Tom Campbell: Faith, Religion, and God in the Big Picture

[@Arthuriantimes]

For me, this is one of the most important, helpful interactions of Tom's Big TOE. Tom's TOE model is actually the most unique, advanced, helpful original perspective of existence in the last 1000 years. It is the only model that has helped me deal with existing in an uncertain reality.

[@cosmiccheetah6906]

Ben Franklin once said, "To see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Great video, Dr. Campbell.

[@lettersquash]

You can lead a cheetah to wisdom, but not make him think.

[@snacklepussPSN]

Have you verified Dr Campbell is or was a NASA Physicist? If not; you are also seeing by faith:

[@91722854]

how do u lead a cheetah to wisdom? one sentence is often where pop-philosophical stops and avoid further explanation.

[@rtanidean4931]

@@snacklepussPSN Why would that matter to the message he presents? Thx.

[@twcjr44]

For the most part, I have consciously pursued my growth.

[@LovingLifeNowNoMatterWhat]

AwoMEN 🌬🌸🌌🌏

[@stephenwilliamson5300]

Why can’t everyone be as open minded and realistic. Thank you Tom.

[@kroeran]

One of the benefits of learning Tom's metaphors is that it creates a shared language that not only unifies the traditions of the east and the west, but most importantly, creates a basis from which to understand Quantum Science and unify the intuited with all that is measureable in big science. Jesus, Buddha and Tom are pointing at the same reality, but Tom's metaphors are the new wine and new wine skin of the current era, which needs your support.

[@digang7]

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼

[@twcjr44]

From the perspective of fear and ego, the idea of giving unconditional love falls somewhere between terrifying and irrelevant and appears to not make practical sense. Also the concept of forcing oneself to have love for anything is impossible. If force is required, it is not love. Why would one want to become love? So their life will become happy and productive, meaningful and satisfying, and significant and powerful as they move from being part of the problem to being part of the solution.

[@consciouscleaning3146]

❤❤❤

[@chaykha89]

Thank you for making things easier to understand and more practical to use in my daily life. But I was wondering about something. If we are in a virtual reality and we are information and consciousness is the large system with which we share information then even though consciousness is everything and it is evolving and expanding through us, it couldn't be the creator of this virtual reality since also it isn't perfectly evolved and is finite. It could be a creation just like us, inside this virtual reality,in order for the game to expand and reach higher levels.... I don't know really, it is just that I think that any game or movie or virtual reality thing has to have a creator. that's why my question is, consciousness is a creation to interact with as a tool for this reality to expand or is it the creator? The reason I emphasize on the word creator because things have to have a beginning. They can't just be there . I would totally understand consciousness and how it is related to us in this virtual reality let's say in a creator mind, in a creator system that is enjoying the game he created, but it has to have a precursor for all this if we don't want to call it creator. ( excuse my humble thinking as I am not a scientist like u are. English language is not even my native language so excuse me if I am expressing myself in a primitive way)

[@tacymusicman]

Mister Campbell, from Newton to Einstein, I haven't met a man that explains "the reality" better then you. Peace and love :) Thank you for the tools you just gave us :) Hopefully, many people will see this.

[@eliort404]

Its difficult not to ”belive” everything this man says. Although i will have an open mind until something better comes along😅. I just have so much respect for him and what he does for us, the mankind. Thank you sir❤️❤️❤️

[@rtanidean4931]

Trust in You. Carry on 😊💚

[@kroeran]

I think the key is that most economies are free enough such that if you focus on your own game, you can get done what you need to get done, materially.

[@judyhuey1157]

Very refreshing listening to him!

[@twcjr44]

Yes it is. Ego is self-awareness in the service of fear. The awareness of separation, of ourselves in a VR, does not have to engender fear, but initially it often does. Eventually we grow up to enjoy our self-awareness without fear or belief (i.e., with love if we evolve positively). Because we learn that even though we are separate in our VRs, we are still one with All That Is, still connected with everything -- a solution to simultaneous cooperative oneness while being individual.

[@elad520]

Hi Tom, did you soley use Robert Munroes sound meditation therapy to access different states of consciousness? I've also heard you say your able to do this in a 10th of a second at this point after learning through sound I can only assume? You are at the point you don't need the sound to access different states of consciousness. My struggle lies in gaining focus to the point of interaction in a flow. Slowing down interpretation enough to gain focus in order to conceive it at that level. I try to do it every night while dreaming but its not until after I wake up I realize I was unable to carry over that into the waking state. Also through meditation I gain a different perspective through the darkness of the back of my eyes in which I slip in and out of consciousness states but unable to gain a clarity to hold onto it. Besides consistent practice, do you have any other ideas that maybe able to help me achieve an alternative state as you and Dennis and others have been able to achieve? Thank you

[@nobodyspecial5250]

Religious belief and spiritual faith are not the same thing!

[@nobodyspecial5250]

Skepticism is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit!

[@twcjr44]

Yes, It is our experience and the intent driving that experience that enables the evolution of consciousness.

[@ogbare32]

I completely agree with Tom Campbell this subject, i feel he is a messenger from the higher conciousness.i will encourage any right minded human to share this video to any loved one .

[@stevieclark556]

Thank you yet again Tom. Talk about resonating with me... I've felt a lot of what you say, instinctively for as long as I can remember! "Love" is the programme. God is the Computer.

[@wraithofsolidarity]

I flipping love you, Tom Campbell, 7 years of growth, 7 years of not looking at pieces of paper, I had problems with my mind from around 16 with forgetting things and losing my low entropy in conversation I found a way to live. this free will science will change everything. I go to Lila quite often now with a host of gods and goddesses we all know from across the world, I've seen some things, I'd love you to do some art one day.

[@straightpath7795]

As I was searching for truths I looked into many religions. I noticed there is a lot of hatred in some people. But when you look at where people get their information and see what kind of people they follow you have understanding why they act and say hateful things to others with different beliefs. My thoughts are everyone is on different levels of understanding and loving. I believe love is the answer. 🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

[@maxhillaert9253]

What's the difference between a belief and an understanding? What Tom explains as his understanding, this insight form his being, I think could be considered his belief.

[@rtanidean4931]

Oh ps. “A disbeliever is just another believer!” “The truth can’t be owned!” Excellent dissertation! The “truth” is perpetual, it unfolds within oneself and our experiences. All about discernment to what is balanced within YOU! Observations, discernment, heart-centered consciousness, intentions and actions. Rather simple actually.

[@iwastoldtherewaspie]

Just discovered these videos. Holy shit this man is a genius

[@mikegrand]

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[@rickynelsun1078]

Genius is understating Tom Campbell!

[@megarachne3000]

no other word for it.

[@MindVersusMisery]

Hello Tom! I've been watching a lot of your own videos the last year, and the different topics about everyday life you did with Evita Ochel. And I have two questions that has come up recently: 1) With Evita you talked about nutrition and the morals concerning our food choices. The part that really resonated with me was the part about not causing harm towards sentient beings for food when it is not necessary. And in this clip above (at about 3:40) you are talking about when it is time to stand up and fight for justice. I understand that actions are most efficient when they come from love rather than from fear or frustration. The issue of animal rights is so difficult though since exploitation of animals is so deeply rooted in our culture. What is the MBT view on activism, such as animal rights activism? And how can one be the most efficient in helping the animal liberation? 2) Since we create our own reality, and reality is subjective and therefore "real" to us. What is then the purpose or what role does schizophrenia, dementia and serious hallucinations play in our subjective reality and our "growing up"? Thank you Tom for helping me understand life! Much love from Sweden!

[@twcjr44]

The VR is working fine -- we are a pretty thickheaded bunch of pre-schoolers, so progress is slow

[@salasvalor01]

Your explanation from another video about powerful people who are just ordinary people, but simply attached to power, is definitely an important insight, btw.

[@courtstone]

At the end, I've never heard Tom laugh that hard when she said, it was perfect LOL

[@vishveshtadsare3160]

Yeah perfect is a metaphor.

[@digang7]

So much wisdom packed in one conversation! My being has evolved by listening and integrating. I’m full of epiphanies and connections. One of my most favorite Tom Campbell conversations yet.

[@peacekeepermoe]

Tom would win any blinking (not rather) challenge. He can go a minute without blinking when he is listening to the interviewer lol. Good interview and info.

[@twcjr44]

Self-awareness in the service of love is good -- necessary even. Self-awareness in the service of fear is called ego and needs to be eliminated.

[@hamishjames5953]

Tom was referenced in an interesting article I read about reincarnation, for his unique understanding of reality. & because I see religion for the close-minded man made belief system it is, I had to watch this video first (the video title had me a little worried) to see if this is a person I could trust & open myself up to. Needless to say, he views religion in exactly the same way I do, obviously in a more eloquent way than I could ever describe, but.all his points instantly resonate with me. I've got a feeling this channel is going to be an extraordinary ride.

[@amritpalchana7807]

what article did you read about reincarnation? do you remember?

[@SandroLendler]

Thank you, Donna and Tom... it's nice to hear/see you again :-)

[@larsellingsen7302]

Sometimes I wonder, dose the bacteria in my colon knows that I exist? I must be the universe. I wonder what they talk about me and about the limitation of the universe (my colon). We just like those bacteria in the universe. It is beyond our knowledge. We are not the species that somehow can explain the whole idea. We don’t have the mind or the ability to do that. We are just imprisoned in the darkness of another kind of colon somehow. We always try to explain the big picture with the limitation of our existing knowledge. Well in the time of stem engine, everything was like the steam engine. The boy works like a steam engine. The modern idea of the computer is the dominant and the ultimate knowledge that we have now and we try to explain everything by the virtual reality. However, some years from now, we will find a new dominant that will try to explain what we are and what realty is about, yet we will fail again. I believe that our limitation is like the limitation of a glass of water it can only contain a limited volume of water and you can’t add more. We are not the species that can figure it out. That’s it.

[@twcjr44]

Peer review (especially for new innovative ideas where having lots of supportive peers is impossible) is available primarily for academic physicists and it is as much a political/cultural process as a scientific one. If academic physicists keep moving toward my position as they have since MBT was published, perhaps one day that might be possible. Watch the introduction video at PEAR Labs

[@LohengrinTh]

I agree with every approach Tom has in every single matter.. his approach is always so incredibly sincere and truthful.. he is enlighted He exhibits a complete freedom from all the placebo boundaries this World tries so hard to bind each individual into.. He is the personification of mental Freedom

[@fractaljourneys1153]

Yeah he has the mental freedom to claim he's a physicist and worked as a large systems analyst for NASA, but that's rubbish I dare anyone to provide a independent verifiable link proving his claims about his education, I've spent a lot of time trying to find any proof of his degree_ nothing nota zilch It's all a facade There are plenty of actual physicists with great Ideas regarding the nature of reality Max Tegmark, Fritjof Capra, Erwin Schrodinger(what is life). etc. Tom Campbells ideas are tainted by his outright and well orchestrated lies.

[@1greenMitsi]

***** look harder noob, it took me 10 minutes...learn to interweb archive.org/stream/bethanian1966beth#page/176/mode/2up using credentials to undermine theories - you are an idiot, you just dont know it yet

[@lettersquash]

1greenMitsi Yeah, it looks very likely that he graduated with a masters degree in physics, and started doing a PhD, then dropped out, so didn't get a doctorate. I can't disprove any of the following from the Institute for Neuroscience and Consciousness Studies inacs.org/2013/04/30/lucid-dreaming-and-out-of-body-experience/ "Thomas Warren Campbell, Jr., graduated in 1966 with honors and majors in both mathematics and physics from Bethany College in West Virgina, received a master’s degree in physics from Purdue University in 1968. and commenced work toward a PhD at the University of Virginia. He left before completing his doctorate to begin a career as a professional physicist, working primarily in the context of US missile defense systems with the Space and Missile Defense Command, the Missile Defense Agency, and NASA." However, I have searched extensively for mention of Tom as an alumnus of Purdue University, and despite finding various sites listing famous ones, he's not there. I found a link to the alumnus database of the Uni, but access is restricted. I have emailed to enquire whether it is possible to confirm awards of previous graduates, and will add a reply when I find out more. I do find the description "NASA physicist", and to some degree "nuclear physicist" on the flattering side for someone with a relatively basic degree and no PhD. I also trust sources who report that his involvement with those establishments above was merely advisory "solving problems of risk and vulnerability" on the Aries 1 Program. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindhush So he wasn't a "NASA scientist" in the sense of permanent staff, nor was he apparently advising them on nuclear physics. While he clearly ought to know more about nuclear physics than your average Joe, this position of ex- "professional physicist" does not convey anything like the esteem or trustworthiness one can expect of research physicists or those with lecturing positions, and here is the crucial point: science, including in the area of consciousness, progresses through publication and peer review of research or theoretical papers in the relevant academic journals, and I don't know of anything of that kind from Tom. The excuse about MBT being too multi-disciplinary for that, hence he published in a trade journal, is obvious spin. He can't claim academic credentials and refuse to talk to other academics as an equal. Besides which, I'm a lay person and I can identify word salad when I hear it. It seems pretty plain to me that Tom, like several other "professional" scientists, having failed to finish his doctorate, and having failed to bring in enough money advising governmental departments on how rockets work, found a more lucrative field in Pontificating About Metaphisics, where it doesn't matter a damn what you say as long as people believe it and keep buying the books. Bruce Lipton is another one from the field of biology, but at least he seems to have actually got a doctorate and done some proper work before going over to the Secret side, lecturing to packed houses on things he doesn't understand and selling pseudoscience books like hot cakes. This New Age Scam is worth billions, and they all bolster each other up to sell their happy crappy nonsense, swarming round Hay House like flies. There's another one of Tom on yt supporting Rupert Sheldrake's idiotic rant about the Science Delusion. Sheldrake, who has never found one iota of evidence for his morphic resonance BS, now goes round lecturing (and has written another book) making out it's all science's fault for not being open minded enough to believe dogs know when their owners are coming home or people know when they're being stared at, on the basis of his "research" that wouldn't get him a university degree, it's so poorly designed...and who now hopes to make progress by getting the public to send in their anecdotes of spooky experiences! They're all a bunch of liars and cheats.

[@Ray3645]

So, where did the larger consciousness system come from? Also, is it alive -- or simply a "thing?"

[@twcjr44]

No, I am talking about a meditative state without ego or belief. For most of us the two are the same even if we do not realize it. With effort, they can become quite separate things. Achieving that separation is what I am talking about.

[@twcjr44]

Yes. The IUOC can see the larger pattern of what works and what doesn't over many experience packets and learn from that cumulative feedback. The FWAU gains from the IUOC's learning but is forced to apply that learning by being/choosing within the VR, rather than through intellectual assessment.

[@Etaks89]

When I finally was able to settle the thoughts in my head to where I wasn't prone to the habitual thought patterns I had the sense that time itself reversed, or stopped all together. That at my deepest level, was just being, here and now only. But on the surface level was constant change, identifying with the surface made me feel like time was running out. The difference to me, is like thinking your in the world, but realizing the world is with in you as consciousness. Your thoughts, tom?

[@film4thepeople]

The power of belief has the potential to change the physical environments in which we find ourselves

[@fixeddice1982]

He states around 34:00 that we can't know anything about what is outside of our local (universe) perception and knowledge. Which is true UNLESS the knowledge we obtained came from outside of our perceptible state.

[@rtanidean4931]

Thank you!! Believing in believing has gotten us all into many quagmires. It’s a quest and okay to not know. The indoctrinations, especially with religious dogmas have created much division within the humanity awareness. Yes, we are best when we are in service to others and ourselves. Jaded actions and intentions upon others who may mot resonate with “belief systems” is exactly the opposite of kindness, compassion, empathy, altruism, discernment and wisdom. Most may find their own truth to be quite easy to unveil… It is within. Within. Within. 💚

[@twcjr44]

The IUOC is the result of all the various FWAUs it has played. It is the accumulator of evolutionary progress. It starts out neutral with great potential, jumps into a VR to get experience, then tries to improve the quality of its choices as it cycles through experience packets growing toward becoming love. The FWAU is the experiencer in the VR. It is a chunk of the IUOC making real-time choices in a particular VR that more or less express the quality the IUOC has accumulated thus far.

[@twcjr44]

Yes something like that. But perhaps "born into" fits a little better than "dropped in". It's like this: Sink or swim -- learn by experience -- do the best you can, we are here to help and coach you, and if you have a problem or mess up, that's okay because you will always get another opportunity to try again, and in time you will get better and better at it.

[@jwbaccaro]

Tom, you can "believe" in something and remain open-minded. I believe in a lot of things you talk about, but I don't bind myself to it. I search for Truth, and move forward, always. :)

[@cathyellicottcarver7953]

This is a fabulous video and both brilliant men of science reached the same ultimate conclusion as that made by Jesus 2000 years ago: “Love one another.” ‘Love does make the world go around.”

[@kroeran]

If you have a connection and appreciation for Tom's unique effort and contribution, by logic, you perhaps should trust his decision to give Ted authority over the forum. Learning to submit to authority, even an authority not gently applied, is part of the process of qualifying to be an authority holder yourself, and through this group engagement magnifying the penetrative power of your wisdom. Ted is an important test for you to pass.

[@TheMistaSilly]

Zen Philosopher Allan Watts and Spiritual Teacher Krishnamurti: "there is nothing... absolutely nothing that you can do to improve, transform, or better yourself. If you understand this completely you will realize that there is no such entity as 'you'” Watts: "I could not do any systematic or formal meditation because methodical spiritual disciplines are merely highbrow ways of exalting the ego. Aiming at unselfishness is the most insidious form of selfishness." Hmm..how can i understand this?

[@MichaelSmith420fu]

One ultimately has to have the true constitution to follow their heart. 1 John 2:26-27 ESV / 16 helpful votes I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him. 1 John 4:1 ESV / 12 helpful votes Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

[@rtanidean4931]

Great share. The Christ within. He grand illusion of this realm may be a tricky place. Indoctrination / misdirection and manipulations from puppet masters make observations, discernment and heart-centered awareness a quagmire and may jade viewpoints if not truly under stood with careful perspective. Inner standing of peeling one’s onion and self-corrections are key elements as pieces / fractals of BEingness are realized / real eyes.

[@MichaelSmith420fu]

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[@twcjr44]

It helped me understand the nature of reality and how I could interact with it. I have an occasional use for that ability, but for the most part I don't bother. I can't think of any reason why that ability would be important to raising the quality of one's consciousness.

[@truskoolmusik8171]

Tom Campbell .

[@miao6487]

sorry for my english first... and thanks for your job...maybe i arrived a little bit late so...let me double ask after watching a couple of interviews from 1 year ago also....God a" living entity".... still thinking the same thing?? are "spirits" living entities? Gods and spirits are "clouds" of information or data ? are those "clouds" dead or alive? is the water or the electricity that starts -promote this life? both? .... asking this because i am totally sure , under experience, that the executive branch of the LCS is nothing to do with that God or Gods...maybe they say that... but... not way , they are clouds searching lakes... or rivers..something like that ;) nothing else... at least there should be nothing else... and why is it called "Consciousness" ( which is evident just a tool used for interacting with the information using the data and of course existing and evolving ;) ) to something else that you know "pretty" well after years of experience? that word in english creates a big confusion... "con-ciencia"... that is all...translate spanish ( with science) ;) is a referencial models of experiences for acting on the "game"...The -Net/Web- .....(the hyfa)...electromagnetic / quantum fields-rivers-flowing info plus dark matter if we want to be more trendy hihihi...joking a bit...that is a different thing from Consciousness....the Net is closer that what you means by "LCS" by definition and also have different connections beyond Consciousness and this "gym-structure-planet" (not talking about the brain here, another "limiting" factor) and of course the executive manager is not God..is not a cloud.... this is why here 1 is the precedent of zero.... and there are clouds of info around waiting for the spark coming from the Net to be induced into live... old clouds..new clouds... info waiting for "consciousness carriers" to exchange experiences and arrive in neutral zone "zero" ... not always is like that but often...still chaotic info around ;) ..... we are not zero yet.... did you think about the Consciousness of the stones? they have a lot of information and data inside but zero conscience because they have never ever moved...have not acted or experienced... "act" with science... easy like that...other things...are other things... of course once the information inside the stone becomes activated and extracted placing into a carrier then yes, we can talk about some form of consciousness but this is a different topic..and is not mythology either ;) I really see that Consciousness has much more to do directly with data than information , at least we are adding some ethos-moral to this word..i hope nope.... and information has much more to do directly with what is called "unconsciousness" ( here i would talk about different definitions and electromagnetic fields but is not the place now) .. is not consciousness without movement (related to electricity) ...I really see how the full ( unconsciousness ) management of the information creates the needs of a system of Consciousness... to get the things done, and not the opposite.. i dont see Consciousness as nothing else that the result of the manage whole data from previous experiences into the information system... Maybe it is time to really go deep in what is information and forget a little bit about that simple concept of consciousness.... be Well!

[@Josytt]

Every Christian & Muslim needs to watch this...

[@metaRising]

I'm still confused about the necessity for reincarnation. If I'm the larger consciousness system having a particular experience, what is the necessity for anything I associate with me in particular to be moved into another life? Wouldn't this remove something of the reason to be having experiences as different beings? I understand that life and consciousness enrich the informational content of the universe, so why have reincarnation?

[@Stonezster]

Isn't seeing reality as a simulation or VR a belief? In my experience, belief and faith aren't the same thing. Belief is structured like believing we live in a simulation but faith is the expression of that belief or the outcome of that belief or the action of that belief. For example, If I believe this world is VR then I'll live through faith assuming that is true...

[@omegawolf77]

Also Tom discounts the presence of good and evil in the TOE. These concepts are inherent to our VR, humanity, and rule set and probably beyond. If the goal of our consciousness is love then there needs to be a counter point. If there is only love, there is no love. Also why is "evolving" our consciousness important? What is "growth" and how is this objectively defined? This is not clear by the TOE. It basically says that consciousness is evolving to "improve" itself based on arbitrary criteria. This is decidedly a belief. It is an extension of Darwinism that includes a theory of how consciousness evolved and a belief about its purpose.

[@twcjr44]

The IUOC, once it begins experiencing in a VR of some sort where it must make choices and maintain itself, begins to develop fear, ego, and expectations (among other things) at its core.

[@sonnymery4193]

I find it funny how Tom spends the last 20 minutes explaining how nothing can be perfect and infinite, then Dona sums up the interview saying: Thank you Tom for your explanation of how the consciousness model works, it was PERFECT! oh i mean, it was excellent"

[@kroeran]

I believe here you are expressing the foundation of the Campbell Protocol, which is an empirical attitude and fact based approach to so called spirituality. Belief is the enemy. Doubt must be removed by experience and data, not a self referential belief loop. Time and experience tests all hypotheses. Interactive cooperation is power. Great openness and great skepticism applied against any hypothesis, accepting hypothesis as highly likely to be true, reluctantly, accepting that much is unknown.

[@kroeran]

I think God is the word we use for "there is more to this than meets the eye". Tom reframes God as one membrane of consciousness with a manifold or wave shape, and each soul is a bump or wave on God's membrane or sheet, and each person is a material avatar incarnated to this virtual reality to have experiences and learn, initially to experience individuation or separateness, later to experience oneness or sheetness, becoming love.

[@twcjr44]

There was informal primal time from the beginning it comes with the assumption that AUO could differentiate between a this way and that way state (requiring change, which requires time, but not a regular uniform time). Regular time, a constant delta-t, was invented much later to facilitate sequencing (another entropy reducer) and eventually was used to drive dynamic simulations (virtual realities)

[@twcjr44]

It can be either way and anything in between. It depends on the individual and the social context he/she finds himself/herself in. The point is that the social context is not that important as long as it will support the existence of a being of love. Some social contexts may be more or less challenging or supportive of an individual becoming love. Thus individuals at various levels of consciousness quality can find environments that offer the appropriate challenge to optimize their next step

[@twcjr44]

Yes, sort of... There are no required courses. There is required learning. Any way you can learn what you have to learn is fine. Because taking courses that are either too hard or too easy is a waste of time, there is a very large selection of courses available to suite everyone's particular talents, capabilities, and needs.

[@AravahStar]

Liked! Great topic, great questions. She's my favorite interviewer. Her voice is...'perfect' lol I found you while in the process of conversion to Judaism after hearing an orthodox rabbi giving a talk about the double slit experiment. I had a total turn around, but I still appreciate the perspectives learned while deeply plunged into religion from birth. I see now that religion isn't necessary & even negative/separating in many, maybe most aspects. Growing in love rather than belief is ideal.

[@twcjr44]

No way to know for sure where we (or the LCS for that matter) are (what level we are a part of) within the larger fractal pattern, but my best guess would be that, in any case, it is the product of "a "a team of seasoned VR engineers".

[@MichaelSmith420fu]

The biggest reason I believe in something greater than myself is because I didn't produce myself or this beautiful mind or body or my family's or this environment with fruits and such possibility for us all. I also know my faults and I'm glad the system works such that Im not In charge. I don't remember what came before, I fight the good fight, and I trust that the good will find it's way when I die. Faith is a HUGE part of life. I'll even go as far as saying faith in Jesus (who was the greatest dude ever) is extra powerful. I've had my struggles with believing this and admit to my ups and downs. That's how you grow. Gotta just read the Bible at a personal level and get rid of the stereotypes cuz there's a bunch of stuff there that is good. I actually did experience something from the holy Spirit that totally turned this reality upside down.

[@rtanidean4931]

Btw Michael, I experienced the same as you typed in your comment. Stay strong Michael. Much to learn and continue to grow and help others best we can along the way as we correct within.

[@MichaelSmith420fu]

@@rtanidean4931 thanks for all the kind words.. I wish I had something nice to say back 🙂

[@MichaelSmith420fu]

@@rtanidean4931 it's super sobering to hear these things and I appreciate it

[@PixieChix14]

Be open minded. Remember having faith and beliefs isn't wrong. Just be open to knew things. That's his point. He's not enforcing anything on anyone nor is he speaking in circles. He makes sense when he speaks and he's well educated. People seem to just be afraid of reality. Meditate and get into spirituality and I promise you'll understand. It's okay to have faith and believe in whatever you want. Just stay open minded.

[@VossaBygde]

I agree totally! We gotta stay open minded.

[@1960taylor]

Sabrina Dos Santos faith is nonsense. There is either knowing or not knowing. When you admit you don't know you begin to seek your OWN answers. When Tom dies he will be forgotten in 3 days...Christ remains the most significant person to have ever lived. I guess he was a good avitar...lmao.

[@trekpac2]

+ᄎMVTCHXS.ᄎ Well said. Thanks.

[@twcjr44]

Belief is always a problem -- it blinds one to the truth. If these people were open minded and skeptical, their errors would have quickly become obvious. Getting rid of fear and the ego and belief it generates is always the fundamental solution to problems of immorality. Motivation or intent based on fear, ego, belief, and expectation generally leads to dysfunctional behavior. Belief in your goodness is not relevant to moral value. One's intent, at the being level, expresses one's quality.

[@twcjr44]

I do explain all that very clearly in the books (which are free on Google Books) and in some of the videos. This YT format requires my answer to be less than 500 characters and spaces. What you need explained (almost everything in MBT) is very much larger than that.

[@roymerritt6992]

Tom to further elaborate on my last question. I'm 64 and grew up on a farm in NC. I had seven siblings and my father was a drunk, we had no plumbing and our life was abject poverty and hard work. I grew up and my adult life has been no great shakes although I've never been a wretched person or a criminal and even though married to a wonderful woman we have struggled and suffered mightily because of the failings of some family members who are irresponsible. What have I learned?

[@black_squall]

thanks for this talk Tom. I'm only through the first 7-8 minutes and you are talking about a subject I've wrestled with a lot. I too have came to the same conclusion that you have, and it feels really good to hear you say it.

[@godsgracenaka247]

Grateful to you both, just found you now

[@twcjr44]

When a beginning IUOC "enters" a VR, it exists in that VR as an individual, and thus is separate from "all other than self". The IUOC must maintain and evolve itself, within the VR. In the VR, the IUOC must deal with "other" by making choices. Initially the choices tend to be rather self centered and self focused (at that point, with no previous experience in VRs, the self is all the IUOC knows, trusts, or understands). Needless to say, the IUOC gets feedback appropriate to the choices made.

[@markovull]

Re, belief: Dear Dr. Campbell, you say belief is not positive, but what if that belief is that we are individual units of consciousness in a greater consciousness system and we evolve individually over many incarnations in this and other virtual reality sub-systems by lowering our entropy through love (manifested through empathy and collaboration) and that the opposite of love is fear (manifested through selfishness and competition), which increases our entropy and causes us to de-evolve? Is that belief okay?

[@adrianciu]

If you can prove that what Tom says is a belief (meaning blind faith and not healthy verifiable result of personal research and experience that others can duplicate) then you're right in debating what he says. The interesting stuff is going the way he says he went and getting the enlightenment, as appears to be the case and he encourages everybody to do it. I meditate and try to get closer to evolve as he prompts one to do so I wish to absorb (and hopefully be able to create as well) knowledge from all sources starting with him, knowledge about how to efficiently evolve and open my mind and soul. In conclusion if what he says is verifiable, even only individually, then the WORLD is open to you! If not, then find ways to intelligently 'debunk' him!

[@twcjr44]

To M Pullen: No, that belief is not OK... you may believe it is true or you may believe it is not true, either way, you are left with nothing significant. You missed the point entirely. Belief is the problem. Open-minded skepticism is the solution to that problem.

[@lettersquash]

Tom Campbell Ha ha. Open-minded skepticism. You people. I wonder if you should have corrected M Pullen's belief that you're a "Dr". At least that would have meant something. Adrian Ciubotariu *healthy verifiable result of personal research and experience that others can duplicate* - this is not a good method for working out what is and isn't true. One religious sect can do their meditation and "find" particular "truths", which they report to others in the sect - the novices - who repeat the process and find the same. Another sect can be "finding" a bunch of completely contradictory "truth" in their meditation. A vast number of cultures have existed that "find" contradictory "truths". The problems are imagination and cognitive bias. Empirical scientific enquiry aims to remove imagination (hallucinations) and bias (wishful thinking, etc.) by measuring actual phenomena. Proper scientists do that in peer-reviewed journals. Tom just sells books to the public telling them lies they want to believe, then confuses them and keeps them coming back for more by telling them not to believe anything. It's a classic fakir trick from ancient India. You're being fed New-Age sewage.

[@BetterDoYourHomeWork]

+Tom Campbell I love your videos. But I still question the issue of faith. I have seen religion really work in people's lives. If a person renders Jesus into their "reality", and it changes their life - Is it "real"? I often feel like everything is a giant paradox.

[@nmbokn8593]

I think you have to break that down a little further: "render Jesus into their reality" what does that mean? Do you mean they pretend Jesus is helping them? To me faith means "let's pretend". Was it Jesus that changed their life or something within that person that kicked in and changed that person, when they thought/pretended Jesus was doing it?

[@pamfiloabionjr4529]

I love this guy…thank you for this helpful message ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@creativity5002]

A great mind and a very intriguing talk Thank you Dr.campbell

[@twcjr44]

The PMR avatar "pilot" is an IUOC that, like all IUOCs, operates on an intellectual level and a being level. The being level represents the truth at the core of the IUOC while the intellectual level represents what the IUOC has convinced itself is true. If the IUOC has fear, ego, belief, and expectations, then the apparent "truth" found at being level and the intellectual level may be very different. If no fear, etc., then the two are the same. A fearful IUOC may be unaware of its being level.

[@kroeran]

Addressing the secondary points, Tom's solution to the egofest and pomp and circumstance of organized spiritual disciplines is be alone with your mind, but do it in a comfy chair in your rec room, or while sitting in the subway. I think we have reframe applied selflessness as rather cooperative interaction. Its not you trying to be selfless, its rather you trying to be cooperative, and as a feedback harvester, its just a more intelligent form of sociopathology.

[@trekpac2]

Thanks Tom for a thoughtful approach. I listened with open-minded scepticism. Some dogma about what you think all religion is, but you also do a good job of offering wise perspectives. I find some Christians, many Buddhists and so on to be open-minded sceptics, viewing much with probability as you do. But we all have different levels of understanding. Many find much value in their faith and I have to trust it is good for them. Perhaps there also is truth in 'if you can't be happy, at least you can be a philosopher'.

[@rabidashlewis7101]

Lol thanks! I appreciated your use of it as it kept things running smoothly so I tried to do to the same. Thanks truwins! I wish you the same happiness in life, as well as the great day!

[@abbiebeast]

Wow from 41:50+ he tries so hard not to say God, but means the same.... yes he is not an old dude sitting in a white clousd sruming a harp doubting Thomis WE ALL KNOW THAT

[@twcjr44]

By logical process. It is all in the books. The books are free at Google books. The KZbin video :"Calgary Workshop" on my YT channel gives a good summary.

[@kroeran]

The key thing here is your general attitude to your local economy, and if you have become defeatist. If your belief regarding billionaires does not interfere with your own motivation and relationship to your craft, then its just conversation. Paraphrasing Tom...."Billionaires, like the rest of us, are trying to get as much as they can for as little effort as possible, and we are pissed that they are so much better at it than we are!".

[@Lovechaosmovie]

I once heard Eckart Tolle say (not his exact words) he learned to go into a state of indescribable peace and bliss, I believe this was a meditative state he was talking about. I heard Tom say that getting to a place of point consciousness is a very pleasurable experience. I wonder if they are both describing the same thing . What I dont understand is thousands of people meditate and most all benefit from it but very few describe they get to a place like Tom and Eckart describe. Any thoughts?

[@TheMistaSilly]

Timothy Leary said in his book "Evolutionary agents": "All suffering is caused by being in the wrong place. If you're unhappy where you are, Move!" How serious can i take this statement in a spiritual sense? On the one hand, if an IUOC is under environmental pressure, it has the free will to chose another environment, on the other hand shouldn´t an IUOC learn to get along with its surrounding (the boss,job,town)Generally, Is ´moving´ from A-B a PMR metaphor for changing states of consciousness?

[@jananicole2319]

Thanks, Tom. I think what you share is immeasurably valuable.

[@stuntdickbob]

To have better control over ur emotions, pay closer attention to ur thoughts&feelings as they occur - especially when u'r in situations that tend to frustrate, aggravate or make u sad. Emotions come from feelings & feelings come from thoughts - that's how the energy flows. Energy always takes the path of least resistance. U can always quite a feeling u don't like w/ better thoughts - or - u can reinforce the feeling w/ more thoughts that support it - the choice is yours. U can control the flow.

[@stuntdickbob]

In a spiritual sense, in order to move, all you ever have to do is change your mind - so, yeah. Suffering is the result of a conflicted mind - resolve the conflict & no more suffering. Easier said than done b/c what it's going to take for you to be willing to change your mind about anything & everything you're conflicted about usually tends to vary. Always do what you think & feel will ensure a particular conflict will be resolved for good w/o creating more conflict for yourself in the process.

[@twcjr44]

Perhaps, the evolution of consciousness quality can take that path, but that path is not required, nor is it optimal. However in our PMR, because of the ubiquity of fear and ego, this is a very common path.

[@ren7ee]

He seems to leave 'love' out of his equations. He said our loved ones go on and forget about those they loved in this world and aren't reunited in the afterlife or come back to this world together. Others, like Rich Martini, say otherwise. We have soul groups that we're connected to according to him, and are reunited with loved ones.

[@rojinhas8184]

He does state that it is possible to reincarnate with individuals you work well with (low entropy) though it is not as common.

[@didilv2187]

I am so disappointed that this event was not listed at MTB events, i live in Atlanta, i am so sad i have missed the chance to catch this. is there another way to follow your upcoming schedule mr campbell?

[@twcjr44]

Not in the classical way. But if you want "heaven' to be a metaphor for living or being in a state of grace, then we are manifesting or moving toward this metaphorical heaven as we become love no matter what sort of VR or environment we are engaged in.

[@brendaslittledogs1724]

Tom Campbell as we become more reflective of Divine live through God the only Love. We are not Love but we reflect Love.

[@kroeran]

There is that Buddhist story of the street begger who insults everyone walking by, including the people who put a coin in his cup. He goes on a long journey, has many adventures, but in the end, returns to the same street corner, however, each person he interacts with is somehow lifted up, perhaps even simply from the quality of his expression and eye contact. I suspect Campbell would say IOUCs eventually go on to system management or VR engineering.

[@twcjr44]

No, it primarily evolves around the quality of personal choice.

[@kroeran]

Tom likely would say improve yourself as much as possible, that's the key lever we actually have influence over. More directly, I think people underestimate the value of getting involved in local politics and investing in getting the right people at the decision tables or being at the table yourself.

[@stuntdickbob]

Nothing is often mistaken for something & something is often mistaken for nothing - that's what duality tends to do to the mind. Convincing yourself that your mind is holy takes time b/c the idea can so easily be misinterpreted to mean something it doesn't. You either think your mind is whole - or - full of holes & since you can't really fool yourself about which you truly think&feel is real&true that's what you're bound to XPerience. Mind always tries to give you the XP you're truly asking for.

[@Lovechaosmovie]

"Once u learn to master the feeling, u will no longer want to call it by fear's name." That last line was interesting to me can you explain it in another way?

[@twcjr44]

Jeeze! I have answered that question in detail at least a hundred times, don't be afraid to look around. :-) Short answers: becoming absolute love is like approaching absolute zero or the speed of light -- the approach is asymptotically -- The system is still evolving (open ended), there is no final destination in evolution. There is always something else to do, like helping others.

[@stuntdickbob]

We're here to learn that we're WHOLE=HOLY, not full of holes that need to be filled - not separate&apart from what we truly are - not split into many different pieces & scattered all around. Loving others is how u learn that u are LOVE b/c u can't give what u don't have. Itz not about the physical, itz XPd thru the physical. Thatz how itz known=meaning&value. Giving&Receiving are one&the same - they happen at the same time. U always keep the thoughts u give - by giving awareness is received.

[@hermenutic]

my mind has expanded and my suspicions confirmed regarding heaven, faith and Christ as a result of this explanation given by Mr. Campbell. I can see how the Christian idea of living and moving and having being in God as an explanation of the operation relationships of the kingdom of heaven which is in you. If the kingdom of heaven is in you as Jesus insisted then this makes a lot of sense in Christian terms. God and heaven are symbols we use to express what we feel is really true.

[@jankjason]

People who have had NDE's explained heaven as "home" and god as "the source".

[@kroeran]

To continue with the mental focus thing...it seems that mental focus is key to controlling lucid dreaming, and that this is not only a metaphor for non-physical interaction (OBE-NDE-DE), it is also the reality of our physical VR, its just that few try Campbellian focused intent, few are good at it, and the results are slower than in a lucid dream or the non-physical. Hence the importance of meditation, or as I prefer to call it, Intentional Brainwave Modification (IBM).

[@kroeran]

So, there are these X number of types of challenging experiences you have to clock, like required courses for a diploma, and a very low entropy person could be playing almost any role in society, and will likely have to experience most of them, and pass each one or repeat?

[@Kawotsatutlaka144000]

.. additionally I would like to share what I intend to do with the below mentioned realization. I will watch the symbolism more carefully as what it is - symbolism. Our words are symbols we use to process what our senses or mind is aware of. Therefore I accept MBT "dogma" for lack of a better word with the awareness, that I can and should modify the symbols as they suit me best on my way of learning/teaching. Learning is why we are here - and I also want to confirm validity of this to myself.

[@mrirondance]

Belief is not a strategy for dealing with fear ... Belief is the foundation that fear is built upon . Fear is the opposite of Love . All emotions are byproducts of one or the other as are the outcomes they produce .

[@kroeran]

Indeed there there is a thread of thought in MBTOE that beyond PSI there is an appreciation for the value of the PMR that we are temporally resident in, and I simply don't feel motivated to follow the exercises. I am more into what we are doing right now, working out the mental mapping stuff. So I see you are a natural teacher. Have you ever tried out the MBTOE forum?

[@stuntdickbob]

My own game is just fine - I always have everything I need. It's what I perceive going on in the world on a daily basis that makes me question who's in charge & how well the situation is being handled by those w/ the power to actually do something about it. There's no question there are a few taking advantage of their positions. The question is... what should be done about it?

[@stuntdickbob]

The only problem is not always seeing yourself in the best possible light & then not forgiving yourself whenever you happen to forget. Ego attempts to play both sides & then pits them against each other to always keep conflict present in your mind. You can't server two masters. You can't always rely on how others see & XP you, but you can always rely on the fact that you're already LOVE & only ego can ever perceive anything else about you. Ego always tries to make something out of nothing.