Tom E. Curran says Bill Belichick WASN'T happy about the Dynasty series being filmed!

Tom E. Curran joins Jones and Mego to discuss the new documentary series "Dynasty."
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[@strategic1710]

I don’t know why both guys couldn’t just acknowledge that they were great independently, but together they were lightning in a bottle. They each needed the other to achieve the level of success they did.

[@chanorando]

@strategic1710 I agree to a point, but only one of them was a Narcissistic detriment to the team.

[@strategic1710]

@@chanorando agreed. Bill made some really bad decisions. You can forgive the drafting. The two I hate though are letting his relationship with Brady get so bad that he left, and benching butler. They should have another sb and Brady should have ended his career here. If they never played together though they would probably have 2-3 fewer.

[@chanorando]

@@strategic1710 Totally agree

[@jeddacath]

2017 change. That’s main point. Bill changed in 2017. As if he was just trying to prove he could win with any QB. Decimated the offense staff and players over the next 6 years all out of spite and arrogance

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Kraft forced the Jimmy g trade

[@Lord_Clarke]

@michaelcorcoran8768 and he was a genius for doing that because if we moved on from Brady for Jimmy G we would've been f**ked

[@kenday7942]

I think ‘The Dynasty’ falls short of being a true documentary. OK, so they did not edit individual interviews (ostensibly) but they left other interviews in their entirety. And why did they spend a whole episode about Aaron Hernandez!? Truly a tragedy, but it had little to do with the building or sustaining of the dynasty. Again, it falls short of being a legit ‘documentary’ albeit an interesting and entertaining presentation.

[@timlanglois2279]

It's heavily edited. I wonder if Curran will say anything now that so many players have come out against it.

[@MartinHMyers]

I don't blame Bill. Total hit job! Saint Tom and Bad Billy! No Belichick, no Dynasty!

[@stanleywalus9771]

This is a RK hit piece, the man walked out the door and he can,t wait to throw dirt on a copffin. I read the book and it did not seem so harsh.

[@JMartComedy]

Please Grab MH Jr. He is the best player in the draft!

[@googlechicken]

I don’t blame for being mad ,it’s a hit piece on him

[@razorbeard6970]

It wasn't a hit piece on him so much as he couldn't control the narrative on it and he was going down as it was being made.

[@googlechicken]

@@razorbeard6970 if is revisionist history bullshit

[@DGander007]

I just watched episode 1 and it gives you the impression that without Bill, there would have been no Brady. It made it seem like he was the only one going with Brady on the decision who should be the starter. I wouldn’t call that a hit piece so far…… he truly set the path of the Pats to be a “Dynasty”.

[@stanleywalus9771]

Everbody likes freedom as long as you are winning. If losing continues that is when you find who likes that freedom. Who finger points and do they have leader who steps forward and deflects the criticism. One REAL attribute BB had-protecting players and coaches.

[@nikhilmalik62]

The reverse can be said. Any workplace survives draconian policies and overwork assuming glory of shared success. As soon as that goes away, draconian leadership practices and unilateral decision making comes under massive scrutiny.

[@stanleywalus9771]

@@nikhilmalik62 what happens when the inmates are running the asylum. When you have 53 employees-what percentage do not want to do the work.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Why did he participate? Probably a boatload of cash

[@Lord_Clarke]

I like Curran but he's wrong the Patriots don't need to be looking for another Brady, if you go looking for another Brady you'll be looking forever. What they need right now is another Drew Bledsoe or a Jordan Love someone whose good enough to help you compete so they can put the necessary pieces around them to win at least one SB and contend for many more. The Patriots will most likely never get another Qb who could win with average to below average weapons on offense. If Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye is available and the staff believes with the right tools around them they can have a All Pro caliber career then you draft them. The team should've did the right thing and bottomed out for Caleb but that's a discussion for another day.

[@HarrisonPray]

Can you tell Tom Curran that there was NOT a foundation when cj stroud got there. No offense to Texans fans but I had no idea who Nico Collins, tank dell was until stroud got there. Stop it

[@Whammo77]

Why put this on Apple TV? Who the heck even has that??? I'm not purchasing yet ANOTHER subscription to yet ANOTHER streaming service to watch it, even though I'd love to see it. I'm so wore out on the whole "Subscribe to this, that and the other 50 services" to see what you want...

[@Gianna_Michaels]

Bring back cable

[@diegomagellan]

Cable is coming back

[@md.mohaiminulislam9618]

It's kinda one sided. There won't be a Jerry Krause level slander but still slander towards the end.

[@gf4670]

Well I can see why Belichick would be bothered with the documentary because the mere existence of it, along with the book, is just another major indicator that the dynasty is OVER. And for a coach/GM that basically means that they failed, and after two decades of unprecedented success that's hard to swallow. I mean players get old and retire, that's just understood, and the owner is around as long as they feel like, but the coach is something different. And BB always prided himself on being ahead of Father Time and getting rid of guys early and plugging the hole and soldiering on and keeping the dynasty going. And he just couldn't do it anymore. He succeeded for 20 years and then he failed, and as an active coach and GM at the time trying to right the ship just having the documentary exist is like a bullhorn going "HEY, YOU FINALLY FAILED!" And BB ain't at the point in his life yet where he's going to sit back and just revel in the success and the good memories.

[@googlechicken]

The documentary is basically a hit piece on Bill and an attempt to smear him and make it look like Kraft was the architect of everything. Notice how he says “ we had some tough decisions to make with Drew loosing his job to Brady but when it came to Brady leaving, it was “ that was Bills decision “ this is not a story of the Dynasty it’s a propaganda piece orchestrated by the Krafts.I can’t believe the level of revisionist history that goes on with Belichick. All I heard for Twenty years was “The Patriot Way” and Bill plays chess while the others are playing checkers”Bill always gets rid of guys a year early instead of a year late. now after six championships it’s Bill can’t draft and the games passed him by. And it was all Brady. In five years when the team still sucks and Kraft wants to have him in to make a big spectacle of putting him in the Pats hall of fame and try’s to take credit for that too, Belichick tells him to go fuck himself.

[@razorbeard6970]

​@@googlechicken To be clear: Belichick would have lost out and never got another head coaching job in 2001 if not for Brady coming in and doing such a good job as backup. With that success gave him more leverage that he used brilliantly for as long as he could as the Head Coach and GM....who Kraft went out on a limb and had to give up a high draft pick to acquire after what happened with the Jets. His success ran out and it was largely his own doing. Kraft let him phase himself out in many ways. The fact it was a dynasty at all is something Belichick can be proud of but it did not end on a good note and that's partially his own fault.

[@garysaint-laurent6524]

As far as I am concerned, there is a simple answer to "was it Brady or Belichick?" It was both - and here's why - without Belichick, there IS no Brady. What every teammate, every coach, every fan, and every writer wanted when Bledsoe got healthy in "01 was Bledsoe! Bill chose Brady. Then he developed Brady. Then he coached them to 3 wins in 4 years. Hey Bills & Cowboys - when you got Bledsoe - how'd that work out for you? Bill's personality is his downfall, but saying he wasn't a great coach is just nonsense, and revisionist history.

[@pauljones33]

BB never lied about his coaching methods and his personality and most players who played there would say that. TB being drafted by a different team could have turn out bad or great in which we will never know because TB was surrounded by good OLs. Had TB12 been in a team with bad OLs and mediocre to good coaching, TB will probably be like Drew who waa a badly beaten dog physically and mentally.

[@ianross806]

Lombardi-Starr, Noll-Bradshaw, Walsh-Montana, Reid-Mahomes.

[@gf4670]

@@pauljones33 Well yeah, it's like Curran was saying how that '00 team was actually pretty good, especially since it had a lot of the '97 SB team veterans on it who were still in their primes. That's sort of the not-so-secret secret to the whole thing: be a pretty decent team already with a somewhat stable coaching situation and another veteran option to start at QB that first year. And that's the problem with most really crappy teams is that everyone involved wants INSTANT results.

[@davis2k1234]

Belichick is Steve Spagunlo is Brady didn’t fall in his lap in 6th RD a great career Defensive Coordinator but he wasn’t a good head coach look at his coaching tree which is very common with a lot of Coordinators

[@pauljones33]

@@davis2k1234 if he wasn’t a good coach then he must’ve been bad teaching and developing TB12. TB12 was drafted 166th overall for a reason. He wasn’t a finished product. It took a lot of hard work and learning for TB12 to get to where he was and he was surrounded by HC and staff to teach him fundamentals and mechanics as well as read defenses. Also a lot of watching tapes from BB.

[@Gorilla.Guitar]

Of course Bill's not gonna be happy about the experience going public in detail. He's the antagonist in this story. his legacy stands to to potentially suffer the most. His demeanor & level of contempt for any human being within his line of vision will make him a convenient target for the public villification that is sure to present itself when somebody needs to be charged with breaking up *the Dynasty* Bill knows he's going to be in the cross hairs. We could debate & go deep for hours discussing human nature, ego's, money, success & championships & how it all affects & justifies. I'm just gonna throw this out here and leave it to digest. Out of all the characters involved in the fascinating story this is, one person's involvement/removal from the story affects the outcome the most. without him the outcome of the story looks far different & far less collective. Understand this ; i'm not giving Bill all the credit nor am i discrediting in anyway any of the other necessary playeres in this story. I'm merely hoping that those who have the ability to think & realize will, instead of jumping on some "Big Bad Bill" bandwagon.

[@pattygogo56]

Grumpy man

[@ashleylouchin2089]

Patriots fans for the next decade your going to feel what rest of the league is like.....I think bill should have never started brady over bledsoe so this fanbase can feel the pain of losing every year....The Boston media and fans so no respect for a coach who gave everything he got..... Bob kraft is one of the cheapest owners , and some of the non talented players who belonged on he practice squad got a chance to shine and win super bowls..

[@Gianna_Michaels]

That’s just how Boston is buddy, not for everybody

[@cateyesjeff6407]

Boring 💤

[@YoshiMaeshiro]

If nothing else, this is going to close Belichick's head coaching career for good. Ironically, a guy whose reputation was based on his culture-creating capacities ended his career exposed as a lousy leader whose lack of social skills constantly created toxic environments and division amongst the troops.

[@lilruse]

You do realize no other coach has approached his level of success- EVER- right? How have the fans forgotten so quickly…

[@lilruse]

If anything he kept the band together for 15+ years without any real drama. Such a nasty, uncharitable revisionist history to say he “constantly created a toxic environment amongst the troops”.

[@daneaton8567]

@@lilruse it was 80% Tom, 20% Bill as the greatest defensive coordinator of all time

[@21hoboman]

@@daneaton8567 what was 80% Tom ? Belichick coached the team, acquired all the talent, pretty much every season lead a top 5 defense from scraps. Let’s not rewrite history here because you have a hard on for Brady

[@chadbinette3201]

@21hoboman ty law, Willie mcginest, Rodney Harrison, heightower, Chandler Jones, mccourty, Stephon Gilmore, and on and on are far from scraps. Laws a HOFer, Rodney should be, mcginest is the all time playoff sacks leader, pro bowls all over and a defensive player of the year. Defense never had a lack of talent.

[@jeffthehuskyguy]

Is this the final nail in the coffin for Belichick's coaching career ...? Definitely not flattering for him especially for the final last 6 years.

[@ramseykerkula7758]

Delusional this whole thing is put to rest without Bill's controversial decisions there would be no Tom Brady to talk about. No one was giving the reign to a 199th pick. For Bill to decipher that and find out what helped each player on the TEAM collectively play better is what started the dynasty. You can say oh his browns era etc. not one good HC has ever won a Superbowl without a generational talented QB get over it. Tom got better as the defense and OL gave him time to throw and learn. It was BB defense and Adam Vinetari helped him get his footing. He was already there as a competitor but he was not a perfect or anywhere close to a perfect QB and that took coaching from Bill Belichick! Tired of seeing this tired ass assessment. They both needed each other.

[@geminijim6655]

@@ramseykerkula7758 dude bill gave the reigns it brady because they were winning and if that changed he would be fired. he was terrible before brady took over, and that was with the pro bowler drew Bledsoe and he was the highest payed quarterback at the time.

[@ramseykerkula7758]

@@geminijim6655 Bledsoe was hot ass. Dude was like Jared Goff on the rams. Hiding from hits before it even came to him. We don't live in a fantasy world we live in a world of facts not what ifs. If you play the what if game it goes down into a rabbit hole of what if craft didn't buy the team. What if Tom Brady never got drafted. What if Belichick never signed with the Patriots. What if Bill never drafted Brady. What if Bill was never given a gm role who would have drafted Brady? You see how idiotic that argument is. Name one star QB that won anything without a good head coach or gm... And vice versa... You can't because it's a TEAM Sport

[@geminijim6655]

@@ramseykerkula7758 Tom won with and without Belichick. Belichick was a terrible coach with a laughable record without Brady. What the hell are you talking about, its black and white no hypotheticals necessary. Belichick had his house up for sale when Bledsoe was hurt. They were shit then they won the super bowl with the worst receivers and tight-ends in the league. When Brady had Moss for one season he demolished almost every single season record, Manning needed his super team in Denver to break them. Give me a break for his first year starting he did better than any quarterback to that point, especially with the crap he had to throw to. Brady has repeated the results in a different place, coach, team and method. Belichick has never done that.

[@ramseykerkula7758]

@@geminijim6655 let's not pretend like Adam Vinetari and the defense didn't win those first 3 Superbowls kid. Brady won with Bruce Ariens a great head coach and a great QB duo once again wins championships.... Stack offense before Brady arrived and defense but sure discredit everyone else in the situation. There's a reason football is the ultimate T. E. A. M sport and majority football players disagree with that none athlete computer expert take.. this isn't a fantasy world.

[@chanorando]

Good. Guess he doesn't like the truth! I'm way late to this party but Belichick should never again be trusted with a HC position. He's borderline megalomaniacal, and a cancer in any position of authority. I would hire him as a DC with very minimal authority only. He's also a HUGE hypocrite. He expects EVERYONE ELSE to be accountable and team driven so, WHY ISN'T HE??!! It's abundantly clear that Belichick is a brilliant Narcissist. He's the best defensive and tactical mind the game has ever seen, but he has NO respect for offense and offensive players, and NO respect for the Owner that employs him. He has repeatedly undermined what was best for the team while claiming otherwise. Sitting Malcolm Butler in SB 52 threw ALL Players under the Bus! How was that best for the TEAM?! Players are human and all different. It's a HC duty to manage personalities and CREATE an atmosphere of SUCCESS for overall TEAM benefit! Ruining the starting QB consciously or unconsciously because he isn't "your guy" is Textbook NARCISSISM and absolutely NOT what is “BEST” for the TEAM! Belichick does what is best for his EGO! He may have cut his football teeth under Navy Athletics, and he may THINK he runs a team modeled on the military, but he does NOT! He FORGOT that EVERY serviceman swears an oath and is accountable to a higher authority! The Admiral or General, may not agree with or even respect The President, but it's their duty to their country to follow orders and to NEVER undermine or subvert “The Boss” or the MEN under their command. Belichick repeatedly undermined and subverted Kraft and the players. IMO, players were willing to endure the "Belichick Way" because they believed TB12 ensured a legitimate SB shot year after year. Yes, the defenses were equally important to the repeated success, but The GOAT was the GLUE that held it all together. When the glue dissolved, it unsurprisingly fell apart.

[@ramseykerkula7758]

It obviously worked .. 20 years 6 super bowls.. what clowns yall dont appreciate what you need in this league. Everyone is Delusional this whole thing is put to rest without Bill's controversial decisions there would be no Tom Brady to talk about. No one was giving the reign to a 199th pick. For Bill to decipher that and find out what helped each player on the TEAM collectively play better is what started the dynasty. You can say oh his browns era etc. not one good HC has ever won a Superbowl without a generational talented QB get over it. Tom got better as the defense and OL gave him time to grow and learn. It was BB defense and Adam Vinetari helped him get his footing. He was already there as a competitor but he was not a perfect or anywhere close to a perfect QB and that took coaching from Bill Belichick! Tired of seeing this tired ass assessment. They both needed each other. Yall take the players words and quote them incorrectly... Yes emotions go into but they 100% believe that B.B is needed just as much as TB12 for THE DYNASTY to start. They hated it from time to time but when your WINNING you get over it. Bill as an very od man now its hard to be the same person you were 20 years ago... It happens to EVERYONE in this world its time for a new start it just happens.

[@ashleylouchin2089]

you are absolutely right, the only coach who give non talented players starting positions ....

[@ramseykerkula7758]

@@ashleylouchin2089 and it worked out countless times those players made plays in the biggest moments You give credit where it due. That's why B.B hates talking to fans and media y'all give no respect to him. Without him there is no Brady, no dynasty and you wouldn't be a patriot fan

[@geminijim6655]

@@ramseykerkula7758 without brady, belichick would have been fired period. Belichick without brady is garbage; not below average not bad, he is terrible.

[@ramseykerkula7758]

@@geminijim6655 there's no without. The history exists it's a lazy argument. Would have, could have, should have. Without Belichick Brady was never going to see the fields and there would be no Superbowls same logic. Lmao

[@thomasdemille7375]

exactly... Tom Brady was not carrying any team to a superbowl win in his first years in the league.. he executed well under pressure, but all he was doing was throwing screen passes and check-downs.. he wasn't the GOAT in his first 4,5,6 years in the league.. Bill carried Tom to his first couple superbowls.. Bill and the team

[@thekid3375]

You had the greatest QB and coach combo for 2 decades but this organization took away the importance of a QB and coach combo in Vegas? WTF is going on in Patriot Place

[@kenday7942]

I think ‘The Dynasty’ falls short of being a true documentary. OK, so they did not edit individual interviews (ostensibly) but they left other interviews in their entirety. And why did they spend a whole episode about Aaron Hernandez!? Truly a tragedy, but it had little to do with the building or sustaining of the dynasty. Again, it falls short of being a legit ‘documentary’ albeit an interesting and entertaining presentation.