TOO MUCH TORQUE KILLS GOTWAY HIGH SPEED MSP - Wheel Life Rally 2021

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[@GiffysChannel]

5:13 Great demonstration of a cutout. Best I've seen.

[@timlayzell5093]

Man I flinched when it cut out on you. Thanks for the good video comparing torque to speed.

[@UStride]

First casualty and the race hasn't even started yet 🤪🤣

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

I hate to admit it, but you had me cracking up within 6 seconds. "That is NOT how you do that" is what first came to mind. Doh! Thanks for the vid man! It aint too much torque, its too little of everything else! YOu can SMELL circuit burns. Grab a multimeter and chase down the voltage/grounds...

[@revolvingrider2146]

Great video, me and my friend made a "drinking game" out of it.🤣 We had to drink every time you said "torque", and we both got really drunk 🤩#sundayfun

[@UStride]

Hahahaha

[@alexutlang]

This could have been a good test for your side rails protector. Glad your ok

[@stevesadventures3346]

Hope you get it working and post fix on youtube. Love your vids that's why i got my msp hs hope mine lasts now for at least a few thousand miles

[@SwitchUpYt]

I'm pretty sure you just showed me how I had my accident on my MSP HS . I took off and then I was on the ground. Never knew what happened but I was leaning hard. Guessing I had the same issue.

[@UStride]

Yeah man

[@pastoria3]

Good thing you got protective gears. I leaned hard once and cut out within the first second on my MCM5 much like you did here. I was doing that bent knees full body weight lean like you. But my wheel was around 50 % battery that time and I had a backpack with around 20 lbs things in it. I weight around 145 lbs. The wheel was able to turn back on though. Your situation here is weird because you charged it full. Since then, I'm never going to lean hard like that.

[@Flip-Uno]

The HT wheel will be the best choice for the race that track doesn't have a long enough straight away to take advantage of the night speed. Keep in mind Cobra won riding a V11 so that alone lets you know speed is not a factor for this race.. the track is tight with alot of sharp turns back to back so you really want to practice sharp turning at high speed in succession.. I'm driving up to Boston to pick up a MSX in a week or so I will hit you up when I do.

[@UStride]

Very true..nice dude congratulations

[@Flip-Uno]

@@UStride Thanks man!

[@fred-jandejong244]

At least your new shoes were not damaged! Please let us know how the uci is fixed again! 🌞👍

[@UStride]

Haha so true

[@RobUKTH]

😯 Glad you’re ok! 🙏

[@UStride]

Thanks man

[@noelwebley1970]

Thanks for showing us what is the different it seems like gotwayway don't have good quality stuff anymore. This is just my opinion that doesn't have any weight. But they care about speed and torque but not the quality of the motherboard. The Sherman is excellent. Even in motion is good quality. King song is good quality but when we get to the gotway that's always a problem there's a problem with batteries and everything so I was not surprised that something was going to happen to one of those MSP. Keep up the good work in demonstrations.

[@UStride]

There are videos out there of Inmotion and kingsongs dying aswell for no apparent reason, the different with Gotway is just how popular they are. It's just a matter of scale. Gotways are pushed harder than any other wheel on the market even the sherman. So naturally you will hear of more issues simply because of how popular they are and the type of riders who purchase them. But to your point, as popular as Gotways are, they should definitely care more about quality especially with their electronics. In my case I've never had anything happen to any of my Gotways and I've been riding for almost 4 years now as an aggressive rider. This situation is and outlier for me because I did push it hard. I don't think most Inmotion and kingsong riders ride any where near as hard as Gotways

[@peterpec6]

@@UStride I agree, Gotway's get a lot of abuse from people that don't really think things through properly.

[@UStride]

@@peterpec6 that's including myself lol

[@mig6220]

"Why we wear gear.." Even the best of us go down. Good to see u walk it off like that...👍🏾

[@UStride]

Yes sir. Very true. You didn't see it, but I have elbow best under my long sleeve

[@aleshaborisovich]

@@UStride Good video. I'm happy you're safe.

[@TheThunderwars]

*Faceplants* - Oh that's interesting. Bro, last time I cut out at 50 km/h, I said nothing and got up making some grandpa level sound.

[@rocketsnail8338]

Maybe it burned out because of the hard acceleration maybe it was it’s time to go. Waiting for the results on it

[@kaetee79]

That's the only thing I worry about with these wheels u never know when it's their time to go.....now just imagine if he was doing 35 mph & it just cut out like that.... SMH these wheels need to be a little more safer

[@rocketsnail8338]

@@kaetee79 They should make something for it so wheel will not go down like that,prevent cut offs from speed can be fixed through software but from technical perspective issue they need to come up with something new.

[@GiffysChannel]

@@kaetee79 I honestly don't think you can get any safer without adding another wheel.

[@francoisdreesen9684]

You could measure if you have voltage on that connector with a multimeter

[@UStride]

Yeah will do

[@kingcreole9815]

Good video, are you going to use the U-rail @ the race?

[@UStride]

Yes absolutely. Yahs will

[@jaymoose4337]

I can't imagine not having pads on those... I have both of those wheels, but on my high speed version, I have the MSP Pedals (spiked), combined with pads ... MAN! Way more control. My 16x still has no pads or anything on it and it feels SO dangerous. But I just ride to the store for food on the 16x. I didn't like pads either, but I saw really quick that I needed them. The spiked pedals I was on the fence about aswell, but I paid Law to make me a couple pair after riding with him in the past (only thing I actually trust from him, but that's another story) and I'm very secure now. You can be thrown so easy without pads and spiked pedals that it's scary

[@Not_Evil_]

Not sure if the new batches of rs hs Improved since the video.. but I’m looking for a new wheel, and basically can get either the HS for 2k or HT for 2400.. tight budged tho

[@meuconmyeuc1337]

Working on office equipment and computers for 2 decades now, most damage can only be seen on the underside of the circuit board.🤔 Unscrew the board and look for burn marks there. If there was board damage, that's where it'll be. 🔥 😉👌

[@UStride]

Thanks a ton man

[@meuconmyeuc1337]

@@UStride My pleasure. Love watching U Stride around on your EUCs. 😁 see what I did there? 😋

[@UStride]

@@meuconmyeuc1337 haha, yes I saw that lol

[@yishaiyah6783]

I'm glad you're okay brother

[@UStride]

Thanks

[@secretdaisy6484]

I'm not an expert but is it possible the power switch is out? You probably need an amprobe to test for current starting from the beginning of the power circuit which is the initial power switch. It could very well be the motor got too much power surge & the overload killed it. Everything looks ok in there as far as no burnt wires but you know that's not all there is to it. A defective electronic component like a capacitor could have died. Good thing you weren't going full speed when it cut out. I had no idea that the wheel would stop turning like that. Your shoes look good. Changing shoes is always a challenge. Just wear them around until they feel normal. Have you thought about putting small sliders like on sport bikes but smaller on the ‘corners’ instead of using the U Rail? I was thinking that might be an easier & cheaper way to go. I have them for my Ninja just in case to protect all the plastic of the fairing. Can you mount the camera on your helmet? Not telling you what to do just running some suggestions by you. 😉👍☮️🌞🌟

[@archeebookingagent1909]

the mosfets are burned.. you might not see it but i'm sure if you take the board apart you would see it.. the spark is only when capacitors are empty.. since the mainboard won't power you can discharge them.. if you take voltmeter and measure them.. you will see they are nearly full or equal to the battery at least at the time of filming.. if you unplug motor and power the board it would at least light up the BT module, you pushed too much current through the fets so chances are something burned there

[@MathieuTechMoto]

Glad i discovered this channel, think about buying one so this is great information, did you find the culprit ?

[@EUCRolling]

The XT60 connectors are not sparking when you reconnect them due to the capacitors were never discharged/drained cause the on/off button is not responding. In other words your capacitors are fully loaded, be careful on handling a live MBoard!

[@UStride]

Wow thanks for that. YIKES

[@noelwebley1970]

For myself I'm not buying any type of Gotway product at all. They have a long failure rate of EUCs.. yes they go fast and may have toque ..but they don't last long at all..

[@yeahbuddy6852]

So bs from you.... Jisses

[@sailingsinequanoneuc5265]

5000km on my ACM2 and 3000km on my MSP without issues so far. I think Gotway wheels tend to take more of a beating than others... mind you I beat up my kingsongs too but those wheels tend to talk alot, so Im kind of forced to ride them less aggressively. Cheers

[@peterpec6]

@@sailingsinequanoneuc5265 I agree

[@grb1969]

Is there a fusible link on the battery?

[@UStride]

I'll have to check

[@deridionentertainment]

Its too bad you cant have the best of both world. Because u need torque to get out of the turns quicker but u also need speed for your straight away, so it really comes down to the track. if there is more turns go with the torque version but if there is more straight away then go with the speed. Thats the best advice i can give you for your race

[@kmg501]

Seems to me that really the torque version is a normal version while the speed version is the outlier. Reasoning being that the torque gives you the normal safety overhead while the speed version doesn't. EDIT: BTW, the lack of the safety overhead would appear to mean that in an emergency stop that the speed version has a significantly higher chance of cut out.

[@UStride]

Very true.

[@Index-o1234]

That only leaves the motor itself perhaps the windings that produce the electrical current which produces the mechanical force to turn the wheel has been damaged somewhere.

[@Electrik_TorqueMan]

Wow! That was unexpected, interesting indeed. Glad you didn’t get to pick up any speed and didn’t get hurt, specially with the race coming up soon! That could have possibly put you out of contention. Keep us updated on that wheel. I’d like to know what went wrong. Stay safe Bro 🦾

[@UStride]

Will do thanks man

[@ya0urt]

Hey man, I just had a cut off while riding my MSP and I think the same component burnt out. Did you manage to fix your wheel by now ? Did you change the component or the motherboard ? Please let me know, im pretty helpless here. Thank you

[@UStride]

Yeah I plan on replacing the board instead of just the component. Hope you were not hurt

[@ya0urt]

@@UStride thank you for the reply mate ! I will probably do the same but I was considering changing the component for a japanese one. If I managed to find the right one. Hopefully everything will be back to normal soon. I just love my MSP.. can't wait to ride it again. 👊

[@ya0urt]

@@UStride hey Jediah ! Let me update you, I did change the motherboard, but I put hight temp. silicone on the "legs" of the condos. In my case they burnt because of water damage, so I decided to go that way. Then I waterproofed the board with the same silicone. So far everything is ok. I don't want that to happen again. Looking forward to know how things are going with you and your MSP. Ride Safe.

[@hammyhamster4045]

Judging by the rest of the build quality on gotway wheels I'd guess the electronic components aren't the best quality. Constant hard acceleration and braking would cause massive power spikes and something will fail eventually. I'm no expert but will be interesting to see what failed. I'm guessing control board. Glad you're ok and lucky it happened at low speed. 🙏

[@UStride]

I know right? Good thing it wasn't any faster

[@stefanclooneykannika]

You learned the difference between 2500W c38 and 2000w c30. Remember Tesla was 2000w.

[@UStride]

I've never cut out on the Tesla even with extremely hard acceleration. I think the Tesla tire size had alot to do with that

[@stefanclooneykannika]

@@UStride i did, came around a corner about 20kph then leaned hard into it , it cutout at 52kph. Other times it cutout about 67kph. But i said this all to you last year.

[@juliansdiamonds]

Goodness, I'm glad your ok. Please let me know what happened, I ride that wheel every day 🙏!!!

[@UStride]

Like I said, like you I've ridden this wheel a ton but never this hard off the line. There were times where I felt the limit of the torque but never pushed it beyond, this time, there was no warning. I think I pushed beyond it's limit too much to fast

[@juliansdiamonds]

@@UStride gotcha. God bless 🙌you. Be safe. I wish you luck on your race.

[@Stan0619]

BC sabotaged your wheel. Some guys will do anything for a win!

[@UStride]

Hahaha I doubt that... hilarious

[@JKZD]

I’m willing to bet a series connection in the battery burnt out, since there’s no spark, it leads me to believe there is an open circuit in the battery. You described it as a pop? Since nothing is visible on the controller, that sounds like the nickel connecting some cells got hot and burnt causing an open circuit. No power to the controller suddenly = cut out. If you have another set of batteries I would check the controller just to rule it out I would check the terminals of the battery, if it is like above then you wouldn’t ready any voltage across the pack, individual cells should be fine though. Gotta cut open that heat shrink and check the connections. Your a well built dude so the current the motor is drawing high all the time, esp on the high speed. That added with a bad quality spot weld (high resistance) probably accelerated the problem as it heat cycled Good luck with the race

[@UStride]

Yeah I'll have to check that. Good observation

[@noelwebley1970]

Yeah I can understand your grief. It doesn't make any sense for both of them to have messed up motherboard problems. I understand that things happen but it happens more with Gotway products.

[@UStride]

Well the 84V was my fault, I shorted it

[@devinkruse1301]

This is exactly what happens to the Ninebot Z10 running near a 1000 miles. Over heats the capacitor and burns the mosfets in the end.

[@UStride]

Interesting

[@wipeout5006]

Have figure out what happened to the wheel not turning on? And what did you do to fix it?

[@nsblite1]

What one do you like better I’m stuck between both I think I want the high speed but kinda like to go fast off the line as well....Help?

[@UStride]

I love the high speed better, I just like the torque for off-roading and racing where there is tight corners

[@lawlaxinaakayourfavorite]

Just bring both bro! Lol

[@lawlaxinaakayourfavorite]

You probably burnt your mosfets?

[@UStride]

@@lawlaxinaakayourfavorite I'm have to check

[@901Babyboy]

Woooow cut out n quit now that’s a answer to the question

[@UStride]

Lol nah

[@901Babyboy]

@@UStride was the perfect video for me because I was stuck between the 2 as a 2nd wheel

[@UStride]

@@901Babyboy glad it helped

[@MCCOLDT]

Why dont they make it so you can choose the mapping from your app and switch betweeen HT and Speed? Maybe a duel mothjerboard that you can switch?

[@SirRolandSK]

hi! What’s your opinion on the EX.N? have you tried it yet?

[@UStride]

No serious opinion unfortunately. I haven't ridden it

[@ledgamer3554]

I'm about to buy a new euc but I'm a heavier rider which one should I get the torque one or speed one

[@UStride]

Torque is recommended if you're choosing between speed and torque.

[@ledgamer3554]

@@UStride thanks for the quick response buying now

[@ayhanaygun8294]

i wonder how you fix it. After removing the battery, do not forget to press the open button and discharge the capacitors.

[@UStride]

Sure thing

[@secretdaisy6484]

Yes definitely discharge the capacitors. Good call. 👍

[@loufugier3481]

wow, I hope you will be able to fix it ! I'm a 140lb rider on my msx ( 2020 version) , i really want buy a msp torque version, do you think it's worth it for a light guy like me? thanks

[@UStride]

Sure what not.

[@troyb8579]

i just got the 2021 Gotway Msuper X .. its my 1st wheel.. Im starting to get the hang of it,, I hope it doesnt die like this.... i already got straches on it :(

[@kelseylantz1989]

Wait? Begode made a new msx?

[@frozenwalkway]

@@kelseylantz1989 it's a 2500 watt motor at 84v it's on ali express stores

[@JochemStrien]

I got the exact same wheel, I bought it in january 2021, its my first wheel too. Got 3100km on it atm and max speed 62.8 km/h 😋

[@stealtherider3008]

It was not too much torque, you leaned too much causing the cutout. It was your error not the euc.

[@UStride]

That's possible. I could see that. No actually that's exactly it. But I leaned harder on the torque version msp and it handled it nicely. So yeah you're right. The high speed is exactly that, high speed

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

U-Stride...I hate your timing. I was about to order the MSP high speed. Edit Not a mainboard problem? I don't think it's the motor.

[@UStride]

Yeah if you plan on doing hard torque riding I wouldn't recommend it. Maybe the torque RS will be better because I think it's motor is more powerful, but then you have the issue with the hollow motor (I heard)

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

@@UStride It will not be my torque wheel. I got my eye on the Ex.N for torque. I ordered the Tesla V2, but the seller contacted me and said V2 wasn't available. So now I am searching for a second wheel. Because I ordered the Sherman, but it is still in UPS limbo (warehouse). Hopefully if I ordered the Gotway MSP hs today, I will get it Tuesday (local store).

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

@@UStride Ok update. The Torque version will be send to me today. So...tomorrow

[@UStride]

@@BunnyslippersEUC congrats man. Powerful wheel

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

@@UStride The seller called me. "Yeah sorry. There are 2 versions of the wheel. The info on the website is incomplete. Which one do you want? My awnser. Torque version... because I am a heavy guy. And I don't want to face plant (like U-Stride). And the faster Sherman is on the way.

[@DontKeeptheFaith]

Man, you hate to see that happen.

[@kaetee79]

What's the life expectancy of these wheels? Like if ur not an extreme rider about how long will a wheel actually last u b4 either the motor go or the main board burns out🤔

[@slidersgliders5516]

Gotway for you.

[@moistmansion6927]

Did you ever find out what the issue was??

[@UStride]

This was the high speed version. I pulled off the starting line to hard which caused the capacitor to be overloaded. Pedals tilted back 3 degrees in hard mode allowing for optimum response ans torque. A good torque pad would have resulted in the same thing kzbin.info/www/bejne/q529YoSHmKmpgLs

[@moistmansion6927]

@@UStride ahh the capacitor.. thank you very much! Will check that vid out as well

[@noelwebley1970]

Yeah I hope nothing happened neither to your MSP... because that's a lot of money that people are buying these and they having all kinds of crazy problems from Gotway... pretty soon I can see people will start fading away from buying their product. It just an opinion that's all. Gotway have to start improving their quality of their product.

[@fazer12779]

How many kg’s do you weigh?

[@UStride]

210lb with gear 95kg

[@thedualtronmanex5757]

Did you ever pin point the problem

[@UStride]

Yes the capacitor exploded...I made a video on it.

[@100realtorah3]

What's your opinion about the one wheel motorcycle.

[@brandonchan729]

Missed opportunity to test the urail

[@UStride]

Very true lol it will have it's time

[@v4v777]

Dangg... that was bad... maybe some capacitor or something was burned on the motherboard that is not visible to the eye... at least now you know which wheel to use in the race.

[@UStride]

Yup thanks man

[@davidmitchell2766]

Show time will win 🥇

[@UStride]

I know right. She has a faster wheel now. So happy for her

[@davidmitchell2766]

I love show time her smile lights up the EUC world

[@dogshow9635]

Praying your wheel is ok! Love your videos. Good luck w/the race!

[@noelleonard2498]

What kind of wheel doesn't even give you any kind of warning and just cuts out? Oh that's right gotway does

[@killianelson]

Burned fuse?

[@tiaguerra7002]

Wow!!careful now.are u ok? It look hurtful

[@UStride]

I'm good thanks

[@nhguy9950]

Yikes!

[@nhguy9950]

Glad you're OK man 👍😎

[@tiaguerra7002]

You lean forward to much I see

[@UStride]

Yeah for that wheel

[@yishaiyah6783]

My inmotion v11 cut off

[@UStride]

Like I tell people there are other wheels doing similar things, they're just not as popular or pushed as hard as Gotways. I hope you're ok

[@yishaiyah6783]

I sent the v11 back and getting a refund and I see you ride the got way rs which one would you recommend the high speed or torque I see the high-speed cut out on you when you accelerated fast and I like to accelerate fast so which one do you prefer I get

[@UStride]

@@yishaiyah6783 well this is an older high speed MSP not the rs. I think the new RS high speed is more powerful. Check ewheels

[@yishaiyah6783]

@@UStride OK bet

[@yishaiyah6783]

Do they still make MSP

[@JasonMacpherson]

A similar thing happened to my MSP. Try unplugging the cut off switch. The push button is really cheap and fragile. I broke mine in a zero MPH crash. I fixed it by simply unplugging the cut off switch.

[@UStride]

Will definitely check that out

[@yeahbuddy6852]

What says THE app ? Max current?

[@UStride]

I wasn't connected unfortunately. Didn't expect this to happen

[@yeahbuddy6852]

@@UStride allways connect to wheel, lesson learnd now 👍

[@yeahbuddy6852]

@@UStride when DO you expect to fall / crash ? 🤭🤔

[@UStride]

@@yeahbuddy6852 that's a good question for a video actually? But for starters, if I'm about to slip like if there is very little traction and I don't listen to the wheel but push, if I push beyond the wheels ability to handle my request...in this case it was entirely unexpected and so I'll have to add this to my list but I'll have to study why it happened exactly

[@yeahbuddy6852]

@@UStride iam also rideing MSP c30 high Speed. I have Frank pads and kerambits never felt that i lacking of torque.... Never skiped magnet or even Close i think but that i dont know.... Hnmm have to try that Gear Up as f u c k ....

[@scottdmartin]

Get your brother to time you on split time also from corner to corner. For your acceleration / times between sections. Also practice passing other riders. Maybe use your brother as a test racer

[@UStride]

Good points. I was supposed to have a fellow rider with me but he got a flat

[@BlackDaddy]

Do not start your video out like that! I was not supposed to laugh at that😭. For sure was not expecting that at all.

[@UStride]

Hahahaha

[@tiaguerra7002]

The video is to blk.cant see well.maybe 1of the wired lose

[@mrclickclickboom69]

yo brotha the same thing happened to mine hahahaha.