Did they get this one right? $120 Brushless XLF F17. Better than the 144001?

Was I little harsh on this one? Maybe a little bit, but it needs to be faster! The XLF F17 is certainly better than the brushed XLF F16. It's better quality than the Wltoys 144001, but it's performance is a little underwhelming.
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[@SpeedSyko]

I bought two 14001 wltoys and one gear mesh was so tight the wheels wouldn’t turn. The other one was fine. Both had no diff grease. I recommend going over all cars when u buy them. Arrma too. Fyi

[@filsdedieu100]

I had mine today and it's great , violent acceleration :-D

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

They're using that XLF X03/04 brushless motor and esc setup again by the looks of it, pity about the lack of power and speed... looks not that much faster than the brushed. good look at it Phil 👍

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, more punch, but no more speed!

[@Icanreadgood1]

28mph is just fine on a brushless motor. It was probably geared down to take the big wheels that's why its pretty slow with the smaller buggy wheels.

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, it's actually not that bad

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

@@TomleyRC yep i got a 1/10 SCT and its to fast but i ant racing just tooling around ..i swapped a 2 imex samurai SCT to brushless man i got them cheap to mod and sale a few

[@danielemulazzi1615]

Spettacolare...super fast ...bel video... è un missile questa XLF17 ... ciao Tomley

[@thepilotxproject4035]

Nice, honest review! You never disappoint...

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks dude

[@rchobbiesuk9492]

Next cheapo for me looks good 👍 Great video m8

[@TomleyRC]

Thank you

[@michelfrias7193]

Which one is better ? 16 or 17 ?

[@islandrc-duke1972]

Awesome run,rc,and review

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers mate

[@ed0c]

they have an f18 now. im debating on buying.

[@skyworx524]

Great overview between the two version. LC Racing seems to be on point with there EMB range.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, LC Racing are really good!

[@panzadeviborarc9613]

Great review Bro!! Now is better to play bashings on grave or off road!!

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, options.....we all like options!

[@NeoIsrafil]

Lmao, those monstertruck wheels...thats basically how we ended up with "truggy" lol... back when a time and a bit weren't really much different...

[@burling02]

Hey Tomley I have a xlf f 16 and I've converted it to brushless but I was wondering if you took apart the differentials and put grease in them, my differentials move very easily almost too easy in my opinion, and was wondering if you had packed them before running it I've asked a few KZbinrs that has popular videos of the xlf f16 but unfortunately didn't respond, any information helps And awesome breakdown of the xlf f16 and 17 there's not much information about these cars

[@earlmauger3961]

As many people have put brushless in the 144001, I'm very surprised wltoys hasn't released one. Any thoughts on why?

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, not sure why. Hopefully they will next year!

[@dan26uk]

Any plans to get the F18?

[@paulkauss5337]

Good info, good vid, keep up the good work.

[@modelnutty6503]

yup, they should have dropped in a 4000kv for 30-33% more speed.. 22 mph would have been 29, more like we'd expect from BL power.

[@icabodpsillycyberman414]

Id like to see those wheels on the EMB-T-could be fun. Youve got some bits and bobs lying around-must have a bigger motor/higher kv that'll drop straight in?

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah I probably have

[@nomore25]

As always, XLF and Xinlehong are more quality. I have 9125 and 12427. My 12427 esc died in just 4 days. Suspension and steering links are wobbly in 12427, hard to keep it straight. Ring gear to drive shaft gear mesh is too tight also. I had to leave a small gap to the upper differential case just to loosen the mesh. I've spent more than the car's cost just for the hobby grade electronics. My 9125 is more fun to drive even it is all stock. Very smooth gears and differential results to runs smooth and quiet. I must try this XLF F17. I'm a fan of XLF and Xinlehong 😁

[@filsdedieu100]

I agree . I have Q901 brushless : big motor for the size :-D

[@johnchapman6440]

Mine runs 3s lovely. Hardly warms up at all. Wing needs plasticard support.

[@rogueFactor]

them truggy boot were made for stompin' and that's wha tthey'll do!🎶🎶

[@TomleyRC]

haha

[@PopalongRC]

Awesome little buggy!

[@Krisper-pn1jz]

Thorse big wheels make it looks a lot better :)

[@TomleyRC]

hmmm..I'm not sure

[@MightyistheRCGamer]

Oh you had me laughing with that whole shoe thing you be proud of those Big shoes

[@TomleyRC]

haha

[@atdakore]

TAKES A BEATING, hella impressive actually!

[@lorenzobrogi4442]

hi tomley, I have an xlf f17 and twice my front differential broke ... I greased it and I didn't over-sress the car (I ride almost alone at home with drift wheels and I have original engine and batteries ) ... what do you advise me to do? are there any compatible differentials of a more resistant material?

[@filsdedieu100]

You can put a lithium-ion battery less powerful than the original li-po; for example li-ion 1000 ; 1300 or 1500 mah :-)

[@rccarsandmusic2641]

Definatley geared out of box for the bigger tires. Get a 3650 motor in there lol

[@johnadamo4402]

Sub and bell because you gave honest review. Good take.

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks John

[@nuevomundorc5097]

Can you use the same transmitter with f16 to f17 ?. I have the f16 but I want to buy the brushless esc to use with my transmitter f16

[@TomleyRC]

Not sure mate. Although both being the same, I’d guess it’s possible

[@nuevomundorc5097]

@@TomleyRC could you check that. Thank you so much.

[@jackdaniels2657]

I like how alot of components are metal its got gas shocks I think it's better then wl

[@benhockkey7835]

Are the shocks oil filled?

[@TomleyRC]

Yes

[@rchobbiesuk9492]

Looks awesome, what camera do you use in the garage to film the unboxing stuff??

[@TomleyRC]

Sony ZV-1

[@rchobbiesuk9492]

@@TomleyRC cheers m8

[@carloshnunez]

It looks like it perform better with the bigger tires

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, it's fun off road

[@wintersdawn]

Great video. I have heard that a brushless motor isn't necessarily faster than a brushed motor and maybe this video confirms that.

[@jackdaniels2657]

Brushless motors last longer though more reliable

[@c0t0netes]

What's the speed check thing you're using ? Thanks

[@fatdave4582]

So did you ever try and run it on 3s?

[@TomleyRC]

Never got around to it

[@fatdave4582]

Its pretty fast on zop 3s

[@atdakore]

THE F16 brushed one gets way too hot and lets the batteries discharge to 2.5v leaving the battery very hot. Kind of scary having that much heat in batteries. Transmitter is terrible. servo is okay! Drivetrain is incredible. Buy it to upgrade the electrics and it's still a bargain!

[@TomleyRC]

I didn't run a full battery through it, but did notice the heat in the motor!

[@roadstar499]

are all the 1/14 brand buggies wheels interchangable...? thanks

[@rcclan]

That hit to the curb i expected it to finish it fp to it

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, took it like a champ!

[@ilovejesus973]

Great video thank you.👍👍💯💯

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers dude

[@f.b.i.5580]

*Love it👍♥️*

[@nick92065]

They came out with the F18. Much better and faster.

[@jimmieparker8093]

I upgraded my 144001 with a new brushless setup...with esc and transmitter...i can run a 3s with no problem...it starts to get a little warm after bout 5 minutes but it has not effected the run time.....and my last speed test run was 58 mph....so im sticking with my 144001...lol lol...👍🏾

[@TomleyRC]

That's a decent speed!

[@jimmieparker8093]

@@TomleyRC its ok i guess...lol

[@oweckayx]

Hey, great videos, thank you for that :-) I have just one friendly sugestion. I really hate those slow motion shots you are throwing into videos. May you try some cellphone camera for slow motion footage? Mostly you can get like 120-240fps and sometimes even more from regular cellphone cameras. Or for example sony RX100 mark V shoot at 960fps at 720p that will be so much better :-)

[@TomleyRC]

The Hero 9 does 120fps @ 2700k, 240fps @ 1080p. You get a better picture using 4k @ 60fps. What is it in particular you don't like? I'm interested to know.

[@oweckayx]

@@TomleyRC At every video you put some good jump in slow motion but it is only slowed down 30/60fps and that looks imo horrible. If you will switch to 240fps and have some jumps separately in video, i believe it will increase quality of your videos. It is only minor complain and costructive critisism. Nothing personal and offensive :-)

[@TomleyRC]

@@oweckayx I’m not offended Tomas it’s fine. But at 60fps I only slow down to 2 or 3 times speed, so it should not look bad. Lots of people slow down to much and you get a jerky slow mo. 120 or 240 looses quality unless you ha e very good light. I do sometimes use 120fps 👍

[@oweckayx]

@@TomleyRC Maybe I am the only one who cares :-) This slowing of 60fps used to be normal like 6 yeary ago but today I thing is better to use higher rates. You will see how well it fits your style and if it is not too complicated to edit and stuff.

[@atdakore]

what off road rc track needs higher speeds? the straights never long enough to get high speeds, acceleration is what you want to measure for off road buggies.

[@filsdedieu100]

I completely agree with you :-)

[@SharkysGarageRCandMore]

So needs a wheely bar

[@HyperReality4]

I think the problem with the speed is the radio. The radio should be able to adjust the throttle. It would make a massive speed difference as well as punch.

[@TomleyRC]

It would be good to have some adjustment yeah

[@bsilva052886ify]

Can it do wheelies?

[@TomleyRC]

Not sure

[@roadstar499]

i am thinking with this car if you could find a brushless motor with a slightly higher kv (15%)that has same can and shaft size may work well with that esc... 38 mph on 2s would be nice..

[@RCOverKill]

Does this have metal diff cases?

[@admin5322]

Nope

[@filsdedieu100]

Yes

[@roadstar499]

maybe that was a crappy lipo you used? i have had cheap weak ass lipos and it makes all the difference...pop that in wltoys brushed one and do a test see if it runs slower with less punch..

[@stanis4554]

How manu cells the scn support?

[@stevemdelacruz5602]

Goes better with the big tires

[@TomleyRC]

Yes it does, more fun as well

[@RCModSquad]

I’m not sure if it was for the big wheels but the brushed version has a 16 tooth pinion and the brushless has a 14 tooth pinion. 😳🤷 😃

[@MightyistheRCGamer]

You should get one of these for the channel and change out the pinon gear and do 50 MPH

[@tmar352]

You mean pinion

[@RCModSquad]

@@tmar352 Yep! 😃👍

[@KeyenDahlOutdoors]

Does anyone know why my fc650 is only going forwards when I push the throttle to reverse?

[@stevemdelacruz5602]

Kool basher buggy

[@rccarsandmusic2641]

Always check controller throttle trim, if set to much to the left it will be slow

[@TomleyRC]

No throttle trim on this one ;)

[@rccarsandmusic2641]

@@TomleyRC I enjoy your honest reviews and upgrades

[@semperatis]

Sorry,but truggy wheels on a buggy platform just isn't right,it seems to run all right Phil.

[@crawlingnationrc4233]

Nice super good :))

[@mehimrc1314]

It's not a true brushless set up with a 2in1 esc still being used and for £110 that's shocking in my opinion. Metal parts over plastic we all know they have limitations the price though. If your gonna get a knockoff I'd stick with 144001 or 124019.

[@TomleyRC]

I've just got the 124018 & 019 in... I think they are going to be a good platform for upgrading (The chassis screw holes now look identical to the LWB LC Racing)

[@mehimrc1314]

@@TomleyRC Just got my 124019 this morning and its brilliant. Few tweaks needing done but it's the usual grease diff,sort shocks out... hope your shock caps aren't too tight lol

[@franknapolitano9144]

...For 1/14 scale, look to Lc Racing or better performance.

[@billy3650]

I'd get this buggy any day over the wltoys. This has all the aluminum upgrades already so harder to break. I'd just run a small 100c 3s in to get an easy 40 mph.

[@Vaterraman]

Aluminum should really only be used where strength is needed, but to eliminate flex, increase accuracy, and lower tolerances. It can help where mode weight is needed. It shouldn't be used ever for impact or shock. The shock damage more parts, like hinge pins, knuckles and hubs and axles. It's tedious to work on too, constantly using loctite, which makes things take longer to do. Aluminum, rather than springing back to shape or snapping, bends, even slightly, tweaking something. And I guarantee the Aluminum parts are more expensive.

[@Fonzierc]

💪 nice 👌

[@rupertnegus8491]

There is 3 modes I think on the remote for speed let me know

[@TomleyRC]

Not on this one mate.

[@richardriffle9773]

The one they sent me one of my tires is in the wrong way and the tires are glued to

[@piston_7]

Maybe it needs a bigger battery

[@TomleyRC]

Yes possibly

[@danielemulazzi1615]

Se si cambia il pignone del motore e si mette una lipo 3 celle diventa veloce... ciao

[@uctran1071]

what .F17 vs 144010

[@atdakore]

i wonder if they are slow because of the lack of throttle trim.

[@mikeholt7881]

Didn't try 3s? Facepalm...

[@TomleyRC]

I usually test everything stock on the first run, so you know what you are getting out the box

[@shanemcclain8562]

Put a higher kv motor in it

[@jackdaniels2657]

It's cus it need lipo 3 cell

[@BookdeMoisesoficial]

Show men

[@piston_7]

Second

[@bonezmc984]

My car overheatet!! dieses auto überhitzt zu schnell!!!

[@nick92065]

Get a Tacon Soar and be done with it. So much better. I change the connector program the ESC to run Lipo and it’s so much faster than these toy grade pieces of garbage.

[@TomleyRC]

These aren't really toy grade, they are entry level hobby grade

[@seanmacconnachie9499]

First

[@piston_7]

You passed me today Lets do a challenge ,who will comment first

[@f.b.i.5580]

Third

[@piston_7]

Lets do a challenge Who will comment first

[@f.b.i.5580]

Ok

[@piston_7]

@@f.b.i.5580 the challenge is on

[@f.b.i.5580]

@@piston_7 u won bro

[@piston_7]

@@f.b.i.5580 no The next video is when the challenge will begin