Tool Offsets Explained - Haas Automation Tip of the Day

[@haasautomation]

Here is the updated link to the bonus content: www.haascnc.com/video/Video-Bonus-Content.html Thanks for watching!

[@thegreedyturtle]

Can you give us a link to the Spindle Probe Video mentioned?

[@terrylwesterhold7892]

Would love to see a video on cutter compensation.

[@adamwg80]

Since it is a big topic how about a video dedicated to cutter compensation? I would love to hear the knowledge and tips you have on that topic!

[@seraphim1833]

Just program everything with wear. Trust me, it’ll save you a ton of head ache.

[@patgar1956]

Keep up the good work Mark,excellent video and instructions. Cheers from Australia. Thanks

[@haasautomation]

Thanks Patrick. Cheers. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@keithhansen3963]

Great video Mark. What would also be very helpful is to learn how to set a tool length offset the old fashioned way in the next gen control. Sometimes you might not be able to get the probe somewhere and just want to lower the tool and tough off on paper or something.Thanks again

[@keithhansen3963]

Thanks killerdoxen. I just watched it. For some reason I thought that video was the old control as all the Z values in the work offset page on my Next Gen have a positive machine Z listed. So I think I;ve got it now. I'll try it out. Thanks again

[@haasautomation]

Keith - The video that killerdoxen linked to is the closest thing we have (kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3_Nfnx_h9mnfKc). We try and keep people from mixing-and-matching tool offset setting methods. We should probe all of the tools, or set all of the tools manually. When probing, our tool lengths are the positive length of our tools from gage line to tip. When setting manually, the Tool Offset is a negative value, from the tip of the tool (when at the workpiece/touchoff point) to the machine home. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.

[@nisekisser11]

Haas Automation, Inc.

[@billruss6704]

If you don't have a automated tool probe here is a way to do it manually kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6rHeZmpp8tghKs

[@eloisewright2237]

How would you probe a fly cutter? Do a similar process to the shell mill?

[@alanporter2694]

Very good, and helpful to someone new to the Hass machine /controller.

[@PieceMaker]

Hey Mark, your videos are the reason why I convinced my boss to order a Haas as our very first CNC mill, despite the fact, that we are living in a country, which is heavily occupied by Siemens and Heidenhain (Germany). The VM6 was just delivered and I'm already doing all kind of funny things with a hacked Autodesk post (using it as a lathe, screw driver, etc.). When hand jogging, I would love to have tool length compensation being added to my current Z under the Positions tab or somewhere on the NGC's display. Any idea how to do this?

[@haasautomation]

PieceMaker - Thanks for the comment. I just got an email from the guys over at Autodesk, reminding me that they can write all of this tool probing right into their Post, so it probes the tools automatically if they are defined in Fusion/Inventor HSM. Have fun with the new machine. If you come across any topics for videos, as you set things up, send them to us at [e-mail]. - Mark, Haas-Tip-of-the-day.

[@michaeludzinski2338]

such a great teacher Mark

[@RockerGuy0001]

I really love the usability & interface of the Haas.

[@donaldhollingsworth3875]

At GE we used a square tool probe that was attached to the back of the enclosure not on the bed to prevent chips & coolant from it. Some of the tool probes had enclosures that opened & closed to prevent any chips, coolant or damage to the tool probe. Also, all of the tools lengths & diameters were inputted into the part program by the engineers to prevent any operator error if the operator had to input all those values themselves. And, all of the tools should be put in the tool changer in the order that they are used.

[@EduardSidorov-i3f]

Mark Thank you for the instructional video.

[@paddyreilly3681]

Thank you so much for your video! The link for your bonus content for "programming wonks" like me doesn't appear to be working. Can you update it? Thanks!

[@tonygombas491]

Thank you mark once again your videos are very informative excellent !!

[@TheWoodyNash]

Oh wow! No one watched this video to the end or they would have told you Mark you never touched off that shell mill tool. Could you make a video or correct this one that actually shows the tool being touched off?

[@Mike-pv3hg]

My wife touches off my tool

[@evanorner]

I am working on my CNC Nims and for our mill it has the older HAAS controller and we have to hit prog convrs 3 times and it takes us to the probing page and we have a subprogram set up. I wish our HAAS machines had the next gen controls they are alot easier than the older ones.

[@ltomuta]

One thing that does not compute: say I want to use a tool with two different wear compensations to mill two different features. Say the tool is T4 and I want to use G41 D4 for one feature and G41 D45 for another. When I do the later, as explained in this video, D45 references two columns on row 45, the Diameter Geometry and Diameter Wear. Why both? I'm working with T4, so I want the D45 wear to be applied to T4's probed Geometry Diameter value.

[@ドラッグスターマン]

It's a very useful video and it's very useful for my work. I use Shaas Cnc VF-2 VF-5 EC400 in Japan. I would also like you to make a detailed description of VF-to-Toolbreakprobing VPS.

[@MDmi3y]

Good afternoon! Thank you for your “Tip of the Day”, I learned a lot of new things, several questions arose on this video, when measuring the end mill, your mill moves by the radius, this does not happen on my machine, the end mill is measured in the center, how to make it move? when measuring the "Shell Mill", the cutter is shifted along the "Y" axis, but it is necessary that it is shifted along the "X", how will this be achieved?

[@ismaelfelix8771]

Muchas gracias, por poner los subtítulos en español, ya que no entiendo mucho el inglés, espero que puedan hacer más vídeos como este, Gracias 🇲🇽

[@thomashenderson3901]

@Haas Automation, Inc. Can this system be set up on older Haas mills like a VF-OE? I've just bought one and would love be able to automate tool set ups and work offsets.

[@jjameskern]

How would you set a left handed fluted end mill for legth and diameter. The regular setting for this will rotate the mill in the wrong direction and will end up cutting into the stylus on our tool setter.

[@pinpointcam2636]

Hi Mark, I have noticed that the tool offsets table has only for digits after the dot, but it will read and correct at least up to 5 digits, is there a way to display the 5th digit on a HAAS next generation control? Thanks for your videos, I find them extremely useful.

[@trazy38]

can you please do a video on part zero, on Z axis using 123 block and horz indicator

[@wahhsee]

Hello, Can you please explain how you would set a miniature end mill with the probe? I am trying to measure a .003 Thou flat end mill but I feel like the machine is feeding the tool to the probe too fast and causing the end mill to break. I know it is a very tiny tool but was hoping you guys can help with this! Thank you!

[@haasautomation]

Asad Wasi -We can’t mix probed and not-probed tool offsets, so if a tool is so small that I need to touch it off manually, I will use a unique Work Offset (G55…) that wasn’t probed as well. I will dip my finger in coolant, or oil, wipe the part to make it reflective, and jog the tool down to the part on the smallest jog increment while looking at it through a magnifying loupe. When the tool and the tool’s reflection meet, I will press Tool Offset Measure. We have a brief piece of video that shows this (in reverse) here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqjYm6KOq8x6sKM . Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@ahmadmehmood3276]

Can you not also do the same thing using a thin piece of paper in between ?

[@sonnguyen-bh5zd]

Hi Mark, why some tool position says spindle?

[@kostitras7777]

@haasautomation hello. i have lathe ST15 with live tool, axis Y and NGC system. I changed flute values in tools offsets from zero to two. Now when I use the milling tool(live tool), it is not correct in the Y axis. And problem is i cant change back the values in flute to zero. please help me.

[@energiasolaroff-grid3544]

Hello friend, what is the parameter number to disable the function that puts zero together with the letter example X inserting the command creates X0 only I would just like to insert the X.

[@nielsklavers7115]

Mark, my sharp aluminium plates would chip if i'm using the toolprobe.... Also diamont tools are a no go. What about your plates ?

[@nielsklavers7312]

haas?

[@melvia89]

Hello there, I have a question, m59 p1133 G04 P1.0 M59 P1134 aktivate other M codes(M51-55, M61-65) why? We have a air Tools on m51,m52 / m61,m62 bounded and every use from the Probe Tools activat it but we no found more information. Haas Mini Mill

[@rexmundi8154]

When I input the approximate diameter of my tool on my next gen controller I get a message saying "setting 142 offset exceeds allowance press y/no to continue" The numbers I’m inputting are in the range allowed. What am I doing wrong?

[@JarppaGuru]

9:26 yeah your method mesuring manually give tool height 16 inch when probe give 4 inch. haha. but now have probed measure you can find out all data to manually get same tool height.

[@jacobsuzuki9121]

how can I back up all tools & work offset data to usb drive?

[@Repomam2000]

How do you probe tool 11 when there are only 10 pockets in the tool changer?

[@borawskikrzysztofkali77]

good video

[@Khadarbashaabdul143]

@ Hass Automation, Your Video is very useful. In my Shop floor I have 8 Hass Milling Machines of few variants, including 2 UMC machines, 1 Hass VF9, I have one small Specific question, I want to Use Right Angular Head on my VF9, I am struggling to define its L1, L2 values on the controller, can a support or guide me ?

[@markterryberry4477]

Hello Khadar. Take a look at our Right-Angle Toolholder video where we talk about touching off these special tools kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4OyZHiKfJZrmNU

[@naretthadoungsorn8278]

I want to see automatic offset tool length offset can you have?

[@guildtitan]

What is the smaller diameter endmill anyone has touched on this setter?

[@haasautomation]

Panzerclaws claws - I’ve set .002” (.05mm) diameter, 15° included, carbide single-lip cutters with the Tool Setting Probe. I would always touch off the small cutters manually by using a Loupe, bringing the tool down above the part until I could see the tip of the tool meet its reflection on the part, non-contact. Over time, I gave in and just started trusting the tool probe. I haven’t had any problems with tool breakage. Maybe we can get some comments from others with small-diameter-tool experience with probes. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@guildtitan]

Nice, I'm a micro machinist and I use .001-.010 dia. endmills on a daily basis. I use the Blum laser for tools not smaller than .002, and sometimes depending on the setup a microscope camera to do what you used to do with the loupe;). I just purchased a VF2-SS with the tool setting option and was wondering about that. Thank you Haas.

[@pgmkgus1]

A question. I am new in cnc so want to know tool wear under offset. +1 in z means a hole for exemple will be 1mm short. What about radius? will a pocket be 1mm smaler if i set -0.5mm on radius?? So i can see exactly how much i need to change to be in the tolerance. thanks

[@trazy38]

i normally put. 010 in endmill diameter. that leaves. 010 for finishing. depths if u add a positive number like. 005, it will be. 005 shallower. to go deeper. type in -.005

[@trazy38]

i normally use edge finder and 123 block on top part. slide it under, G54 Z, hit partzero set. then i type in -3.00 i do it this way with tools tool. u could put -3.00 in tool wear length

[@Jfourtwo0]

Why am I getting "Y over travel range" when probing tools?

[@rafihussain]

Thanks. Really helpful

[@charmzee8749]

I'm currently working on the Haas Vf 2 SS (exactly like this), could you tell me how is this machine software called, I've worked on the previous Vf 2 SS and I would like to search things for this new model, thank you in advance guys, best machines I've worked on!

[@haasautomation]

Charmzee - We call the new software NGC, or Next Generation Control. Haas writes all of their own Control Software, so you’ll only find it on Haas Machines. If you press the Parameter/Diagnostics button, on your Haas Mill/Lathe, and look for the Configuration or System tab, you’ll find the actual Software Version number for your machine. Classic Haas Controls have software versions like M18.12B, or L11.17, while the NGC versions look like “100.17.000.1017”. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.

[@ericruedas6483]

I love the videos!! Question... on our vf3 when probing tools on center( spot drill, drill, ball em) spindle rotates cw instead of ccw. How is this changed? It seemed to have changed on its own.....

[@Moziiiii]

Hi, is it possible to describe tools?

[@habeebanwar1112]

Can you please tell me how to enter tool length2 from program I mean to say code for tool length2

[@verspaningatelier3088]

Hello , i would like to use the option to measure all the tools in once but when i try this the machine gives "fix errors listed in mdi to continue" also in the tabel it says tool not found while i have a full list of that are in the machine.. any ideas? we us a VF2SS.

[@haasautomation]

Silke - Send us an email at [e-mail] and we can help figure this one out.

[@jaysilverheals4445]

I am old timer who never had to use nor did I learn cnc lathe as i did moldmaking and toolmaking. Of course I used and use manual lathes but I note on the cnc lathes there is no information about setting tool heights--as in ZERO. Where can I learn about tool heights for haas cnc lathe?? I did note trying to search it out that on a cnc lathe you dont just put any tool in you want like a manual lathe and the tooling and holders have to made FOR THE EXACT LATHE..am I getting close?.. I did stumble across some blog strings that mention shims under the toolholder and that if they are missing the height can be way off (too high).. Tool height is very important on lathes--I do not understand the tooling or why tool height cannot be set--and not one youtube or other video mentions a word about it-- where can I start? I am semi retired and work as I can and first thing is they want cnc lathe experience am at a new job with haas lathe but just as an operator-they dont train and they also are not knowledgable about tool heights or complex setup of the machine. One tool was squeeling which they couldnt solve and I told them the tool is way too high. I drew a picture but had no idea how to check or fix it nor did they PLEASE HELP. Why is tool height never mentioned on a cnc lathe is it a secret? thanks

[@haasautomation]

JC Mills - Sounds like a great topic for a video! I just moved it up on the list. There is a great section (section 4.7, p112) on setting Work and Tool offsets manually, in the latest Haas Lathe Manual. You can download it from our site www.haascnc.com, all the manuals are under the Service tab at the top of the page, or just search for ‘lathe manual’ from the site search bar. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@KasimAljabri]

Thanks Mark

[@jhunnukumar2222]

So good

[@jonirving422]

how dose it not chew up the probe pad if the tool is rotating

[@FutureNihilist]

You may have already figured this out but the tool is rotating in reverse

[@jackflash6377]

Why can't I jog while in offset mode anymore?? Very time consuming to switch back and forth between handle jog and work offset page!!!

[@haasautomation]

Jack - That’s right. “Jogging only available in Jog Mode” now. There were some safety concerns that were floated, when this was changed. I’ll look back through the Software Logs on this again, and see if we can’t re-evaluate. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.

[@jackflash6377]

Thanks Mark. This video helped a bunch. I would have learned it eventually but now I feel like an expert when it comes to tool offsets on the new control.

[@mightydeathlash2867]

+Haas Automation, Inc. Mark, what does it take to be a Haas Aplications Engineer like you? Great vids!!

[@haasautomation]

Thanks Mighty DeathLash - Haas is always hiring, here at the factory, and all over the world at our HFO Haas Factory Outlets. Check out Haascnc.com, and then click on “Careers” at the bottom for a list of positions at the factory. To talk with your local HFO about a job, click on the “Find a Dealer” icon, on the website. As for requirements, to be an Applications Engineer, check out these job descriptions (note that new jobs are posted often, and may change) int.haascnc.com/career_hfo.asp?intLanguageCode=1033. - Mark, Haas tip-of-the-day.

[@mightydeathlash2867]

+Haas Automation, Inc. Mark, Thank you! I look up to you and hope to be an engineer at Haas just like you too one day. I appreciate the response :)

[@0Saints0Photography0]

HELP!!! How do you "Probe" a tool on a Right Angle Head? 🥵🥶🤧🤮🤕 All the other information in this video was AMAZING! but is really need to find out how to probe or even manually set my tool height and diameter using the right angle head. Please!!

[@rkrbrts7149]

you forgot to mention the A0. ALERT and how to bypass A0. when tool offsetting.

[@joelalonso1027]

una pregunta?? despues de medir una o varias herramienta me dara el diametro real de la herramienta si mi herramienta tiene mayor o menor diametro ese diametro que dio lo tengo que usar en mi programa CAM o la maquinas haas automaticamemte compensa la diferencia de diametros ???

[@haasautomation]

Joel Alonso - When probing an endmill, we can use “Length and Diameter Probing (Rotating)”. This cycle will set the Diameter Geometry, as well as the length of the tool. Exactly. If your program uses Cutter Compensation (G41) then your tool will be adjusted to compensate for its real diameter. If my 12mm endmill is actually 11.5mm, it will set the diameter as 11.5mm on the Diameter Geometry column. Note that if you programmed your tool as a 12mm endmill (CAM), and it is actually 11.5mm, then you would typically need to enter -.5 onto your Diameter Wear Column, to adjust for the .5mm that your tool is under sized. We have to choose to let our CAM system compensate for the endmill, or let the control do this, there is a setting in your CAM system to allow the machine to do it, then you could just let the probe set your tool to 11.5 and run, instead of needing to enter the “-.5mm” manually. We normally probe our tool (sets as 11.5mm), then subtract the programmed tool diameter from the Diameter Geometry, entering -12.0, which will leave the -.5 we need on-screen. This would be a good topic for another video. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.

[@phanhungnguyen3815]

You make a video set up for 5 axis milling machine Thank you!

[@haasautomation]

phan hung Nguyen - We have a skilled Applications Engineer working on a series, right now, that covers 5-Axis milling. Keep checking our KZbin channel for the release of these 5-axis videos.

[@matejastankovic4642]

2017 was 7 years ago

[@Codypod]

That was 150% Easier on the previous gen control....select gauge length, cutter dia. Press 3 to select mdi, press 3 ...pushed to mdi, cycle start......watch it average cutter dia. And gauge length

[@earth111]

Then you have built the aluminum mars mill, it will be done ✅ (9.866m/s)*(1/3)

[@raymondzhao9557]

cool

[@billruss6704]

If you don't have a automated tool probe here is a way to do it manually kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6rHeZmpp8tghKs

[@guildtitan]

Dumb question: Why you can leave approximate length blank for drills?

[@haasautomation]

Panzerclaws claws - For drills, the machine will move the tool all the way to the top of travel, and then come straight down over the probe at a reasonable speed. For drills, it doesn’t need the length, because the tool always starts at the top. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@ericking3516]

0:06 Forehead so bright I can see my future in it

[@onnlysecondsleft6196]

Why cant you name a tool? There is no name category? Wouldn't it be helpful to have a column for the name of a tool? You know like 5/16-18 tap so you don't have a paper chart?

[@haasautomation]

Onnly Secondsleft - Great suggestion, I’ve passed this along. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@hunterish101]

Makino has that option lmao

[@andrevozkez3728]

Спасибо (:

[@sirswayze5288]

Doing tool touch offs while away from the machine is a dangerous practice in my opinion.

[@johna2076]

www.haascnc.com/content/dam/haascnc/videos/bonus-content/ToolOffset.Probing.pdf link to diagram as of Aug 2019.

[@Brokoro]

Having worked in the aerospace prototype world for a decade and the luxury of working with Mori Seiki mills that entire time. It pains me so much to see offsets so regularly done this way. Every tool should be set via the distance to the table in negative values (z-). work offsets should be (z+) positive. No one should ever need to care what distance the tool is from some stupid arbitrary point from the spindle.

[@tjunior6252]

Mark, this does not work. MDI will tell you that you “Tool 2 is missing a Length and Diameter greater than zero”. I just tried. It should work the way you say it does. Video below explains.m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIrCdX6CmqyshNU

[@haasautomation]

Tim Homan - The issue you described in your video has been corrected (requiring more info than needed to probe certain tools). We can upgrade your software and get you taken care of for that. We are, however, making some cool changes to Probing from the Work Offset page, and those changes will be released soon. If it were me, I’d wait for those changes, and then upgrade my machine just the once. Either way I’ll be sure to contact you when that software update (Work Offset Probing page) is out. Thanks for the comment, it will be useful for folks that have come across the same thing. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.

[@derekfriedrichs]

Am I missing something here, why would you build a machine that can calculate the tool diameter, yet not apply it...makes no sense to me. SO, you have to take the calculated diameter, and enter it into your CAM software...stupid. Your lathes will take the tool offset you enter and use it, why wouldn't your mills do the same??

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[@msaeedsaeed8827]

Hello sir

[@Austinfamily1]

I had to laugh at your last name. Sorry.

[@haasautomation]

Erik - Hahh. I didn’t realize I mentioned my full name in this one. “Terryberry. Yes, spelled just like it sounds. Yes, that’s my real name. No, my wife’s name isn’t Mary”. Lol. Thanks for the comment. - Mark Terryberry, Haas Tip-of-the-day.

[@PratapSingh-nl2en]

Thanks mark