Canon G7X Mark iii: Why I'm not buying one

[@MadeFokker]

3:12 "No ! Are you allright ?" 🤣😂

[@tomedwards81]

Sleeping Bali Nomad haha yeah that old lady was hilarious 😂

[@SpaceGhostNZ]

@@tomedwards81 That was brilliant, glad you left it in!

[@tomedwards81]

Barnaby Fredric thanks. I enjoy those sorts of things :-)

[@Scott2436]

I actually can’t wait for this camera! I don’t vlog but I will be using this as my travel camera. 4K is a HUGE deal when filming landscape video. I loved the Mark 2 but I need 4K for those landscape/vista shots. This camera checks all the boxes for me and it fits in my pocket. Would have loved DPAF but again I don’t vlog and never had a problem with the Mark 2

[@tomedwards81]

I’m pleased you’re looking forward to it. Sounds like an ideal camera for your needs. Let me know how you go after you get your hands on one.

[@cainarnold1]

The fact this is the majority of people do not even shoot in 4k because the files away too big and they're really hard to transfer and takes up too much time 1080p is absolutely perfect for KZbin videos

[@tomedwards81]

Couldn’t agree more. Thanks for the comment.

[@davex142]

DPAF... In case you didn´t notice, canon does not currently have one inch (or smaller) sensor that has DPAF. It is onboard the sensor, hardware thing. Cannot fix it with firmware update. These are the cameras from Canon that have DPAF: C100, C200 and C300 cinema cameras,M5, M6 and M50 mirrorless cameras, 1 DX Mark II, 5D Mark IV, 6D Mark II, 7D markII, 70D, 77D, 80D, Rebel T71 (also known as the EOS 800D) and the Rebel SL2 (EOS 200D) DSLRs.

[@tomedwards81]

Dave X hi Dave. Canon actually do make a 1 inch sensor with dual pixel af that they use in their camcorders. Check out the Vixia GX10 as an example. They went with a Sony sensor in the G7X which is why there’s no DPAF. It’s assumed to be the one from the RX100 Mark iv so no phase detection af. I guess Sony wouldn’t sell them their latest version, or Canon wouldn’t pay for it!

[@davex142]

Tom Edwards of course, I should have phrased it more exactly. Canon does not have one inch sensor, that is usable in hybrid mirrorless cameras and has DPAF. The sensor you mentioned is 8megapixels camcorder sensor and shoots 4K pixel exactly, for stills is a big no no.

[@tomedwards81]

I would actually like it if they put an 8 megapixel sensor in a hybrid camera. I’ve don’t tend to print larger than 8”x12” or 8”x10” so that would still give me 300dpi which is more than enough detail. But they won’t because marketing has convinced everyone they need lots of megapixels, even though most people don’t even print their photos anymore. And if they do it’s usually just 4x6. Perhaps 12 megapixels is a good compromise (like the Sony A7s) although I doubt it will happen.

[@FnBliftz]

Hey dude I saw this mic on iJustine's vid its a little mic that plugs directly into the camera so you don't need a extension its called the Saramonic SR-XM1

[@tomedwards81]

Yeah the good thing about that is that it has a hinge so you can point it in the direction you want. I have the Edutige ETM-001 which is even smaller, but no hinge.

[@flowingwater6813]

Did they fix the “Dust getting inside the lens”??

[@tomedwards81]

No mention of it so no. It’s always a risk with fixed lens cameras. Still, some weather sealing would have been nice.

[@fredpearson5204]

Well, since it's not environmentally sealed, what do you think? If you want that, buy a bigger, better camera. Still want something you can throw in your jeans pocket that doesn't cost a fortune? It's not gonna be sealed.

[@RyanChowansky]

Dude how the hell do you have so many thumbs down? Wow! This g7xiii has been a major disappointment. I’ve posted some real life vlogs where I need to stop what I’m doing just to catch a focus. Sad deal.

[@tomedwards81]

Ah that’s just KZbin I guess. People are very quick to be negative. I don’t take any notice! I had a look at your video and agree about the poor focus. Hopefully Canon fix it, but I was out as soon as I saw no dual pixel af. Maybe in the Mark iv that should come out in 2022 and cost $1200!

[@RyanChowansky]

Tom Edwards good attitude towards haters for sure. Yeah the DPAF in the RX100 vii has me willing to spend the extra. Going to hike Kilimanjaro and do a safari next month and don’t want to lug the 80d or a7sii. Need something tiny.

[@tomedwards81]

Haters gonna hate! GoPro?

[@MrKeepingitrealau]

You outlined some major flaws in canons trip down "video lane" . One major aspect being battery life. Thanks for expressing your view.

[@tomedwards81]

Thanks mate and yeah, battery life has taken a hit. I guess it’s not the hardest thing to buy a couple of spares. USB charging/continuous power is a nice feature as well. That overheating though!

[@MandoTEC]

You’re right. What mic did you use for this video?

[@tomedwards81]

Thanks. I used a Rode VideoMicro shotgun mic. I’ll make a video about my GoPro rig soon.

[@garrygadget]

what are you filming on,it seems very dull image and soft focus?

[@tomedwards81]

GoPro Hero7 Black. I made the mistake of shooting with the flat profile. That's why it doesn't look very good.

[@garrygadget]

@@tomedwards81 that explains it. I use my hero 7 more than any other camera I own as they are so versatile aren't they

[@tomedwards81]

Garry Gadget yes that’s true. I use mine more and more often these days. So convenient for most things. I’ll be sure to use GoPro Color next time!

[@bryanbuff]

Agreed on the complaints about 30fps. Just edit in a 24fps timeline. The overheating is common in smaller cameras. The newest Sony RX100 still has a 5 minute time limit (Canon seems to be 10 min). For the mic, I just clip the little Rode wireless GO receiver to the wrist strap when there’s not cold shoe. I’m looking at the pros more than the cons (mic input, usb-c, 4K no crop, Digic 8, picture profiles, etc.) Those are all worthwhile additions that IMO warrant an upgrade.

[@tomedwards81]

Ah yes, I forgot to mention the 4K recording limit! Not uncommon amongst compacts as you say. Indeed there are some nice upgrades and I’m sure it will be a popular camera for KZbin. Perhaps my expectations became a little too high after such a long wait, but I do think no dual pixel autofocus is a glaring omission. Anyway, I hope you enjoy your G7X Mark iii when you get it and enjoy making some great content with it. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@bryanbuff]

I should’ve clarified that the 10 min limit is with 4K (5 min limit on the Sony RX100V). I’m guessing the DPAF was a processing limitation, but haven’t read anything definitive on why they didn’t/couldn’t add that. That would’ve been amazing.

[@basslover352]

The mk7 rx100 CAN shoot unlimited 4k as long as you turn the power off temp to high(previous rx 100's didn't have this option). Art of photography was able to record for 1 hour straight to the point where to the battery died.

[@tomedwards81]

Bryan Buffinton nice time maybe. Just wait three years!

[@tomedwards81]

basslover352 looks like a great camera but my god it’s expensive.

[@ZRKREVIEWS]

companies dnt put all eggs in one basket remember that

[@tomedwards81]

Yeah they always hold stuff back.

[@ChristianLawrence]

Cheers Tom. You pretty much summed up my thoughts. I was really disappointed with the Wex review results and the overheating. A dilemma for me now!😱 what to get that's pocket sized for photography and vlogging. It still might be the best option on the market for features and size. Any other recommendations? I have GPro6, but be interested to see what they release this year to raise the bar on the competition.

[@tomedwards81]

It could still be an option, but personally - at the launch price - I won't be taking the plunge. You could wait and see what Sony does with the next RX100 camera. If they weren't already going to put a mic input in that I bet they will now. The GoPro Hero8 (expected later this year) might be another option, but you've got to be happy with an action camera and all that entails. I stopped vlogging with interchangeable lens cameras last year so I don't know what's happening on that front but there might be some possibilities there. Good luck and thanks for watching!

[@ChristianLawrence]

@@tomedwards81 cheers, yes rx100 could be an option. I was hoping for a release last week. May be the mic is being put in as we speak 😆. Willbhave to wait and see 👍👍

[@tomedwards81]

Christian Lawrence Photography they just announced it. Looks great but $$$$$

[@ChristianLawrence]

@@tomedwards81 thanks Tom. Yeah it's quite a beast. No nd filter on it like the mk vi. I haven't used a built nd, but I know on the bigger cameras video can be useless on a bright day if trying to match fps to ss. What are your thoughts. I did see a spec sheet for the canon m50 mk ii the other day, looks good (no crop or recording limit in 4k etc apparently). But not really pocket sized.

[@tomedwards81]

Personally for me, a camera without a ND or the ability to attach one is useless. I use a Panasonic GH5 nearly everyday at work and I almost always use a variable ND filter. For pocket sized photography and vlogging it deceptively tough to find a do it all camera. There will always be compromises. I'd take a look at the Canon M50. It's a great value little camera that does most things quite well.

[@mb-watches]

Interesting thoughts, thanks for that 👍🏻 I really am psyched when I see the specs. 4K looked sharp and slomo not as bad. My second camera at the moment is the m100 and for quick and dirty vids or traveling it’s ok. But I really do consider the g7xm3: Microphone jack, ok 4K, good Full HD... hmm have to think it through. On the other hand the m100 has the Better Sensor and I can record the sound with my recorder. I will wait until it’s out and after 1 year on the market price should be better plus Software updates might improve the super slomo ... lets see. Would you flip the m100 for the g7?? (Mainly shooting in a studio, sometimes on the go)

[@tomedwards81]

I have the M100 and I see it as a very different camera from the G7X Mark iii. I use my M100 mostly for photography (with the 22m f2 lens). When I shoot video with the M100 it’s on a tripod with audio recorded separately on a Zoom H1n. I don’t ‘vlog’ with it per se. Good idea to wait for the price of the G7X Mark iii to drop before you buy, although I wouldn’t hold my breath for a firmware update from Canon.

[@XhristinaMacey]

£700 wow the mk2 was £500, yes he hero 7 is a roughed camera compared to a canon I’m with you on the mk3 Tom

[@tomedwards81]

Too pricey for me mate. I take it you won’t be upgrading from your Mark ii any time soon then?

[@XhristinaMacey]

I wonder if they’ve sorted the dust problem out the dust inside the lens the mk2 gets clogged quite easy, nice review Tom

[@tomedwards81]

That’s a good point and no, I don’t think they’ve addressed that Ian. Canon mentioned something about more rugged iris blades but nothing about weather selling. I wish they would ditch the lens design and give us a filter thread so we can attach a UV filter to protect the glass.

[@EmilyJoyMusic]

Hey mate! What would you recommend for vlogging then that is compact, has a flip screen to see yourself and good inbuilt stabilisation ? :) Thanks!

[@tomedwards81]

Hi Emily. You could look at the Sony RX100 V (expensive but packed full of features). The DJI Osmo Action cam, which doesn’t have a flip screen but rather an extra front facing screen so you can still see yourself. Stabilisation is excellent but it won’t be as good in low light due to the smaller sensor. If you want to save some money then you could get the Canon G7X Mark ii. It ticks your boxes despite being three years old, but it doesn’t have the best autofocus in video (not terrible though). Don’t rule out the Canon G7X Mark iii either. I’m just disappointed about some of its shortcomings, but they may not be as big a deal for you. Take a look at some reviews and test footage on KZbin and decide for yourself whether it does what you want it to do. Good luck!

[@EmilyJoyMusic]

@@tomedwards81 This is great advice!! Thank you so much!!

[@tomedwards81]

My pleasure :-)

[@JoeCnNd]

I've always had a hard time telling the difference between 4k and 1080p with canon but this camera I could really tell. It looked bad in 1080p.

[@tomedwards81]

Would you shoot in 4K then? I remember when I first looked at the files from my Panasonic G85 and I was blown away by the sharpness in 1080p. Since then I’ve put up with slightly softer video from Canon because of dual pixel af. That’s why not having it in the G7X Mark iii is such a let down. For a fairly pricey Canon camera in 2019 that’s a joke, in my opinion.

[@JoeCnNd]

@@tomedwards81 well the problem is overheating. Not sure how long the camera can shoot.

[@tomedwards81]

JoeCnNd I agree. I was shocked when I heard about the overheating. That’s never been an issue with Canon. I would have thought that with the amount of time they took to create a compact camera that shoots 4K they would have found a way of avoiding overheating. Especially considering the fact that they’ve limited the 4K recording time to 10 mins.

[@BLUELawin]

If im the designer of Canon G7X.. i will change the Lens of it.. it should be replaceble and can be used by long Lens..and its video can be controlled remotel by any phones connection... and its battery should Last for one week with no charge.,and it can be used for any Live video connection also .. the michrophone must be on both side of camera and must be powerfuL the design is like a headphone but no chords.. it can be connected and controlled any drones also...

[@tomedwards81]

That would be very ambitious and very interesting!

[@fredpearson5204]

So...a "compact" camera you can put in your pants WITH and interchangeable lens (you would ostensibly also have to carry around). And a camera battery that lasts a week (as if such an animal exists ANYWHERE in this universe). Also, one that shits soft serve ice cream and produces rainbows and unicorns would be nice. Any other requests? You realize how stupid you sound right now?

[@JayJay-db4ll]

Can I ask you your opinion should I buy the Canon gx7 Mark II or upgrade to the three?

[@tomedwards81]

If you need 4K, 120fps in 1080, fast burst shooting and would like to live stream to KZbin then get the Mark iii. If you don’t need these features and would like to save money get the Mark ii.

[@marcotogni]

Tom Edwards everybody need 4k soon or later. Dumb

[@tomedwards81]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@fredpearson5204]

@@marcotogni, really? Why? Your comment is stupid--not everyone needs video capability on their CAMERA.

[@NitroJonScience]

Nice video! I'm quite happy with the M50. I guess the benefit of the G7X is that it's quite small in comparison to other, similarly-specked cameras.

[@tomedwards81]

There's nothing wrong with your M50. It's a great camera and no need to upgrade. While the G7X iii is compact the lens is fixed to the body, so if the front glass gets damaged or dust gets in the whole camera is more or less bricked. Plus if you attach a quality lens to the M50 like the 22mm f2 (you have it) or the 32mm f1.4 it blows the G7X iii out of the water in terms of image quality.

[@NitroJonScience]

Tom Edwards true... I was actually going to get the f1.4 but it cost ~900 dollars or something crazy so I pulled the plug on that idea. I actually used to have a little compact (Nikon Coolpix $80) that was buggered when I dropped it from 5cm onto a rock when at school camp.

[@tomedwards81]

NitroJon Science I too have ruled out getting it until I find a nice clean example on the second hand market.

[@RawkustvOfficial]

I think headline feature is the youtube live streaming, second is mic jack. I don't care about 4K.

[@tomedwards81]

Yeah the KZbin live streaming was a surprising innovation and really shows how Canon is catering to vloggers with the G7X Mark iii. It also has a beefed up screen hinge and a chunkier grip - both of which are welcome ergonomic improvements. The mic jack is fantastic but probably works best in a studio environment where you can attach a bracket for a shotgun mic. I also don’t really care about 4K at this stage.

[@RandomLifeProductions]

I think cannon is quite gimmicky at the moment, I was interested in the G7x but I’m not buying it right now.... The good need battery is the same...

[@tomedwards81]

I see. Thanks for watching.

[@rlawak177]

Do you know how many minutes until it overheat on 4k?

[@tomedwards81]

Not very long. Watch the Wex Photo review. She had problems with overheating in 4K.

[@gabrxlam]

What would you recommend instead of the g7x mark 3?

[@tomedwards81]

It depends on your specific needs, but generally speaking the G7 X Mark ii, one of the Sony RX100 models, the Canon M50, the Panasonic G85, or one of the latest Apple, Google or Samsung phones are all contenders. Apparently Canon is announcing some new mirrorless cameras at the end of August so you might want to wait until then to see what they come up with.

[@gabrxlam]

Tom Edwards thanks dude. I was looking for a good camera that I could upload decent pictures to Instagram with. 🙂

[@tomedwards81]

@@gabrxlam no worries. Pretty much any modern camera will do the job for Insta.

[@korashortss]

Video quality looks poor...I swear... How canons engineer ruins everything without adding dual autofocus... just foolish 👍👍👍

[@tomedwards81]

A mistake in my view as well.

[@fishingqld]

I was waiting for the mark 3 to come out as well, what a disappointment. End up buying the gopro 7 black. What a great little camera. Cheers Pete

[@tomedwards81]

I recently bought the Hero 7 myself and have been using it a lot. Not perfect by any stretch, but a very capable camera indeed. Enjoy!

[@fishingqld]

You vids look nice and clear. Still playing around with settings. Just about there Cheers Pete

[@tomedwards81]

Homestead Ozz if you’re interested in my typical settings I use 2.7k 16:9 25fps linear with GoPro Color, sharpness low and -0.5 exp comp to preserve highlights. Except in this video I where I accidentally shot in the flat profile!

[@fishingqld]

@@tomedwards81 Thanks Tom, i will try that, much appreciated. Cheers

[@tomedwards81]

Homestead Ozz no worries. I forgot to mention that I also limit ISO to 400. The GoPro has a lot of noise at high ISOs but because it’s usually bright and sunny in Australia (and I normally film outside during the daytime) I can get away with keeping it to a low ISO.

[@marcotogni]

e sticazzi non comprarla

[@tomedwards81]

Si

[@grzesieklapy]

What do you suggest instead of g7x 3 or what may have premiere soon thx...

[@tomedwards81]

It depends. Tell me a bit about what kind of videos you like to make and I’ll try to make a recommendation.

[@grzesieklapy]

small like g7x mark 3

[@tomedwards81]

Podlasie Sony RX100 Mark 7 if you can afford it

[@NatesEscape]

Canon doesn't make sharp 4k? Well for $6000 they do 🤟😁

[@tomedwards81]

Haha I’ll give you that one.

[@NatesEscape]

@@tomedwards81 hahaha... I definitely agree with the g7x what a let down

[@justinscinema5960]

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[@justinscinema5960]

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[@justinscinema5960]

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[@MandoTEC]

I’m so sorry for this, but I think that CANON will test the human stupidity about this camera. It’s not possible that they made this piece of szH!t$@ $800 for this? Come on CANON. The worts autofocus ever 2019. So sad. I’ve been waiting for this camera for 3 years and this is all?. 🥺

[@tomedwards81]

I admit it is a bit of a disappointment. As I said in the video, I won’t be getting one at the launch price and possibly not ever.

[@floridahiker1503]

It's almost as bad as the sony rx100m5a but alot cheaper. The reviewer doesn't know anything about microphones.

[@tomedwards81]

I’m not sure I understand what you’re getting at. Can you elaborate a bit further?

[@UweBarnstein]

Tom Edwards A hotshoe with a mic will be a bad idea while using a selphi flip screen 😉

[@tomedwards81]

Uwe Barnstein that’s true.

[@trading_warrior]

New firmware 1.2.0

[@tomedwards81]

Any significant improvements?

[@justinscinema5960]

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