Tool - Rosetta Stoned / How To Practice the Polyrhythm

Here is a quick tutorial on how to practice this beast of a groove.
My apologies for falsely calling the 3/4, 6/4 and 5/4 grooves 3 over 4 grooves, etc. (Shout out to @Guyin Apocket)
sheet music: drive.google.c...
video of danny: • Danny Carey playing al...
also check out the full drum deconstruction by john kew: • Tool // Rosetta Stoned...
00:19 - Music Theory
01:15 - Hand Pattern
02:27 - Hand Pattern w. Snare Accent
02:37 - Foot Pattern
03:23 - Practice on 1 Pad
04:13 - Practice @ 70bpm
05:17 - Practice @ 90bpm
05:56 - Full Speed
Lukas Grumet

[@marcusberns3746]

Imagine being in a band with a guy capable of this sorcery. Justin, Adam and Maynard are honestly the luckiest musicians in the world

[@ezzjaygrows4886]

I have to agree, I believe they all are special musicians on their own. But I think Danny is on another plane.

[@williamrosskopf8657]

There’s no better band. Danny is the best.👍👍

[@bakunfase8672]

My favourite part is the unintentional sighs as he’s explaining how complex it is lol

[@alldud13]

this is my favorite tool polyrhythm of all time like i repeat this part a couple times when listening

[@TheBuglemouthBass]

Me too. Lately this has been the tastiest of all Tool morsels for me too. I can't get enough of this thing and it felt amazing when I was finally able to make sense of this and play on bass.

[@HerbalistGuybrush]

What about the one in eulogy tho

[@alldud13]

@@HerbalistGuybrush that one is goated with the sauce but this one just hits different for me

[@metallurgico]

I just learned this thanks only to your video. This really need more views!!!! Thanks for sharing

[@lill3lars]

Playing this on bass is the biggest mindfhuk ever. I can’t even comprehend that the drum part is playable by humans

[@ronaldp.vincent8226]

This is great! Although, I think Danny plays the swiss triplet in unison (without the flam). I think that's why most drummers don't even realize he's doing the rudiment. Similar to what he does in Pneuma or Triad.

[@lgrumet]

i think he indeed does play the flam - even though it's a bit hard to hear it

[@ronaldp.vincent8226]

@@lgrumet I slowed down a video of Danny playing it. gifyu.com/image/acFG

[@gordonamherst9565]

he may flam it in Rosetta stoned but in triad during a live version you can hear it not flam

[@ronaldp.vincent8226]

@@gordonamherst9565 I’ve never seen him flam in Rosetta. As far as I know, he always plays it in unison for all three songs.

[@TheGarageBandSyndicate]

Getting ready to get my first set. I know probably shouldn't be watching these videos yet, but one thing I can carry lol over from guitar is that something played slow when sped up becomes an entirely different animal.

[@lgrumet]

that is true, but make sure to also practice slow patterns. sometimes, playing something slow is more difficult (not in this case though)

[@SEEDHO]

great stuff, this video should have much more views

[@AnthonyFrantz]

Great job and thanks for the video. I'm going to revisit this since I never learned to play this part of the song. Wouldn't mind seeing a video of the verse of Descending. Not sure what Danny is doing there.

[@christiancarrillo4749]

what did you use to slow down the tracks with? very impressive breakdown and lesson, thanks

[@ezzjaygrows4886]

Awesome breakdown brotha.

[@iiGerardoii]

very nicely explained and played, thanks for sharing! what model is that v-drum?, looks great

[@lgrumet]

thanks, you are welcome! it's basically the TD30 version of this one www.thomann.de/at/roland_td_50k_v_drum_set_bundle.htm plus 1 extra cymbal and 1 extra pad

[@award8296]

Idk how Danny does it, or you for that matter

[@Cymanytb]

Great video but the music in the background is really loud and in my opinion it shouldn't be there.

[@draimantsosie4585]

Nice opinion, no one asked though

[@Cymanytb]

@@draimantsosie4585 thanks

[@tillsommerdrums]

I see from the video description that you already realized that it is not in 6/4 but 3/4. What you didn't realize is that you start the bass drum pattern wrong and play it in the wrong place. Your notation says to start with a singe bass drum followed by two 16th note rests. But Danny plays two 8th notes in the beginning and form there the pattern moves on. Actually the bass drum sits right on top of what Justin plan on the bass. So in 16th notes it is a 5 note pattern wich goes 1o1oo (1 being a kick and o being a pause) and then just repeats through the five bars of 3/4 time. You basically switched the pattern around so it is 1oo1o and that's why it is running completely against Justins bass part. That doesn't happen in the original. Apart from that everything is right and explained understandably. But this one major part is important to get right. Cheers

[@lgrumet]

you're right I guess. I've wanted to edit the video / replace it, but youtube doesn't let me!

[@AntonioRodriguez-vb2jz]

You'r awesome

[@NVinceble_]

Bro this is awesome what exactly did you practice piece by piece to get this groove down being able to play this groove Gad been a dream of mine I used to think it was a paradiddle on the toms or mandala pad with bass drum

[@justsomeguy2663]

Use a metronome and practice the first measure at about 50-70% of the target tempo. When it feels comfortable, increase the bpm by 2-4 and continue to practice (you slowly increase the speed but you trick your brain into thinking its the same speed because its such a small increase). Continue to increase the tempo little by little until you can play it at target tempo or greater. Then repeat the process for bars 2,3,4 & 5. Tie them all together as you progress and then finally add the quarter note hi-hat/claps after you can cycle all 5 measures repeatedly. Hope that makes sense, kind of confusing to type drum talk.

[@NVinceble_]

@@justsomeguy2663 thank you man really appreciate it. You’re killing it bro keep doing big things

[@lgrumet]

@@NVinceble_ basically what @micah niederkrome said. start off as slow as possible, learn note by note if you feel it's necessary. this is a tough one. take your time.

[@dennycrane2938]

Lol not to make it harder but, he doesn't go up and down with right hand 4 3 2 3, he goes 4 2 3 2. Also I think its 5/16 (bass) over 3/4 (hands)

[@ryanvoight1454]

Great video and a beat that I have been struggling with myself. I have to ask however, When listening to the song It sounds like the bass drum follows Justin's bass but in your sheet music is looks like the first bass drum interval is one 16th too long which brings the pattern out of sync. Otherwise great video and great drumming.

[@lgrumet]

intersting. I'll do some research and get back to you ;) not quite sure what you mean though. are you talking about the very second bass drum beat in the sheet music? right after the very first bd note?

[@lgrumet]

Something else, mentioned in passing: Justin doesn't always follow the bass drum exactly. He uses the pattern rather to build a melody on it. He plays some funny clicks with his bass every now and then, for example every time the snare is played.

[@lgrumet]

i just played back the pattern from the sheet music using a drum plugin....seems to work for me, I didn't have the impression it was out sync. can you elaborate further?

[@trentkraemer7109]

@@lgrumet you started the kick pattern with a dotted kick, then the continual 16th and 16th dotted, if you start with the 16th then play the 16th dotted you will be in sync with the bass line. So at 2:57 on your sheet music the first measure should actually be what you have for the 4th measure. So the reason why it works is because you’re playing it correctly, just the kick pattern is out of phase.

[@jackfrost-qu7lv]

Hello, can you tell me the drum tones you used for the Vdrums?

[@leboyaunt]

WHAT

[@keifercollins2989]

Not a bad video but the music really drowned out your audio and was hard to pay attention

[@pricc-om]

Bro why are you playing random parts of the song through like the whole video? Other than that great tutorial

[@Amirrudin_ISM]

I love you

[@masterpage69420]

Can you repost this without the track in the background please? It's impossible to hear what's going on

[@DavidRattlz97]

in the beginning you do the kick pattern right but towards to the end of the video your playing it wrong

[@NorbertHajduNorb]

very informtive, but the background music doesnt help for concentration, its actually quite challenging to figure it out and listen while the music plays in the back :) but great lesson otherwise ;) thank you

[@wojciechpanow9723]

Bro

[@HerbalistGuybrush]

You do not call time signatures x over y. Thatonly regards to polyrhythms. This is very confusing. Otherwise good video bro

[@lgrumet]

thx pal, my apologies. I realized my mistake after I had uploaded the video -.-

[@HerbalistGuybrush]

@@lgrumet u good, thanks for the shoutout. my biggest moment of fame actually!

[@baconator1550]

This guy appears to be bothered by having talking about this.

[@sonicbroom8522]

Any drummer would lol. Danny Carey's stuff is notoriously difficult for most

[@roblosh8417]

Hahaha, yeah and I'm bothering myself having to learn it. Oh what we musicians put ourselves through to cast these spells.

[@baconator1550]

My dad could drum this in his sleep

[@metallurgico]

@@baconator1550 let see him in a video

[@ianmercer1291]

Hate to be that guy, but danny plays the same pattern the bass is playing. So this technically isnt how you play this drum part.

[@oforsberg]

This! I was watching the video and wondering why nobody else seemed to say anything about it. The tom part seemed to be fully correct, but although it is explained correctly that the kick drum part is a grouping of 5/8 (as is the bass part), it didn't seem like it lined at all with the bass part in this video. As the background audio is loud enough here, you can easily hear the bass riff and consequently see that the kick drum figure is completely out of sync with the bass guitar.

[@SpecialistGuava]

The bass is only playing the bass drum part. Unless I’m just an idiot and missing what you’re saying.

[@Bubu00069]

@@SpecialistGuava that's correct. they're saying the kick pattern in this video doesn't match the original. his kicks are not in sync with the bass but I couldn't tell what he is actually playing.

[@lukeray1743]

He is currently only playing a part of the song. Yes there is mostly parts where he plays to the bass guitar however the part that he is currently playing is actually correct.