Tony Benn v Hilary Benn on war votes - BBC News

[@andym28]

Tony Benn was man of integrity and honour. One of the best.

[@johnlowdon5809]

Shame about his son.

[@gusa8006]

@@johnlowdon5809His son??

[@ikeralfonso2047]

@Fabian Winston instablaster =)

[@ausbrum]

Yeah : they learn you that at Eton..........

[@kerryfry1857]

A disgrace.

[@MobinKiadeh]

Interesting how Jeremy is sitting behind both of them and in the same position.

[@miraclmaker]

Mobin Kiadeh the way he looks at them says it all really

[@CarlosBacardi]

bastourma1 I was just going to say...admiration and attentiveness with the one, and contempt/not knowing where to look with the other.

[@lewisner]

Except that Tony wanted out of the EU till he died but Corbyn suddenly turned pro EU when he became Labour leader.

[@agdgdgwngo]

Nodding in agreement with Tony and rolling his eyes at Hilary

[@andrewballetto7641]

@@lewisner you're wrong. Corbyn said a long time ago. He wants to leave the EU , but for different reasons than the Tories. The fact he is in favour of a second referendum , is to stop the impending catastrophe

[@piotrmoskaa1071]

Even when you watch this for the first time, not knowing the circumstances of the speech, you feel in your guts that you are listening to a good, honest person, with high moral standards and believing in what he's saying.

[@JackSardonic]

The father speaking from the heart, the son speaking from a movie script.

[@End-Result]

You said it friend. He DARED to invoke the memory of the international brigades and the British antifascists who went to overturn a fascist coup in Spain when almost the entire British political class abandoned the Spanish Republic all of its people to doom and death.

[@TheOldWeigh]

@@End-Result.... And why not? Good men went to Syria from America and Britain to Fight IS as well. Those Airstrikes offered them Tactical support and in some cases saved their lives. Doing Nothing in the pursuit of some misbegotten aversion to war esp in the face of a Brutal Totalitarian Ideology like Radical Islam is Cowardice.

[@Andres-vg1wy]

@@TheOldWeigh Irak was different from Syria. It wasn't a war fought by local militias with some support of the western powers, it was a full-on invasion that in turn led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people.

[@TheOldWeigh]

@@Andres-vg1wy Nobody is defending the invasion of Iraq. Least I'm not. The Juxtaposition of the views of father and son at opposite ends on the Issue creates the impression that the Father's Righful Pacifism in one Case should apply to All Cases. As you say. Iraq is Different From Syria. There is such a thing as A Just Cause in This World. And I can think of No Better Use of Violence Than Ridding The World Of A Dangerous Depraved Religious Death Cult.

[@germantrainer442]

Well said!!!

[@jonahsmith4405]

Tony Benn was an honourable principled man. It’s sad to see that his son didn’t acquire any of his father’s virtues.

[@adamhall5298]

Different context. Iraq, the Kurds, the French ASKED for surgical air strikes. And guess what, ISIS has been defeated

[@KillaKermit]

@@adamhall5298 No it hasn't

[@HomemadeBrownies1]

@@KillaKermit yes it has

[@hughwardjackson4776]

@@HomemadeBrownies1 no it hasn’t

[@HomemadeBrownies1]

@@hughwardjackson4776 yes it has.

[@karlmartin7384]

One had seen war and one had not, soldiers will always choose peace and cowards will expect soldiers to die at their bidding

[@stephenholmes4344]

Over simplification. Tony argued against *starting* a war in Iraq which had no UN support. Hilary argued for intervention in an *already raging* war. Intervention which had UN support and the had been requested by the Iraqi government. Totally different. We stood by in shameful indifference when the Hutus butchered the Tutsi in 1994. Hilary Benn was trying to protect the Yazidi and the Kurds from a similar fate. Doing nothing in Iraq *was* the peaceful choice. Doing nothing in Syria *was not* the peaceful choice for the war would have continued regardless.

[@jonathandansem]

@@stephenholmes4344 Spot on

[@Hutchyy]

@@stephenholmes4344 Tony also argued against war in Syria though

[@bieituns]

And that is why Corbyn sacked HB. His father would be ashamed of him.

[@MrVice101]

efc toffee yeah, well done and now Assad has had a free hand to massacre his own civilians. Fuck you.

[@bieituns]

@@MrVice101 Fake news. You have been brainwashed. Do you research, and I don't mean listen to the bbc. There have been proven false flag attacks. Assad has no reason to kill his own people when he was already winning the war.

[@mollers92]

His father said otherwise.

[@mareksicinski3726]

meh

[@josephiscancelled2732]

@@bieituns Post a source with this "proof" then.

[@jack.p]

I come back here often. This is such a powerful speech. It's so tragic that the pledge made with the U.N. has been forgotten. Tony witnessed the unforgiving horror of war. Hillary was a boomer who had everything handed to him. They are in NO way two equally legitimate arguments

[@joetraill4991]

what disgustingly stupid and arrogant comment

[@petergreen2552]

Benn slamming it here_ "War is not a computer game". Brutally honest

[@ScottishAtheist]

Isn't that Corbyn to the left of the picture?

[@ljhb48]

I thought so too

[@mouldvlog1561]

+ScottishAtheist It is in both yeah aha

[@rchammer3595]

+I HATE TRAFFIC WARDENS! Twat.

[@edbadyt]

+I HATE TRAFFIC WARDENS! Wow, you are not only racist, idiotic and pathetic, but you seem proud of it too. It never fails to amaze me that people like you can use the internet.

[@ryandavis2775]

It's funny. In almost every clip of Tony speaking publicly on KZbin, Jeremy is lurking in the background. They really were close.

[@anneeq008]

The Apple fell a million miles away from the tree. How sad, how truly sad...

[@frflinstone]

A brilliant illustration of how over time politics has become a popularity contest rather than a battle between right and wrong.

[@joetraill4991]

what a disgustingly stupid comment

[@user-Red5hield-exp0ser]

It's always been do as the Red shields tell you

[@rjill7000]

Corbyn under tony: 🤩 Corbyn under Hillary: 😑

[@sglenny001]

Agreed

[@isaacverhelst3983]

Corbyn was trying break off a piece of Tony

[@thelegend_doggo1062]

Imagine how moving it would’ve been for Hilary to have quoted his father’s speech when giving his own speech, and spoken against the war instead of for it.

[@stephenholmes4344]

He could have quoted his speech in *support* of airstrikes. Tony Benn spoke about the UN charter and it’s importance in maintaining international law and human rights . The UN did NOT mandate a bombing of Iraq so Tony was against it. But the UN was in favour of strikes in Syria to protect the people from possible genocide of IS. I was against the war in Iraq but for airstrikes in Syria. And I make no apology for my inconsistent language. There was no war in Iraq in 1998 or 2003 so Tony Benn was arguing against war. But Hilary Benn was arguing for air strikes, not for war. Regardless of whether the air strikes were launched there were thousands of Syrians dying at the hands of IS. The war was a fact regardless of the air strikes. So Hilary Benn was not pro war, the war was already a reality. He was pro air strikes because he was following in the tradition of his fathers reverence towards the UN charter.

[@RayLRhodes]

@@stephenholmes4344 Iraq was invaded in 2003. What are you talking about?

[@stephenholmes4344]

@@RayLRhodes But this thread was about Hilary Benn and his speech about Syria, not Iraq.

[@Awoo-]

You misspelled disgusting. Bombing Syria was a horrific act of imperialism and the man is a shit and fool.

[@desmondmolloy9173]

@@stephenholmes4344 Nailed it. It's worth noting that he had voted against unilateral British action against Syria two years before. Hilary didn't call for airstrikes lightly, or because he was a closet Tory.

[@amankataria1997]

Tony Benn will be disappointed if he were still alive today

[@jeezy8360]

He's definitely rolling over in his grave,

[@TMCTanks]

Tony will be so proud of his son for standing up for what he believes is right. He always knew his son was different but always said he could never be prouder of him. So stop pretending like you know what Tony would've though of his son. It's pity full that no matter what you think in the vote that you can't respect Hilary for fighting for what he thinks his right and even going as far as to say he brings shame to his father.

[@MissBlennerhassett876]

+TMCTanks | Home of Black Ops 3 News/Information "Tony will be so proud of his son for standing up for what he believes is right." "So stop pretending like you know what Tony would've thought of his son." You're hilarious.

[@Kamiaishi]

+TMCTanks | Home of Black Ops 3 News/Information There is a lot of truth in what you say, however Hilary did NOT experience the war first hand but his father Tony DID!

[@myarwood73]

+dancheyne and you think he would be proud of going against everything he believed in wake up and smell the coffee, tell me when has bombing every helped or solved the problem mostly it starts the problem in the first place fact.....

[@carolehope336]

No one should call for war, unless they are willing to stand upfront and lead the charge !

[@leonhughes134]

What a contemptible point of view.

[@adorabasilwinterpock6035]

@@leonhughes134 No, It’s common sense. War is always evil

[@rodvillager5638]

Watching this in 2019 (As an attack on Iran looms) and it's fascinate to see that Jeremy Corbyn was seated behind both Son & Father during their arguments.

[@CanoeToNewOrleans]

I wonder how Tony Benn would have felt hearing his son support an immoral war. The word disappointed isn't strong enough.

[@jk-gb4et]

the war was going on regardless of airstrikes, the airstrikes were *meant* (i don't know if they achieved this) to end the brutal hands of the IS

[@jk-gb4et]

It was meant to protect against genocide of people such as Kurds and minorities in Syria that were being oppressed by IS

[@CanoeToNewOrleans]

@@jk-gb4et Mission Failed. It left the Middle East in ashes.

[@jk-gb4et]

@@CanoeToNewOrleans This is Syria in 2015, the war had been going on for years at this point, how did those airstrikes leave it in ashes when it was already getting to that point

[@jk-gb4et]

@@CanoeToNewOrleans I;m not saying I agree with the airstrikes, im just explaining that its not so simple to just dismiss Hillary Benn's perspective

[@lavorbitor9711]

God how is this possible? I watched his father speech so many times, as it moves me, and seeing his son being completely opposite its shocking...

[@MS-19]

It may seem strange, but political ideology doesn't always run within families.

[@richardw7959]

I vote that all of the MPs that voted in favour of this motion should go in and fight as ground troops against ISIS. If they love war so much, let them fight it.

[@manzilla48]

That's why we have an army

[@ihatetrafficwardens9805]

+Dicky Weaver This plethora of bum bandits couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. They enjoy sending other peoples sons to die for the zionist cause.

[@muhammadmustafiz8040]

be careful mate, just imagine what they will be asking for expenses if they do go. on a serious note i agree with your sentiment here, they continually lie and betray all of us and instead of changing this they want to bring more misery to everyone.

[@muhammadmustafiz8040]

***** and they would be wrong because their troubles were instigated by the allied forces destabalising the area with their illegal war.

[@MrLoftusjj3]

+Dicky Weaver No, they stay safe at home and make money. Cameron to spend billions bombing and ‘reconstructing’ Syria, so these rich people get richer. Government spending billions on bombing while cutting social services. www.thecanary.co/2015/12/03/cameron-spend-billions-bombing-reconstructing-syria-rich-people-get-richer/ www.thecanary.co/2015/12/04/one-airstrike-pay-19-nurses/

[@ConnorWhoOfficial]

Tony Benn would disown Hillary if he were still alive. He was disappointed with him about Iraq.

[@chillwinston8961]

I love Tony Benn and am not fond of Hill;art Benn but that’s a pretty horrible thing to say. I doubt he’d disown his own son over a political difference.

[@getsbuckets]

Tony Benn could bring tears to the eyes of the most hard of people

[@robert123007able]

Tony Ben was forward thinking, he predicted the madness that we face today. Briton best parliamentarian of our generation. Tony Ben RIP!

[@RazaPlaysGames]

0:40 Never been more honourable man has been in PARLIAMENT Tony Benn Only man who understood TRUE price of WAR

[@shahanurrashid3781]

The emotion and intensity in Tony Benn's voice is so incredible!!

[@kingmatt2563DABEST]

No fan of Socialism or Tony Benns beliefs. But his speeches were amazing and required great thinking to refute. Man is legendary.

[@marujob6619]

Was that Edward Heath ? 1:42 Was he the former PM Tony Benn eas referring to?

[@captal6187]

What a bloody contrast between Tony B and Hilarious Benn.

[@sahadqasim6220]

Tony Benn the best Prime minister we Never had

[@birdytube]

Interesting that Jeremy Corbin is sat back left of both speeches.

[@s1050]

Look at Corbyn getting inspiration from the great man here.

[@poptartstheyalludeme3419]

Damn the flip from Tony Benn. Cordial and jovial initially to empassioned and angry. What a speaker.

[@b11k22]

I really don't black Hilary Benn for doing this. If my dad named me Hilary I'd try to destroy his legacy too.

[@CoriB]

Oh Tony would be so ashamed of his son...

[@andys1333]

Tony Benn all the way, a principled politician and I believe history has shown him to be right. Look at the mess Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have been left in. Intensions may have been good, but the outcome hasn't been.

[@desmondmolloy9173]

Yes--and look at the fact that Hilary ended up making the speech he did. The ISIL catastrophe was a direct result of the invasion of Iraq.

[@dingopisscreek]

Tony Benn, a statesman if ever there was one.

[@chamdotenzin1]

what a shame! Capitalist greed has also taken over the great Benn's household. what a shame!

[@Dirt-McGerk]

hard times; great men, good times; weak men, etc. etc.

[@StanTorrent]

People who say this shit forget people are weak when they’re abused. For instance, former cult members are MUCH more likely to join other cults than people who haven’t been a member of a cult

[@laurastatton1411]

It's so sad that people didn't listen to Tony benn he was one of the greatest humans to ever walk the earth and I'm so lucky I got to meet him so many times

[@ahmedahm1]

I respect, admire and enjoy listening to Sir Tony Benn. There's an arabic saying that "Fire leaves only ashes" I think Tony was unique but his son unfortunately is very different.

[@davidalderson4980]

I hope Hilary Benn is reflecting on these words and the state of Syria today.

[@juliahartshorn2473]

Tony Benn was a great loss to ethics and democracy. I miss his sensible straight forward, and just voice.

[@Whoareyouuuu756]

He has put shame on his father's name

[@ggg-sx7vg]

Disgraced by his own son

[@DavePianist]

Hilary Benn's speech was NOTHING compared to his father. The choice of word, the tonality, the sincerity, the confidence, etc. everything Tony Benn presented was whole-heartedly and carefully crafted to express his passion and determination to stop the war. His intention had nothing to do with politics; nothing to do with money; nothing to do with the interest of those who would benefit him were he to vote against the war. He genuinely cared for the lives of those innocent people who, in Tony Benn's words, had no part to play in the brutality of the regime which they were dealing with. In contrast, Hilary constantly went back and forth with his "script", so he could make sure he mentioned every single one of those who he deemed beneficial to his political campaign. His body languages showed no passion towards his seemingly righteous words. It only showed brilliant acting, a deliberate plan of artificial movements in attempt to persuade. However, no matter how he tried to raise and lower his tone or waving his hands strongly in different direction, a show is just a show. Oh how typical it is that majority of modern politicians nowadays act in this shameful way while pretending to represent the interest of the people.

[@paulmoore120]

What a shame. Not a shadow of his father.

[@blackpepper468]

He's not the son of the legend Tony Benn..

[@glowwurm9365]

WOW 47 seconds in and I can feel the hairs on my neck stand up, we need ppl like him more than ever now, human decency literally radiating from his every syllable. What’s worse is he has been proven right. We get Pritti Patel… 😫

[@JIMuser-vh3Zxx]

Such a contrast to Tony benn . The son completely was wrong

[@ThatGuyThanus]

Tony benn never said, and apparently wouldn’t hear a word against, his son, but I can’t help think he must have been deeply disappointed in his son, here..

[@alexanderhickey1427]

Lol at Corbyn being in the background of both clips

[@gattsbyproductions]

And Corbyn was behind both of them...

[@DFandV]

Backbench to frontbench. admiration for Tony and dislike for Hilary

[@douglaskay9959]

Asleep in the first one.

[@GeoWoolls]

Corbyn there looking at Tony in complete admiration. Probably Jeremy's hero. Mine too, Jez.

[@jaycrayton3327]

I named my only son after Tony "Benn" yeah the Benn bit... What happened to Hilary???

[@johnsabini3351]

Son of Tony - His son Hilary is a living smear on Tony's memory - Chalk & Cheese!

[@terrydavidson5052]

Tony Benn was a great man Hillary Benn was a great berk

[@AaronJCassidy]

I was appauled when watching the son speak that live. I still sort of am.

[@janewrin1830]

How sad. Some people seem to take some of their morals with them.

[@clair233]

I wonder what Tony would of said of his son's speech.

[@kerryfry1857]

Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn! You sir are a legend. My hero.

[@blackpepper468]

Tony Benn the legend...can listen to him over and over again. The son is no match to his dad.

[@jasonuren3479]

Truth vs propaganda. Tony must've been turning in his grave.

[@kljmaq]

Hilary Benn's father would be ashamed of him.

[@deebengsun]

Jeremy Corbyn was at the back listening to Tony. Now Jeremy is behind Tony's son, listening or seething?

[@martonk]

Tony Benn was an amazing man. An eloquent silver tongued man, wholly motivated by his principles. I believe those principles were catastrophically wrong, but it commends the man that he was able to remain pure and passionate after so many years in the gutter of politics.

[@kristianfella-glanville]

Take note of the nature of the man who holds these principles that you believe are catastrophically wrong. He is a good man, a just man and as you said an eloquent one. The others are full of greed and care only for themselves and their immediate family and friends, not for the good of mankind. You should think about this.

[@MariaGilson-p2w]

Tony Benn so is nothing like his farther Tony was a woderful speaker his son was week

[@leonhughes134]

Stating that war and conflict is immoral and one’s hand should never be sullied is a very easy moral stance to take. Let the oil for food racket continue, let the death and privation carry on, the no fly zone, the genocides, the annexation of other sovereign states. You all sleep soundly knowing your morality was never compromised.

[@khaderabdi5574]

I watched 10000 times 😔😔😢😢😢🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@paulgifford2411]

Watching this again with an election coming,and the war in Ukraine and Genocide in Palestine. If only we had the likes of Tony Benn today,but sadly we are stuck with the likes of his son. So very sad.

[@imami2549]

It is very rare to have British men to have morals, Tony was a rare gem and so is Corbyn sitting behind him.

[@christopherkerr1693]

I love how Corbyn is in the background in both of them 😂

[@JHallenbeck]

Both men made valid arguments. A son is not beholden to his father's views. Times have changed between 98 and 2015.

[@mahbubsaiteidesu]

The greatest betrayal of all keeps happening. 💔

[@triciacol]

Just look who's sitting behind Tony!

[@stevenobrien3322]

Hilary thinking he’s Sue in Johnny Cash ‘A boy named Sue’

[@missleopard8346]

How did Tony create a war mongerer

[@StylinRed]

I wish he was still with us to voice his views

[@eastboundbeanhead6637]

I’d give anything for a politician like this in this day and age

[@boudewijnbult3470]

One off the best speech ever.!

[@fingerhorn4]

Tony Benn did not forgive many for their war mongering views, but as Hilary Benn gained more and more power from his ambition, his father not only forgave him but actually was proud of Hilary. His Diaries confirm it. It just shows that pride in one's own son takes preference over everything else, as only that can explain the chasm between father and son as to policy on world events.

[@Jamie_Johnson]

Tony Benn would be disgusted at his son's EU Surrender Bill.

[@jonathanmano4152]

hilary benn should get his tin hat on and fight disgraceful

[@totalsubmition]

in 1998 parliament was not completely owned by the Israeli lobby. Now it can't move without them saying so.

[@shivam-zf4pd]

What do they mean by "so-called Islamic State" 2:30

[@ShaunakDesaiPiano]

They mean the “Islamic State of Iraq and Syria”, aka ISIS

[@ahmedrazaqta]

Ashes remain after the fire.

[@guidofarage7457]

Tony Benn was a staunch Eurosceptic too. Something Hilary but also Jeremy should have the guts to take on.

[@guidofarage7457]

I HATE TRAFFIC WARDENS! The only Jew here is you, communist.

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

It is stupid expecting anyone to be a clone of their father. Hilary Benn is his own man. You people denouncing Hilary fail to realise he was standing up for his conviction- ie the very thing you praise his father for.

[@DimetriKhan]

+Nathan Hazlett You fail to realise that the denunciation is not due to the father-son paradigm. But rather that Tony was right, and Hillary is wrong.

[@leikfroakies]

Hilary isn't his own man. He's a career politician who jumped on the Blair bandwagon

[@g.l.3092]

+sadako24 Because...he was arguing that ISIS should be exterminated BY THE WEST (at the expense of the hard working tax payers), with WESTERN BOMBS (each one, costing hard working tax payers MILLIONS). * You may recall when the West decided to WASTE LIVES, MONEY AND TIME OVERTHROWING the Afghanistan Government (the Taliban); despite the fact that they had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, and had OFFERED TO DELIVER OSAMA BIN LADEN DIRECTLY TO A 3RD PARTY NATION, who could then deliver him directly to the U.S. To that offer, the West DECLINED...and the Western invasion began. Now, it's been 16 yrs since the West invaded Afghanistan, and YET, the Taliban has control over MORE TERRITORY than any time since the West began PERFORMING THAT PARTICULAR COUP. CLEARLY, the WEST has NO BUSINESS PRETENDING that they're capable of using Western Military 'tactics' to successfully ELIMINATE TERRORISM. If they were...THEY'D HAVE PROVED IT BY NOW! * Also, Assad DID NOT use chemical weapons against his own people. It was the 'Moderate Rebels' (i.e. the WESTERN BACKED TERRORISTS) who committed the attack then...and it was the 'Moderate Rebels' who committed the ALLEGED chemical attack earlier in 2017. The 'Moderate Rebels' are present in Syria to CREATE THE EXCUSES that the West needs to 'justify' their involvement in Syria...because it buys the West more time to continue pursuing their coveted Syrian Political Coup. * And finally, WESTERN BOMBS DO NOT EXTERMINATE 'VERMIN'! WESTERN BOMBS PROLIFERATE 'VERMIN' BY EXTERMINATING INNOCENT CIVILIANS, AND DESTROYING THE LIVES OF THE INNOCENT CIVILIANS WHO SURVIVE THE BOMBINGS. WESTERN BOMBS ALSO...CREATE REFUGEES! Yea buddy...that horribly inconvenient influx of terrified and desperate refugees into European nations...is the DIRECT RESULT OF WESTERN BOMBS CONSTANTLY THREATENING THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE; and the U.S. Government's refusal to ACCEPT THE LARGEST SHARE OF THE BURDEN (since those refugees were ONLY created because the U.S. Government FAILED to isolate their greed to ONLY ROBBING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE). Hillary Benn voted to put the UK's hands in Syria's 'cookie jar'. Now the UK's hands are OVERFLOWING with the Syrian refugees that WESTERN BOMBS BLEW OUT OF Syria's 'cookie jar'. Once the West stops dropping Western bombs...the West will stop creating refugees...then the West can stop complaining about all the refugees who fled from, and successfully escaped, all of the Western bombs! And once the West stops dropping Western bombs...the West will stop proliferating terrorists...then the West will stop being attacked by the terrorists who were indoctrinated BY THE WESTERN BOMBS!

[@douglaskay9959]

What convictions, mass murder, is that what he's all about.

[@TomGunn-g4g]

Let add ongoing atrocities we are witnessing -WWW III to that Charter. Untold suffering..., it is disgraceful to the world suffer forgetfulness of this magnitude

[@ME-wk7gw]

The emotion Tony Benn showed near the end of his speech

[@anniethequeer6510]

He has forgotten the face of his father

[@Amber90125]

I love Tony Benn

[@mikealan3833]

What a great man. Principles he believed in.

[@96leRoi]

What a speech

[@ADHDTeenager]

All the people in the comments saying how Hilary is a disgrace to his father. Well I will say this: I will never vote labour or Tory. But if Hilary was pm I would vote for whatever party he was part of.

[@MrFunktone]

His father was a better man.

[@fcgfgcfg]

Corbyn present in both scenes. Good example on how politicians use WWII to suit their rhetoric

[@josephdunne5370]

Does anyone know who the MP to the right of Jeremy Corbyn is?

[@chrisdavie8163]

One should have been Labour Leader....the other one should NEVER have been Labour Leader.

[@handschuhe]

Hilary the Lesser.

[@jillallan8985]

Can't believe he was Tony Benn's son