9MM vs .380 ACP!...Hornady Critical Defense AMMO Test.

[@ftdefiance1]

The reason I own a vest pocket .380 is for those times I cant carry a larger gun. I wouldn't be interested in a larger .380

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@PassDaHorchata]

"It's over before it started jelly time" 🤣 I always love the "...... Jelly time" line from these videos

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@freedomfirst5420]

Yes sir!

[@electrochubb]

@@freedomfirst5420 I'm startin to use that phrase at breakfast.

[@pjoffrion]

What's crazy is Lucky Gunner had perfect expansion and penetration in their lab tests with these. They used a Glock 42 with a 3.25" barrel which gave higher velocities which is key. And yes, I listened to why a shorter barrel was used in this test.

[@washguy5982]

I believe Paul Harrell also had excellent results with these in the “meat target”. He used an LCP, if I recall properly.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@dennispiert5742]

Did they also use a clothing barrier?

[@pjoffrion]

@@dennispiert5742 Yes. 4 layers of fabric in front of clear gel . They shot from 10'.

[@jamesberry1349]

My 380 has a 4 inch barrel I like full size in a hand gun

[@MrBuffaluffagus]

Another great video! The attention to detail, data sharing and results summarization is second to none. You make it possible for consumers make the best possible educated decision. Keep up the great work man!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊

[@tdeberry71]

It's not realistic to use longer barreled handguns to do your testing because the majority of people are carrying as short of barrel as they can get. These types of tests are more true to the common canceled carrier.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed

[@joer8386]

Also, the ballistic gel he is using is the wrong one, which is the reason the FBI does not use them to test rounds. They use the 'organic' gel that mimics the human body. In the tests I see using Hornady CD being shot at organic gel, it opens up nicely with perfect penetration.

[@acid6urns]

@@joer8386he’s using gel that literally mimics the fbi gel. it just isn’t made w gelatin so you can actually see what the hell is happening.

[@bower31]

lol I carry a full size M&P like 70% of the time, the smallest gun anyone I know carries is a G19, guys I know carry M18s, full size CZ75s, G17s. So full size handgun tests are extremely relevant still.

[@acid6urns]

@@bower31i agree full size tests are relevant, but usually if something performs good in a short barrel it’s a no brainer it will do well in a longer barrel, a bullet isn’t gonna expand LESS from having more velocity

[@Mbartel500]

I like the chrono setup with the labradar giving muzzle and intermediate distance velocities, and the optical unit giving gel impact velocities. Having the additional useful data is a good thing. Of all the guntubers I've seen testing ammo, you now have the most comprehensive and useful data. Thank you for all the time and work you put into these videos.👍👍👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'm a data junkie! There are quite a few more screens full of info this thing gives too.😎👊

[@misterx8592]

Brian is my idol!👊🏻💥👊🏻

[@countryguywithcamera]

Indeed homie, he's quickly becoming the most thorough ammo tester in terms of the data he provides.

[@almagore1]

Again, telling us what doesn't work, unless at the same time you demonstrate what does work, is only flapping your jaws.

[@countryguywithcamera]

@@almagore1 other videos show plenty more options that do, as well as the testing shows that some rounds have potential as other uses

[@anaveragehuman2937]

After having watched a ton of 380 jelly tests I have no problem carrying flat nose fmj in my lcp max. Thanks for doing the tests and sharing.

[@wallyweaver2724]

I for one say thank you for using the MC9 and the LCP as both are very relevant to my tools. The way I figure it is if it will perform in a MC9 it sure as heck will get the job done in a longer barrel. Keep up the good work and forget the trolls.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@stevenkennedy4130]

I myself carry FMJ in my 380 ACP. Thanks for the share!!

[@FraserDM]

Damn that was brutal, but thank you for putting this one out there mate. We have a whole database on our end where we have shot the majority of our competitors products. So when I see folks championing stuff I know isn’t great… the value your videos bring in highlighting some realities / biases shouldn’t be underestimated

[@misterx8592]

Brian just tells it like it is….that’s why we follow him! 👊🏻💥👊🏻

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. I see way too many recommendations based on some urban legend.😆

[@misterx8592]

We love it! Woooohooo

[@nelsonr1467]

What you call great is subjective. Based on your products, you guys favor expansion vs penetration.

[@FraserDM]

@@nelsonr1467Hello there. I disagree with your comment. While our TCX ammo does expand massively. If you compare our TCX to the competitions expanding ammunition, we are about the same in penetration, and in some cases more, and in fewer cases, less, but our TCX also expands more in just about every case. I hope you are having a good weekend. Stay safe!

[@scottblackwell1215]

Tools, you have the best testing setup on KZbin. You are only getting better. Thanks for using the small barrels. You proved that the .380 FTX is useless out of the short barrel. The 9mm that you tested out of the small barrel is marginally successful. There are better choices out there for either platform.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@randlerichardson5826]

Tools don’t worry about what other people says. Keep doing what your doing buddy.

[@robertsewell536]

Awesome content again. Your personality and the knowledge and the common sense all add up to 100% enjoyable videos. Really really great stuff.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊

[@nickshowsstuff435]

I like these .380 vs equivalent 9mm test. It really goes to show the difference in the two for common carry sizes. The difference is massive and I’m sure it is in every brand just about except maybe some super charged xtp or something. I’m a fan of the little calibers as you know but for people still learning this is a great example to show them so they know what they’re getting into.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, my friend!

[@steelpunisher6944]

I used to have these if I carried a .380. But after my own tests took them out of the mags. The fickle lil .380 is a tough one to find a balance. Extreme defenders it is or plain old fmj. Good stuff as always 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@patrickrodriguez320]

I always carry fmjs in my 380. I'd rather error on the side of reliability. I think it's still sufficient enough. I wouldn't go any smaller though

[@BWSlate]

I like the lab radar, as far as the variations of yardeges it captures, etc. It's pretty neat. I just started the vid and will finish as always. Thumbs up n committed to your channel. Hope you grow to 100k by the end of the year 🙏

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@deannbabs902]

Yet another great vid Tools! I climbed aboard the Critical Defense train a few years back. As soon as I discovered Federal HST, I never looked back.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@electrochubb]

This is one of your finest tests Mr. T&T. I'm kinda surprised that l'il 380 went that deep. Thanks for providing such detailed tests...in your 'special manner' this is a special part of my day. ...yes, I suspect many others. Thanks sir.!

[@Nickrioblanco1]

A lot of people with weaker grip and lower recoil tolerance (such as women and older men) are using the Shield EZ. Not that I think it would make a difference with the 380 performance. They are not very good but they are better than nothing (or something you can not operate). As far as your chronograph setup, it is perfect. Easy to see with valuable and interesting information. Thank for your excellent work.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.

[@hoffpbass]

I like the lab radar. And I like how you adjusted the line contrasting in the video -- looks much improved today. Also cool to see the velocity drop at yardage. I could alao see the extra camera + tripod on the chrono-jelly readout. So, I appreciate the hard work and investment. You really deserve a million+ subscribers. Great test today. Like you said, the results were expected. I'd probably look for the 124 grain 9mm instead, in order to get a little more penetration. But I am not rushing to purchase. Lots of options that deliver this performance.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@chretired]

The 380 was just pathetic, but then we didn't expect anything else. Like you said we accomplish the same thing with an FMJ at a lot less cost per round. The 9mm performed better but didn't get the penetration I'd like to see. I use to really like these rounds but my faith in them has been fading of recent. Your testing shows how the rounds perform in more real life rather than in a controlled environment with non-standard firearms. You be the man Tools, t thanks for all you do. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@whatsup24_7]

This will be a interesting one. I'm curious to see 9 vs 380 with extreme defenders

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@nikos6220]

Actually the biggest benefit of the Xtreme Defenders is that the test you want to see will be super boring ballistically. Of course any T&T test is exciting in general😁. In the fluted Lehigh design - More powder creates more speed, more speed creates more cavitation induced damage and penetration. That is why Tools‘ test are so important on traditional JHPs as there is the nasty expansion speed threshold and penetration depth in case of expansion depends on the rate and maximum extent of expansion. Prime example were the max expansion Underwood copper ashtrays he just tested - 5 inches of glory 😂

[@whatsup24_7]

@@nikos6220 your comment took away any credibility you may have ever had.

[@nikos6220]

@@whatsup24_7 😂 that’s a shocker. Can you please elaborate. Seriously I am interested why you think that

[@deucedeuce1572]

For real. I think the xtreme defenders are the best .380 round ever invented. If they weren't so expensive I'd buy them myself. They really bring the .380 up to the capability of 9mm, especially through soft and hard barriers. I would rather have a .380 with extreme defenders than a 9mm with some of the lesser performing rounds. Like he was saying, when you have the same ammo, it's not even a question which is better (in most cases). I say "in most cases", because sometimes a .380 can perform better than a 9mm, because the 9mm might expand and under-penetrate while the .380 may fail to fully expand and penetrate deeper, because of that. People want to act like expansion makes a more severe wound... but that's not true at all. The increase in wound size is almost immeasurable. The expansion just stops them from over-penetrating. (It really takes a much more powerful round than 9mm for the transfer of energy from the bullet to the surrounding tissue to do any real damage. ...and I think the only exception to that is when you hit certain organs like the spleen, brain, kidneys and liver).

[@allenbolen9705]

I don’t buy critical defense. If you’re paying that much you want way better performance! You are absolutely right! I think everyone who carries 380 has the small ones.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@jonh380]

No sir Glock 42 is 3.3 or 3.2 Barrel length

[@robinj.9329]

In Europe both Police and Military have used the .380 for many decades. But their guns are a bit bigger, with about a 4 inch or longer barrel. So, for my. 380, I've bought the longest barrel I could find.

[@countryguywithcamera]

There's no reason that 380 shouldn't be pushing a full 900fps consistently even out of an lcp sized gun. Ammo companies have been slacking hard over the years

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@originalterrorsquad]

Most definitely agree with you on .380s being super small frame guns. I mean if i want a bigger firearm ill carry one in a more powerful cartridge. Good test as always

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@richb.4374]

I love the "jelly tests". Not only are they fun, but the results are useful for choosing the best carry ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Back in December 2019, I bought a box of the 9mm version and just ran one mag through my compact to make sure they ran with no issues, I still have the rest of the box, however, I had a bullet set-back on one round, and tossed it safely, the claimed velocity was 1,140 fps, not sure why they reduced it, they were accurate and performed as designed, and on another channel, they were compared with Critical Duty, against a car door with a block of ballistic gel behind the door, they both passed through the car door, and the Critical Defence penetrated half way through the gel, while the Critical Duty went about 3/4 of the way through the gel, If you want to check it out, the name of the channel is, 1Shot, THX My Friend. 👍 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@scott2228]

Thank you for using the LCP Max. The Max and 2 are extremely popular pocket carry guns.

[@yuvgotubekidding]

Cool seeing speeds on the jelly test. 👍 I’ve already replaced my 380 Hornady with Underwood Extreme Defense. That leaves me with some very expensive Critical Defense target ammo.😆👊🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

You can always get you a Hi Point carbine in .380 to run em out of.🤭

[@yuvgotubekidding]

@@ToolsandTargets 😆

[@misterx8592]

😅😅🤣😂😂🤣😅

[@agent-ht5ri]

3:53 Impressive

[@RamPatriot]

Good visual on the data screen. Excellent accuracy as usual, impressive.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@RustyShackle1776]

Another great test man. Just another obvious reason to choose 9mm if at all possible. It’s still disappointing to see the lack of performance from the critical defense though.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@dicarlo57]

Thats right. And im stuck with two boxes. In the end maybe a .38 special +P ? "they " claim 900 FPS.

[@not-AI]

@@dicarlo57 2 boxes of which?

[@AMF96]

Yeah I’ve seen some disappointing Critical Defense test results before. That’s why I switched from Critical Defense to Federal HST in my 9mm. Speer Gold Dot is another good choice. Equal to or slightly better than Federal HST.

[@drifther17]

​@@AMF96i

[@gemonic9103]

If I had to guess, that 380 was probably going too slow to cause expansion. If the bullet design between the 9mm and 380 was the same, velocity is the only explanation I can think of

[@virtuaguyverify]

No need to guess because that's the exact problem

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@alfontana6242]

thanks for your video. Chrono graph speeds at jelly impact is a great. Also your new Chrono is remarkable how you know the FPS at various distances. Looking forward to more of your reviews.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

Tools I really like the lab radar the intermediate velocities are easy to read. And give interesting data points. Your the best at good solid unbiased Ammo information. I really like the way you are doing the tests now. Also makes me think that I need to turn to my 43 as primary carry during hot miserable weather when its hard to cover things up vs my 42. For the minimal difference in size the power factor cant be ignored. Keep up the great work!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@billdye3530]

I can't believe you hit the steel at 75yds!! Wind was blowing quite a bit in that direction. I still think the red pencil erasers are too soft to consistently expand the nose - olgive - correctly unless petals are thinner. Underwood Defender or Defiant in 380. I do carry the Steinels also & they keep going bang . Good velocity & expansion in 9mm round. Thanks. 👍 🙏 🇺🇸

[@FraserDM]

Well hello there!

[@billdye3530]

​@@FraserDMLong story on his Steinel 380 that somebody - me lol - sent him. I still believe in them.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I need to start trying to hit that steel every time and see if I can get all 5 of em.😆

[@johngrunwell]

I agree with you to a point about the Critical DEFENSE in .380ACP, but only in a short barrel below 3”! I would have rather seen equal barrel lengths, but above 3”. I do carry a G42 and from most testing that I’ve seen they did function. My EDC varies from .22LR, 380ACP, 9mm and 40S&W. All my barrel lengths are greater than 3.25” or I will not carry. You have justly proven round selection is imperative and Critical Defense is not one for < 3” barrel and neigh is the Critical Duty for barrels < 4”. There are a lot new platforms coming out in the 380ACP greater than 3” and up to 3.5” or more. Your testing is by far the best I’ve seen to date and this test, in my mind, was not comparing anywhere near equal apples! A pun.

[@Dwayne7834]

Thanks for the gell test. The 380 didn’t surprise me. . The 9mm is going to always out perform the 380 in my opinion.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, Not much surprise.😎👊

[@terrell48]

Love your videos Tools keep them coming!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@SyrianKnight01]

Thanks for the info you saved me 35 bucks I was gonna drop on critical defense 380 that don't expand really appreciate the work your doing.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@darkstarninja5978]

I actually carry these rounds in 380, looks like im gonna have to find another carry option lol. thanks for the testing here tools, much appreciate it as it helps me look for a better carry round.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I mean they do what I would want from a .380, just not what they claim.🤷‍♂️

[@mook528]

Just carry regular ball ammo, save your money. The bad guy is still going to say ouch.

[@jeffholm3503]

Thanks. Swapping ammo in my P238 to the VCrown

[@raybo34]

You're right about the 380 barrel length. Most carry are 2.75". That's one expensive FMJ. I wonder how my Gold Dot 380s would do. Probably the same. Bought them a while back so it didn't hurt to bad. That 9mm looked good but kinda weak. Getting tired of all these weak rounds out there. Even some "+P" are coming in weak. With your help we find the good ones. Chrono and LabRadar are running great. Like the stats they're putting out.

[@TonicTonio]

Just saw a podcast where Hornady purposely designed the Critical Defense to only penetrate to about 12”. The Critical Duty is designed to pass through barriers and penetrate to 16”

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊

[@JesseLJohnson]

In tests I have seen the Gold Dot usually expands how you expect a Gold Dot to expand but they only get around 8 or 9 inches of penetration. It seems anything loaded with XTP bullets usually performs about the best in these little pocket .380s. They don't get that much expansion so they usually hit around that 12 inch mark if they expand. There is a new micro HST round that performs pretty good too but most the more premium stuff just doesn't get much penetration with the pocket .380s

[@OceanKing6725]

You are 100% correct that most all people are carrying the little short barreled .380's so that most realistic test of real world performance. I'd also say around 3" is starting to be the norm in 9mm with the popularity of sub compact/micro 9's these days too. I think you nailed it for test guns for both calibers.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@galenperry4606]

Boy that was an eye opener. Think I’ll switch my .380 load now.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆😆😆 They'll still do the trick if that's what ya already have.😎👍

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Glad you got the Lab Radar figured out. It’s pretty cool showing speed at different ranges. Agree with you on 380 barrel length, probably a lot more micro’s being carried than Shield EZ’s. The 9mm was decent performance, the 380 not so much. Thanks for the test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@SNIPER_NO_SNIPING]

I love my canik mc9 thing is a tac driver.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes! I shoot mine better than any other small 9mm I have.

[@SNIPER_NO_SNIPING]

@@ToolsandTargets same buddy!! It has put my 43x on the back burner and I have been carrying it for about a month now. Threw on a holosun 407k and it’s been amazing.

[@thatsmytwocents4372]

Don’t know how many times i have watched this same video. Thanks for your videos Tools !!!!!

[@timmothyheroux]

Yes I have the Ruger LCP max. That's for using it for your tests

[@str8shooter159]

I think the LCP is a great gun to test 380 ammo with. Most people that carry a 380 is going to carry a short barrel gun. Great vid. My favorite channel for info about ammo, helped my a ton.

[@louieHuelsman]

T.n.T is Dynamite!!! Jelly Time is just Right!!! Good information n TY!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@SneezyRatSpat]

I like the new test set up. Keep ‘em coming T&T!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@KD-lb9bg]

Really enjoyed this round of Jelly Time testing and your commentary is 💯% correct. Also great to see the FPE back up there so I don’t have to whip out the calculator, Lol. Thanks for everything you do. Additionally, I’d load up the Critical Duty 124gr +P if I had to pick a Hornady 9mm load for a short barreled micro 9mm. Not much more expansion than this 9mm Critical Defense load but moooaar penetration. 😉

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@williamgaines9784]

The better spent $ for the 380 pocket gun would probably be on an extra magazine with fmj...just punch more holes.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed

[@stephenrobbins6353]

You're griping about the critical defense, and a year ago you were in critical defense against Federal punch and you loved it love them both, you said the critical defense was great

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@gort4016]

I really like the doppler showing the velocity for the jelly tests - very cool. Have you ever run any of the Critical Defense 5.56 rounds in jelly? I can't recall.

[@ToolsandTargets]

No. I was hoping my local shop would get some. Might need to order some to test.

[@robertebenreck1652]

I love that you test with the LCP Max which I use for my summer carry. The MAX replaced my Colt Mustang Pocketlite.

[@ToolsandTargets]

May as well use what's in use.😎👍

[@Colbbee]

Your channel has become my absolute go-to for ammo performance information, love the content, keep up the awesome work!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@SomebodysNephew]

I wish they made them hydrashok deeps in +P so bad for the 380. Would really change the game for that gun I think. Maybe one day. Good test them 9mms sure do punch hard and kinda glad the 380 didn't disappoint as bad as it does with most rounds, lol. I did not know you had. Was watching some of your older videos and really enjoyed the SCAR 17 one and SAIGA-12 videos! some awesome rifles I mean they both look like rifles atleast.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I would love to see some +P Hydra Shok Deep.

[@miker9043]

Thanks Tools for another great one ! I'm not a fan of Hornady critical defense , 9 mil did pretty good ! I tried it in 380 and 38 special with no expansion either . luckily you have tested lots of other better options and I appreciate it brother !

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@southerndeplorable5864]

Great info! Could you do a video comparing the 223 critical defense vs the 223 Winchester silver tip ? Or maybe the 223 Winchester deer season xp vs the 223 silver tip? I’ve been curious about the deer season xp vs the silver tip, those two rounds look identical.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Should be able to come up with something.

[@Constitutionalist76]

Thanks for this video. I have both these rounds in my G48 and BG380. Good to see how they compare.

[@johnshields9110]

Buddy, I love and respect your tests! Your jelll/chrono test top notch! All I had back in the day was pond ice, mud and an abandon '74 LTD car door.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@kirkmooneyham]

Amazing how different the performance difference is between those two rounds. I got rid of my only .380 handgun, and I'm not upset about it in the least. BTW, have you ever tested the old school .38 Special +P lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint? I know others have tested them in the past, but after seeing so many of your videos now, I've come to trust your work. Back in the day, TNOutdoors9 was my go-to for tests, but you've really taken the subject to the next level. Keep up the great work!

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍thanks tools, after watching all your 380 ammo fails I would definitely go with a fmj or maybe try the extreme defenders if I were gonna carry a 380.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@louieHuelsman]

Lol you Love that Canik huh! I got the elite but do want that MC9 as well!!

[@garyglenn5233]

I wish that my local shop had some Critical Defense in 45 acp back in December. I decided to get a box of different carry ammo as a Christmas present for myself but the only thing that they had that I don't was some Critical Duty +P 220 gr. I grabbed a box anyways and stuffed my 6 round spare mag with them just in the very unlikely chance that I had to put a round through a windshield or side window. I carry 9 rounds of 200 gr Sig V Crowns in my EDC pistol with a spare 8 round Chip McCormick mag and a 6 round Mecgar mag in my mag pouch. I'm going to get my shop to order a couple boxes of HSTs just as soon as I can get the cash. They've got a bunch of standard pressure and +Ps on Ammoseek for about $35 dollars for a 50 round box. I've never seen HSTs fail in any caliber so I have confidence that they'd work just fine in my 4" barrel.

[@FraserDM]

Hello, I agree HST is a fine product and in my opinion the benchmark in most calibers. It is what I carried before Defiant Munitions and what I would choose if our TCX round was not available. That being said, HST makes 10inches in .380 (Brian has a video on it). Personally if I carried a .380 pocket gun, I would want something that gets to 12 and expands along the way 😊.

[@tylerd8516]

Completely agree on the 380. I’d rather see real world testing rather then doing everything possible to make it fair.🇺🇸🇺🇸👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@scarifrougeone7225]

“Right on” The MC9 has made it for back to back videos. The MC9 is a “CrowdPleaser “. Another good test in the Books the the CD 9mm. Agreed, keep up the good testing and information. Be safe. ⭐️⭐️⭐️😎

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Appreciate the demo & data. The 9 looks great. A fella can't complain if these run reliably. I like a heavier bullet with a bit more velocity. But if this is available in 9 then it is a good option.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Agreed.😎👊

[@muhlenberg2608]

It seems that the determining factor is the length of the barrels. For the .380 gun, it makes sense to use full metal target ammunition

[@CombatVetTom]

Love your videos! Really enjoy watching. Anxious to see you one day do a Critical defense 9mm vs Extreme Defender 380 video

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@absolute99proof]

I was really excited to see this review and test. Great choices in the tools- like you said- most everyone that carries these calibers for self defense are going to carry a compact tool. In my experience, Hornady has been consistent and accurate- but I'm disappointed in the expansion- after seeing this video I agree- fmj for the 380 if you choose to use that caliber.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. A good ol solid chunk will do it.😎

[@Drknow-mx1fj]

Goes to show when we have people like me tools testing things you know what works and what doesn’t sucks cause I love my .380 and critical defense needs to get back to the drawing board thanks for sharing me tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@TheAxe4Ever]

A little off subject, but you’re absolutely right about that Canik MC9. Got one for my wife to carry. Took it to the range and it was VERY accurate for her. Of course, she’s a pretty good shot herself! I’d keep it for myself to carry if I didn’t love my Walther PDP full size 5 inch so much. I’ve said it before but I also love my Canik Elite Combat. 😎👍🏻

[@ToolsandTargets]

This thing has really surprised me with how good I can hit point of aim with it.

[@TheRealSwampOperator]

Hey tools, I'm really liking the date from the shot when you show the gel impact.... I like to know the velocity and energy of the actual shot

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. I really like having that info too. Will help clear up any weird stuff that might happen in the gel. I actually saw some interesting stuff with it on a test i did today.😎👊

[@brockhowell2296]

Spot on about using the LCP for the test/chrono. I don't have a .380 and some of them (like the Ruger Security 380 and the SW EZ) are pretty cool, BUT I'd carry .9 if I'm going w/a high capacity pistol. I normally pocket carry and I'll take a 5 or 6 round .357 snubby loaded with .38+ any day. I fully admit I like revolvers, but still, that'd be my choice. That being said, I do find .380 jelly tests interesting b/c you never really know how they'll do until you actually see it happen and the results vary a lot more than 9mm rounds.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊

[@leslieshepperd9850]

Hornady has raised their prices lately, with too many varieties costing $30 + per box.... they used to be affordable, less than $1 per round.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆

[@tyleranderson4317]

I started carrying fmj in my lcp max instead of hollow points based on test I've seen including yours lol. I need to get some of that Underwood Ammo heard nothing but good things about it

[@ToolsandTargets]

If I carried the LCP, it would be loaded with fmj.😎👍

[@bruceshelton5043]

Keep the lab radar, I love it, and that is Tennessee Vols Orange is a plus……cuz I’m a big vols fan

[@bryanpropp2179]

Great video as always! You have already showed us that Winchester white box and comparable Remington in JHP is really all you need in 9mm for personal defense. Looks like some of these gimmicks ammo manufacturers come up with are just that, gimmicks. Keep up the good work!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@arby2348]

I like your speed measurement machine. It never seems to fail.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@PassivePortfolios]

The Hornady XTP 380 will expand from LCP and Glock 42 barrels (3.25"). It's cheaper than Critical Defense as well. Penetration is 12".

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've tested multiple xtp .380 rounds. They're not good.

[@PassivePortfolios]

@@ToolsandTargets - the XTPs were tested on another channel using the same media you did. This ammo expanded well using Glock 42 and LCP. Maybe their jello was harder than yours.

[@homersaypian3798]

Chronograph setup seems great. Barrel lengths are realistic. 380 rounds preformed as expected, but I’m a little surprised by the 9mm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@kimness7796]

Great choice of CC guns. If you go bigger on the .380, you're 9mm size. So would a Bersa .380 have knocked the gel block off the table???

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣 Now that would have been a great video!

[@caleb6988]

Those 380 freedom seeds are simply target rounds. The 9mm freedom seeds are good carry rounds. Great testing brother tools.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@franklinmarks7845]

Would love to see the difference in 357 magnum Is out of a little J frame, and then 38 special and plus P. Out of that same little J. Frame, the argument is there's too much recoil to carry 357 magnum in a j frame. The 38 special is pretty much the same thing out of the J frame. I was just curious What kind of sacrifice you're making going to the 38 special plus P instead of the 357 mag in the J frame. 😅

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@terryhawley202]

I think you have best of both worlds with the Lab Radar and the standard optical chronograph. Great idea. Regarding the Hornady Critical Defense in 380 ACP. I got to say I was surprised by the lack of performance. I mean I knew that some thought you should just use a FMJ due to lack of performance, but i really thought it was one of the better hollow points for the 380 ACP. Man I was surprised by that. I'm going to search youtube for better alternatives. Thanks for the great videos.

[@conro7003]

I love comparisons like this. The jelly time was just hilarious too😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

😜

[@louieHuelsman]

I’d keep the Orange CONTRAPTION in ur videos Seems to work better than the other chronograph n more dependable Y’all!!!!

[@randyduncan795]

You chose the perfect mousegun. What reason is there to carry a 380 with any dimension that meets or exceeds that of the MC9, P365, or Hellcat? The optical in front of the block negates any questions of velocity variances so it's a great addition. Nice job ringing a 75 yarder with the MC9.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@danemaui8259]

I love your videos. I own a ruger l c p max. I have chronographed through it.Critical defense at nine hundred and Thirty feet per second.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@EducatedBlackMan]

Nice video. I no longer carry CD in my LCP Max. I use Defiant Munitions TCX. I do carry CD in my Bersa Thunder because with the longer barrel, it should expand.

[@timshelley8635]

Great test! Looks like my 9mm ammo is pretty good, but I need to change my 380 stuff.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@GreyShooter]

Got to be more trouble but I really like the 2 Chrono setup your using. I think with 380 no matter the length, I'll stick with Winchester white box fmj.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It is a little more time rearranging during the tests, but not too terrible. I do like all the data I can sit down and look at later.

[@Trace_77]

Great Video just came here to cross reference some numbers. I shoot Fiochi shooters dynamic 115 gr fmj for practice and Hornady critical defense 115 gr when its in the home for defense. The numbers checked out good with 1095 muzzle velocity avg. from Fiochi and 1109 from Hornady. Will say the accuracy numbers for spread and deviation look better on the Hornady. I discovered this with my CZ sp-01 from range time experimenting and thought they felt very similar but now the numbers back it up.

[@tendraftsdeep]

I run these in .38 special, great video Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@popinfresh3088]

My wife asked if I wanted to go to Dairy queen and I answered "it's delicious Blizzard on a warm evening jelly time." She looked at me and said "what"? I said never mind, let's go.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣

[@LuckyDog350X]

Ya know the more I hear you praising the MC9 the more I want to get one, seems like a tack driver. I don't know anyone who has one close to me that I shoot with so I can try it out for a day myself. I did get one in my hands a few months back and it feels ok just my pinky is looking for a grip. I know of some viewers on other channels that commented about having one and kinda mixed reviews, it's either they love it or hate it. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I run it with this 15 rounder so I get a nice grip. That's probably part of why I like how it shoots so much.