TOM HOLLAND WAS PHENOMENAL IN *SPIDERMAN: HOMECOMING*!!

[@thegunman2841]

Tom was bit by the Spider, as he says in later movies. However, just like Andrew's Spider-man, he did not get insta-web powers. Just strength, sense, and speed.

[@AdalHRivera]

The natural webbing I think is exclusive to Tobey's Spider-Man

[@kaenopianciennechaine9226]

Yeah, and the fact Tobey's didn't use tech to shoot webs was a controversial choice by Raimi at the time right? Because in the comics, Peter Parker always used tech he created himself I believe

[@thegunman2841]

@@AdalHRivera yes it is.

[@shreyanshpranshuchauhan5991]

Has she seen Amazing spider man movies?

[@jm329]

@@kaenopianciennechaine9226 Well, he did get organic webs in the comics as well.

[@Beltzer0072]

According to Tom Holland, Michael Keaton would often say to him on the set "I'm Batman"

[@gregpeacock5497]

I remember back in the day when it was announced that Michael Keaton was cast to play Batman. There was a lot of uproar over it as he was mostly known for comedic movies, which he excelled at. I was taken aback as well, but thrilled to be proven wrong as he did the role justice.

[@michaelccozens]

To be fair, if I had the right to say that, I'm not sure I'd ever say anything else.

[@moviescatsmargs]

The Vulture reveal as Liz's dad was one of the best twists Marvel ever pulled off. I remember seeing the movie in theaters and everyone collectively gasping!

[@wilder11]

Totally. It's a great twist, and you really don't see it coming. By the time you have a sense of SOMETHING coming, it's too late. XD

[@Karlebow571]

That was moments Peter meets The Batman

[@peregrine5327]

And it leads us to the car scene, which IMHO, is the most singularly tense scene in the entire MCU and masterfully done.

[@heartlyartsak8661]

If liz was white everyone would predict it

[@martinmartins7703]

Wow. What an embarrassing theater. It was a predictable "twist". Even my boomer parents figured it out lol Still an enjoyable movie, though.

[@BGTitanAvatar]

I saw this in theaters and when the Vulture opened the door for Peter everyone gasped and there was a palpable tension in the room for the next couple scenes. Like, no one breathed until Peter was physically at the dance.

[@jandrojuan94]

21:00 - That twist never gets old

[@stonecoldku4161]

Speaking of casting. The teacher that said "I couldn't bear to lose a student on a school trip. Not again," was in a previous MCU movie "The Incredible Hulk." When Bruce Banner got into the school's computers by offering pizza to the security guard, Banner also gave a slice to a student who was working on another computer. The actor that played that student became the afore mentioned teacher. There is another connection to previous MCU movie. The principle at Peter Parker's school is the grandson of one of the soldiers that fought alongside of Captain America in WW2. When Peter is in his office getting a talking to, on a filing cabinet there is a picture of soldier.

[@davewhitmore1958]

i like that they changed Flash Thompson from a physical bully to an emotional one, much more to the times (I mean, bullying in any form sucks, but it's not the 60's anymore)

[@sgauden02]

Aunt May going "What the f-" at the end had me laughing my ass off!!!

[@rahulmenon9530]

I love the editing. Showing Miles when he mentions his nephew and playing the better call Saul theme while showing the Nacho actor was gold 😂

[@Pit_Wizard]

Michael Keaton's Vulture is easily my favorite MCU villain. Relatable and understandable motivations, consistent morals, and UNBELIEVABLY menacing. Not that surprising considering Keaton is also one of my favorite actors.

[@MrGBH]

I like that his one kill was accidental, but he shrugged it off and rolled with it It helps show that he doesn't want to kill, but doesn't feel particularly bad about doing so.

[@daddynitro199]

There aren’t many actors who can chew the scenery and not be irritating. Michael Keaton is one of them.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

Ditto. Hoping to see him again, perhaps in a redeemed villain role.

[@tronarclight2976]

Not just that, but they managed to translate the Vulture costume from the comics into one of the most badass comic villain costumes.

[@TechnoArpan]

@@tronarclight2976 yeah, the comic costume is really silly

[@wfly81]

24:35 I love this point in the movie (partly because of the direct callback to the comics) because Peter is at a crossroads. He has to decide right there whether he he really is a superhero or just a kid playing dress up wishing he was a superhero. So I think that's the moment he REALLY becomes Spider-Man.

[@chandleralves698]

20:12 "He's 14? There's no way, " she says over the dialogue of Peter confirming that he's 15 😂😂😂

[@Hockeyhobo89]

Ya that triggered me a bit 😂

[@spinynorman887]

He was 14 when Tony recruited him for The Avengers in Cap Am Civil War.

[@marvelfantasy472]

@@spinynorman887 No he was still 15

[@MsKeylas]

​@@marvelfantasy472not "still" but " already". And no,he wasnt

[@NormanBoulder]

21:00 was the best surprise moment in the whole MCU history, NO ONE saw that coming

[@CaptainCat101]

A good twist villain, and he wasn't even made by Disney

[@se3982]

lol i did. I paid attention at the beginning that he has a kid and knew he was someones dad, just thought that it was the bullys.

[@kathryngreen8665]

@@se3982 Yeah it wasn't really that surprising. They made too much a point of him asking her out and going to pick her up, it had to have some relavance to the story especially since we all know he gets together with MJ.

[@Dead25m]

@@se3982 "just thought that it was the bullys" So you didn't see it coming then.

[@Karlebow571]

Peter meets The Batman

[@blinkachu5275]

The webshooters Peter has in this movie (And Andrew Garfield's Peter has in his movie) are comic accurate ^^ The only Spider-Man to have natural web come from his body is Tobey Maguire's Peter. All three were bitten by a spider, we just don't see it in this movie because the creators of this movie realized we've already seen his origin twice ^^ So instead we just see him already being Spider-Man and how to deal with it as a teen.

[@Ironoclasty]

Besides, we kind of sped right by the bitey-spider part and went right in to the Avengers part. Anybody who isn't familiar with the origin story of Spiderman at this point is just . . . there's no help.

[@cuffzter]

He actually did have organic webshooters in the comics for a couple of years, around the time of the Tobey movies.

[@Firefax]

Apparently, early on, James Cameron was brought on board to work on Spider-Man back in the day. The organic webshooters were his idea. He wondered why Peter would gain all these other spider-like abilities, but not be able to make his own webbing. After he left the project, that was the only one of his ideas they kept.

[@KthulhuXxx]

In fairness, both his appearance in Civil War and this film do an absolutely horrific job of actually conveying to viewers that don't know much about Spider-Man that Peter actually has ANY powers of his own. The focus is so overwhelmingly on the Stark-suit that this iteration of Spider-Man has been criticized as being little more than Tony Stark's incompetent intern.

[@neospock5034]

@@cuffzter yeah he got organic webs temporarily a couple of times.

[@CharlieSoze]

"I feel like you could cut the tension with a knife" Best scene in the movie. Michael Keaton is SO good.

[@OneAndOnlyMe]

The upside down "kiss her" is an in-joke reference to the upside kiss moment in the Toby McGuire Spider-Man.

[@CountryMusicMann]

I feel like the writers for Homecoming really nailed it with the theme. How helpless and defeated blue collar workers feel in today's America, how the villain known as the Vulture really acts like a carrion bird in this movie, stealing alien tech left over after a major battle. It all works so well.

[@bigdream_dreambig]

"I'm sick of him treating me like a kid all the time" -- he says as he jumps on the bed. 🙈

[@greywolf7577]

Hey, adults would be a lot less stressed if they jumped on the bed from time to time.

[@smdias65]

😆 I was thinking the same thing!

[@SCUMMY4205]

3:15 That line was improvised by RDJ, that's why Tom Holland looked at him like that, and why RDJ was laughing maniacally.

[@Rhodair]

I really like how this movie shows off the different web protocols programmed in the suit. Although organic webbing has its advantages, it's so cool how the mechanical ones can be more effective at doing things like web bullets, conduit webs, web grenades, etc.

[@markplott4820]

the Spider arms Protocol is awesome.

[@badplay156]

His abilities from the spidwr bite was his speed, strength, spidey sense (sense danger) and ability to stick to walls. The web has always (other than Tobey McGuire) been from web throwers he invented

[@inarar5334]

Agility, too. He's not just fast, he's super agile.

[@KS-xk2so]

I think its kind of implied that part of the reason he was able to create the web fluid was due to an innate "understanding" that his powers gave him as well. Obviously he's a super smart kid and created the tech, but maybe got a leg up on the chemical composition of the webs via the bite as well.

[@TechnoArpan]

Agility, durability as well as a slight healing factor as well

[@inarar5334]

@Techno Pirate I think he kinda did the opposite. He over thought it. He tried to reinvent the wheel. And for whatever reason, the webbing was where Raimi drew the line on what was believable.

[@inarar5334]

@@TechnoArpan it's not as fast as Logan or Deadpool but I ld call it better than a slight healing factor. He gets hit with a bullet train and sleeps it off. He's still got some injuries the next morning, but still. He can sleep off getting hit by a bullet train.

[@biguy617]

The technology helps his abilities. The tech gives him some of the things from the comics like Spider tracers. I was glad to see those in this movie. They were in the Spider-Man animated series.

[@alexmacdougall5700]

The showdown in the car is the most Spiderman thing that has ever been put to film. It's all the early struggles of young Spiderman. Cause in reality he could just punch him through the wind sheild. Without the vulture suit he poses 0 threat. BUT it is a man talking down to a boy. A person of authority talking to an adolescent and Peter has no way out. It's so damn good.

[@marvel-ousre-grind8724]

An FF, fun fact- the actor Kenneth Choi, that plays Peter's principal at school, also played one of Captain America's "Howling Commando" buddies... The two characters are actually related, and if you look when it shows his office, he has pictures of his Captain America character posted on the walls...

[@KeithDCanada]

Vulture protected Peter's identity at the end, partially, I believe, because his daughter is/was linked to Peter.... and in a way he was trying to protect his daughter from harm.

[@harish123az]

I dont think any villain cares for a high school link, they werent even properly dating. Plus his family moved out of school and town

[@EntertainmentFan11]

Peter saved his life.

[@daniellanctot6548]

5:51 - Au contraire: He WAS bit by a Spider, otherwise he would not have his super-strength (They just opted not to show it happening on screen as both the Tobey and Andrew movies had already shown that scene and, lets face it: Everyone knows that story!)

[@dustyb58]

Sure would be cool if people waited a few minutes instead of pausing and trying to correct everyone in a video from the past

[@RagingBlackGuy]

That look you have when Ned got caught on the computer had me dying laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ariconsul]

To me this is the Spiderman movie that's by far the most faithful to the spirit of the old Steve Ditko / Stan Lee vision ("The Amazing Spiderman" - 1962-66 - #1-#38). High-school kid, high-school problems with animal-based criminals to fight as his alter ego. The scene where he gets nearly crushed by debris is an homage to Issue #33.

[@greigclement9081]

Tom Holland played the wide eyed teenager very well. The Captain America PSA school videos are hilarious; I hope you caught the very end one post credits.

[@gundummies]

The thing with Vulture's motivation, he just wanted to provide for his family. At the beginning of the movie, you can see that he invested/spent a lot of his money (he mentioned hiring trucks etc) into getting some of the stuff (left by the kree) for scraps only to be turned away by the damage control. And with that, he was going to be broke and left with nothing. But some of the scraps he got earlier were unnoticed and he just had to make something out of it, salvage whatever he can so he can still provide for his family. His team probably ended up making dangerous techs, because with what little he got, that's probably the fastest way to get back all the money he lost. Not saying what he did was right, be you can understand the motivation. The way I see it, the damage control department could've just seized all the alien technology from them, because in all that destruction, there are plenty of scrap metals lying around (metal from properties that were destroyed). There a lot of profit in scrap metals too. They should've at least given them something they can work on and oversee their operation so no alien tech would be "pocketed".

[@3Rayfire]

Chitauri not the Kree, but absolutely. The whole Damage Control operation was sloppy and slapdash. They should've at least reimbursed him for what he already spent since they just Deebo'd him out of his contracts. Tony could've done that out of the money in his left back pocket. The governments in the MCU are pretty crappy with the Sokovia Accords and the GRC being terrible.

[@MsKeylas]

​@@3RayfireEXACTLY. They could have EASILY hired Toomes and his brigade. They already have licences,equipment and people for this job RIGHT there on the spot. More hands on the job ->faster cleaning of debrie/wreckage->less inconvenience/loss of money from population being inconvenienced. And that is ANOTHER case of Tony's arrogance of " I AM Best/Only capable to handle this thing"

[@gooseman_x]

Vik, since you love the casting, you’ll really appreciate the irony of this useless trivia: the voice of Karen is actress Jennifer Connelly, who’s the real life wife of actor Paul Bethany, who voiced JARVIS, and then played Vision

[@TheMediaOutsiders]

And the reason Tony was making skimpy clothing comments about Aunt May is that RDJ and Marissa Tormei were a couple in the 90s after being in Chaplin together

[@nathanmead9585]

That was one of my favorite little details. I can just imagine Bettany convincing Jennifer to take the part over dinner: "It's such a great job! You can do all the work over the phone in your pajamas! Just be careful if they try to cast you as an android after that..."

[@OneAndOnlyMe]

@Techno Pirate Thinking about it, there's a great opportunity for Marvel Studios to do s story of how Alfre Woodward's character goes from being the grieving mother to Black Mariah. It's ambiguous right now that it's two different characters, but they could so easily come up with a great story arc here.

[@OneAndOnlyMe]

@Techno Pirate Hmm, I fell like it's not entirely clear when the events of Luke Cage took place, there's a lot of room for reinterpretation. They could do it I think. Even the events of Daredevil could be re-timelined now with Fisk being in Hawkeye.

[@TechnoArpan]

@@nathanmead9585 honestly, hoping she plays JOCASTA in the future

[@thedoctor4327]

Vulture is still Top 5 MCU villains for me and top 3 cinematic Spider-Man villains. Loved how ruthless he could be while still having sympathetic/relatable motivations and a respectful relationship with Peter

[@lazyperfectionist1]

10:51 "He is _such_ a good friend." He _might_ be, if he knew a little more about _impulse_ control and _discretion._ I remember, when watching this movie, literally _saying,_ _out loud,_ _"Dammit,_ Ned, _don't_ tell them _that."_

[@dragonstryk7280]

Ned asking "So can you summon an army of Spiders?" is an inside joke to the comics, where Pete actually foils a bank robbery as a guy has a gun to his head by claiming to summon all of the spiders in NYC, and dude fully freaks out and gives himself up

[@SG-js2qn]

This movie actually has a bunch of classic Spidey villains, but only Spider-Nerds would know it. In addition to the Vulture, there's the Tinkerer, the Shocker, the Prowler, and the Scorpion. The "damage control" team in the opening scenes was also a real group that had their own short-lived comic book.

[@lordmortarius538]

The Vulture is called that because he scavenges from the corpses of the dead (like, you know, a vulture does). The teacher for the decathlon trip is the same guy from the Incredible Hulk that Bruce bribed with pizza to let him access university records. Also, Peter's school principal is a descendant of one of the Howling Commandos from Captain America 1, the guy who said he's from Fresno. Aaron Davis (Don Glover) is The Prowler in the comics, and is also the uncle of Miles Morales (Spider-Man from Into the Spiderverse). Oh, and Karen is voiced by Jennifer Connelly :D

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

17:47 props to the editor for this little nod

[@fatutch]

I like that while she was watching, she was talking about small tidbits about the places on the scene :D

[@DarkPaladin24]

Believe me, I don think anyone was expecting the Vulture to be Liz's dad. Great twist. He may be the villain, but at least he has some good morals.

[@donwinslow522]

I wasn't expecting that, either. I think that twist may have been inspired by the comics, where it been revealed that Liz's older brother was a villain, known as the Molten Man.

[@DarkPaladin24]

@@donwinslow522 I vaguely remember they brought Molten Man into the Spectacular Spiderman show. He was Liz's brother?

[@donwinslow522]

@@DarkPaladin24 I haven't seen the show. I'll have to check that out.

[@Kazeromaru]

Cuz The Vulture is Adrian Toomes, not Adrian Allen. He's not related to Liz Allen in any way, shape or form but for a twist they decided to change him.

[@DarkPaladin24]

@@Kazeromaru I knew that before watching the film.

[@Ryan-rh1vc]

The hug thing legit happened to me. A colleague at work was leaving and came into the "kitchen", it was a narrow cooking area so no space to pass. She reached past me to a shelf and I thought she was going in for a hug

[@samlopez5152]

Fun Fact: In the comics, Mac Gargan becomes the villain “The Scorpion”, equipped with an exoskeleton and a tail that shoots venom.

[@IH8YH]

The scene with Peter and Vulture in the car is probably my favorite Villain moment of the entire MCU

[@Caseytify]

Holland was 16 or 17 when he filmed this. The Vulture wasn't a psychopath. In fact it was made clear in the accidental death scene that he thought he had grabbed the antigravity gun. His little speech about being a little guy provides his motivation; he's not evil per se, but he would literally stop at nothing to protect his family. He also has a strongly developed sense of fairness, which is part of the reason he became the Vulture; he felt the authorities hadn't treated him fairly. Interesting trivia: Michael Keaton played Batman in two movies (1989-1992). He also starred in Birdman, about an actor who played a famous superhero (Birdman) from 1989-1992. Then in this movie he plays the Vulture. Does anyone else see a patter here? ;)

[@tofu_golem]

The guy inventing stuff for Vulture is a Ms Marvel/Kamala Khan villain. The Donald Glover character is the uncle of Miles Morales. You'll meet him in Into the Spider-Verse. Spider-Man has a really complicated relationship with his enemies. In the comic books, both Aunt May and MJ figured out that Peter is Spider-Man before he could tell them.

[@christophermoore9436]

Your hatred for the Hudson River, Staten Island, and the ferry is iconic 😂😂😂

[@urfaes6878]

Vkunia : He doesn't have his wings. Peter Parker : I'm nothing without my suit. That was the most subtle callback ever.

[@leico4218]

17:47 *better call Saul theme* “Who’s that guy on the left?” Loved that

[@VKunia]

So the video got claimed around 5 mins🥲 so if the video is slightly "misedited", that is why!

[@joshuacampbell7493]

You said watch the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man yes. Did you watch the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man?

[@VKunia]

@@joshuacampbell7493 No i haven't!

[@gazzamanazza4pm]

@@VKunia I'd highly recommend it! They're flawed in places but very underrated in my opinion! Andrew Garfield's portrayal of spiderman is just excellent!

[@VKunia]

@@gazzamanazza4pm I will definitely watch them before the inevitable "multiverse" that was creating buzz!

[@gazzamanazza4pm]

@@VKunia Glad to hear it! Also, since you're a big Donald Glover fan, have you watched Community? It'd make a great TV show reaction series if you haven't seen it, he's so good in it!

[@aeonversestudios01]

21:01 Oh you weren't in theaters to witness everyone collectively shitting their pants

[@vwlssnvwls3262]

This Spider-Man did still get his powers the same way, it just happened before the point where we meet Spider-Man in Civil War. They don't bother showing us the spider bite because it's just common knowledge to everyone by now.

[@lazyperfectionist1]

3:58 "When I was in _chemistry,_ we made _soap._ And our pr- our teacher was like, 'You can't take- You can't- You're gonna start throwing _soap_ at each other in the hallways.'" Your chemistry class sounds cooler than mine. In all honesty though, soap in a sock makes a painful _weapon._ _Full Metal Jacket_ showed us that.

[@SergioArellano-yd7ik]

That reaction when she saw the cat was priceless. I can't even write what she said it was pure gibberish.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

"I thought you didn't have any friends?" EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!

[@princeeverlove]

Tom had a lot to live up to...and he has done a fantastic job!!! 🕷️🕸️ (Girl you are just soooo fun-eeeeee)☺️😅

[@Griever_404]

I don't know about y'all, but I think the "Some movie audio has been muted or filtered because..." section of each video is separate art form here. Those are fantastic!

[@AdrianFlipflop]

The hatred you have for the Staten island ferry and the Hudson is literally giving me life 🤣🤣

[@HorribleGamingFun]

for me the stand out performance of this movie was Michael Keaton as Vulture like, so much that i would love to see them change this Vulture into a hero and give him a redemption story movie of his own

[@davidgarcia2016]

The complete change in personality at 5:00 had me dying, you can tell how bad you wanted to pet the cat

[@cooliostarstache5474]

Lmfao the Better Call Saul music when Michael Mando's character appeared

[@geolitz2665]

“One of my biggest fears is anything that’s happening in Whatever movie I’m watching!”

[@mycroft16]

The slow beginning is intentional. They want you to feel the same frustration Peter feels. It's pretty clever. they kept it moving enough and funny enough to not be bad. If he had just said he was doing homework... no one was going to believe that. So he went with the obvious assumption. Smart really.

[@SeedFactoryProject]

The main reason they didn't do an origin story for the MCU is that Sony had rebooted Spiderman twice in recent years prior to that, and from the TV and comics everyone knew Peter Parker got bitten by a spider. So they felt they didn't need spend the screen time showing it again.

[@ChiliConCarnage]

As a european, "How did they get into a highschool? The SECURITY is TOP NOTCH" is probably one of the most insane things I've ever heard said so nonchalantly.

[@jackgomes3861]

Upon being bitten by the spider, Peter has his body rapidly developed into an evolved form, reaching his potential much faster than an average teenager. Therefore, it is best to be played by an adult with jovial characteristics.

[@Wungolioth]

I think that the slowness in the beginning you detected was because the director had wanted to do something different with this one, he took some inspiration from John Hughes 80s teen comedies, and I think was a fun decision, the scene with Peter running through the backyards was taken from Ferris Bueller's Day Off, you can even see the movie playing on a TV in the background.

[@TheShaneCarter]

The Kid in the Iron Man helmet in Iron Man 2 canonically has been confirmed as Peter. Tony has been keeping tabs on him and had known how to find during the events of Civil War.

[@jarvisstark3097]

7:35 Fun fact, theres a comic where in it, Spider-Man messes with a criminal and convinces him he's summoning an army of spiders to attack, and the criminal immediately gives up

[@dumdumadam8960]

As a fellow NYer, everything she said about Staten Island, the ferry, and the hudson is true

[@fridaymovies2924]

11:06 *Curb Your Enthusiasm theme begins playing 🎶*

[@MrGBH]

Tom Holland can do a standing backflip, he did it during promotional tours

[@HeisenStark13]

He was bit by the spider, they rightly decided to skip that part of his story since we all know it already. Toby having organic webs from his body was a change from the comics. He's always had to science his webs in comics, cartoons, etc

[@khalduras784]

yeah the tobey version started or atleast popularized the whole "organic" webbing thing

[@ThatShyGuyMatt]

I didn't even realize they never pointed it out. Wow. They were correct, we all know it even when its a new Spiderman story.

[@adrienthomann2216]

Depends... Yes, most people know it. But I shouldn't have to watch Spider-Man movies with other actors to guess what happened to the current actor. It's ridiculous.

[@mechanomics2649]

@@adrienthomann2216 You don't. What the hell are you talking about?

[@GasBandit]

"You could have just said you were doing homework" She never would have believed it. He might get in some trouble for "looking at porn" but she would believe it, and it got the teacher to stop asking questions that could have ended up unmasking Peter.

[@ilyStarry]

In the original comics the spider only gave Peter enhanced Strength, agility, Spider sense, durability and wall crawling while Peter had to make the Webb shooting devices himself. The reason they don’t really go over his origin is because most people have seen the Tobey and Andrew films at this point and didn’t wanna explain his origin again. It’s pretty common knowledge now that Bot gets bit, uncle die, with great power, and ect.

[@andrewroberts9885]

"Close your face...Close your face, please!" Great reaction, Vicky!

[@lazyperfectionist1]

3:30 "It's not a hug. I'm just grabbing the door for you. We're not there, yet." "Ohhh. Oh. I would still _hug,_ though." Yeah. Peter lives alone with his _aunt._ Looks like he needs some kind of _father_ figure in his life.

[@nicksmyth4050]

Mac Gargen (the criminal played by Nacho from Better Call Saul) will eventually become a supervillain named the Scorpion (which is referenced to with his neck tattoo)

[@teddylyon1189]

“A villain with morals!? We don’t usually see that” Villains with morals are just… good villains. Hopefully marvel remembers that in the future

[@MarkDemeo]

He was bit by a spider we just didn't see it happen. When we see him I Civil War he has been spiderman for a few months. How he gets his powers doesn't need to always be shown.

[@folcotook3049]

My thought on an overall theme for the movie is that while Peter thinks he's trying to get Tony's respect, what he's really doing is learning self-respect.

[@intense79nick]

Same! Also the beginning is slow because Peter is listless and waiting on standby to "prove himself". The movie picks up momentum when he takes agency and drives the plot himself. This works well in this movie but felt clunky and redundant in Far From Home, IMO.

[@3Rayfire]

@Techno Pirate My whole issue with the plot of this movie is that this was Tony teaching Peter a lesson that Peter didn't need. Peter was Spider-Man for six months before Tony even showed up. He never needed Tony's suit. It's ridiculous that he would need Tony's approval or permission to be Spider-Man.

[@3Rayfire]

@Techno Pirate It's more than that. Tony has a thing about men who are better than him dying. Ho Yinsen in Iron Man 1 was a genuinely good man. He died and Tony lived, and Tony knows it's just not right and it's a guilt that he carries. You see it again in The Avengers, _"His first name is Agent."_ _"And there's one other guy you pissed off....his name was Phil."_ In Civil War it was Charlie Spencer's death that motivated Tony's guilt, _"He decided to spend his summer building sustainable housing for the poor. Guess where, Sokovia. He wanted to make a difference, I suppose. I mean, we won't know because we dropped a building on him while we were kicking ass."_ Someone better than him. That's what he saw in Peter _"I wanted you to be better."_ Problem is Peter was already better. He knew he had to use his powers for something other than the greater good. Tony knew this, which is why he was so overprotective. He saw a chance to make someone with all of his potential without all of his flaws. The problem was he had absolutely no idea how to be a mentor. Tony's too selfish and self-destructive to be a mentor. His way of dealing with that is to not be present. If he's not around he can't cause any damage to the kid....which is Tony lying to himself, since Tony's problems visited themselves upon the kid a few times even when he wasn't around. Tony also didn't directly teach him anything. He gave him parameters that he wasn't to go outside of. He gave him the suit, told him to report in, and then gave him nothing. When Peter defeated the Vulture and stopped him from stealing a plane load of Avengers tech with zero help from Tony, Tony then realized that the kid was tenacious and wouldn't stay down. From Tony's perspective Peter just went through his Iron Man 3 and had proved him wrong. Fact is he was wrong to begin with but couldn't let himself see it. But that's not to say that he doesn't care, but he sees him more as a kid, than a superhero and his instinct is to be protective instead of educational. Which is a foolish indulgence since the kid is stronger than a super soldier.

[@3Rayfire]

@Techno Pirate 🙏 Thank you I appreciate that. I love Tony, but he's a pain in the ass. He's like Nat in that, he's so desperate to make up for the bad that he's done and his negligence, but he's ended up overcorrecting. He genuinely wants to protect people, but he has done harm as well as good. I think he would've been a better mentor if he'd just told Peter about the times that he screwed up. As for writing...me too.

[@3Rayfire]

@Techno Pirate Very important moment. And very honest. That's the worst about what Wanda did to Tony. It made him grip tighter. Cursed with knowledge.

[@vmi02raven]

The guy who Michael Keaton meets on the ferry and at prison is [in the comics and other media] the Scorpion. A genetically modified super-villain designed specifically to defeat Spider-Man.

[@jamestreanor4361]

The actor Martin Starr who plays the teacher Mr Harrington in this movie was the same character in The incredible Hulk (2008) but he was called the computer nerd guy. He was the guy that let Bruce Banner ( Ed Norton) use his computer for the free pizza.

[@andrewrawlings5220]

"If you're nothing without this suit then you shouldn't have it" - Man who never goes anywhere without his suit.

[@DAMIENDMILLS]

Tony after saving Peter from the ferry: "Yousa in big dudu dis time."

[@eddiebaker40]

25:07 “there’s no worse place I could think of to fight..” judging by your earlier comments I expected you to say “..than the Staten Island fairy”

[@sammylane21]

I love how Tom Holland gave Pete a soft lisp to his speech.

[@jackgomes3861]

in the TV series Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. The forehead is shown to have partitions that clean up messes and collect alien trinkets from affected locations, to prevent civilians from coming in contact with everything. It is excellent. I recommend you watch.

[@ItsSteveMC4437]

3:30 the fact that this wasnt scripted LOL

[@stevendubin5871]

sorry the staten island ferry routes don't go into the hudson river - it operates in the upper harbor area of new york bay. however the hudson river and the east river empty into the upper harbor but the ferry route is from the battery terminal at the southern tip of manhattan where the east river ends to st georges terminal on staten island

[@GamepadRanger]

Loved the editing on this one, with Donald Glover, Michael Mando and every other joke. Amazing!

[@TwistedSynn]

he was bit by a spider, only tech is his Web Shooters which is more like the comics, but he still has powers like Super Strength, Sticking to Walls, Super Reflexes, Spider Sense.

[@inarar5334]

Fun trivia, Karen/Suit lady is Jennifer Connelly. She's married to Paul Bettany, who is JARVIS/Vision.

[@telocity]

Vulture and Spiderman in the comics always had a interesting interaction. Vulture was always about the money and would do a lot of "bad" things to get it, but he was never manic like a lot of villains.

[@crossbones13]

"Hey! Me when somebody tries to hang up on me." Soooo...every single phone call then?

[@Monty0-0]

The Flash Thomson of this movie is the type student that would get bullied by the Flash Thomson from the previous movies.

[@bijoybiswas1932]

One of the most rewatchable movies for me.

[@OneAndOnlyMe]

I loved the plot twist in this movie (it caught me out too) because it plays on our biases.

[@campar1043]

the mob boss legend you mentioned being buried is jimmy hoffa, he was an labor union leader

[@JedHead77]

Vicky, the guy Coombs meets in prison later becomes another Spidey villain, the Scorpion. 🦂

[@SergioArellano-yd7ik]

They don't let kids walk around with soap but the top notch security lets them shoot each other.

[@qrowing]

I love how absolutely patronizing it is that Captain America is the one lecturing Peter in detention, since Peter went one-on-one with Cap in Civil War and arguably lost.