Tonguing Syllables - Trumpet Solutions

[@davidpereztrumpet]

You're doing fantastic job. I have seen all the videos and waiting for more. Glad to know you and to learn with your tips and explanations🔝

[@darryljones9208]

You mentioned the Sara Wills observation. Was the air speed measured ANYWHERE as part of that "experiment "? Also. At 4:31 , it is not less QUANTITY of air but less FLOW of air that you are attempting to describe. You understand the difference, right?

[@colmmcgoona]

Wondering about what syllables would be then used for legato tonging ..

[@waltband9100]

The higher you go the faster you blow.....

[@darryljones9208]

@waltband9100 how does one blow "faster?"

[@thomasgrant91]

Thanks🎺🎺🎺

[@wimkrol2233]

I’m not able to tongue at all 😢

[@alvarosilva2250]

Best kept secret of the East Coast, Wayne Cameron!

[@thegoose0m1]

Isn't faster air by definition more air? If there's a certain amoujt of air going at a slower speed needed to produce a G on the staff, wouldn't the same air traveling into the horn at a faster rate mean more air is being used to produce G an octave higher? Or is it less air because the faster air is more focused?

[@darryljones9208]

Neither. Air flow OR air speed (flow velocity) have NOTHING to do with pitch played. It's just confused and erroneous air mechanics by trumpet teachers, including Mr Cameron. The arch is related to embouchure effort. This is typical trumpet teacher confusion. Arching the tongue does NOT make the air faster through the aperture. Not that it matters because it doesn't. Pitch is controlled by the lip firmness or tension. Air speed, anywhere, especially through the oral space, is irrelevant to pitch. Again its just popular trumpetspeak.

[@RnRJB]

Wrong on all points. If you keep the pressure a constant (air pressure created by your abs squeezing the lungs), and you decrease the size of the opening ( arching the tongue reduces the area of flow in oral cavity), you get more velocity. Learn some fluid dynamics. If you blow air trough the garden hose and a soda straw with the same pressure, air is going to move faster trough the straw...

[@RnRJB]

Pitch is created in mouth, you essentially make a whistle whith your tongue while sighing "haaaaa" into the mouthpiece. Your lips vibrate as a response to the air that already has a vibration to it. You don't tighten the lips, you just make the aperture in your embochure smaller. Creating resistance by tightening the lips is a recipe for going nowhere. Sure, it will produce some tones, but your range will be limited and your endurance will suffer. Time to re-learn trumpet playing.

[@darryljones9208]

@RnRJB i actually do understand fluid dynamics, and every player controls pitch with the lip posture. Narrowing the oral space is helpful to achieving embouchure posture as one ascends, but it has no direct causal effect on pitch by some "airspeed" construct or anything else.

[@darryljones9208]

Sorry Wayne. Your air mechanics are erroneous. Your claiming that the arch increases the air speed while also claiming that higher tones have less flow. For the air to be faster for a higher tongue, the flow would need to be the same in every case. Don't you see the discrepancy? You are just repeating a popular myth based on poorly understood air mechanics. The arch generally does NOT control the air speed through the lip aperture anyway. The flow also varies with dynamics. There is no particular air speed or flow for a particular pitch. Both can easily be shown to vary with dynamics on a constant pitch. Narrowing the path also does not make the air more "powerful" as you claim. Power is flow x pressure, and neither is increased by arching the tongue. As a matter of fact, extreme narrowing will significantly reduce air power available to the playing aperture. That is ONE of the reasons that higher tones require more exhalation effort ( what you call "support"), that is, more air pressure.

[@sailrecoveryify]

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[@darryljones9208]

@sailrecoveryify If allowing the tongue to move helps as you ascend partials, then do it. I am not discoraging that. However, it doesn't require justification by some air mechanics explanation. It either helps or it doesn't. And I agree that it does. But the popular air mechanics explanation is indeed false and is simply imaginary and metaphorical constructs. ( I used to believe all that as well until I actually learned very basic flow dynamics.) If all of that you claimed was physically true, then playing dynamics on a constant pitch would be impossible. The popular air mechanics of brass, including "air speed = pitch," is a reductionist idea. And indeed false. BTW. What specifically do you disagree with? I would be happy to explain further.