’m rambling! Your description of Turins second visit to Ivrin made me really think! Keep up the good work!!

[@SpeakyDeak]

i just love your story telling, awesome, thank you

[@MrARock001]

Yess! Thanks Rainbow Dave!

[@ZeepDr]

I can't believe it had to go this far for Turin to become self aware lol C'mon Turin, like DUDE, you've got to be TROLLING us at this point, no? Someone can't be THAT stubborn and entitled, ....can they ?!??! Turin's temperments * are * the curse!

[@ZeepDr]

(I really hope his temperaments are not the curse)

[@andrewbelmont665]

1:06:40 I think at this point, the better question is, "What could possibly go right?"

[@Shirohige4yonko]

And today at work i was listening to the tale of Beren and Luthien again haha. What better timing to listen to this sad and tragic story.

[@AK.__]

Absolutely great story. Thank you! Without knowing the details to come, i do feel, that due to some powers, Morwen returned back in time to earlier time, and thus caused the loop of her existence. That's why no one seen her any more.

[@ilonapsiuk1078]

I am teaching my nephews english only to sit with them through all your vids! Honestly mate, U should be recording eBooks! Greetings and thanks for making weekend even better witha new episode!

[@bee-l-zee-bub4298]

SO, WHY, WHY ,WHY have you not been approached as a consultant for any movie, or tv series relating to Tolkien. I have been told again and again, the the Silmarillion, is nigh inpossible to read. Your videos howeever, i binged watched and am rewatching as they are so well told, so well put together and it is obvious that your admiration for the tale, is definately the passion that pushes you to do thsee videos. Many thanks and keep them coning.

[@brettmuir5679]

Poor Beelzebub. Who ever told you that The Silmarillion is impossible to read is illiterate. This story is from the Silmarillion. Is it difficult to understand? Give it chance mate. Start by going straight to the chapter, "Of Turin Turumbar". I believe you can do it

[@amandahill5304]

I just love Turin he tries to do the right thing but the curse turns it against him ❤❤

[@rubycube1506]

I started watching because i wanted to understand Tolkien. Now I read Tolkien to understand your videos :D

[@tolkienuntangled]

That's awesome!

[@MrAwesomewill]

Good stuff. Love the passion.

[@scherer9516]

I lost all hope but yesssssssss. Better late then never

[@tapunyr8526]

Really looking forward to this 😊

[@hidingtk2860]

Ah yes, it's story time with Rainbow 🌈. Honestly, perfect timing .

[@kevinwilson4238]

Turin walking into the Hall was probably him not caring if he had been killed.

[@pippinisawesome52]

Sooooo when’s the next one coming out? That was PHENOMENAL

[@paulgalligan1916]

I just got the dragon helm tattooed on my chest Ouch I know insane 😆 🤣 but I just love this shit 😅😅 an you my friend are the best of the lot ❤️ this series in particular has been amazing 👏

[@tolkienuntangled]

That’s awesome!

[@AbdullaLima]

I was looking forward to one of the few funny moments in this book but it was barely mentioned: "Turin comes across orcs surrounding a small group of men: >Therefore, out of sight in the underwood, Túrin made a great noise of stamping and crashing, and then cried in a loud voice as if leading many men: 'Ha! Here we find them! Follow me all! Out now, and slay! >At that many of the Orcs looked up in dismay, and then out came Túrin leaping, waving as if to men behind, and the edges of Gurthang flickered like flame in his hand...the woodmen ran to join him, and together they hinted their foes into the river: few came across. >At last they halted in the bank, and Dorlas, leader of the woodmen, said: 'You are swift in the hunt, lord; but your men are slow to follow.' >'Nay,' said Túrin, 'we all run together as one man, and will not be parted'"

[@joseph.icerebro]

Poor Labadal, loyal til the end.

[@smoc29]

What a great story teller!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@MrARock001]

It just occurred to me that if Morgoth can chain Húrin to a chair with a view that allows him to always see his children and their misfortune following his curse, wouldn't that mean that Morgoth himself had the power to see where Túrin was at all times? And if so, why not just have some orcs meet him in the wilderness? And even more importantly, why not use that power on Túor and find Gondolin?

[@EricGasz69420]

Morgoth doesn’t know where and what Turin is doing at all times and Hurin can only, in the words of morgoth, “see with my eyes, and hear with my ears” morgoth learns from his orcs and Glaurung what Turin is doing, and Hurin learns second hand from Morgoth. It is a bit confusing but I believe the Children of Hurin is a lay told by a singer chilling in ossirand after the fall of gondolin and maybe after the third kin slaying I think?! Hope this helps!

[@alexanderwerner9294]

We can't say for sure how it works exactly, but it most likely involves mainly Morgoth just telling about what happens. Hurin certainly doesn't see all the exact happenings, as you pointed out that it would imply that Morgoth knows everything up to the intimiate dialogues. But Morgoth's knowledge runs deep. His spies are everywhere. Take Nargothrond, he knew that the Mormegil was Turin. He certainly told Hurin about it and that he was the one to have the great bridge built. And then later, he tells him about Nargothrond's fall and how that bridge helped Glaurung and the Orcs to ransack it. It is also said that he would add lies to the truth and downplay the good parts. He knew Turin, as the Dragon-helm, was the captain of Dor-Cuarthol, and that he inspired a heavy resistance to Morgoth for a while. I imagine that he downplayed such successes of Turin quite a bit whilst emphasizing and distorting the negatives, such as the eventual betrayal of Mim. Hurin gets essentially fed Morgoth's version of The Children of Hurin. And many of the details are indeed lost in it. Hurin doesn't know about the better parts, as Morgoth mostly didn't know, and when he did, he would lie about them. He doesn't know about Thingol pardoning Turin for Saeros' death and trying to get him back to Doriath multiple times, and he probably doesn't even know why Turin left Doriath. In Morgoth's version, Thingol was just a bac host to Turin and utterly failed at keeping him and the rest of his family safe. We see that from Hurin's actions later on, that he has a distorted version of the events, lacking many of the finer details. Melian points it out plainly. Hurin doesn't see all the moments of Turin doubting, trying to do good, the bravery and dedication of Beleg, Gwindor, and Mablung to keep them safe. He just sees all the failures. It's obviously possible that he also tormented him with false visions. And perhaps, as Dave suggested, he could sometimes give him first hand glimpses, for example, through Glarung's eyes. Though I personally find it less likely. Morgoth's eyes and ears, much like the Eye of Sauron, are more metaphors of their reach and their knowledge. Morgoth doesn't literally hear what's being said hundreds of miles away. It is, however, sufficiently ambiguous to let the imagination fill in the blanks. And the uncertainty of how much Morgoth actually knows and influences Beleriand, and how exactly his curse works, makes it seem all the more mysterious and threatening.

[@MrARock001]

@@alexanderwerner9294 yeah, it was rightly pointed out that it's more like Húrin only knows what Morgoth knows, and then only the parts that Húrin wouldn't want to hear. I think I wad just taken by the visual of Húrin literally chained to a chair on the top of a mountain, which for me conjured something like the far-seeing effect of the chair on Amon Hen, but I guess it was more symbolic.

[@Chuck-kc3pg]

Hey Rainbow Dave, your work is amazing. Will you do a series on the Fall of Gondolin?

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks! I’m hoping to cover Gondolin in 2025.

[@haleyschreiter9746]

I've always read it assuming that Aerin burned herself along with the hall, knowing that death was close at hand anyway. She may be a minor character, but I really admire her strength in the midst of a pretty terrible life.

[@IanHeins]

Nice work dude thanks

[@kevinryan5920]

Brilliant, thanks so much 🙏

[@waldo5017]

Great video as always! Only critique I have is that the Druedain (at least to my knowledge) are not descended from the men of Brethil. If anything they seem to be a product of a completely different evolutionary tree, and seem to not be related to any of the Edain of the first age.

[@mihael448]

What a wonderful surprise!

[@RJ420NL]

Thanks Dave.

[@mrs.manrique7411]

Untangled has uploaded again! Just in time for Hobbit Day. ❤🎉

[@annaroselarsen4218]

Happy Hobbit day!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Happy Hobbit Day!

[@delciuss]

great video Dave when is the next one coming out?

[@tolkienuntangled]

Next Friday (the 13th) ☺️

[@delciuss]

thanks for the update keep up the good work@@tolkienuntangled

[@tolkienuntangled]

@@delciuss thanks!

[@fred20097]

But i find it a bit odd that he spent so many years either fighting in the field or living with the elves. But not once did he consider returning to his mother and sister until Glaurang suggests it? If he cared so much about his family, why did he wait so long to see them? The curse of morgoth? But sonetimes the curse works, sometimes it doesnt. For example, he's luckier than some such as Gwindor or Hurin. He never ends up in the clutches of the dark lord

[@lauradolph967]

First off, I hope you're okay. I wait impatiently, but now that I know how the story is there is a part of me that doesn't think I can bear to hear it told. Another Part Of Me knows that you will do it incredible Justice. Sorry for the caps

[@tolkienuntangled]

All good, thank you! The next video will be uploaded on Friday 😀

[@richardjohansen5371]

Does Turin even have any moods besides depressed and angry amped up to 11?

[@Ali_Ayasrah]

Did we just get foreshadowing for the fall of gondolin?

[@DHTC888]

WOW Y’all - you’re not gonna believe this but check this out - so I’m getting a car repair done and I’m in the lobby reading The Silmarillion, and it’s leading me up to the final confrontation with Morgoth and LO AND BEHOLD - I stumble on the scene where Turor stumbles upon Turin from the opposite perspective 😮!!!!

[@ThomasMcLaughlin-js7sf]

If I was Turin and you were my Fenduliius I would rescue you.

[@eudorius]

Thank you ❤

[@Shirohige4yonko]

With the tales of Beren and luthien as well as the tale of the children of turin. Im thinking we building up to the war of wrath?

[@tolkienuntangled]

All in good time 😁

[@colinlowrie29]

Happy Hobbit day everyone hope everyone had a great Hobbit day

[@tolkienuntangled]

Happy Hobbit Day!

[@EricGasz69420]

Happy Hobbit Day to you too!

[@astridchladek1927]

Danke!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thank you very much!

[@j0b01231]

YES