Tony Parsons' Talk and Q&A at SAND13 Doorn, The Netherlands

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A unified reality in which there are "not two" or there is "nothing apart" surely confirms the illusory nature of separation. If separation is illusory, then any attempt to not be separate is rooted in a dualistic perspective. So the basic principle of any guidance which attempts to transform an illusory state of being separate into a state of at-oneness is based on the belief in a divided reality and cannot therefore claim to be non-dual.
However, as long as oneness appears as a seeker with personal needs there will also arise a personal response and guidance from others together with a description of their approach to satisfying those needs. Teachings apparently happen together with recommendations and processes to help the seeker change or be more open to a better experience. This personal guidance assumes the existence of free will, choice and the ability and need to pursue a progressive path leading to personal fulfillment.
The open secret perception is that what is ultimately longed for cannot be taught, given, attained or known.
The view here is that the sense of seeming separate is an illusory state which drives the apparent seeker to search for another illusory state called enlightenment. Any activity which supports this construct is apparently only reinforcing and perpetuating the same dualistic illusion and attempting to create personal experiences that can make the sense of separation more acceptable... for a while.
It is all only oneness playing a game of hide and seek. The open secret exposes what it sees as the myth of separation and personal enlightenment. It will also attempt to describe the nature of what is and isn't and point to the paradox of no thing simultaneously appearing to be everything. www.theopensecr...

[@atgunchev]

My suicidal depression is history thanks to Tony and I haven't even met him. The downloads of talks from his website was the best spent money in my entire life. How will you comment that?

[@markman950]

How's it going

[@robertjsmith]

@@markman950 suicidal thoughts still arise,but thoughts have no awareness of what they

[@susanj5591]

Yes ..Tony is giving us a beautiful Truth ❤

[@susanj5591]

Nothing and no one is truly real Iand definitely not separate

[@DonPoetas]

The guy asking the question is full of crap and high on an idea of some "cosmic joy". There is no such thing in reality, but the mind wants it to be and therefore invents and defends it. It was difficult for me to listen through the guy's new-age mumbo jumbo, so I perfectly understand Tony's reactions. Tony didn't do anything other that point out how absurd the guy's reasoning was. The guy is absolutely high on "joy" idea, which helps to nurture his sense of self.

[@bob40179]

Most commenters here have a very idealistic idea of liberation. A teacher can't get mad, a teacher can't get irritated. KZbin is the source of a lot of the information they aquire. Over the years, to note a few examples, there was a great woman sufi teacher, with lovely youtube videos. There was a story about her, in which she totally got extremely angry at a disciple and an audience member was judgemental of her anger. Mooji also recalls, the first time he gave a talk, it was rehearsed around an idea, he finished it quickly and said felt awkward and embarrassed and from since then decided to not plan the talks. Ramana Maharshi, in one of his books, there was a recalling of him feeling a great sense of embarrassment because he was served more than someone he was sitting with during dinner. And another story in which the followers of a guru were not told about a heart attack he had as that would disrupt their image of him as a perfect divine being. And this is besides gurus falling out with followers, audience members etc. If anyone researches any great guru in depth, they will see examples of emotion and mistreatment from time to time. I don't mean to judge, just to hope that if someone reads this, it will help them realise enlightenment isn't a 2 dimensional state in which you can never be irritated or angry.

[@binathere2574]

No one is ever truly fully enlightened. If they were they would not be appearing.

[@BarneyBJohnson]

Yes, it seems like everyone is constantly looking for proof that the speaker is a fraud, and the slightest indelicate behavior is just enough to prove it to them.

[@surabhik7835]

Yes, there are people fully enlightened. And they are the ones who choose to appear to teach others the truth. And they are very fews and rare. 😊😊😊

[@GG74K]

Love Tony, get a kick the way his message seems to agitate all the enlightened ego's. lol

[@Vlatka211]

Yes it's hillarious.... and they do think they are so above it...the idea that any next person gets it is uncomprehendable to the pure ones:)))) vegeterian music as Tony would say:)

[@binathere2574]

Tony obviously tickle yours. 😊

[@geeme4549]

It seems that the spiritual materialism is his reason to live this life that is not real... The problem with this kind of teachings is that people by pass their own feelings saying: "everything is an illusion, I am not attached to anything". At the end they are attached to "no attachement". This guy loves monologues, mabe because there is no one else in the room...😂 23:03 it seems that the enlightened Master's ego has been touch...

[@FirstPersonHood]

Most who find this message, understand all the spiritual principles. Spiritual bypass is a great story for a person.

[@geeme4549]

@@FirstPersonHood just as spiritual principles are a great story too...☺

[@FirstPersonHood]

@@geeme4549 Wonderful

[@freepiratequeen]

The laughter in the audience is wonderful... true liberation and great release! They realise how silly seeking is. Seekers are soooooo heavy! (including me when I seek!)

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

I would choose a heavy seeker at my table everyday than a pseudo advaitin hypnotised to absolutize everything compulsatory.

[@MarcP589]

The me can do nothing BUT seek. Incessant thought proliferation fuelled by the me energy. Seeking doesnt just mean seeking for the sense of me to fall away ( enlightenment), its ALL the incessant thinking which happens all on its own. Usually based around fear, desire, guilt, blame, shame. And perhaps more subtley as ' I am doing really well with Presence practise'

[@ANANDSINDHU10]

@@M-i-k-a-e-l who are pseudo Advaitian?? Do explain it with examples

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

@@ANANDSINDHU10 No, I do not have the energy to write meaningfully about it here. Lots of articles on the net, though.

[@ccm1116]

Tony is brilliant and funny !!Words are at best only pointers, concepts, they can never convey What is.....Freedom is what is.....

[@zatoichiable]

Its all belief.... like all spiritual disciplines...

[@QuantyG]

Having to chuckle about the comments. He's already said that he's using language (language is mentation) to describe 'what cannot be described', so then people are saying that; 'oh he said that here, then he contradicted himself there' blah blah..

[@FirstPersonHood]

Language is relationship!!!

[@BarneyBJohnson]

Exactly, people try to become like third-rate lawyers, nickeling and diming every word and contradiction.

[@waiataaroha]

The man speaking at 18:09 sounded silly and cheesy. His cup is full of spiritual nonsense and was trying to teach Tony Parsons a lesson in higher spirituality HAHAHAHA

[@integralsun]

waiataaroha have to agree...Tony would hear little of Igor’s baloney....good job Tony!

[@carolineoakshett8520]

I think the man spoke very respectfully, and it was not baloney. What he says is as much a part of creation as what Tony says.

[@freepiratequeen]

wow 'this' is very radical. 'He' has declared total war on the ego!!! 'I' feel blissfully irrelevant. It's very funny for some reason.

[@TheYanbibiya]

Poppy Currie I guess you had a moment

[@geeme4549]

I guess only egos declare wars...

[@BaciFilms]

Thanks for uploading this Maurizio. Lovely stuff Tony. Of course it's not about him or his approach. Boundlessness doesn't care whether you sit meditating or picking your nose. 'This' is freedom from those limiting concepts. Love to see the unedited version! Boris x

[@gracemccleen9497]

He is always rude to some person or other; (23:11-23:29) I just really struggle to get over his treatment of people. Also he speaks very disparagingly of other 'spiritual' teachers like Spira. Surely, at his level of 'enlightenment' there is no need to disparage anyone - and to set his 'teaching' apart from others' is just another demonstration of the dualism he evidently so detests? Why would someone who's NOT a someone, who is nowhere, in no time, have need to cut anyone short? Or get irritated?

[@FirstPersonHood]

Look through the persona.

[@whatisthis-y8w]

@@FirstPersonHood behind every apparent persona is the one

[@FirstPersonHood]

@@whatisthis-y8w WOW!

[@perplexedmoth]

I think he handled it well. The guy was basically speaking in circles to say that he thinks there is a purpose to seek bubbling joy, which Tony thanked him for the message, also "apparently" felt annoyance, didn't try to hide it. It doesn't matter what Tony's personality is like to the message being conveyed here. It is the acceptance of everything, including the apparent annoyance. He simply sensed what was appearing, and I felt the same as the watcher.

[@binathere2574]

​​​@@perplexedmothhe thanked him to shut him down. Yes nothing unreal exists however, this reality is very real, it was created by the separated mind. One of the lessons is to learn to be kind. There are many wrungs to the ladder you can't jump over some. Not all are on the same wrung. Joy can and will elevate one to another wrung. It's not nothing.

[@johnnywlittle]

Interesting that Igor Kuvayev felt the need to speak out to Tony during his limited time of Q&A. It seemed as if Igor simply wanted make a public point that Tony is not as enlightened as he is and is "doing it wrong". How's that for enlightened folks....:-) Tony was exactly right in pointing out, "what's your problem w/everything having to be experienced as joy" (paraphrasing). The whole thing was weird but kinda cool to see at the same time. I guess hecklers happen as well...;-)

[@johnnywlittle]

Urayis wish l I do as well and don’t buy what he’s selling either

[@soofitnsexy]

who is igor kuyav??

[@megashira1]

@@soofitnsexy kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4uZiYChismNlas

[@soofitnsexy]

@@megashira1 thanks Ill check him out although he sounded like an ass here

[@kevalashanti9323]

He spoke in perfect eloquence the authority in his voice is not arrogance at all.

[@chantalfoucher547]

It's easy when life goes a certain way, but when it becomes catastrophic, and there is fight, etc, then we're is the 6. It is easy to follow when the situation is like falling in love. Acceptance in the middle of chaos is another story I m style gratefull for the message though. ☺️

[@danjackson7758]

wow, it's the grand High Priest of FUTILITY himself, tony parsons ! if there's nothing to do, nothing to get and nobody to know it, why does he bother to open is mouth at all ? what's the sensible response to hearing his message? never to give him even one more second of your attention? after hearing it once, why do people STILL waste their time chasing his wonderful message of Futilty?

[@integralsun]

It’s just is what it is. It’s futility is it’s strong point.

[@BarneyBJohnson]

I truly love this comment, even though I don't agree with it at all. 😁"High Priest of Futility", so well stated, perfect choice of words.

[@MsThaithai11]

Tony is been so nasty towards the ego,,,lol...and many people don't like it,,,, I am guessing a lot of spiritual people would rather seek enlightenment than Be enlightened......

[@FirstPersonHood]

The person wants to be the person. Tony describes life as being completely whole although a sense of individuality appears.

[@mementomori5374]

Omg 1 guy was so annoying in that crowd lol tony handled that guy like a champ

[@Tailsgaming24]

An imaginary thing can’t get that it’s imaginary because it’s imaginary. 🤔😆😄

[@Tailsgaming24]

😂

[@nucklearfusion7700]

Tony is great if you want an intellectual understanding of 'there is no one'. With this you can be superior to seekers, superior to Ramana, Nisaragdatta and all previous teachers. With this non-dual sword you can cut off every argument with 'who is saying that?'. With this understanding you can continue to be selfish and self obsessed because you know that really there is no one. If you were a psychopath before the energetic shift you can be one after too because there is no psychopath.

[@rogeredwards4871]

You sound like a fundamentalist Christian. After the shift, as you put it, all the destructive driving forces of thought that arise from the experience of being a separate individual (fear) drop away as well.

[@palmyracentre4575]

Superior to Sri Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj ??!! Are you kidding - Check out the Ultimatum Ointers from Nisargadatta - Ramana and Nisargadatta are unparalleled!!!!

[@binathere2574]

​@@rogeredwards4871you sound like you just made an attack.

[@scienceandnonduality]

Not to add fire to the dialogue but to clarify... Tony has been given a specific, quite short, time for his presentation and people asking questions are asked to be brief and not to try stealing the spotlight... As organizers we support short question getting to the point... again, this is only a technical remark to help understand the context in which the conversation has been presented with no intention to get involved in this dialogue... :-)

[@nottobetakenseriously2631]

It's hard not to like Tony Parsons, try as I might. :)

[@chrisbusby4395]

I find it easy

[@SabineWald_NowHere]

Tony is great. He doesn't say any unnecessary crap and is straight to the point. What an 'enemy ' to a person's ego centre! Mind wants entertainment, so does ego idea although we are not the mind and e billions believe they are their mind. What a blessing is Non - Duality teaching! What a relief to know that we are already That but it got covered by concepts of separation, individuality, when our parents called us by our name. Enlightenment is a concept also as it has to be achieved in the future. Past, future or time don't exist so can enlightenment that happens to someone in the future exist? Again, nothing wrong with people who love their spiritual Path. As long as 'journey to enlightenment' is enjoyable it is still OK. Advaita is great for people who are desperately looking for help, suffer psychologically and where psychologists cannot help. They can patch it up a little but it is not a permanent solution. One only has to recognize their True nature and reduce depression and anxiety attacks - the illnesses of the modern world. Advaita is a shortcut to it. There is no way but it has to be expressed by using concept called words - yet every word is incorrect as soon as we say something. We breathe the air, our cells are getting replaced, we don't know our next thought - how can we be a decision maker?! Everything is just happening - hearing, seeing, touching, smelling. No - one does it. Exactly same as in the nature where there is no resistance. People resist as they have capacity of reasoning same as birds having capacity of flying or dog has a great capacity of smelling or hearing. But the sun doesn't call itself 'sun' or it doesn't claim that it is 'shining'.

[@tompilarski2873]

+Sabine H (Non Duality Down Under)

[@firstlylasty8687]

+Daramantus lol

[@asstornaut1066]

we ARE the mind.

[@asstornaut1066]

everything doesnt happen if nothing makes it happen. touch happens yes. when you touch something tgen it will obviously will happen. hearing happens yes to you. and so on "cells are being replaced" yes in your body. thinking doesnt happen. you think . you make the thinking. now unconscious thouvhts are different.they happen to happen because you are giving attention to them. they'rr just your memories..unvinscious memories.

[@XOXO-mb2vh]

77 Sounds This is all real cause if I call 911 somebody comes.

[@atgunchev]

Tony has spoken of this joy many times. He calls it childlike wonder, unconditional love, etc. You both got lost in translation, but that's what happens when you try to express it in words. You speak of the same thing. It's only the words that make it seem like you're opposing each other.

[@DonPoetas]

This was rude? Only big big egos get hurt so easily, my friend. Exactly the kind of ego that needs to hear this message and be told that one is barking up the wrong tree. People really do have the most outrageous ideas about enlightenment. Enlightenment sucks. All it does it makes you an englightened fool. Not much of an upgrade, either way. Let go of the whole idea of enlightenment. And joy. Seriously.

[@silverwolf104]

I have been to a few meeting and it cost £10.00 which is hardly going to make tony Parsons rich !! Everyone is so blooming serious about this but. It is really simple and the result is laughter.. stop taking yourself so seriously... Just enjoy...

[@donkerheid]

I'd prefer Benny Hill or Mr. Bean to him.

[@WILD__THINGS]

That was quite entertaining. This guy is great. Either he is on to the absolute truth of our existence or he is just a huge troll conning people out of their money. I can't tell which. But he seems to be have a blast either way and I did too watching.

[@renethomas5757]

A huge troll is still a finite concept. Actually, a huge troll has no reality, not even to the fictional person. It lives under a bridge which cannot be said to exist, and when it eats the 3 Billy goats gruff it is only eating the labels "Billy", "goats" and "gruff". (editted)

[@binathere2574]

Well that's obvious

[@scienceandnonduality]

Dear Richard... I am delighted to hear SAND is making a lot of money with this... maybe one day we'll get some to pay our debts created by organizing this events and making films on Nisargadatta Maharaj as our only income... :-) Can you share with us where did you get such non-judgmentally enlightened point of view?

[@BarneyBJohnson]

Thank you for releasing this and financing the production, I've watched it several times and love it.

[@RevBobAldo]

What this man says is true, but it is nothing that any good zen master doesn't know forwards, backwards, upside down, and sideways. I sympathize with any guru who cautions against gurus, but you do have to see the humor in the contradiction.

[@magmade]

Finally great sound...not like the other videos...

[@kiangee]

The second audience speaker is a time waster....talks absolutely bollocks and goes on and on...!!

[@dkat2551]

nothing the second speaker is igor kufayev.. I think. look him up. you might be suprised

[@MikkoVille]

+D Kat Yeah, I looked him up and saw a generic wanna-be-guru dressing up like an indian and using a lot of words with capital letters such as Spiritual Heart, Consciousness and all the other B.S. concepts. Not surprised, nor impressed.

[@eudaimoniacat5668]

+D Kat yup, thats igor....

[@billyjo1881]

+nothing ......that was nothing wasting time......Ironically just noticed your username lol

[@firstlylasty8687]

+nothing yeah he pissed me off. Reminded me of someone I know and greatly dislike lol

[@jaciwallace9313]

I would like the uncut version of Tony Parsons talk at Sand. Why was the talk edited??? If we are seeking freedom to be what is , why take out the controversy conversations and confrontations where he was challenged by other teachers??? It's all part of what is, please allow for a full version to be viewed in an uncut version for those of us that want the boundless truth , Thank you. JaCi

[@mgp80]

actually, tony is not dissmissive. the questioner never gets to the point, and you can hear a woman that interrupts him and tells him to give up the microphone cos it's taking too much time.

[@goych]

Does he need to get the point? What a bastard

[@HardCoreNonDuality]

I have become a nobody and know only one other nobody in "person" and all others are online. Anyone else think its hilarious? "Enlightenment is the egos greatest disappointment"

[@lottieloukb]

tony parsons I love listening to you x you're EPIC

[@chrisbusby4395]

ZZZZZZZZZ

[@DonPoetas]

@NuclearFusion: The time you spend trying to overthrow what Tony is saying is the time your little self is trying to build itself up and avoid seeing the possibility that it itself is not as important as it has always believed itself to be. Lighten up, mate!

[@nucklearfusion7700]

I just can't help myself :-). I love to niggle the neo's who so love to cling to the idea that they have the 'real' ultimate understanding because they intellectually can get that there is no separate self. They reduce the amazing infinite reality into a very strict dogmatic understanding and then feel superior and think they know more than others who have dedicated their lives to true humility and love for others.

[@DonPoetas]

NucklearFusion I have absolutely no problem with your reply, mate! Keep quibbling away!

[@nucklearfusion7463]

***** Cheers mate!. I think your finally getting it: There is no one to quibble, it just happens for no one with no choice or purpose. It is divine quibbling. I quibble therefore I am (no one).

[@mreynaert9997]

The difference between the speaker and the audience is that the speaker is in a state of non duality while the speakers in the audience are not, especially the intellectual person who called himself "don't want to be the advocate of the devil". It is very threatening for the ego to sit with someone who is not in duality. The first thing the ego says is : Why him and not me. I have been studying and meditating for x years, how comes he got it. I am sure he is a fake, he doesn't have it 😆. This in itself is all just mind, identification with energy movements

[@quantessenz]

state of non duality? Explain please what you mean by that? Who is in that state? xD

[@binathere2574]

​@@quantessenzyou know what he means. No need to be a smarty pants.

[@edo_ardo]

there is a big contradiction in the non dual message. Who is liberated? If liberation is about someone and not for someone else then this a big problem of contradiction.

[@quantessenz]

18:06 Listen good to this man. The self is never finished. It is all a process, a never ending story of life. There is no final goal, doesn't matter for no one or anyone. "I" or "not I", who cares? Self is unlimted, boundless, it has no ending and no beginning. Every ending is doubtful in itself. Great courage from him, thank you for speaking up. Sadly some people are so closed up in their concept.

[@mozis88]

He says there is no self.

[@quantessenz]

@@mozis88 It can be confused what no self means, it also doesn't mean attachment to nothingness. Self in this sense I wrote, I mean that what you are beyond words. It's unfindable, undefinedable and has no form, but you can never loose it also. Of course there is no self in it as in a sense of "I", but that self (call it what ever you want), is never finsihed, because it is everything. I refer to it as self, because it's already YOU and that is a neverending process. So be doubtful of who ever claims to have reached a final goal, doesn't matter if no one is talking about it or somebody. Consciousness, if you prefer as word, is a never ending process. That is the truth in the Yin Yang symbol. The truth is beyond existence and non-existence and even beyond. You can not loose your story, because you were never in it in the first place. And still, the story goes on. Of course the story of "no one here anymore" is part of that on going too, if you want so. What I find missleading is, that Tony not enough explains that this is a story too. Instead it seems he claims there would be no one be there anymore with a story and this leads to a apparent illusion of differences. "He loosed something and you can too". No, you can't, but in the end that would be doing too. Again: There has to be done NOTHING. It is already all complete as it is. As I said: "I" or "not I"? Who cares? Who is still there and cares about that crap? I don't know for sure.

[@mozis88]

@@quantessenz I still agree with you, still not with Parsons, but according to your answer, you see it that way too. Thanks

[@quantessenz]

@@mozis88 Thank you

[@binathere2574]

I often picture myself in an outerspace. Just being there. Not the body, just the mind. Dark,empty,black,silence.

[@bailizhang385]

Thank you for keeping destroying everything that the mind can get hold of.

[@geeme4549]

You can't destroy something that is not real...

[@brentonl]

Every thought I've ever had is a lie.

[@BarneyBJohnson]

Wonderfully succinct and poignant! Thank you for uploading. HIGHLIGHTS: 18:10 to 23:37 there is a heated exchange, worth watching multiple times. Lots of laughter and fun, such a joy to watch. 😇

[@nucklearfusion7463]

BEING has always been the only identity. There never has been a separate identity. Therefore there is no need for anything to change at all including having to drop the self and having an energy shift. THIS IS IT! AS IT IS! (not how it will be when the self drops away)

[@XOXO-mb2vh]

NucklearFusion Oh there is separation because if I don't put a condom on my boyfriends penis, his sperm will find my egg and split millions of times into a new us. That growth will emerge from me and all of us taxpayers will raise it.

[@edzardpiltz6348]

@@XOXO-mb2vh , thanks for that beautiful image. My illusiory I enjoyed that little clip very much! Beautiful addition to the dream. Thanks again! 😘

[@SammyC27]

This man is very smug. He's clearly getting off on spreading a slightly new and subtle idea that is tickling a lot of people's ego. And what does it achieve? (yes, of course he'd say "nothing", but lets put that game aside). What real expansion follows? Those who love his message are kidding themselves if they don't think it's not just another belief / idea. I care about things that actually transform people's lives. Like a former drug addicts or criminals that took some path / made some effort / some decision and totally turned their life around for the better. Now that is amazing in our time-space reality. Would anyone really transform their life for the better after hearing Tony speak, no.

[@michaelsherwin1326]

no such thing as ego, everyone is different. tony is evil. that's why there is good and bad he spreads nihilism and doesnt understand life.

[@Santiago-5107]

"We are the mirage thinking that its real because it has a story." Jim Newman

[@nucklearfusion7700]

Tony had an experience of his self dropping away when he was 20 and later on discovered that he could sell this idea to others. He can charge whatever he wants as far as I am concerned his motivation however remains the same..Without seekers Tony has no audience. Out of interest can anyone tell me by what means, method or magic does Tony use to take the seeker from seeking to liberation?

[@keithpopko7068]

Well, he would say he doesn't "take the seeker" anywhere because there ISN'T any seeker - there's just what's happening. He's got a good game going collecting money from all of those apparent separate people who believe that they are real and can go somewhere if they listen to him. Oh, the irony.

[@wavesfromthedarksea3629]

​@@keithpopko7068 Well he's not the only one to say they are standing next to the river selling water. It's the whole thing Keith.

[@levyvillamor355]

Love watching this video , a true vedantic.

[@chielklamer]

Rupert is addicted to good feelings just as you.Life is everything , not just feeling good. The me is addicted to spiritual bullshit.

[@lordbyron3603]

The message is simple. It isn’t about you ! It isn’t about me/us! Life , the world and everything in it isn’t about you or for you . But yet we try our best to make it about us. We go to the ends of the world to try and make it about us. I didn’t see this at first until now today. It took 3 days to get this message. The first day I caught a glimpse of it. The second day, I started to get angry and annoyed at the speaker because I felt he was just rambling nonsense, double-talk and gibberish. The 3rd day, I pull this up , listen for a few minutes and finally it hit me ! The words “ it isn’t about you/me!” hit me like a ton of bricks . Let that thing (the me) die! It’s glorious! Totally liberating even though there’s no one being liberated!! (It’s sounds like double talk doesn’t it? LOL )

[@DonPoetas]

Not honest, delusional. The guy should listen to Tony more, then perhaps he could be free from the tyranny of always having to feel "joyful". I got the impression that this guy thinks the highest achievement in life is to always feel joyful. What utter nonsense, but perfectly consistant with New Age doctrines. Glad Tony doesn't put up with such crap, there's too much of it in the world with entire highly lucrative industries devoted to making you "feel-good". Guess that's what he wants.

[@swamiwhatsoever3764]

No body is a doer. Everything happens and after the action there is an illusion that it is done by me. That understanding is liberation leads to unlimited joy.

[@mehdimoussaoui1712]

lol that's igor kruvayev at 18:05

[@ptanji]

What a beautiful message!

[@billyjames9861]

1 Beyond etc. -beyond the relative world which is a mixture of existence and non-existence. The world is said to be existent as it is perceived in ordinary consciousness, but to be non-existent as it is lost in super-consciousness. Knowing the nature of the world, the man of Knowledge is quite unconcerned with it. ASTAVAKRA SAMHITA

[@banjosmudge]

Because the guy never actually got round to asking a question. He simply loves the sound of his own voice.

[@Vlatka211]

Exactly, he just loves to hear himself speak. My first thought about the guy. Tony's message helped me a lot, I can't bear to hear any gurus any more, I am done with seeking, life sucks slightly less:))))

[@KJKali]

I recognised the voice of that guy - it was Igor Kufayev! He has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about the more radical non-dualists.

[@nicolerothschild8770]

There is no he

[@zatoichiable]

most boring of all non duality teaching....

[@krakelmees]

Persons vs Parsons = brain cells thinking "I do not understand, let's produce some words with a question mark" vs brain cells thinking "apparently no apparent understanding happening over there, let's produce some so called words with an apparent exclamation mark". Same difference. Cheers.

[@svjetlanalight]

"Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God." ACIM

[@AntonAntokhinA]

It's true, egos love accusing other egos of being egos. Thank you for that reminder.

[@pathwithin1519]

I would imagine this is a big slap in the face to a lot of these scientists an practtisheners, there is no consciousness or awareness. 🤔

[@geeme4549]

There is nothing...so there is no slap, no scientists...etc... In fact there is no comment...😂

[@MUSICOBLISS]

The perfect lover

[@Andrew-yw6kt]

Tony owned and made an arse of kufy 😅...kufy made an arse of himself

[@BizRasam]

There's no point in having these conversations.

[@puppygoesfancy19]

Igor Kufayev tries to complicate things as normal, so sweet :)

[@honestinsky]

Excellent video, thanks for posting, much appreciated. New sub : )

[@Daniel_TransformationCoach]

Is Igor Kufayev asking a question around 18:00?

[@KJKali]

Yes

[@DonPoetas]

I don't think there's anyone in "that state". The highest "achievement" you could have as a human'd be to simply see life through the eyes of, e.g. a dog or a plant. Until dogs or fish start having satsangs and start discussing things such as "consciousness-bliss" I'll hold that these things were invented by the human mind alone, and that they don't exist anywhere outside it. Move just an inch out of the mind and the whole thing becomes invalid. Nature doesn't care about our many theories.

[@anatureperson5551]

The guy in the audience talking to Tony at 22:00 does seem to be getting on Tony's nerves - as seen on Tony's facial expressions. That tells me someone is actually there who does feel a bit agitated by the guy talking to him.

[@davegieni4344]

Those are just emotions.

[@anatureperson5551]

More like reactions.

[@dougs390]

"Jjust"

[@bob40179]

The questioner continued for a very long time and was going in circles at one point, it was quite confusing, I imagine most people have the same reaction when someone begins a short speech with no seeming end. I was listening and I also didn't understand what he was trying to say or ask

[@wavesfromthedarksea3629]

@@dougs390 You think when the subject object collapses there is only a stone Buddha left?

[@manonash6119]

The Donald Duck of Advaita.

[@FirstPersonHood]

This IS THE MIRACLE!!!

[@nickharris9761]

He charges £7 for a book that you cant read as you dont exist - lol - you cant get angry over this comment as you dont exist

[@claytonmoss1]

Yes I think he was tring to suggest that Tony had not yet reached enlightenment and he had because he had a sense of joy of course Tony has'nt reached enlightenment because there is no such thing

[@ndnd2023]

One of the very few voices of clarity in an apparent world of dreaming and misunderstanding.

[@geeme4549]

Clarity is an illusion...

[@geeme4549]

@AWAKE ENLIGHTEN ☺

[@rosegathoni5394]

His copy of his book Open Secret came to my possession in such a mysterious manner. Introduced me to non duality.

[@tonyvanhal9728]

happened to me as well with that book. the way I saw the book by accident. greatings Tony from holland

[@sanekabc]

Free flowing unbounded energy is quite a description for something which can't be described.

[@thegodsquad9279]

I am baffled by the idea that this is without joy. I see total joy and delight in Tony. I also find the idea funny that this message is easy, for the masses. It's clearly not easy or for everyone, as based on the comments. To truly get it is profound, permanent relief. It is the most pure message I've ever encountered.

[@asstornaut1066]

sadly the message is a lie

[@kwixotic]

The most likely positive "experience" one gets from a Parson's talk is a muted "aha!" and once you've the talk(or shortly thereafter), you're just back to square 1 with all your conditioned ego driven habits intact

[@kwixotic]

+kwixotic meant to say once you've heard the talk (forgot the word "heard").

[@NoahHornberger]

joy is a concept, and the fact that you think it needs to be there or that it is relevant that joy is there means you are distracted by surface effects. To what is always here, there can be joy, hope, love, hate, fury, or anything else. It has no preference for joy. As soon as you say 'this is a state that has total joy' you are setting up a condition for a time when joy will be absent, and then there will be a 'someone' who has lost the 'joy' who is trying to find it again. It's like calling the sky blue. Yes the sky is blue, but get close enough to it's blueness and it will not be blue. At a certain point it will turn black, into the pure emptiness of space. The sky is only blue from a certain point of view. There is joy from a certain point of view. But the absolute is not inherently joyful. It may display joy, but it is not joy at all.

[@thegodsquad9279]

it's ALL a concept, even your idea of my distraction is a concept. i was responding to comments that the physical being of TP didn't look joyful, i saw great joy and always do in him. not requiring it judging it or setting up any conditions for it, those are all your concepts.

[@thepsychonaut8212]

dam straight......he's a threat! :)

[@AlexRomero-mj5wi]

He’s been outed. Early 2020 saying his view is that Covid would die out and everything would return to normal. How’s that going Tony? Oh and he no longer says ‘what can happen by attending meetings is the self can fall away’ as his meetings are now online. Still the cash continues to roll in eh? Online retreats? And ppl fall for this shit😂

[@jonsmith4669]

I've noticed in some videos Tony presents on his channel (that we are not allowed to comment on ,what are you afraid of Mr Parsons?) Tony dismisses God and also what he calls the modern word for God---Consciousness-- BUT he often refers to BEING........as I understand it, BEING (Absolute Being or the Absolute intelligence etc) is another word for God ......he seems confused..... he is referring to a BEING , isn't that dualistic? now i'm confused. ---Confucius him say ,engage brain before opening mouth,when talking about Advaita Vedanta. --Non duality-- which Tony also dismisses....... by the way he says "this is all there is" many times.......does that include BEING? or is BEING ALL there is?......and things are, but they are not...... I like Tony Parsons but I'm not so sure about his teaching ,which he says is not a teaching ,now I'm really confused,what's he doing then, trying to give us all the screaming abdabs ?

[@slumberingsam]

Eat some potent magic mushrooms. The experience is worth more then these words.

[@slumberingsam]

Then death. LOL

[@megashira1]

lmao! Igor in the audience!!!!

[@atgunchev]

Yes, it is so funny. For Tony, Igor is nothing and for Igor, Tony is something :D

[@atgunchev]

The complaint about waiting long enough is priceless :)

[@nucklearfusion7700]

***** And for Atanas both Tony and Igor are something.

[@raznatovicanastasija]

@@nucklearfusion7700 shut your fany boy!

[@soofitnsexy]

who???

[@FilmBritt]

Even if ”THIS” cannot be known, it must still be a knowing that ”This” cannot be known….

[@moonsloop5464]

There is no knowing, (there is no one TO know.) “This” is beyond knowing and knower. There is not even a knower to know there is no knowing.

[@moonsloop5464]

There is only “happening”

[@FilmBritt]

@@moonsloop5464, what knows that there is "happening"?

[@KingJorman]

that's loopin'

[@DonPoetas]

No, what's amazing to see is how amazingly threatened New Age egos can feel when confronted by someone who doesn't seem to be saying what they all want to hear. If you don't want to listen to what is being expressed here, you are more than welcomed to try a different New Age doctrine and see how that works for you. Then come back and tell us of your amazing discovery. I'm sure we would all want to be enlightened by someone who "really" knows what they are talking about.

[@binathere2574]

That's a nasty comment.

[@perizath]

So people actually pay money to go listen to this man? So no consciousness , no soul ? I guess it takes all kinds ... very good example of sophism :-)

[@BarneyBJohnson]

I would fly out to hear him speak, if I had the resources. It's not about the words, but I get that it is impossible to perceive that if you don't like the message to begin with.

[@AntonAntokhinA]

How can he meet this "person" half way when his whole point is that there is no such "person" in the first place? You missed the whole point of his talk because you're listening with your ego. It's so curious how people are finding themselves feeling angry and defensive listening to this benign old guy talking about literally nothing. Clearly, his teaching is very effective on a certain level. Go Tony!

[@Jimmy_Sandwiches]

I can hear all the frightened egos clambering for something to latch on to / this is not for you YET go back to Adya, Tolle even Ramana this is explicit non duality not for someone trying to get something x

[@geeme4549]

Superiority is just for egos...😂

[@Lizarus.un-sane]

Basically the strategy of the path is in itself a mockery to the destination

[@miniminamanmina3715]

The guy is telling the truth , there is no why there is just it is . The urge for an answer is a clinging which is fine , but anywhere one thinks it will take them is imagination . People love to try and wrap the dialectic around him. And the dialectic is also a clinging for concepts , which is fine just understand their limitations and scope of influence . He is not telling you life is depressive just it is not what you question, think, emote, or desire it to be.

[@cathy955]

Yes I watched his face twitch whilst the man intelligently questioned him on his lack of joy and thought this too. MUCH prefer Rupert Spira who seems to answer every question with deep effort to value and understand the questioner. Chalk and cheese.

[@wavesfromthedarksea3629]

Will have to differ on intelligently.

[@quantessenz]

Yes, he was nervous, but also courages. Difficult to add something to "no one" who claims to reached a final goal where you can not add any truth anymore. Be doubtful of wo ever claims to possess the truth, doesn't matter as somebody or no one. You can cleary see he feels offended in this. But people holding him high on his high horse don't see this. Sure for initiating an awakening that story he tells is not bad, but awakening is not the end, but the beginning, because that what you are is never finsihed. It is everything, how could it be finished? The greatest missunderstanding here is, that telling everybody there would be no one anymore is also a story. Loosing the story, is also a story and that is a very important part, because after awakening you can awake from the attachment of nothingness. But of course, he tells everybody that he lost his story. Who is still there and distinguish between self and no self or "I" and "no I"? Who cares about these concepts? No, that is no goal do hold on to.

[@acuaman42]

This is a very interesting video I hope someone subtitles it into Spanish. There are many people in spanish speaking countries that will appereciate that.

[@nucklearfusion7700]

Tony puts his communication above that of Advaita,Ramana Lonchenpa and the Buddha according to his website and his videos. Watch from 18-22mins and ask yourself is Tony's communication really "enlightening"? No his body language and facial expressions tell you exactly what's going on for him.

[@jessematilda]

of course if you are already convinced that you are separate, and that there is some spiritual path that is going to bring you the jackpot, then nothing that Tony says will make sense. The commercially established approaches which claim to lead "individuals" towards "enlightenment OF COURSE disagree with anything that negates their whole raison d'etre. OK, he charges 10euro for attendance. Big deal. I guess he just wants to give us a smack round the head, nothing else will help.

[@Troyofis]

This whole "no one is here" therefore I will not answer your question is the biggest lie and has got to go with these "gurus". They have almost no compassion to meet the person where they are at. He talks about "no one there", yet his non-verbal language, etc., etc., indicates a programmed reaction of defense the entire time. Thus, its all lies what he is saying because its not showing up in his behavior and body. The 'me' is more than a thought. The 'me' is the entire body-brain-mind itself.

[@donkerheid]

Exactly.

[@sngscratcher]

This is basically pointless babble. The irony being that Tony would completely agree that his words are pointless babble.

[@donkerheid]

pseudospiritual stand-up tragedy. also harmful.

[@nucklearfusion7700]

Well! people get trapped by Tony's message. They believe him when he says there is nothing they can do and so they give up everything except going to see Tony- which apparently isn't seeking because that just happens. Nothing changes for them, no energetic shift, or dropping of the self and they just wait, also believing what Tony says about his message being the only real radical message out there. But at the end of the day you are right- you pays Tony your money and you takes your chances.

[@Vlatka211]

Yeah, 10 pounds is a rip off, don't fall for that arse hole:)))

[@FirstPersonHood]

too simple to be concerned.

[@evaw551]

blaa, blaa, blaa, mumbling, bombling

[@banjosmudge]

Didn't we all start twitching when that guy went on and on and on without ever making a point?

[@nucklearfusion7700]

Hee hee! Yes Tony is very sensitive about his words, use the wrong words like joy and he gets all stroppy. It's the same with 'awareness' which he used to use a lot, he gets all stroppy about that word too now and anyone using it definitely isn't being radical and rare like him.

[@DonPoetas]

And yet Tony would say that even being freed from one's depression is not much of an upgrade, apart for the apparant self. Though it is true that after listening to Tony and really sinking your teeth in what he's saying you just can't take life too seriously anymore. But most of humanity, of course, takes life way too seriously.

[@Natalie.Kharchaf]

Freedom ❤

[@TheJunkieBox]

Mawwiage. Mawwiage is what bwings us togevah today...

[@williamolenchenko5772]

Consciousness creates duality for a purpose. The relative is not the ultimate, but it has a purpose and value. Be in no hurry to "transcend" it just because it is more than it appears to be.