Too Good To Be True? Buell Super Cruiser...

With the prospect of the new Buell Super Cruiser on the horizon, one has to wonder if it's too good to be true. Today I'm going over some of my concern about the potential new bike.
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[@peterwilson8039]

The Rotax motor is used in the Can Am spyder, and as such was rated dead last in reliability by that Consumer's guide reliability survey that came out a few years ago. Still it is company that has been around for a while, and makes motors for Aprilia, BMW and KTM and is well known quantity. Rotax engines were used in the 1125 Buell, as well as that EBR machine that Buell made after he left Harley. I think the concern might be more for the financial security of the Buell company rather than the engineering of the motorcycle, but every $50 deposit they get makes them a little bit more financially secure, and $50 isn't really that big of a gamble. You could give them $50 and in the worst case consider it a charitable donation.

[@JonsMotoGarage]

Thanks for the info on the motor. Yeah, I figured the same with the $50. Not a huge gamble either way...

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

The 1330cc triple Rotax in the Can-Am F3 bikes couldnt be more reliable.

[@khakimzhanmiras]

I had a rotax in my f800gs, zero reliability issues.

[@peterwilson8039]

I don’t have huge faith in consumer’s guide. In that survey they were looking specifically at the Spyder.

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

@@peterwilson8039 The earlier Spyders had issues, the 1,000 cc twins, but the triples have no problems.

[@freebehindbars8654]

After the EPA gets finished it will be 537lb 124 hp and $25k.

[@screennamenottaken2]

They need to get realistic and take more into consideration with emissions regulations. The masses don’t ride motorcycles like they do cars, performance motorcycles in particular. Bikes especially in this category (aimed toward power/performance) should be immune from emissions regulations. Same goes for high performance cars, boats, etc. The emissions they give off are minuscule in the big picture and I guarantee make no difference to the earth whatsoever.

[@markfortin8286]

Buell had an open house at their assembly HQ in Grand Rapids, MI last summer. I was able to make it up and check it out. The building also had a “Liquid Asset Partners” sign on it, which is the firm that currently owns Buell. That’s one of the big lingering questions; whether or not these guys are serious, or are just trying to build up enough interest to sell the company and turn a profit. The building is not particularly big, or distinctive. It appeared to be just a general warehouse space that was being used for their assembly needs. Some of the criticism I saw online when Buell announced their return was that these were “new” bikes mostly assembled from remaining EBR parts. There seems to be validity to that, as I saw at least one “EBR” labeled part on one of the new naked bikes they had on display. It was a part around the headlight. Pretty sure the Hammerhead had it, too. They have the same engine in all the bikes, and many have complained about the complete lack of electronics, which again suggests these are mostly old pieces being assembled now. On the flip side, if you are part of Buell’s mailing list, they recently sent out an email (it’s probably on the website as a press release, too) saying they are preparing to hire more people to expand the operation. So take that in to consideration. I can’t help but suspect this new Super Cruiser is mostly a marketing stunt. Time will tell. If we suddenly get a press release about “Buell’s new foreign owners,” we’ll know what the score was. I mean no negativity or malice here, just sharing my observations. I’m happy Buell is back, and I genuinely would like them to succeed. It would be great to have a noteworthy motorcycle company based here in Michigan.

[@robbyclark6915]

If Harley can build the sportster S and the Pan America, they can build something like this for less than $20k.

[@laurelv03]

Victory Octane 104 hp, 529 lbs. Just so much fun. They only made 4,000 before Vic closed so they are a bit of an unicorn. I am hanging on to mine ,value eems to be trending up.!!

[@paulwojnar2291]

From 1995 to 2008 I owned eleven Buells. From the S2 to the 1125R. Most were very reliable and much fun. The exceptions being the open frame 1997 Thunderbolt and the X 1 Lightening. Both were engineering disasters ( thats from Eric Buell ) He told me that at the races at Daytona. He was running EBR at that time. The 1125R was a quirky machine. I only bought it because my dealer was cleaing them out at a huge discount. I am currently on a 2022 Pan America. Its the machine that the Ulysses may have someday become. I use it for long haul and twisty mountain road touring. This is what I bought it for. As to its offroad prowess I cannot comment. My KLR is for that. For my use the Pan Am is a home run in my opinion its as good as its competition. I hope to see HD move forward with the Bronx as well. I am not very enamored with the Sportster S but only because its just not my type of bike. Nothing wrong with it. I wish Harley well with the Rev Max line. I will keep my 1200 Sporty till I drop. I wish the bew Buell sucess but doubtful. Without Eric is it really a Buell?

[@FXDLSBrooklyn]

All great points - Curious to see how this all plays out in the upcoming years

[@JonsMotoGarage]

My man! Hope you're doing well! 🤙💯

[@nikitis13]

I love it. I just wish Harley would have created this with their new Sportster line up. Not a fan of liquid cooling but Buell managed to make it look unobtrusive. It's a fine looking motorcycle. Probably no need for that kind of power. Agree, 100-120hp would have hit the sweet spot in a package that light.

[@danielreinhardt937]

Liquid cooling isnt a fan of you.

[@nikitis13]

Liquid cooling can stick its fan where the sun doesn't shine.@@danielreinhardt937

[@juanjgriego]

I got to sit on the prototype and Chris Pobanz from Buell cranked it up and gave it some nice brap revs during Daytona Bike Week. It is so sickly awesome. They have an active contract with Rotax to keep building these motors. I have a rotax on my 2009 Buell 1125CR and it's very reliable. People use the 1190 motors all of the time for drag racing. I get about 140hp with my 1125 and the 1190 is like 180+hp. Sounds frickin wicked and is such a quick to rev v-twin. It sounds like a helicopter on speed. There's just nothing like that sound. Also, Chris sold two Buells during Daytona Bike week. This dude is hauling bikes around in the Buell trailer just so people can bare witness to how cool they are. We've got to support American-made sport bike companies. If the Super Cruiser was out now it would be my second bike. Center mount controls and comfort too. It felt really comfy to sit on.

[@rayzorjay7331]

The Rotax in this one will be the same as the one in my 1190RX. It's NOT the same engine that's used in the spyder or in any other rotax application as it was custom designed by Erik Buell and Rotax just happened to have some designs that were very close to that already. Erik and Rotax worked together to make the 72 degree EV2 and then Erik bought the engine design outright so it's not even owned by Rotax anymore. Sure there were some issues with the Bike, but Bill Melvin (current Buell Inc owner) brought in the wizard that was solving all the issues with the mill on the side for all of us anyway, Jacob Stark, as CTO. SO that means the Solenoid issue has been fixed, the fuel pump issue has been fixed, the chain eating the swingarm has been fixed, as well as a myriad of smaller problems. I'm excited for this bike to come out, not because I want one, but mostly because of the excitement around Buell I see it drumming up.

[@daltonrichards2279]

#LordStark

[@fvgc454ss]

Owning an FXR, Lowrider ST, Buell xb12s and an EBR1190sx i absolutely Love this bike and that RSD is involved. Hope it does well! Love the channel btw

[@JonsMotoGarage]

I'm definitely hoping they deliver!

[@davidelizabeth4933]

"Liquid Asset Partners" specializes in purchasing, then liquidating business that go bust. They bought what was left of Erik Buell Racing in 2016. But they kept the company instead of immediately selling everything off. They've continued to make a small number of motorcycles since. Then through EBR in 2021, they also acquired the rights to the Buell name. All this to say...I am SKEPTICAL knowing who owns the company and how they acquired it. Erik Buell who is innovative and passionate to his core about motorcycles has been completely out of the picture since Liquid Assets' 2016 purchase. I suspect they're simply using the EBR and Buell names as a longer term business/investment strategy. I suspect they'll eventually sell everything off to the highest Chinese or Indian bidder after they've pumped up the company's perceived value as much as they can. Hopefully Roland Sands personally doesn't get burned in the end.

[@JonsMotoGarage]

All very interesting...

[@danbreejen8639]

I know the owners and I can tell you they are absolute motorcycle enthusiasts. They are in it to win it and they have the resources to make it happen.

[@sn0fx]

to be honest, who cares? Quality buell parts, roland sands designed cloned FXR, take my fucking money. I'll find my own shop that will service the motor and really could not care what dealer network they set up.

[@jesseallensworth2931]

I pre-ordered one and intend to purchase if it makes it to market. Easily has the most potential for real sales numbers compared to anything they make currently. I think pricing will be in the 18-25k range based on the current RX/Hammerhead prices, which max out at 25k for a fully optioned bike. Only time will tell, fingers crossed its real and they don't price it completely out of reality.

[@rhd26]

Personally I’m hopeful but skeptical. I’d say it’s 50/50 right now they ever make it to anyone’s driveway

[@goochma]

All valid points. It's a lot to think about. I mean the bike is a beast. It looks sick. But after thinking about it I asked myself a lot of the same questions you brought up in the video. I guess we'll have to wait and see if it comes to life and what it will cost to own.

[@juliancrooks3031]

I'd have to see one and try it before I would commit that kind of money. Without a dealer network it would be difficult to maintain the bike.

[@woliver79]

I agree my concern would be will the bike be just like prototype or will they water it down ie different exhaust

[@rustypistol8599]

I’d be thrilled if this was real. I’m both a naked sport fella and also 20 year HD equal too. This seems too good to be true and when it feels that way it is. Roland got his commission no matter what so he’s good, Buell can use this as a “hopeful” moment so all gains only for both parties. It’s also enough to get guys like me who have both naked bikes like Aprilia Tuono and Dyna’s with motors built in the same garage so I don’t know. If this is really going to happen, I’d love to ride one and be high chance I’d buy one too. I never really care about dealer help as most good wrenches I know are private anyway and better around a motor than any OEM guy could ever be. I’m more focused on the concerns of this even happening and if it’ll actually perform as planned. As of know we gotta mean ass chopper build that’s super epic but a custom build. It’s like a Woolie build from Deus, building a crazy Pikes Peak naked bike that’s bad ass. A production bike like this? Never seen it happen. If they do. It’ll be a 100 model build max, and 100 pounds heavier with 75 hp less. Then you can have the partners like SC Project, Thrasher, Saddleman etc., all be on board to make special order parts for that bike specifically, but super high priced. What I initially got super pumped and immediately buzz killed over was that “oh shit here we go, check this thing out!” Then, “oh 2025 plans? Ya this is just a game of just the tip, just for a second, to see how it feels”. Not likely to happen. 2 years from now? If they came out guns blazing ready to go and full send committed with even a 2024 release, ok they’re actually for real about this. In the Moto world nothing ever goes as planned, watch the Italians take 10 plus years to change a front end and only cosmetics on an Aprilia. It’s always talk and wishful thoughts. So if Buell is saying 2 full years before we hope for this release, without any dealer network whatsoever, or parts, consider that 5 years for expectations. To be overly fair, if sooner and they pull this off cuz they got enough of America’s, maybe even Canada’s $50 deposits that mean nothing, they’ll release it at 60% best of what Roland did here. Then it’s $25,999 but if you want this exact one, build it with the parts for another $7-$8 grand, now you’re low 30’s for what we’re seeing here. I’m all pure love for 2 wheels so I’m actually praying this thing is real, so don’t get my words twisted, I actually want this to happen. We’re also about to see Dyna Bros like myself who also love track riding naked bikes, do these types of motor swaps in FXR frames our damn selves.

[@ronaldalves4990]

They use these rotax engines ( made in Austria)for years in aprila s . Super reliable

[@josephfriedrich9792]

I belive that with the reception buell received from their shot at rendering a new bike, they pulled all their funds and paid rsd to make a one off. I doubt we'll see this in production

[@dynaordie8083]

All good points brotha, were on the same page. I'm just happy Buell will send a much needed msg to harley at the end of the day

[@jpalm500]

Why hasn't every bike company out there built a lightweight power cruiser? The only other lightweight power option is the diavel

[@7viewerlogic670]

Good info.

[@92dieselunit]

I really like the look of the bike. not sure what to think about the engine

[@screennamenottaken2]

Not sure why they wouldn’t make this bike, it seems to have a lot of excitement about it already and would nicely fill a niche area in motorcycling. I’m sure the acceleration would be awesome, but as far as stability at high speeds (100mph+) I’m not sure. You mentioned sport bikes being stable at high speeds while being light which is true but supersports also have a lot of aerodynamic fairings and the seating position makes the rider lean forward more also helping to cut through the wind. I’m a crotchrocket guy but this bike has caught my interest a bit. I hope they put it into production.

[@TayAlejandroCMisterBozos]

My dream bike before was ARCH KRGT-1 but I definitely don’t have that type of paper for a bike so for 1/4th of the peoce this is BUELL RSD Supercruiser fits the bill nicely

[@calincampbell5637]

Yep, same here. I cant believe it took this long to get a proper mashup of sportbike and cruiser.

[@TayAlejandroCMisterBozos]

@@calincampbell5637 let’s just see if it goes to production

[@russcoaus2043]

Hi BRO Great Stuff.👍

[@mycoolchannel-uj7pl]

Yes I am really interested in seeing how this turns out and am with You especially on what You said about having places to take it for services and repairs. My real curiosity is how fast is it with speed of 0-60, 1/4 mile and top end. This would give a real performance measure that can be compared to other bikes as well as the handling at going these speeds like You mentioned as well.

[@stevenrice8439]

My concern is whether the company will exist in 2025 and beyond.

[@kerrymcclure7503]

If they ever did go into production I would be afraid to buy one. It is an extremely hard Market to get into. I would be surprised if they lasted five years then you would have a really expensive boat anchor because you couldn't get parts.

[@Starlesslemon]

$20k is a great price when you're competing with things like a $27k lowrider St with half the performance.

[@back-woods]

They would be insane not to come out with this bike or something comparable to it at least, people have been going crazy for a factory stunt/muscle power crusier with real power and suspension.

[@moisessalazar2417]

My main concern if it goes into production is support

[@shazzadauncon3682]

I don't get it why HD isn't making a bike like this. They already have the engine for that

[@Larrs]

Thing looks great

[@Crimepaysaskapolitician]

My question is where did they strip the weight from? That bike weighs 216 lbs less than a 2017 dyna lowrider.

[@calincampbell5637]

Everywhere. Im sure the powertrain accounts for a lot of it, with the trans and primary being integrated instead of seperate components, then you have the forged lightweight wheels, single front brake disk and caliper, single shock absorber, lightweight aluminum swingarm, plastic under-tank airbox as opposed to a metal one hanging off the side, and a lotttt of little peices removed like covers, trays, bezels, etc. This bike has nothing it doesnt need to do what it needs to do and I love it

[@paulmarion7578]

I want Buell flat tracker street tracker like the Indian FTR .

[@getoffmygrass6974]

I had an 05 xb12r, great machine, nothing like it out there. The Rotax, can-am and Aprilla probably not user friendly but looks like a retro FXR and super cool. Eric is known for his build to order. He is so underrated and HD screwed him hard, they stole his Thundermax head design in 96 and ran them in the Sportster up until they stopped production.

[@SEEKANDDESTROY717]

Erik is not part of Buell anymore

[@getoffmygrass6974]

@@SEEKANDDESTROY717 Thanks for the hot tip 😂 I’m not sure how your response relates to anything I said but carrying on.

[@dplorbl]

Erik used to be a great machinist with some good ideas; when I met him, I counted my fingers twice - he is after all, a snake oil salesman and thankfully no longer part of this organization 😉

[@getoffmygrass6974]

@@dplorbl I don’t know him personally but Harley only owes him the salvation of their company then bent him over and kept all his designs.

[@robbyclark6915]

Oh no my man, I was called weird and basically stupid for bringing up these concerns and saying I would only buy it if it was built by Harley. Meaning, if I had Harley warranty, dealership network, aftermarket, and everything that goes with ownership of an expensive (and $20k is definitely expensive) motorcycle produced and sold by a reliable, established, worldwide brand. I can’t even test ride this $20k motorcycle before taking delivery of it. Not happening for me. Maybe if I had $20k to take chances with I would give it a shot, but I ain’t that guy.

[@kylemaness8768]

I just don't like the rear end look.i wish the fender wasn't so long or if there can be a different option

[@FreeSwimmer]

Love the look of the new Buell.. Im a Dyna nut and its a Dyna on steroids,

[@dplorbl]

Seen a couple of vids along with their display at Daytona, so I think it’s probably a go; doubtful RSD would allow his rep to be trashed by a manufacturer I’m glad Erik Buell isn’t part of it but I would be concerned buying something from a company owned by a liquidation firm 😉

[@ashlinahlip2122]

I agree, who can even work on these bikes, big concern

[@erisgh0sted961]

It's a rotax engine. Pretty much any motorsports shop should be able to work on them.

[@fvgc454ss]

The engine engine breakdown and repair manual is literally on KZbin. I own an EBR1190sx and it came with a jump drive with a video service manual on anything that has to be done.

[@1Bigduff]

rotax motors are well proven and used by can am, polaris, and many other brands. Service shouldn't be an issue. all your other concerns, are Issues that also come with Harleys. it is a lot of power, but buyer be ware. but you are correct, if it doesn't come to production, what's it matter. nice job.

[@rhodeisland_roadking]

Specs seem over the top or will be cammed for all top end. I realize this will be a hoonigan fxr but a more universally useful powerband and realistic specs should be the goal for v1. Think about the bikes that have that kinda power. Rocket 3, VMax, Superbikes. Something aint right.

[@GodxMischief]

just watched the interview from daytona bike week with the CEO, he said mid 20's for price. so probably 25k

[@jamesc6363]

This bike sounds like the VMAX I always wanted...

[@CactusJack252]

They actually have conflicting info on their site. The FAQ section has the following. What does my Pre-Order get me? A $50 Pre-Order gets you in line to be among the first to order a new Buell Motorcycle. This is a non-refundable pre-order. It is not an actual order and does not guarantee delivery. Is the $50 Pre-Order payment refundable? Yes, the $50 Pre-Order is refundable. Can I cancel my pre-order? Yes. You can cancel your pre-order at any time prior to confirming your order and model configuration, however you will not be able to receive a refund of your $50 Pre-order. Once you progress from pre-order to your confirmed order, cancellation requests will be at the company’s discretion. Pre-order does not guarantee vehicle delivery nor priority for ordering a vehicle. See Pre-Order Terms and Conditions for important details. What happens to the Pre-Order Payment once I order? The $50 pre-order payment is refundable and will be credited as part of the vehicle purchase process. So what is it?!?!?!?!

[@JonsMotoGarage]

Yeah, I saw that as well. Lol.

[@xpurpled]

I think it looks cool. Kinda looks like my Harley 🤣

[@km9235]

It's a Rotax engine. It's going to be fine

[@frankrizzo367]

Really hoping this happens, it's a hot bike!

[@covidvirus2810]

Love buells ..

[@brsha8762]

If this ever makes it to market AND gets decent sales traction.. expect Harley to respond in short order with a 170hp Revmax outfitted in their Lowrider S... soon followed by another chapter 11 by Buell.. they're basically doing free market analysis for Harley-Davidson... and they don't even know it.. lol

[@flashgordon6238]

Doubt it be legal for sale in California.

[@khakimzhanmiras]

I wish they would make the seat height higher, at least 32 inches.

[@noonewillbeme]

I am 6'6" and preordered one. Gonna just change up the seat and suspension if its too low

[@ivanmdgdl]

First again !!! Greetings Jon and family !!!

[@billthebard805]

It just sucks that we gotta wait till 2025 to find out.

[@brookcampbell2940]

Sucker Punch Sally and Norton under Stuart Garner took deposits, and we all know how that ended up. I personally almost gave both of them money. When the bike is sitting in a showroom then fork over the dinero, otherwise 20K can build a pretty rad FXR or FXDX

[@dimman77]

Specs are close to a Triumph Speed Triple RS naked. Triumph has 177hp and weighs 437lbs wet, $18.5k. However the Triumph looks like a bug, and the Buell looks absolutely awesome.

[@SuperMayhem24]

Best bike ever made

[@norseman5041]

I have over 40K on the clock on my EBR1190 RX. (same engine as this ugly ass machine) here are the issues: Leakage on the cooling water pump seal, starter full of water after riding in the rain, Stator winding cut by the engine positioning tooth, rectifier burnt. Mostly electrical and not so much mechanical issues. I would like to know how the air is filtered into the engine on this bike, it needs a LOT of clean air. I could list a lot of issues I had with my RX, but this platform is different so might not be = sign between the two. I did not understand your comment about ''too much hp'' this is pure hp out of a lightweight v-twin engine that was developed to be competing in the superbike class. Clearly this engine was never ever intended to be put into a boring ass 1970 kind of cruiser. But all the cruiser guys are now inline to the outhouse jerking off to something they spit on when it sat in the bike it was intended for.

[@ottomanbeatsofficial]

if its reliable 20k if fine. if it isnt then 10k max.

[@JRTC88]

Way north of 20K. I'm thinking around 35K. Im exicted about a performance bike at 450lbs. Really doubt they will sell many becuse only real guys will buy them and at this point all I see is kids on EV scooters.

[@woliver79]

It is a refundable deposit

[@Mattdana26]

Lol, this is a bike only a few people will ever get unless you wanna wait 8 years, how many seriously can they make per month if they do

[@thomasg3677]

Buell has done it before

[@paulwojnar2291]

Begs the question. Why doesnt Harley do this with the Pan America 150hp engine

[@viperq]

IMO Buell can only survive if it is owned by a major motor company.

[@danbreejen8639]

The people who own Buell have all the resources needed.

[@phillipbatho3213]

This video makes me think cruiser guys are in their own world and don't realize what other bikes are capable of.

[@Heavywall70]

I’m sorry but I highly doubt it will be anything near affordable.

[@chadolivera6574]

U have a drz 😂

[@vernegibb621]

I don't think the price will be under 35k.

[@JWScott007]

Too much power? Lmao.

[@pek7629]

"Only weights as much as DRZ." is the worst analogy or comparision I've heard. Not even in your dreams it's possible to get that lightweight FXR / Dyna sized bike.

[@JonsMotoGarage]

I was thinking the drz weighed in the 400 lb range but I was about 100 pounds off. Lol.

[@pek7629]

@@JonsMotoGarage Mistakes were made lol. It sounded so off to me I admit I scoffed out loud a little bit

[@carl9531]

20 years to late.

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

not worth the money look how much bike you can get from bmw f900 of a z900 for so much less money.

[@djones7725]

I wouldn’t waste my time or money on it. Buell always going bust and most likely this would never make it to market anyhow. Long standing companies producing quality bikes always best option.

[@Burzurk1987]

It’s a piece of crap! I don’t like it.

[@Dragonflywins]

It's a hideous looking thing

[@BigSexyWizard]

I think people need to be realistic. This is a low production tailor made model of bike similar to an arch in that aspect that it’s not gonna be this mass market machine. I doubt it’ll be anywhere near sub 25k for a bike. It’s cool but that’s a lot of custom parts and a fully aftermarket frame. This isn’t a bike built for the average dyna bro or softail homie this is a riders bike it will require proper maintenance and proper care. You want a premium bike you gotta pay premium cash. I wouldn’t be surprised if it ranges from 25k-35k not including any specific options that may be available. I think you will see these mostly in the hands of higher end consumers. This will be owned by top riders and big dick swingers with fat wallets

[@daltonrichards2279]

I think the harley bros who buy one of these will be horrified by the maintenance schedule thats familiar to supersport owners. I had two RXs over the last 5 years. I think there will be a fuckton of "my buell is broken and i dont know why" videos made in 2025-2026 not because the bike broke but because the owners broke it. Harley type self repair guys thinking they know whatsup (not saying they dont know BUT its basically a different skill set) and then the engines go boom

[@nbowling10trio]

It would likely be very easy for Harley to beat Buell to the punch by offering a cruiser version of the new sportster.