Analyzing the chess in Code Geass: I, LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA COMMANDS YOU, BLUNDER!

[@iowabochur]

Wouldn't Qg2?? be followed by Nxg2?

[@Tommylmao]

Lol you are correct, realized I actually had the board set up a bit incorrectly in the editor so yes that would be possible with the position on screen, hella awk

[@earthbind83]

@@Tommylmao lol, ok. In that case you probably already know that moving the black knight, followed by a checkmate on h2 wouldn't work either, right? :-) So, where was the white knight supposed to be instead?

[@Tommylmao]

earthbind83 looking at it closer it seems it’s in the right spot, I was looking at a similar board with the white knight on E2 instead of E3 when I was writing the script for the video but when I set up the board for the recording it was different than the one I based the script off of. Careless mistake on my part admittedly

[@earthbind83]

@@Tommylmao I see, that makes sense.

[@HD-fy2wu]

@@Tommylmao However wouldn't the alternative move (Knight to G4 then Queen to H2) not work if the knight was on E2 instead of E3? In that case, after white plays King to F1 after that, Black can no longer checkmate by Queen H1 as white can play Knight to G1 in this case, since it was on E2 instead of E3.

[@lowkey_Ioki]

*sacrifices king* "Checkmate" Well.... He's not _wrong_

[@Righttogrowth]

bro Do you guys know there is real Snizel (sorry for wrong spelling) living on earth. Watch Vidit Gujarati Vs Hikaru in which Vidit plays king Sacrifice by mistake. But that time game stops. lol

[@satyadeep_mishra]

@@Righttogrowth Yeah , I saw that 😂

[@marvelsandals4228]

Plot twist: he was trying to surrender because he was bored of playing the game.

[@owlflame]

I actually tried that strategy once. Just adding pieces to the board. My opponent said it was "illegal." But at least table girl wasn't there so I didn't need to go to the hospital.

[@fallingfloor6924]

It's chess but not chess. It's like playing league of legends and tower diving nexus turrets. It's about sending a message

[@krona2894]

Some absolute Chad stuff

[@davidcassion2495]

HAHAHA VOLIBEAR GO JUMP

[@hansvonzisimann44]

Towerdjving with half hp and no flash

[@randomperson5579]

Lelouch summons 3 pawns from the ether, Kaiba would be proud of such a "screw the rules" move

[@Sesshomaru1]

For the first game if he moved his queen there, it would be check not checkmate. You've forgotten about the Nobel's knight which would have killed the queen.

[@KhangNguyen-qn4bh]

Yes, I was confused too, it would end up not good for black

[@Maanjiro_g]

The way to solve it is by putting your knight to g4 and wait for opponent to kill your knight or if he dont then you can just kill it and then you can put your queen and do checkmate

[@nobody4741]

@@Maanjiro_g close but nope, if white plays Nxg4 (white knight takes black knight on g4) it checks the king

[@Maanjiro_g]

@@nobody4741 oh yea you are right

[@Maanjiro_g]

@@nobody4741 I guess another way to do it is by moving king to the right and making place for the rook to cover the queen and hence the opponent's king can't move at the moment we can have enough moves to place queen next to opponent's king

[@epyons8411]

finally someone did this holy moly

[@drawforge9640]

exactly

[@nicbentulan]

@@drawforge9640 I was about to say exactly.... Usually no one says exactly before me.... P.s. don't respond with exactly lol

[@cosmicgenesis1581]

2:20 thats check. Not checkmate. The knight on e3 could kill the queen.

[@Deathmare235]

I wish I didn’t see this

[@armaniplays5780]

I was so confused because it’s not checkmate

[@unknowngamer5768]

well think about this the knight is stopping black from checmating this happens to clovis army suzaku stops a checkmate by lelouch suzaku is the knight who stoped the checkmate

[@cosmicgenesis1581]

@@unknowngamer5768and? the video is still wrong. not checkmate.

[@unknowngamer5768]

@@cosmicgenesis1581 well yes idk why he didnt notice that even amateur can know that

[@David-hh8on]

ATTENTION EVERYONE! AT 2:09 THE CHECKMATE DOESNT WORK BECAUSE THE WHITE KNIGHT SUZAKU AT E3 PREVENTS IT FROM CHECK MATE GET THE JOKE? LOLOLOL

[@raggeddie]

I was thinking this too

[@manubishe]

I understand you have another suggestion - ?

[@David-hh8on]

@@manubishe what suggestions

[@manubishe]

@@David-hh8on for a better way to mate the king, while moving the black king first.

[@David-hh8on]

@@manubishe move the king and move the rook in

[@Blade.5786]

"It was in this position that the Table Girl tried to stab Lelouch for his embarrassing chess play." Sounds like Code Geass Abridged

[@Hazelnut668]

I love how lelouch plays bongcloud, I mean he always says the king must lead so it makes sense.

[@kemonomimi2924]

2:36 Couldn't white just move knight to g2?

[@Tommylmao]

Pinned comment

[@snugglypichu6881]

Lol I was thinking the same thing

[@Yunjuwo]

Was about to say the same thing but I'm glad someone noticed it too. Take my Like.

[@eiplays2768]

Ye. Suprisingly he missed that. Also thats intentional the white knight (suzaku) prevents lelouch from getting checkmate

[@josecarlosgutierrez5814]

Same thought

[@skittflash]

As someone who's free time has been eaten by Vtubers and Chess lately I find it hilarious your Korone video takes me straight to this agadmator vid lmao

[@Tommylmao]

Lol what are the odds

[@AnonymouslyForgotten]

@@Tommylmao well damn, no wonder I found you

[@carlwinn6180]

I was re-watching this like 3 days ago and asked myself/the air in front of me if anyone had actually figured out if any of the chess in this animoo was legitimate or realistic, and then this pops up and no, I didn't watch it on youtube, so the fact that this popped up truly is pretty neat luck

[@LINK1V4N]

KZbin now can use your mic for recomendations and also read your mind.

[@Kastor774]

I'm dying, has Agadmator seen this?

[@Tommylmao]

I was wondering if anyone would get the reference lol, he almost certainly hasn’t but would be cool if he did

[@melvenparmanum2378]

I was thinking the same thing

[@anonymousstout4759]

So what's the idea here?

[@igorz4582]

@@anonymousstout4759 he's parodying a popular chess analyzing channel called agadmator

[@SB-sg1jc]

Qg2 isn't checkmate because the Ne3 can capture‌. After plugging into stockfish, Kg6 is the only move to win.

[@kaitengiri]

4:10 Moving your king into a check or allowing it to remain in check is only illegal in international rules. Depending on the ruleset, that can be allowed, but would obviously make the player lose. For example, the US National Rules (which are the ones that are played mostly in New York, and very typically by those Chess sharks you see sitting around), the wording is that "You don't have to announce check"; "If a player makes a move that does not resolve the check, they automatically lose so long as the other player notices and declares this."; "It is okay for a player to make this statement by making an actual capture on the king." There's no real way for us to know what ruleset would be populated out in this world, especially in a world where America is no longer a dominant or relevant power, but who knows!

[@targun6063]

So, are there rulesets that allow for pieces to magically appear on the board? If you don't care about the rules, don't use it in a story and make up a non-existing game like they did in HxH, so the audience cannot go "that's bullshit", which breaks immersion. How chess was used in CG is just a testament of bad and lazy writing.

[@nicbentulan]

True. In this universe, there's not necessarily a FIDE. maybe the rule here is that the game ends in checkmate, stalemate or king capture. Or maybe the same rules with the intended metaphor idk

[@triguntoroyohanes158]

2:20 ... knight capture queen? Also i think white is not on check mate, based on your sequence. How about Kf1-ke1-knightf1?

[@rafiulhaque2838]

yup he totally missed that I was here to comment

[@dathaker727]

That would literally be another schneizel level king move. Look up how queens move. But your first statement is correct

[@ilyasbharata4831]

How about knight to g4?

[@IDESTROYER236]

Lelouch is the kind of man who would play Ke2 as second move.

[@Awesomejojo]

I would love to have that chess set they have in Code Geass. Very cool. I believe the the whole "king faceoff" is all symbolism just adding to the plot of the anime but we do have to keep in mind that this entire series has taken an alternate course of events. Chess itself could have evolved differently as well, meaning that the goal of the game itself might be to capture the king, not just checkmate it alone. It's just a theory could be far fetched.

[@samarthkabra7552]

Lelouch was never going to play Qg2, in the anime he played Kg3, which would be followed by Rh8 and then Qh1 checkmate. After Lelouch plays Rh8 there is actually nothing the noble can do to escape checkmate. Qg2 was never the idea.

[@mattriarchal]

"Lelouch as a master strategist" The unnamed britannian nobleman blundered sooooo hard at that first game wtf was that queen sac???

[@bryantndongmo4780]

It was a forced mate sequence

[@kevinvasconcellos8599]

I couldn't watch Code Gueas because of the chess game in the first episode. Supposedly the scene is there to say that the players are intelligent, it does just the opposite... White is literally tied, with no counterplay and everyone in the room looks like they learned chess a week ago.

[@nasmexican-]

4:22 It's worse step. The best step it's Kg5(on your desk Kg4). Zero must kill the last enemy king himself.

[@waynelow6580]

I love the agadmator parody HAHA

[@Hanyamanusiabiasa]

He is not wrong, he is trying to sacrifice king.

[@finnstuhaug4716]

Then we got game of shadows replicating an actual chess game to convey its themes

[@eliasbouhout1]

Since the pieces look different from the usual chess pieces it's possible that the rules are completely different too, or maybe they are playing chess but with a special ruleset

[@Tommylmao]

I hadn’t considered that, huh. You could be onto something there

[@anonymousstout4759]

I might be wrong but Soviet chess pieces design look like one in the anime ofc with slightly different but the long and pin design almost like they take the inspiration from it

[@naser1109]

@@Tommylmao it’s obvious

[@maru93-c1x]

Chess updated after thousands of years in their universe

[@pedrocacao1947]

i legit hope that this video is pure humor

[@larry-kapo-ya7326]

2:28 i think i not the only one who see that white horse sleeping

[@AlphaSeagull]

The writers planning these scenes be like: 1: Make it cinematic 2: include themes about the king needing to fight too 3: have it relate a lot to the story 4: make sure lelouch looks dumb to the audience but he's secretly got a plan 5: make him come back from unwinnable odds 6: make sure he doesn't give into Schneizel's intent 7 (scribbled out): hire one person who plays chess to work on the scene

[@cadbyobg8347]

2:34 The knight: checkmate??? But i can sacrifice myself...

[@binbim8183]

Nice one! Looking forward to seeing your videos on how mindfulness practice improves chess mastery

[@soubermed2175]

The horse is like Wtf i can catch that

[@ifyouseekay1000]

I know this video is 4 years old but thanks for showing that in the first game checkmate was possible. Its something ive always wondered

[@thatguywithquarters454]

So your saying instead of checkmating right then and there Lelouch styled on him to prove a point lmao

[@amirvakil779]

This chess match can be analyzed properly. It’s ironic that lelouch a rebel who is opposing the government (going against the law) is following the rules of chess initially whilst schenizel a person of high authority in the government (follows the law) is breaking the rules in chess. Lelouch also moving his king behind the pawn symbolizes lelouchs cowardice (going behind the weakest piece in the game) as he manipulates, wears a mask and initially hides behind people like a coward. We see with his deception with the black knights.

[@amirvakil779]

Lelouch playing the black piece emphasizes lelouchs innocence. The black piece always plays 2nd, always plays in response to what the white piece does. Lelouch simply responding to what white does can be applied to lelouchs actions. Lelouchs actions all stem from his disownment and the death of his mother he is simply “responding” to what his father has done to him. It also surely isn’t a coincidence that the person who lelouch is respond to in this chess game is the successor to his father. Is one wrong for fighting BACK when he has the power to? would lelouch have done his actions if the death of his mother not occur?

[@ashrafibrahim4934]

"Does the king really need to lead for his subordinates to follow", lmao

[@dodarwin4422]

Funny shit is they could've based the Lelouch vs Schneizel game where he moves his King to be the Short's Legendary King Walk game lmao

[@crown7394]

What some people don't understand is that this is a dystopian era where rules and laws have changed... This version of chess they were playing could very well have rules that are different... Just a thought 🤷🏻

[@dandev3553]

It wasn't checkmate in one on the first match, the horse could have stopped the queen.

[@LovingPrinceTamayuki]

I think the interesting moral philosophy behind the Lelouch vs Schneizel scene that gets overlooked is that Schneizel poses a question to Zero, as if he's saying, "are you the type of man who would dirty your own hands with killing your enemy, or have an underling do it for you? What would you do if both options were made just as easy to you?" and then Lelouch choses neither because his enemy is weak and defenseless. both of them lost their minds.

[@charlesbruch7489]

I think his two chess games against Mao (who can read his mind using a geass) are much more interesting.

[@weeaboo_owo]

Schneizel was saying checkmate to himself, not Lelouch.

[@krispybeatzzz1878]

My best explanation for the pieces appearing is maybe it’s a slightly different version of chess with reinforcements? 🗿💀

[@mateichiorean8610]

but knight could move to g2 and take the queen

[@elathicc6811]

If it was Lelouch's turn to play (for the first match), he could've simply go Ng4 if white take on Nxg4 then you go Qg2 and it's mate, if he doesn't take you go Qh2 and it's only one move before the mate

[@markfoshee4768]

Not really white could go wknf3 for check on bk then since bkn is blocking bq she can't protect him so bkh7 or bkg6 by default then you'd have to deal with wq or wr

[@WaterYaDune]

the perfect video to satisfy my curiosity at 4 am lmao

[@Lolersters]

In the first game, I'm pretty sure Kg6 is the fastest mate. Even if white can somehow defend mate, it leads to massive material loss. -Qg2 is a blunder, due to Nxg2 -black Rh8 first before moving the king is met with white Nf5. Qxf5 allows white to go Qe1 followed by Qf1, which either offers a Queen trade or prevents black going Qh3 (and thus giving white enough time to defend mate. Kh2 is also a possibility but probably worse. If white defends, at some point black needs to play pawn captures on c6, or white will create 2 connected passed pawns. The position is probably still winning for black though. -Alternatively, if after black plays Kg6 after white plays Nf5, it probably still leads to a forced mate, but it it gives Nh4 to prolong the game (or knight back to e3 if king goes h7). Basically this is a completely winning position for black to begin with.

[@rafiulhaque2838]

Best move would've been Knight G4

[@AnImperialGod]

2:36 This is wrong. The best movement is Ng4 putting pressure on the white knight. If the white knight captures, then Black Queen moves into g2, and it’s checkmate. If any other move is made by White after Ng4 (such as Qe1), Black must capture the White Knight regardless, surrounding the White King with the black pawn and black queen. White has two movements from then on: either capture the Black Knight with pawn or queen, or moves queen into f1, in front of the black queen (and exposed to White Knight). Both are bad movements. No matter what White does after Black Knight takes over White Knight, it will not allow White to win. In this position, the White pawn captures Black Knight in e3. Black queen finally moves into g2. Checkmate. Black is in a way better position than White. White King is too exposed. I don’t see how this was impossible to win for Lelouch. It actually was very easy. At the start, if White uses his white pawn instead and captures the black pawn in b7, just move the rook to a8. This will save you enough time to apply the rest of the strategy and checkmate him before another pawn advances against the blocking rook. Actually, this anime is way less intelligent than everyone thinks it is. It is pure entertainment. Nothing else. I still like it, though.

[@fariady1198]

2:31 it's doesn't checkmate yet, see the knight

[@drawforge9640]

what the heck?shneizel did much of an ILLLEGAL MOVE

[@oscarskidoo9884]

Qg2 is incorrect, the better move is Ng4, putting pressure on whites knight that's preventing the mate. Or the easiest option, the one lelouch played by moving the king

[@peopleskingdomofwolcottia]

To be frank, it's very likely that the chess played in Code Geass has little to do with the rules of actual chess.

[@odinatra]

I think I understand what went in second game. Writers used rules for japanes chess (shogi). In shogi you can (theoreticaly, rarely in practice) move kings one to another and you can return captured pieces to play.

[@mistersaur]

In anime, chess became shogi..

[@brandontaylor7744]

Hey, so I know this is an older video, but I'm pretty sure that the reason Schneizel says checkmate isn't DIRECTLY because of the game. I think he's talking in reference to the fact that he could manipulate Lelouch to doing exactly what he wanted.

[@OxygenBeats]

Actually, black can force checkmate is 4 moves max, 3 at minimum. And starting with the king is the probably best option in this scenario. Assuming that black doesn't completely fuck up, it's impossible for white to win here. Maybe when he said "you can't win this one, it's impossible, right?" he was speaking to the nobleman; that would make the most sense.

[@OxygenBeats]

but actually, Lelouch says he "only needs 9 minutes"... which is weird to say since he can force checkmate in 4 moves, and each move has a 20 second time limit... meaning that if both of them max out their time per move, it should really be over in 7 x 20 seconds = 140 seconds.. in other words, he needs barely over 2 minutes.... I guess they decided "2 minutes" makes it seem less epic or something??

[@RooseveltTruong]

lelouch took his king back because he went to go make a video while his pawn was under geass control sent to inject deitard with refrain lol

[@draykogaming]

Obviously he made that terrible move instead of capturing schniezels king because schniezel had the power of God and anime on his side.

[@Knosferatu]

2:29 that's why he didn't play queen to G2. False hope.

[@jager2754]

Ah yes the true Kings Gambit

[@Garniy_Hlopchik]

2:09 knight takes?? What tf am I missing here? UPD: just saw a comment that the board was set up incorrectly nevermind

[@cattile1085]

Can someone explain why it cant be e3 to g2 to stop the checkmate

[@weirdolangph6870]

watch me play chess like an anime

[@Dalamaric]

Sorry, 9 second move is a no go, Knight takes queen in that position.

[@eshanahmed2926]

cap the white knight can kill the queen. thus the next episode title the white knight where suzaku stops lelouch from "checkmating" britania

[@Ptoyoo]

I like how you said the table girl for nina

[@keishirogane6973]

Lelouch the progenitor of the Bongcloud

[@phen-themoogle7651]

4:30 this is something chatGPT would do, it learned from chess from code geass lol

[@astral6749]

og bongcloud

[@ДмитрийМордовин-ъ3ю]

I spent several minutes trying to figure out why you couldn't just move the knight to g2, and then I read the pinned comment.

[@yesno7889]

Guys, they weren’t cheating, they’re just playing chess, ChatGPT variation.

[@thelingeringdarkness2172]

2:34 "Hard flex" The knight can take the queen. >:/

[@nicbentulan]

Is using the soundtrack a risk for copyright strike? I'm afraid this great video will be removed!

[@peterkim1609]

Why wouldn't the Knight take the Queen at 2:14?

[@condor64_]

Watched for the chess review, upvoted for the Plok theme.

[@6ButtonS6]

Not gonna lie it's pretty embarrassing you made, watched, edited and posted this whole video without seeing that simple backwards knight move.

[@OxygenBeats]

yeah that's what I was thinking too! lmfao.. I'm not even good at chess and I saw that in 2 seconds or less.

[@OxygenBeats]

I guess the channel owner is a bit arrogant like the noblemen lol

[@user-qo7hd2ju3t]

I'm liking the video just because of the "sorry about that" 🤣

[@NotXecutioner]

how about ng4? if takes qg2 mate and if doesnt take qh2 kf1 qh1 mate

[@saphironkindris]

I wish there was a bit more attention paid to the continuity in the second game, but yeah, end of the day, the themes they were trying to set up trump the actual chess match.

[@Hamza-yh8ck]

You can take with knight

[@blodyheartburst]

For the first game the quick version...why can't the white knight take the queen and save the king?

[@OxygenBeats]

2:11 how is Queen to G2 a checkmate? White's knight can just capture the queen. Am I missing something?????? Queen to G2 is a HORRIBLE move lol.

[@kjakkan]

I mean in the first game doesn't knight take queen? I am not that familiar with chess but if i am right isen't this just check instead of checkmate? So Lelouch doesn't win in one move?? I am kinda confused

[@Sybato]

-I'm a noob, so I don't get why that's checkmate? Couldn't the white knight just take the queen in the second hypothetical?- Nevermind read the pinned comment Anyways, my guess was moving black knight to g4 and let it be taken by white knight and then move queen to g2. (granted this only works if knight takes knight)

[@TheSm1thers]

You really think you can lose against me?!

[@fandomgamming9591]

bruh lelouch started with black king against noble man lol

[@yosid1702]

ye its stoopid, the writers didnt care about the chess, if they just hired a gm to help them find actually logical and interesting positions that fit in thematically with what they are trying to do im sure it wouldnt be that hard, but they just didnt care, and didnt expect anyone to actually look at the positions

[@llckme747]

you lose queen if you go Qg2+ because of the knight.

[@dante53a]

Cant the white knight take the queen in that pos?U overlooked that there

[@Tommylmao]

Yep, pinned comment thread talks about this

[@dante53a]

@@Tommylmao oh i am sorry i didnt see it.My bad.

[@Tommylmao]

Dex Uchiha all good

[@csongormezo9696]

I think the first: king g6, white queen c2, rook h8, white queen e4, pawn e4, white pawn g4, checkmate by queen h1 (7 moves, it can be done in much less than 9 minutes)

[@androidx4303]

I came to take inspirations , what th did i watch ...

[@rays5163]

i was curious what your rating is if you don't mind saying

[@NeroPiroman]

maybe chess has different rules in the show

[@Jack-sw1dc]

Was that an AGADMATOR referenceeeee

[@cptazstudios7952]

3 fold repetition is not a stalemate

[@lelouchyt4280]

The white knight can get the queen bro

[@roachdoggjr6893]

The tabel girl

[@2fresh4you]

Actually Kg6 is the best Move its M4, rest is M5 Qg2 is loosing because of Nxg2