Tom Paris dealing with being demoted to Ensign

Tom Paris dealing with being demoted to Ensign

[@ernstergarcia]

calm down, captain. it's not like he attempted a kolvoord starburst maneuver.

[@Markthealien]

Again (Headcannon, Nick and Tom same person)

[@nomnomnomnomnomnom5480]

Haha well done, bravo!!

[@GabrielPintoMusic]

@@Markthealien fun fact; they were initially supposed to be, but the writer who created Nick refused to allow them to use the character, so he was renamed Tom.

[@Markthealien]

@@GabrielPintoMusic I know actually, well I didn't know it was a writer I thought it was a money thing. That's actually why I said that 😂

[@joshua.dmurphy8643]

I understand that reference

[@christopheradams5607]

To hear a Vulcan say rise and shine is really something.

[@Dowlphin]

_Live risen and shine._ 🖖

[@jimhuffman9434]

He's been around humans too long

[@chris1pugsley]

Kate Mulgrew is outstanding and the way she disciplined Tom Paris. She reminds of my High School principal.

[@jakemorris2157]

Still got promoted faster than Harry Kim.

[@lvlister2005]

Enlisted back into SF, promoted, demoted and then repromoted lmao :P

[@malikevans634]

If I was Harry, I'd have been salty as a motherfucker.

[@paladin50554]

If I were Harry I would have mutinied. I just hope the poor bastard got his long overdue promotion when they got back to earth.

[@jamesb.8940]

Poor Harry LOL

[@Blondesax]

Yeah, getting re-promoted does seem to cheapen the whole thing. C’mon, writers: conviction. He broke protocol and got in a heap of trouble. Don’t let him get off so easily.

[@bluehealer81]

"Thomas Eugene Paris" You know when they use your full name you're in trouble.

[@otomicans6580]

The demotion wasn't enough. She should have commanded the crew to call him Eugene for a year as well.

[@alltheragegeorgepageakatheperv]

He was saying Ma'am like when my mom catches me in a lie.

[@wolfeusmc2011]

It's the same when I lost rank in the Marine Corps. But there's a rhyme and a reason for the rules...even if you were in the right

[@chrismc410]

@@wolfeusmc2011 what did you do if I may ask?

[@Leadeshipcoach]

@@otomicans6580 🤣🤣👍👍

[@thedominionx]

"Rumor has it that you're free for dinner, 0700?" Wouldn't that be breakfast? Tuvok said rise and shine so it had to be in the morning. LOL this had me all fucked up.

[@Levi_Skardsen]

He did the right thing. He may have gone against the badge but his actions ultimately saved millions of lives.

[@popefrancis8153]

There were only 80,000 people on the planet

[@ianbrewer4843]

@@popefrancis8153 so saved 80,000?

[@jimhuffman9434]

There are a couple of times the Prime Directive has proven a bad idea

[@davfree9732]

​@@ianbrewer4843 How? Tom's attack on the air refineries was halted by Voyager. The problem had only just been discovered. No opportunity for the wider scientific or civilian community to weigh in was provided. Just Tom on a one man crusade to 'do the right thing now' instead of giving the people the time to figure out what the right thing was on their own. Or to put it another way, he saved the Titanic... and as a result, no seismic shift in passenger safety and ocean cruise liner safety checks would occur for the long term. What Tom did was wrong. He knew it but allowed his feelings to cloud his long term thinking. Instead the people he tried to save will know that StarFleet is a risky partner as their officers will go off halfcocked and nearly ruin what they view positively with weapons fire.

[@Kronosfobi]

@@jimhuffman9434 Prime Directive is extremely vague. They keep yelling each time that Star Fleet shall NOT interfere, in any shape or form, with a alien civilization. This includes but not limited to: Cultural influence, Economical influence or TECHNOLOGICAL influence. They literally gave highly advanced (for the residents of this colony at least) shielding technology and pretty much a bootleg replication technology just so these 80.000 spacefaring colonists could remain there. While they absolutely ignored anyone else who were dying of thirst and hunger all over the Delta Quadrant. Were so adamant about preventing less advanced species getting their hands on advanced technology, every single time they destroyed it (case and point to Season 1 episode 1)

[@blkhemi3925]

At least Picard said to Data... "You disobeyed a direct order, i will be putting a reprimand in your permanent record...(pause)... And Mr. Data... Nicely done!"

[@josephmassaro]

Actually, Picard didn't reprimand him. Data submitted himself for disciplinary action, but Picard noted that Starfleet didn't want officer's who blindly obeyed orders. Picard said that he would note Data's exemplary conduct in his record and followed it up with the "Nicely done."

[@austinboylan5476]

He formally reprimanded Worf (Reunion) and Geordi (Interface) on different occasions.

[@attiepollard7847]

@@josephmassaro remember in the US military we train our officers to take the initiative even if it means disobeying orders. disobey can be tolerated to some extent if it has good outcomes but if it has bad outcomes you will be court-martialed.

[@josephmassaro]

@@attiepollard7847 Yes, Picard made that point several times. Blindly obeying and claiming "I was only following orders." has led to many tragedies in history.

[@teamhex]

It's what makes him a better captain. He knew wrong from right, but he also knew Star Fleet rules and procedures. He was formal, but informal when the time called for it.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

I loved Tom Paris. He did the right things for his conscious and his crew. You always have to respect that.

[@jameswasil]

But he was White, and that made him a target for that stupid SJW bitch named Janeway

[@cadkls]

@@jameswasil Dude, I'm fairly anti sjw and you make me look like I suckle up with antifa. There's nothing SJW about her. It's also got absolutely nothing to do with Tom being white. Stop being a fucking sexist. Get a grip you pathetic pussy

[@evertonporter7887]

@@jameswasil Dude, imagine as a black man being forcibly taken from your home in Africa, put aboard an overcrowded slave ship bound for America or the West Indies, where you are chained to a bunk with other black men and women, packed like sardines in filthy conditions on a journey that will take weeks. Now that is Hell! Tom Paris's 30 days in solitary, aboard a 24th century starship is a stay in a luxury hotel compared to that.

[@davfree9732]

Respect having one's right and responsibility to choose your own future stripped away by an officer/activist who saw an immediate solution... and tried to action his will before the scientific and public community could weigh in? Here's the thing about change. You have to take people with you. If you instigate against the will and resolve of the people, you will be labelled as an activist. That is what Tom chose to be when he should have considered his position as an officer.

[@tombaker8481]

Must be nice to have a Klingon girlfriend waiting for you after 30 days alone.

[@datathunderstorm]

Tom Baker Have you any idea how violent Klingon love making is? I recall a scene where Jadzia Dax visited sickbay for treatment to a few.....erm.....”scratches and bumps” from a session of “rumpy pumpy” with Worf. I know B’ellana is half Klingon, but after 30 days of undesired abstinence from the “beast with four legs”, she must have literally been chomping at the bit to get Tom Paris into her boudoir....and probably took him within a hair’s breadth of Stovokor....!! 😳🙄😏

[@PouchMaster]

Worf sure did beat the shit out of Jadzia Dax during their violent intercourse! Not sure it's something I'd look forward to!

[@datathunderstorm]

Vagitarian Umm, not quite. Worf did not beat Jadzia. Any injuries suffered during their love making sessions were purely from unbridled passion and nothing more. Klingons by their very nature are powerful and equally passionate beings. When two Klingons “get jiggy with it”, the fur literally flies. Unbridled passion takes control of their senses and they lose themselves in the....er....doubtlessly prolonged moment. Tearing, scratching and biting at each other would be the norm between Klingons (I would wager). After all, this is the race of beings who would KILL you, if you were invited to dinner by your Klingon host, and neglected to BURP LOUDLY at the end of the meal (and perhaps during it too). Burping loudly signifies that you thoroughly enjoyed your hosts meal, it was well prepared and you appreciated being invited to partake of it. That’s Klingon culture for you. Ergo, any male or female human engaging in.....er.....coitus, with a Klingon partner, can expect to be thoroughly put through a extremely passionate session of Klingon....um, shagging, which would doubtlessly include a form of equally extreme foreplay that would make your average Snowflake softy faint in horror. T’is the Klingon way. Klingons can easily shake this off with minimum damage. A tough human (or Trill like Jadzia) could probably manage this too. Jadzia, fyi, was very keen on Klingon customs and folklore. It is worth noting that Jadzia’s idea of early morning exercise, was engaging in a wrestling bout with not one.....but TWO MALES (Deep Space Nine). I’m sure she beat them both too! This was no ordinary female, and I’m sure she gave as good as she got when she and Worf got around to their horizontal liaisons. So, to recap, he wasn’t beating her (a la domestic abuse), but rather, making love like a true Klingon warrior. I suspect from a purely biological (and psychological) point of view, this helped Klingon individuals ensure that they chose the best of their warrior race, by grading them on how....er.....enthusiastic their lovemaking was. Of course, some of what I just wrote could well be complete bollocks, but I’d like to believe I’ve told you pretty much the truth, extrapolated and surmised (from existing proof) or not. 🤓

[@PouchMaster]

That was definitely the longest reply I've ever gotten! I thank you for that! It encourages me! Makes me feel like I'm doing well! Grilka definitely didn't take it easy on Quark either! His head looked like a pumpkin and his arms and fingers all looked broken! Like she was slamming his head in a doorway!

[@Sovereign01]

@@PouchMaster Death by snoo-snoo! :D

[@kevinhoward9593]

Everyone on that ship will be commanding their own ship while poor Kim is still manning his operations station on the bridge.

[@llamapi3]

30 days of solitary confinement at 10 FPS

[@Why_vern]

llamapi3 pahahahahahaha love it 😂

[@VertigoX26]

The horror! Nobody deserves that fate...

[@freezenexusblogspot]

I would prefer to be shot with a disruptor instead.

[@Dowlphin]

_Just kill me instead._

[@Calhoun0]

That's against the Geneva Conventions

[@HereticDuo]

"Tom, you disobeyed the prime directive so I'm demoting you, Luckily there's no admirals around to demote me for that same crime or I'd be taking orders from the replicators by now"

[@jamesk8154]

“taking orders from the replicators” 🤣😂🤣😂

[@user-zr6pl6nb6z]

That made me laugh out loud, which is unusual.

[@MackerelCat]

What people miss about this episode is that Janeway frequently indulged Tom and turned a blind eye to his misdemeanors. She let him go to the planet because he had a Captain Nemo fetish and she thought it was cute. But then he took it too far and she had no choice but to come down hard on him or her credibility would be shot.

[@maddux0817]

Yet when Harry Kim engaged in a consensual relationship with an alien species, she put a formal reprimand on his record. Also, she promoted Tom back to lieutenant before Harry.

[@OneofInfinity.]

He had changed under Janeway, took it with dignity and accepted he was wrong, Tom was going to do OK, was my first thought after watching it for the first time.

[@TwilightMysts]

I would say that he accepted that he broke the rules and had to pay for it. I think that he still considered it the right decision though. A big sign of maturity is facing a moral question, making a decision, and then accepting the consequences. (One of my complaints with people now is they think they should be spared from the consequences.)

[@davfree9732]

@@TwilightMysts Ala, all content from NuTrek under Kurtzman where people break the rules... and are rewarded for it.

[@Ryuuranger]

What Captain Janeway did was disrespectful and stupid

[@bryanx0317]

Shave? Shave what? Its looks like they told him to skip the weekend shaving and then shot the scene on Monday.

[@betotrono]

30 days solitary is pretty draconian for an enlightened human society

[@chrismc410]

betotrono better the 30 days in the brig than being demoted to crewman, like the Equinox crew were or being put off the ship on some planet to fend for yourself and short of a miracle, never see the Alpha Quadrant again.

[@Grenn1471]

Still the military.

[@wistals3deniks]

30 days is enough to make a lot of people crazy in the head. It's torture. I would not expect starfleet to start waterbording so why allow this shit? And putting him back on duty the next day after this shit is insane.

[@Grenn1471]

Star Trek solitary is a small room, yes, but with a force field instead of a fourth wall, and a security officer standing outside. So not exactly Gitmo.

[@chrismc410]

xc5647321 xc5647321 rap is not torture. Justin Bieber however...that is another matter entirely.

[@madcapmagician3130]

"Captain! We need to change course, spatial vortex ahead!" "Well change course then Mr Kim!" "The only one understands what all these silly buttons actually do is in the brig! Why do you think we haven't changed course in 20 days!"

[@OhNoTheFace]

Captain Mom is not angry, just disappointed D:

[@darskicutler1894]

just a note - 0700 is breakfast. 1900 is dinner/supper.

[@Anjiinjay]

Not that I disagree with you, but on a ship with no requirement for a day/night cycle, 0700 could be dinnertime for someone.

[@ayf1983]

He couldn't wait.

[@TheAlcoholic27]

"Replicator, a warm sock."

[@Aeroldoth3]

Sock. aloe vera. warm

[@caberToo]

Double strong, double sweet.

[@WarzoneMorloc]

This comment made me spit my tea out laughing

[@Dowlphin]

@@WarzoneMorloc Was it hot? Earl Grey?

[@blacknoir2404]

solitary confinement in the 24th century? you'd think they would have learned solitary makes for poor rehabilitation by now

[@HotaruZoku]

No joke. Solitary is inhumane to the extreme. So much for the "advanced culture" of Star Trek humanity.

[@NyanHomeschoolGirl17]

HotaruZoku Right? Like wtf

[@chancerbox1935]

Yeah, it harms people's mental health with multiple studies backing that up. A utopia would not have solitary confinement

[@HotaruZoku]

@@chancerbox1935 Hell with a Utopia, not even just a definable human /paradise/ would do that. And that's apart from the issue of prison time being that good of am kdea as a disciplinary selection to be used on a guy who we are reminded IN THIS SCENE was doing just fine with earlier in life.

[@chancerbox1935]

@@HotaruZoku My point is just that a society that is supposed to be great wouldn't have solitary confinement

[@TheBelegur]

Captain Janeway breaks star fleet rules on a regular basis. Hypocrisy anyone?

[@vubhuhjkbhubohjb]

That's 60 days in solitary for insubordination, and you're demoted now Neelix is in charge of you and Nyomi is in charge of him.

[@michaelcifer6204]

Ah but his "crime" was insubordination and violation of a direct order. Protocols defied by a captain are a little different especially due to circumstances. SO really the punishment for Tom Paris was just and warranted.

[@albireotheredguard1599]

@@michaelcifer6204 I'd agree, but Janeway's actions have put the crew in harms way more often than not and has gotten a lot of Red Shirts killed as a result.

[@joealtmaier9271]

Janeway is Captain, and has that prerogative.

[@DmanDice]

And what is she going to do, demote herself?

[@abundantYOUniverse]

Whats worse is he was my weed dealer on voyager.

[@callumdonington2227]

Just replicate it bro.

[@socalbeeguy8041]

Callum Donington Or go with the Saurian brandy.

[@vubhuhjkbhubohjb]

I volunteered to run Hydroponics

[@jpaulc441]

I get the feeling space stoners would believe replicated weed to be inferior.

[@vubhuhjkbhubohjb]

@@jpaulc441 It would be see synthahol

[@ZantherStone]

Not the first time he’s been in trouble and had his rank at risk. Almost brought Wesley down with him that first time.

[@G1Bryce]

You just blew my mind! I'd never bothered to piece those together

[@2490debrick]

Same actor different character...

[@mish375]

@@2490debrick They changed the character because it meant they wouldn't have to pay royalties. So some fans have said that Tom went to the Academy under another name so that he wouldn't get special treatment due to his father.

[@sebastianbenner977]

@@mish375 Tom Paris was kicked out of Starfleet after an incident with a shuttle that resulted in their deaths. The other character was kicked out before having even graduated. Though the shuttle stories are (intentionally) similar, also note that in Paris' story all the away team members died. With the cadets, just one died.

[@mish375]

@@sebastianbenner977 I'm aware. They had to change the story slightly to avoid paying royalties; but it's still my headcannon that Tom Paris and Nick Lacarno are the same character.

[@aperson22222]

On a show that’s notorious for not giving its characters any development, episodes like this are frustrating glimpses into what might have been if the writers had let said characters grow organically rather than being so unrelentingly cautious and/or lazy.

[@ltfringr]

They should have promoted Harry in his place. And solitary confinement? Have they really not realized how cruel that is in the future?

[@andreww1212]

Why didn't Harry ever get promoted while on Voyager? He went through so much and did so much for the ship. At least when they got back he became a Captain.

[@AndrewChapman]

Harry became captain in an alternate future where Voyager made it home after 22 years in the Delta Quadrant. But it was unclear if he ever became captain after Admiral Janeway came from the future to help get Voyager home sooner. But yeah, it sucks that Harry never got a promotion throughout Voyager.

[@solarisone1082]

He's been promoted to full lieutenant (and Second Officer) so far in the novels.

[@TheVergile]

well tbh there just always were better people around? Like...he just isnt leadership material. At least in the situation Voyager is in. Im sure he makes a great captain during peacetime in the alpha quadrant

[@GayLPer]

Tbh, there was a lot of problems on set where Harry's actor got the short end of the stick often. None of the episodes he wrote ever made it into the show, which was unusual compared to the other actors. Harry not getting a promotion likely has to do with whatever bias they had against his actor :/

[@Firthy2002]

True that, he should've easily been a full lieutenant by Endgame.

[@BelieveIt1051]

Then in *literally* the next episode, Janeway violates the prime directive to help members of an alien race evade the authorities. What did Tom do? Try to disable a few *world-destroying* refineries, which were evacuated ahead of time, at the request and assistance of one of their government officials. This is a man who saved Voyager and the crew from the Kazon and Seska. :\

[@Kenneth2413]

She got away with it because of plot armor. Just like how the number of photon torpedoes they used was 3x or more what they started with because of plot torpedoes.

[@jameswasil]

But they don't care about that fact or his good deeds because, you know, he's a white man and white people aren't supposed to be heroes anymore according to leftists and SJW bullshit. Fuck Janeway and the transporter she beamed up on.

[@jameswasil]

@Drew Taylor Never bothered to watch Discovery after this. Although I did like Voyager, things like this were part of why I refused to watch anything else unless they brought back a TNG series or they cooled it with the feminist and anit-male/anti-white attacks they threw into their scripts. Yes, I know when it aired, because I watched it on UPN WHEN it aired originally. Not my first rodeo, Drew. :-/ SJWs were a thing during the Clinton Administration, they just weren't as out of control and ridiculous about it as they are now. There was no Facebook or Myspace or KZbin yet, and most of what they said or did was limited to indie media that no one really watched and online usenet groups that only they read themselves. It wasn't overly touted and hadn't polluted every movie or TV show and things were still enjoyable. Be that as it may, their little inserts like what we see on this video clip, even toward the middle to late 1990's as they became more audacious, were repulsive and inexcusable. I guess these days the truth is "crap" to those who don't like it, but what's true is true. There were still heavy overtones for liberal and leftist ideology with TNG at times, but they were not vicious or defamatory about it when Gene Roddenberry was still alive. Voyager wasn't always that way, but when it was, it was definitely noticed and hard to miss.

[@FatalCharade]

@@jameswasil Technically speaking Gene Roddenberry would be considered an SJW by today's standards. Considering star trek has been preaching "SJW bullshit" since the civil rights era in the mid 1960's. If it bothers you that much my suggestion to you would be to quit watching star trek. Because trust me if Gene were alive today he wouldn't want you watching his shit.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

@@FatalCharade Probably why shows like DS9 were the best. They showed what actual people would do, not make believe characters.

[@JamesNYCGuy3]

I reading a lot of people bashing Captain Janeway. But it was about respect. It was hurtful on both ends. But Janeway had to Captain Non-Starfleet crew members and Chakotay needed to see Janeway as a true solid Captain. Everyone knew she needed to still discipline all disobeying crew members no matter what rank they have or how personal they were to her. No exceptions!

[@chrismc410]

A simple flogging would have sufficed.

[@blueskybelyr]

They were 5 years into their journey at this point, and the entire crew were past the Starfleet/Maquis rivalries. They were genuinely close friends. I think Janeway was right to be pissed but the solitary confinement thing is a bit intense. There is a chain of command, but they're also friends...idk I wish that relationship was explored a bit more. It's complex when you have to be in charge of the only people you interact with regularly.

[@robjackson5245]

I don't think anyone argues against that. What people argue is that Janeway comes off as a "Seinfeld"-hating Allied liberal hypocrite. Starfleet at its finest. Her decisions speak for themselves.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

Don’t worry. Voyager was episodic rather than story arc. He’ll be up to Admiral in a few episodes. This is why DS9 kicks voyagers ass in terms of interweaving story acts, consistent character development and consequences for actions.

[@mgkpraesi]

DS9's Religion BS was annoying.

[@TheRealLaughingGravy]

No thanks. DS9's constant twists and shifting alliances grew tiresome - and the hammy overacting was hysterical. Shatner would have seemed like a shy introvert on DS9.

[@montetude_tripple2706]

@@mgkpraesi Why? Because it presented religion in a respectful manner and didn't take every opportunity to shit on it.

[@benyseus6325]

@@montetude_tripple2706 at least voyager didn’t have its crew play hop scotch

[@montetude_tripple2706]

@@benyseus6325 you know what... That's fair. But at least DS9 doesn't have "Threshold"

[@Liglerian]

Love how the captains are the only ones to break the rules, but most are okay, and not demoted... hypocrisy at its finest..

[@The_JL_Podcast]

He saved Voyager and crew and gets slapped down.

[@aperson22222]

This was one of the handful of episodes that actually made use of the secondary characters’ very interesting traits. Scenes like this just make me wish there’d been more of them. We’d have had a fine show if there had.

[@GoingtoHecq]

Solitary confinement is a form of torture that is totally unfit for star fleet. Moments like that really show the badwriting in some of the series

[@JenkoRun]

Agreed. What's worse is this form of torture is inhumane.

[@mickeye6428]

No it isn't.

[@tgm9991]

Just no and it's barely solitary confinement he had access to a PADD he was brought meals from the mess hall 3 times a day and could have visitors if anything he had too many privileges for someone being punished.

[@JenkoRun]

@@tgm9991 I hope you never get a job as a warden for the sake of the inmates.

[@mickeye6428]

@@JenkoRun Yeah, as if anyone in the US prison system wouldn't take this over reality in a heartbeat. You lead a privileged life if you think this is atrocious.

[@insaneapples1559]

That's him after 30 days? I'd have a giant beard.

[@chaosconspectus]

he can shave, brush his teeth and shower when in confinement...

[@dphorgan]

Sure. Maybe a neck beard.

[@richardlahan7068]

I'm sure he was allowed to perform personal hygiene during his time in the brig.

[@ryanduckering]

@@richardlahan7068 30 days in the brig with a padlocked diaper.

[@WitchKira]

Beards come with rank. He lost his.

[@joelmccreaandfamily9469]

Isnt this the same guy...that took back the Voyager and saved everyone stranded on that planet? Wow...another reason Ive never liked Janeway. She can break the rules whenever she pleases...

[@cadkls]

@@jameswasil Hardly, she still stands by her moral code

[@jameswasil]

@@cadkls She has no moral code. She only knows hypocrisy and how to attack others for what they do, never for what she does herself, which is often times more wrong than what her subordinates ever did.

[@playking667]

jameswasil I’m going to redirect you to her multiple attempts to sacrifice herself for her crew, particularly when they were crossing the void and she was going to strand herself to destroy the vortex so her crew would get home faster....

[@HappyLarry.]

@dark zeratul That's just so incorrect. You do know it's simply because of the writing of the show...right? The whole episode was doing what you believe in despite the consequences, so for him to be reprimanded they had to have Janeway do it.

[@michaelmclaughlin261]

...exactly, he should have asked Janeway take that into account and give him a mulligan. ;)

[@blackwaterhousecork5182]

Resign your Commission, become a Civilian. More Room for Principles and Less Responsibility. Win - Win.

[@chrismc410]

Probably also means put off the ship at the nearest warp-capable, Class‐L or higher planet capable of supporting humaniod life or an uninhabited planet like Kirk did Khan. Short of a miracle, he'd never see Earth or the Alpha Quadrant again. Resigning in thar situation would be a hard choice

[@jadefalcon001]

Solitary is internationally recognized as a method of torture. 30 days of solitary confinement causes permanent psychological harm.

[@shazattack3711]

He had a data pad, which means he got reading material at a minimum… sounds scary.

[@sethtubman647]

You forget.... there's torture and there's the Jane-way. She tortured and nearly killed a Starfleet crewman because he wouldn't divulge his captain's whereabouts... Chakotay had to stop her and then she relieved him of duty. If I had been on that ship, there would have been either a mutiny or a dead captain very, very quickly. The woman was a putz.

[@cadkls]

Torture? Sounds like bliss

[@mickeye6428]

You're wrong.

[@Isabelle-xp9vm]

@m_train Gaming 4 months late, but that's not made-up. It is internationally understood that 30 days of solitary confinement would indeed give you permanent psychological damage. It's considered as a form of torture and is heavily spoken out against worldwide. You're welcome to look up articles or just google anything about it, really.

[@RandallHallKaizenReiki]

His re-promotion was just another symptom of a major problem with the whole Voyager show - no consequences. With only a few exceptions, nothing that happened to the ship carried over into a future episode. Characters also reset at the beginning of each episode. It really made it hard to stay engaged.

[@guytremblay1647]

his repromotion was a consequence from being stranded 75 thousand light years from their home .Having only a handfull of people qualified to have the grade makes it a lot harder to demote one for very long

[@HappyLarry.]

you know many people you can promote when you have the same people on your ship? It's trying to show consequences to his actions, it's a record of him disobeying an order and being punished for that.

[@raterus]

TNG was the same way, so was TOS. DS9 was the first to carry long story arcs.

[@jamesb.8940]

Who’s [not] going to become an Admiral ? Tom did the right thing...on balance.

[@OneofInfinity.]

First thing I'd say after the thirty days: Are we there yet?

[@highjim7778]

demoting him while stranded far away is pointless, he still did the exact same job

[@lynnpoint6395]

Well, demotion means loss of pay and benefits. He was presumably demoted two ranks AND TWO PAY GRADES. Sure, he doesn't have anywhere to spend the money, but the amount going into his back-pay account would be going down significantly. (And to those who say there is no "money" in Star Trek...uh, the writers in their more utopian moments try to say that here and there, but then there are multiple references throughout canon that indicate there IS. And since a moneyless society makes almost no sense whatsoever, I'm going with the idea that money does still serve as a means of reward and for allocation of resources.)

[@nicolasg7601]

Actually Voyager establishes that it’d mean he has less ration credits and holodeck time.

[@demoniack81]

@@lynnpoint6395 Yeah, a moneyless society is not feasible unless you have literally _infinite_ resources. "Money doesn't exist" would mean that every Federation citizen should be entitled to whatever they want. Can I as a random person ask for and be granted my own Galaxy class ship? What about my own moon? If I can't, then those resources must be allocated according to some ranking, and you can call it however you want but at the end of the day that's equivalent to money. Just because everyone can have basic necessities like a house _somewhere_ and basic food and commodities for free, it doesn't mean that money has magically disappeared. It just means they have more encompassing welfare than we have today.

[@jamesedwards7237]

you would think the enlightened starfleet would have got rid of solitary confinement.

[@tyhy1]

there was a security guy standing right outside his quarters. so, its not that solitary.

[@sethtubman647]

Enlightened Starfleet did... Janeway never did.

[@chrishubbard64]

Should janeway have locked up a few more people to give him company?

[@AtTheEnd1000]

I love it when Blana pulls rank!

[@hebrewyisraeliteyahawadahite]

*Tom Paris dealing with being demoted to Ensign + sentenced to prison*

[@LIBERALGUNSMOKER]

His Gayness Baron von Cockenknocken lol

[@Pedro_Kantor]

They should have done an episode or two with Tom in the brig. To show how much he's needed at the helm.

[@jcampezzi1027]

They did.

[@nimbly1693]

Great episode.

[@Shadowstar395]

This was always one of the major reasons that I never like Janeway. She was such a hypocrite. It was all right for her to do whatever she wanted, even breaking the major rules of Star Fleet. Her reasoning, oh I'm doing it for the benefit of my crew. Yet when someone else like Tom tries to help others for a similar reason, it's the worst thing in the world. It's a wonder to me that there weren't more mutinies when you have to deal with a leader like that.

[@timriggins70]

Shadowstar395 While other crew members steal tech from another civilization which almost damages the ship and they receive no consequences.

[@joshuas.169]

Tim Riggins Because those people are vital to the ship's operation. Paris is just a helmsman.

[@Cyberbyte_010]

I wish i was a character in this at this point, i would have said, 'You are a good Starfleet officer, but you are not a good Captain' Kate Mulgrew's performance in voyager was great, but her character suffered greatly in writing. always flipping on choices, making her a hypocrite during the 7 years. Putting her own righteous viewpoint over the safety of her crew. I like voyager, but sometimes i have to put aside whats wrong with it to actually enjoy it....

[@dapranak]

the privilege of being captain. you confuse a lot of situation by forgetting the rank. starfleet is like an army. works like an army

[@martind2520]

Indeed. The captain's job is to make the hard decisions. If a captain's job was to follow the regulations blindly then it could be done by a robot. The whole point of being a captain is that you have the experience to understand when the regulations might need to be bent. While the job of a lieutenant is to follow the captain's orders. There is a significant difference between not following regulations and not following orders.

[@cairosilver2932]

"Your 30 days are up" "How many adventures did you have while I was in there" "...30" "Dammit!"

[@jameswasil3179]

Tom: "What else did I miss?" Tuvok: "Just Ensign Kim playing The Blind Kung Fu Master on a spaceship in the holodeck for an SNL skit reenactment" Tom: "Dammit" Harry Kim: "Dammit" Bobby Lee: Dammit!" Janeway: "Who said that?" ???: "I am everywhere and I am nowhere...it is I, the blind Kung Fu mastaaa!"

[@AndrewChapman]

Tuvok: But you will be relieved to hear that Mr. Kim has still not been promoted from ensign. Tom: Oh good, didn't miss much there then. And especially now I've been demoted to ensign.

[@evertonporter7887]

In real time, just 4 episodes😁.

[@poptya]

"You're free for dinner" "0700"

[@cobblerwillorange]

"My Quarters, 7 in the morning for Dinner." 🤣

[@realekedolphin]

B'ehlanna's reaction to Paris made me think of the line from "A Few Good Men". "There is nothing sexier than a woman you have to salute in the morning."

[@SeanMaccaUK]

'If you haven't gotten a blow-job from a superior officer, well, you're just letting the best in life pass you by.'

[@Badbaby72]

SeanMaccaUK You’re disgusting

[@PouchMaster]

Tom Paris was the coolest of Voyager's crew! Who does she think she is putting him in the brig like that!

[@davfree9732]

A disobedient officer who misappropriated StarFleet property to attack a defenseless civilian air refinery, against her explicit orders.

[@Apoc2K]

I find it super funny that Tom's punishment for actual terrorism is sharing a rank with Kim.

[@VestedUTuber]

No good deed goes unpunished...

[@mpittard21]

I find it hilarious that he got demoted then promoted all before Kim got a single promotion all because 'someone has to be the ensign' .

[@DelcoRanz93]

Yeah, they could've left Tom as the Ensign after this and Made Harry the Lieutenant.

[@sethtubman647]

@@DelcoRanz93 That would have required original thinking, something that was not permitted on the "Voyager" writing staff.

[@peachesrambo4037]

if I was him after the 30 days, I would have told that idiot captian that I had forgotten how to fly the ship and that had no more desire to relearn it. And that I would rather be a crew member and let them try to do it themselves. She was the absolute worse captian ever.

[@marrqi7wini54]

Be lucky that this is star trek. If it had been like most other Sci-fi series or even a harsher captain, you would have been ejected into space/shot and it would be classified as either an accident or proper and appropriate punishment for insubordination.

[@pumpkin462]

This scarred me for life when I first saw this at age 11

[@AdmiralKarelia]

Dinner with B'Elanna in her quarters at 0700? Where I come from, we have dinner in the evening, not 7 o'clock in the morning.

[@Crunkboy415]

Maybe she's on the night shift.

[@HALOX30]

There is no day or night cycle in space, but i get where you are comming from.

[@Deadpool_64]

It was a figure of speech, she didn't literally mean dinner, the meal you eat in the evening. She was probably on the late shift, and it would be her dinner.

[@TheVergile]

this is ship time. Her sleep schedule may diverge from what you would normally expect depending on her shift. Since there is no day/night cycle time becomes somewhat arbitrary. She probably works from 2200 til 0600 eats dinner afterwards and goes to bed.

[@andrewkostecka1827]

I guess you don't watch Star Trek. Day and night shifts have been mentioned a few times, at least.

[@sirarnie9837]

Yet all Worf has to do is remove his comm badge and he literally gets a free pass to kill. He killed Duras and Gowron with no repercussions.

[@videojomo]

I get that he had to do a turn in the brig, but solitary confinement? That is just inhumane. Probably sounded like a cold, badass line to put in a script, but in practice? Counterproductive.

[@chrishubbard64]

Of course, he kinda has to be in solitary as there isnt precisely a large general population of prisoners there.

[@videojomo]

@@chrishubbard64 Yeah, and I have to believe that the whole brig experience in the 23rd century isn't as cruel as we see prisons today.

[@Ryuuranger]

What Janeway did to Tom was DISRESPECTFUL

[@tomparis9019]

A bad day, for sure. But, I still got promoted faster than Harry 🤣🤣🤣

[@redjack5034]

woah. 30 days is a lot for SC

[@shurue8628]

Does being an ensign even matter in his position? It's not like his helmsman duties would change. He's too good a pilot for that. It's a blow to the ego, sure, but functionally nothing would change until they all made it back to earth, at which point everyone on the crew is likely to get at least one promotion if not more just for surviving the trip.

[@TwilightMysts]

There would be some impacts. I don't know if they had a pay-check on Voyager (maybe bonus replicator rations based on pay grade?), but Paris could get pulled for crappy jobs, and he would no longer be able to lead interesting missions. Basically just "less steak dinners and more MREs".

[@VulgarTrader]

Solitary confinement is torture. Typical Janeway.

[@DaveTravelsinTime]

Tom paris is awesome

[@KingAdrock420]

Well at least this time when he broke the rules, he didn't get someone killed just to show off with a flashy shuttle maneuver...

[@Bargoth60]

To: Michael Lawton---that is not what Picard said to Data. Paraphrasing here: "Starfleet doesn't want officers who will blindly follow orders---you took into account all the factors, and I intend to mention that to Starfleet in my report," (pause). Mr. Data? Nicely done."

[@guziman1963]

30 solitary confinement, you would have thought that starfleet would have had more efficient punishments.

[@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406]

She's a beautiful woman. You can drown in her eyes.

[@joshuas.169]

The Voyager Redemption

[@decimatorentertainmentstud8523]

This is like how Leia demoted Poe for his disobedience

[@threebucks]

for following a plan she'd come up with, no less

[@evertonporter7887]

Except Janeway never slapped Paris in the face...

[@Heart2HeartBooks]

Paris...My favorite character

[@ShadowHunter120]

The rules still exist, and cannot be broken because you think you know better. Not everthing requires your intervention, sometimes pragmatism is the best approach.

[@TheVergile]

ranked below harry kim. ouch.

[@dudamara]

Permission to speak freely: Captain Picard is a superior captain. RIP Janeway

[@fenix310]

They should have promoted ensign Kim

[@a.d.clarke4990]

Tom gets demoted and then promoted AGAIN! Meanwhile years later Harry retires from Starfleet having been demoted to ACTING ensign at 97 years old! 😂

[@Bargoth60]

B'Lanna orders Tom to her quarters at 0700 for dinner....dinner at 7 a.m.??? Talk about a very LATE lunch...

[@ArtByAusup]

Wait wait wait wait... ... "dinner"... at 0700 ?

[@renlentlesstourist7574]

Late shift!

[@norrinzelkarr8572]

Solitary confinement is now considered torture. It's great we're starting to catch up and exceed previous decade's imagination and mutual regard in at least one area.

[@YardworkWithJohn]

30 days in solitary, that's a pretty serious punishment.

[@288theabe]

Are we going to ignore the fact that brig doesn’t have a washroom? 🤢🤢

[@Goodiesfanful]

If you've read up on Starfleet brigs, you'll know they have "facilities such as a sink and toilet hidden behind a panel in the wall".

[@MassEffectFan113]

Ridiculous. She was not a flag officer. She wasn't in a position to make judgments like this.

[@AndrewChapman]

With Voyager being stranded in the Delta Quadrant and cut off from Starfleet, Janeway obviously feels she's as good as since she's the captain.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

As the most senior Starfleet officer in the quadrant I think she's pretty much in a position of unrivaled authority as far as the voyager crew cares, they can't exactly conplain to Starfleets internal investigation branch from the delta quadrant.

[@solarisone1082]

You're kidding, right? In Star Trek, captains have much wider latitude on such matters than in real life. This is true even back home. How much more in the Delta Quadrant?

[@TheVergile]

Of course - she was exactly in the position to do so. Starfleet captains do have the authority and responsibility to decide on disciplinary matters on their ship. Thats true even in the Alpha Quadrant. Additionally, being stranded without communications with Starfleet command, she - as the highest ranking officer - has even more authority.

[@tssf]

Dinner at 0700? That's an early dinner

[@datboiderrty]

His wife couldn’t wait to pull rank on him😂

[@sword4005]

and he got a demotion but didn't lose his position as as one of the command staff

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Dark Kronis Probably because they need him, I mean who else knows how to helm the ship as well as he does, and they aren't going to get any new crew transfers in soon.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Well of course the reality is that the scenes wouldn't be as good showing him as an isolated member of the waste extraction crew for the remainder of the series.

[@Theri4444]

well of course they are going to let him stay on the command staff because if you remember in the very first episode it is stated that Tom Paris is the best pilot in all of starfleet

[@sethtubman647]

@@Theri4444 Tom Paris said he was the best pilot in Starfleet. He was aboard as an official observer, nothing more.

[@atomfusion231]

I love it how after this video Janeway gives him back him his rank :3

[@Theri4444]

wasn't that like a season later though

[@Steven-lz7on]

30 days in that cell would be so boring. I would probably go insane with boredom.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

To have Janeway dress someone down for acting unlawfully and unethically is rather a case of hipocisy.

[@jasonrooster9866]

You may want to shave... He has like, maybe a 5 o clock shadow?

[@gorbachev-1986]

Why is the Federation, an enlightened, egalitarian organisation still practicing solitary confinement in the 24th century despite its known psychological detriments to the detainee? Paris must have had a hell of a counseling session with the doctor.

[@Oldspartan65]

He should have resigned and then walked up to her seat on the bridge and pissed on it

[@Batou3]

Curtis Napier and then what? They in the middle of nowhere

[@rhettorical]

Always wondered if the moment Voyager came through the transwarp conduit, Admiral Paris got a notification that he had a new email from Tom.

[@threebucks]

Earlier than that. There was a chunk of the series where they were periodically in contact with earth via a comsat network and whatnot.

[@Megatron-sl5us]

This is stupid. Janeway breaks the rules all the time. No one questions her. No one disciplines her. Janeway claims all Voyager crew are to follow the prime directive except for the exception: Captain Janeway.

[@solarisone1082]

Who's going to discipline her? Every Starfleet officer in the quadrant is either under her command, or under the command of captain with less seniority.

[@solarisone1082]

In the real-life navy, she would be considered Senior Officer Present Afloat, since there are no flag officers around.

[@TheVergile]

its not about breaking rules, but breaking chain of command. she was put in the position of captain because starfleet trusted her to make the decisions in the field and decide when rules need to be followed and when it is impossible to do so. Additionally she IS the highest ranking officer in all the delta quadrant. Tom Paris was not in that position. If he wants to make his own decisions as a person that is fine. But as an officer he has to uphold the chain of command. If he cant do so he is still welcome to serve as ensign, but has no place to be an officer on the ship

[@IamMonikaDLC]

She's the boss, deal with it. Besides this was earlier in the journey..she did start to loosen up later, the crew disobeyed her plenty of times and out right mutany toward EndGame when she wanted to go alone in a shuttle.

[@timothygibney159]

@@IamMonikaDLC I think he was demoted to prevent a mutiny and set an example to those not from Star Fleet. They would eat a weak captain alive if left and I would do the same in her shoes

[@LordTalax]

Torres wanted him badly once he got out of the brig.

[@hannahhale2518]

He really did need a promotion after how many times he was the one that ended up saving voyager. Look there goes Paris again picking up after you guys😂😆

[@matthewcromer5399]

They should’ve made Harry Kim commander and chief of star fleet for Star Trek Picard 🤣