9MM vs .40S&W!....Hornady Critical Defense AMMO Test!

[@netravler1]

40 will ALWAYS be superior to 9mm. 9 has its place, but if I had to get into a fight, 40 is it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@joerussell9574]

Not me and if i felt like I needed more than my HP +P 9mm then I would just get a 10mm. There is a reason why no gun companies are making hardly any new model .40s a reason why the feds and local agencies have dropped it. It failed because it is just a crappy version of the 10mm..just my humble opinion.

[@netravler1]

@joerussell9574 The street numbers say differently. I only carry the puny 9mm if I need a super small gun for concealed, otherwise it's 40 S&W. More ft lbs, larger diameter, just more. Just MY opinion.

[@joerussell9574]

@@netravler1 Modern ballistic info from the FBI disagree but I am not an expert and just going on what they report. You can quote anecdotal street reports but like I said if the .40 is so great why did ALL the agencies drop it, and why no major gun companies making new models? Its fine that You like the .40 but to deny it is a d*ad caliber is strange to me. i bet the thug getting plugged by my +p JHP 9mm won't be able to tell the difference compared to Your .40. Hell why even bother with the .40 when 10mm is getting new models. There is a reason the feds dropped it after it was their creation basically and they have/had major stock....Just seems odd to me.

[@deeplysorry6693]

@@joerussell9574dude 40 has +p 2 dude 😂😂

[@CarolinaRimfire]

All the guys at my local shop make fun of 40S&W and think it's outdated, but numbers don't lie. One of my favorite auto calibers. Thanks for the test, Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's a thumper.😎👊

[@jorgesolis9468]

By that standard 45 is outdated

[@justusbryant7366]

They only make fun of it because they can't handle it

[@buzsalmon]

​@ToolsandTargets yes indeed (a thumper) Thank you Tools!

[@sizedjoker2353]

If 40 is outdated so is 9

[@SDGlock23]

I've always liked the .40, I don't know why it gets so much hate, but it does. My first was a G23 back in the early 2000's and while I like to shoot all my calibers, I always felt the .40 provided the best balance of weapon size and power. Thanks for the video!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@m60user]

Probably gets it from people who don't like its recoil compared to 9?

[@joemama69448]

Never hated 40 it just feels unnecesary when 9mm is the standard for combat handguns.

[@SDGlock23]

@@joemama69448 The 9mm is very popular, it's everywhere in the world and it's a NATO cartridge and has been around since the very early 1900's. I have multiple 9mm's, it's got it's own advantages, but overall, I just think the .40 is better all around.

[@JohnEBurns]

Hey there Shooters! I am JohnBurns, an Cl-3-FFL-C&R guy and CCW guy too. I Carry Several Cal. .380Acp., .38spc. 9mm, .40 S&W, 10mm, .44spc.and 45Acp. I even have a Kentucky in 32acp. The Difference is All l Shoot for Defense is Fort Scott Ammo and all those Calibers are now Formedable & Very Lethal too. I shoot a .40cal. Bersa BP-40 Sub-Compact 7+1 mags. 3.33" barrel. 125gr. Fort Scott at 1375fps. Awesome Load! I also Carry a CharterArms. 38 snub. .38+p Fort Scott Ammo also. 95gr.(38spc)1325 fps. 2" Barrel.Smokin' less Recoil than a 158gr.bullet by far. Try them they're Great, l am a Dealer Too. Thanks.

[@kennethrisner8648]

I kinda expected the 40 to win, but didn't expect it to nearly double the penetration of the 9. Another thing you showed here is that some 40 loads are better than some 10 mm loads

[@ToolsandTargets]

I was thinking the same thing about the .40 vs 10.😎👍

[@callum1465]

@joesmith3661 buffalo bore 40 outperforms nearly every factory 10mm load

[@kennethrisner8648]

@joesmith3661 All I know is from videos I've seen, some 10 mm loads get slower speeds on a chrono, some don't penetrate as well. As for the brand names I couldn't tell ya maybe Nate can

[@danemaui8259]

​@@callum1465yes that is true, but do the 40 caliber Buffalo bore lows outperformed the 10 mm Buffalo bore loads? Of course not. You're comparing apples to oranges.

[@callum1465]

you should learn how to read bud. His question wasnt whether 40 outperforms 10mm, but whether there are 40 sw loads that outperform 10mm loads. @@danemaui8259

[@eddiecrow9133]

468 ft lbs out’ve my G23 I’m not complaining ❤

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@rmax2]

I'm a 10 mil guy, but I really like the .40's as well. Tired of hearing about how the 9mm is just so much better of a round than the .40 is, no it is not! 🤬

[@ToolsandTargets]

I carry 9mm but no way am I gonna pretend it's a better performer than a .40.

[@Apetape375]

People saying 9x19 is better than .40 is like saying Ukraine will beat Russia.

[@TheKep]

@@Apetape375it’s infinitely more practical. There’s a reason Departments the world over have dropped .40

[@Apetape375]

@@TheKep you mean cheaper.

[@M1000Rdemon]

The only reason the FBI switch to 9mm was cost. The .40s&w was developed after the famous Hollywood shootout in the 90's. Where department issued 9mm round were not stopping the shooters. So 40s&w was made to fill that role since it was a (10mm short) many people could comfortably shot and get their hands around the grip. I still have my 229R in 40. I also carry 9mm and 45acp. Variety is the spice of life.

[@captainbuck5969]

It’s good to see a review that doesn’t drag out for 30 minutes. Nice job!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@tylerd8516]

The 40 gets way too much hate it really is superior to 9mm of 45. Also love that you videos haven’t just become constant new product and unboxing videos I’m here for real honest testing. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@Rubeless]

Not if you miss.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. I get a ton of offers to do unbox/reviews but I aint got time for most of it.😆

[@Lexicologist1971]

​@@RubelessI practice so that I don't miss.

[@3gunshooter60]

As always, .40 leads the crowd. 9mm certainly is adequate, but, .40 leads.

[@ToolsandTargets]

No doubt.😎👊

[@billyj.williams2341]

The 40 165 CD checks all the boxes... awesome performance. The 9mm 115 CD is honestly a great round for normal civilian use.... which is what it's designed for. There are better 9mm rounds available but at least Hornady is giving people premium performance for the dollar.... Velocity on point for both loads and nobody can argue with the results.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Both did their jobs.😎👍

[@papimaximus95]

"The 40 165 CD checks all the boxes." .357Sig: "Hold my beer".

[@kennethferguson4283]

Yes there are better 9mm rounds available and they are loaded into a 357 Sig.

[@murphymmc]

The myth (and marketing ploy) of the .40 being dead is really pretty funny. Considering the guv'ment agencies all went to it, bought millions of rounds, then discovered their limp-wrist agents couldn't control the recoil impulse, then scurried back to the 9mm and tried to tell everyone the .40 was ineffective speaks volumes. That's a huge energy difference between those two. I like my 9mm's , I like my .40's, I love my .45 ACP. They all will do the job, one will nearly always need a doubletap, with the others it might just be the option that ensures neutralization, but not always needed.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Amen!😎👊

[@technician006]

I think they went back to the 9mm because of the influx of hiring women

[@cedarhatt-vx8kf]

@@technician006 absolootlee communists ruin everything.

[@anthonyzbikowski529]

The big market is the local agencies not really the federal LE market. 80% of the raw number of law enforcement personnel is local police or sheriff's offices in the US. Most local law enforcement is funded by property taxes on the city/county level. With the increase in materials costs for ammo, inflation, the fact that basically all the lead in the US is now imported... the price difference between 9 and .40 is noticable in a local department's training budget, especially for ball training ammo. This trend has been going on for a number of years and started around '08. 9mm is also the most popular in the civilian market so for varying market reasons 9mm is back on top for many LE agencies. You still see .40 in a lot of rural agencies.

[@BobbyFett3994]

@@technician006 That and 9mm is cheaper. Training, qualification/requalification, etc.

[@frankbrowning328]

When I carry 1 of my 40's I carry the Crical Defense ammo and I'm fine with the 19" in clear gel as it isn't as dense as flesh & bone.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Perfect penetration in my opinion.😎👍

[@bryanpropp2179]

I carry 9mm Critical Defense in my EDC, a S&W Shield Plus. I like that it will not over penetrate if I am ever unlucky enough to have and use it in a public setting. That being said, I was impressed with both rounds. Thanks again for another great test!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@OrionNoir]

After watching this, I’m definitely gonna be adding a 40 to my carry rotation. Great demo and info!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@papimaximus95]

" I’m definitely gonna be adding a 40 to my carry rotation" Skip .40S&W and go with .357Sig.

[@snakeinthegrak8969]

​@@papimaximus95lol, you're joking right? Have fun paying or even finding ammo to shoot that on a regular not to mention limited options to pick from.

[@snakeinthegrak8969]

I can understand having one open and one for concealed. But why on earth would you have a damn carry rotation.

[@papimaximus95]

@@snakeinthegrak8969 "But why on earth would you have a damn carry rotation." Because your EDC carry may change based on weather, seasons, location, activity, etc.

[@Dwayne7834]

Another good test. The 40 definitely showed up to over take the 9. Thanks for sharing 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@jefferythibodeaux9676]

Even though I'm not a 9mm fan, I have one and was impressed with the expansion. I'm still a big and fast BIG bore fan. Thanks for the test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@CookieMonster_1969]

The more I see the 40 S&W in testing, I'm starting to think these ammo company's are just loading 40S&W into a 10 mm case, and raising the price. 🤦‍♂️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep 😆

[@sizedjoker2353]

Pretty much

[@alwaysmakinglyrics7340]

40 S&W is actually a 10mm case downsized. Oh was your comment sarcasm?

[@CookieMonster_1969]

@@alwaysmakinglyrics7340 👍

[@danlindgren4290]

I’m not a fan of the prices, but 450-500 ft-lbs, good expansion, and 18-20 inches of penetration in gel is all you need for defensive ammo. If you watch Tools’ videos of the Buffalo Bore and the Sig V Crown, you are seeing bullets at the edge of coming all apart. They’re loading bullets designed for .40 S&W, so they’re putting just slightly more powder in the 10mm case. For a proper 10 mil defensive round, these companies would have to do a lot of research, and change the composition of their bullets to make them perform properly. Then they would overcharge us even more. I like the 10 over the .40. I can have 10 in the woods and .40 in the hood, and only have one gun, dot, holster, light, etc. Now if they would just charge us for the little bit of extra brass and powder instead of charging us for something they aren’t providing, we would be in business.

[@strider8933]

You always do an amazing job as to the head to head testing or testing in general. No fluff, no hype, and call 'em as ya see 'em. My only argument is the penetration thing. Having been a tactical instructor for nearly 30 years, I do not agree with the FBI protocols as to civilian carry. 99.9% of CCW people will never have to shoot thru a car door, windshield, etc.. The human torso from front to back is on average 11 inches. From side to side, not more than 20 inches Generally, the vitals are half that distance. I say this as a current medical professional. As a former LEO, I had a certain amount of leeway and the benefit of qualified immunity as to over penetration. As a civilian, not so much. My current carry ammo gives 13 inches or so max(V-Crown). I can live with that. I have it on record, qualify for the record with it, and KNOW I can trust it. I DO not disparage anyone else's choices as their situation may be different. You just happen to be one of the few that just give the results as they are. THEN give an opinion. Can't ask for more than that!!!! Keep in mind also, my personal opinion as to performance is just that. God bless!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate the comment and opinion!😎👊

[@Bob-lq9ys]

Another great test, I wouldn't expect anything less . You have the best channel on the tube, no one is even close . Thank you for all your hard work. I hope your dog is doing better

[@ToolsandTargets]

Really appreciate that, brother. She's getting there hopefully. Lost a lot of weight from being sick.

[@tajituck888]

You must haven’t seen tnoutdoors9. Nothing against this gentleman’s channel he puts out excellent content but, tnoutdoors9 has the best ballistic test on the tube hands down.

[@gscott9665]

Critical defense in every caliber is a near perfect round for civilian use. IMHO a great standard pressure choice. Another great presentation. Ty.

[@NEFARIOUS_B.I.G.]

Still Rocking the G23, G35 ! 50% more ft lbs of energy, 50% more penetration, 2x the cavity! A real mens pistol caliber !!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@davidanglin3358]

I appreciate all the work you put in to bring us the information! And I still don’t understand why the 40 is so hated on. I own several 40’s and I love the caliber. Keep up the great work!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@johnathonlivingston7573]

SW was asked to come up with a superior round to the 9 that could be carried in a frame the same size as a 9. They did it with the .40. It’s an awesome round.

[@AzureKnightmare32]

More solid content, sir. I'm shocked you're not already at 100k subs. Keep 'em coming!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. Slowly, but surely.😎👊

[@timrobinson6573]

The difference in energy between this 40 and 9mm was 155 efp. 155 efp is almost exactly half of the total energy of the 9mm(313). This 40 is substantially more powerful than this 9mm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. Big power difference here.

[@appalachianpatriot1796]

A local store as of today ran out of 9,22,and 380. There was plenty of 40.

[@robwilson3749]

That's precisely what happened immediately after Obama beat McCain in 08'. After about 5 months of no 9mm. on the shelves I finally broke down and bought a police trade in Glock 23 from a pawn shop because there was ALWAYS .40 on the shelf at Wal Mart. I didn't particularly like .40 and I'm still not falling all over myself in love with it but I learned my lesson from waaayyyy back then.

[@DIYDad1]

Great test as always! I think you have proven time and time again that 9, 40, 45 are indeed NOT all created equal, as the trend will tell everyone that there's no difference between any of the major handgun rounds, this clearly demonstrates different performance characteristics. 40 has been growing on me.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It's a good one.😎👊

[@callum1465]

9mm got more expansion tough

[@danemaui8259]

​@@callum1465duuuuuuuhhhh, deeerrrrrrrr, really?

[@ThrashTillDeth85]

The funny thing though is based on what police departments keep saying there is a difference since they keep wanting more powerful 9mm. They started with 124gr, then went to 135gr, 135gr +p, and lastly 147gr. Which at this point why aren't you using a 40? This is also fueled by the ammo companies pushing these rounds on everyone else as well, and even for 40 they keep pushing 180gr which at that point just use a 45

[@DIYDad1]

@@callum1465 with this particular example yes. The 40 cal 165gr nosler will expand to nearly0.8"!

[@popinfresh3088]

Yeah, I only carry Critical Defense in my little micro 9's because it's less snappy in my opinion. You know, I have a gen 2 glock 22 that I think is still great for home defense. I don't understand why 40 gets a bad rap. Thanks for the demonstration!

[@ToolsandTargets]

.40 is a very potent round.😎👍

[@SmittyAZ]

Because of how / why the 40 was created vs the 10MM?

[@hartsickdisciple]

.40 gets a bad rap because of ignorant people who don't know how well it performs. That, plus people who can't handle the recoil.

[@robwilson3749]

@@hartsickdisciple That and sadly, most people are more akin to parrots than critical thinkers. "Critical" thinkers, get it? I made a funny!

[@joelellis7035]

It gets a bad rap because the FBI moved away from it. The FBI prioritized follow-up shots since studies showed that "stopping power" was pretty much a myth. Most suspects weren't being stopped with one shot.

[@charlesphillips5906]

Thanks for the short barrels! It just makes sense.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@wtjonesphd9375]

I use both these rounds. I actually liked the performance of the 9mm much better in this test. The 9 penetrated adequately and dumped all its energy in the first gel block. That's just what I want it to do to an attacker. It indicates good stopping power. The 10mm, reaching 19" is too much for my liking. That would likely go through an attacker and hit whatever or whoever is behind the attacker. It probably wouldn't have too much energy after passing through an attacker but I just don't like a round possibly hitting an unintended target behind the intended target.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Kinda surprised the 9 out expanded the 40. Can’t complain about either round, good disruption and adequate depth. Always been a fan of the 40, definitely hits harder than the 9. Hated when our Dept switched from the 40 to the 9 because the Feds recommended it. Haven’t carried any before, thanks for the video Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you, brother!😎👊

[@kennethferguson4283]

The 9 didn't expand more. The .40 expanded fully then pealed back due to the greater velocity and deeper gel travel. The 9 didn't have enough velocity to force it's pedals back, the .40 did.

[@hoffpbass]

Wow, incredible short barrel performance, especially the 40. I don't think I've seen 460+ ft/lbs energy from a 40 without a specialty load, especially from a 3.5" barrel. You've had some 10mm not get that good from your Glock 4.5", IIRC. My 40 has a 4" barrel, so you just incentivized me into staggering these with the HSTs 👍 Hope you had a great holiday, Tools. Thanks for another great test. Odd to see the red insert stick with both rounds. But they worked great.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Definitely some good stuff with these .40 rounds.😎👊

[@RL-RL]

Thanks for another great test! Looks like a winner from both to me. Longer barrel would easily meet the speeds, and very surprised that both came close with the sub compacts. Hornady C/D is good stuff!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@michaeltimcisko7828]

Appreciate all your tests and videos. Im still sticking with 124 gr. 9mm gold dot though . Keep doing what you do brother! 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@robwilson3749]

The best.

[@anthonymack6412]

I carried the Critical Defense 9mm in a G19.5 for about a year and a half, then I switched to the G23.5. I have been carrying that for about a year, loaded with Speer Gold Dot 180 grain .40 S&W. I am going to order the Critical Defense in .40 S&W in a few days.

[@SwampOperator]

This is my carry load in 40. I think the cold weather hampered your velocity. I get 1150 -1160 from my 3.3. Inch xds.. its a truly nasty round.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@RT-gv6us]

Somehow I missed this test. It was a great test as always, but I would have liked to of seen the 124g Critical Duty used instead of the 115g. It would likely have penetrated further. Also, there is a KZbin video put out by Hornady in which they compare the Critical Defense and Critical Duty and explain the engineering behind each. On that video they stated their intent was for the Critical Defense was to NOT penetrate past 12 inches, so the 9mm used in this test performed exactly how it was designed to. The Critical Duty on the other hand is designed to be barrier blind and penetrate much deeper and was designed for law enforcement use. They even stated the 10mm 175g Critical Duty could be used for Woods Defense with bears. I would love to see a penetration test of that one.

[@kennethferguson4283]

The .40 is second only to the 357 Sig for SD use, these are my two SD calibers. Both calibers smoke the 9mm and the .40 replaces the .45 in the large caliber class.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@JJ_SDWR]

Good stuff Tools. For whatever reason I always carry 124/147gr in 9mm, never 115. Never messed with 40cal at all

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'm a 124 guy myself.😎👊

[@rowdyron4111]

Excellent presentation. Love seeing the head-to-head between different calibers. I have a G27 also.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Very impressive from the short barrel.

[@robwilson3749]

27 too!

[@davidmoses2178]

This is a great test, and it spells it out well. 40 is better than 9. Well done!

[@johnlacasse8893]

Love my 40 & 45... would like to see a comprehensive comparison of all from 380, 9, 40, 10, and 45... Maybe even throwing in a couple from 38 & 357 magnum... I think the "pecking order" would run 357, 10/40, 45, 38, 9 then 380 bringing up the rear... Just my thoughts on it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@dariodicarlo8745]

Do a 9mm vs .45 test on the hornady critical defense and critical duty I’d love to see that

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@EC-mc7vg]

I have always thought the guys fools that made fun of the .40 S&W and called it .40 Short and weak and claimed it was useless. 165 grain bullet, 1130 fps from a short barrel, 468 fpe, 19" of penetration, good expansion and weight retention, only a fool would argue against those results.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. It's not even close with these two.😎👊

[@EZPCTECH]

4:40 If you are not a fan of critical defense, then what is your round of choice for self defense?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Currently I carry 124 +P+ Gold Dot loaded by Underwood. Anything nice and hot is what I prefer. I wanna see 15 to 18 inches of penetration

[@DrQuagmire1]

@@ToolsandTargets you sound like me man!!!! whenever i'm carrying my Sig P320 in 9mm, I usually go with my 115-grain +P cartridges from Underwood, as I like their 9mm rounds to run hot if i'm ever forced into a Self-Defense shooting. The same goes in my Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum, as i'll either go for the 158-grain XTP-JHP's for a harder hit, or the 125-grain (also XTP's) for a faster speed

[@ArmedAndIndigenous]

40 gang💪👌 I just want you to know I really appreciate your channel and depth you go into when it comes to reviews on ammo. I've started my own log book so I dont forget the information you've provided. Thanks a bunch sir.

[@brandiwynter]

Great gobs of gator guts that .40S&W did even better than I expected. One of my HD guns is an M&P40 full size filled up with Critical Defense so I loved seeing this. Thank you so much for usually using compact carry guns for your tests. It's easy to estimate performance of a long barrel after seeing the results of a short barrel test but you have no idea what will happen the other way around.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Exactly. No doubt it will do great from the longer barrel. 😎👊

[@marcrhodes3382]

Everyone i know says the 40 is their favorite defense round, and it's my home defense. 30% more power, 50% bigger holes, 25% more penetration

[@terryrichards8645]

Hornady critical defense 45 ACP is my ammo of choice. I’d like to put big slugs down range ! And I use 44, 300 grain Hornady custom ammo for deer hunting. And it puts them down. 😊 I would like to see you test Hornady 44 Magnum custom 300 grain sometime.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely need to do some .44 mag.😎👊

[@PassDaHorchata]

I appreciate you going back and doing these again I was hoping you'd do that with the clothing now

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@gwidwock]

Thanks for another great test. I was impressed with the 9mm. I have a couple boxes of those but never carried it. Thanks again.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@kimness7796]

Great test, thanks!!! For the past 30 years, 9mm has been fighting .40. Perhaps they both work????

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. Both got it done.😎👊

[@williamcarter1381]

I carried this in my sig 365xl, but recently upgraded to Wilson Combat SFX9 and this is one round that Wilson does not recommend carrying with this particular handgun. I’m not sure why but I now carry Federal HST. Thanks for your great videos, really enjoy them.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@robwilson3749]

Interesting. I wonder why they recommend against it?

[@Cr0wmagnum]

Never was a fan of the ,40 until I started watching the side by side with the clothing "jelly contraption" Now let's see 10mm go head to head with .357Sig. Good luck finding ammo for it. 😊

[@Hanover_Fist]

Great side by side Tools....thanks......also thanks for some positive vibes for the .40.....my caliber of choice.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. .40 gets it done.😎👊

[@jeremymcauliff8485]

Glad to see .40 S&W is still putting in some work. That was a significant difference in energy and penetration over the 9mm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes indeed.😎👍

[@contemporaryprimitiveman3469]

Glad to see I’m not the last .40 fan. 9mm is ok but I carry a glock 23.

[@nikos6220]

Awesome comparison. Time to rename the 9mm Luger to 9mm LCD (lowest common denominator). The short & weak runs circles around the geriatric German in this test

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣

[@FrankBuyers...guitarista-iu3zg]

Well i would put my 9mms with 12 and 15 round magazines with buffalo bore 147gr +p hard cast and seismic 185gr rounds all day long over the 40 and most certainly wouldn't use 115gr rounds it outdated to what the 9mm carries today..

[@hartsickdisciple]

9mm is cheaper and offers a little more capacity. .40 has superior ballistic performance every time, all other things being equal. It makes a bigger hole, generally penetrates more, and delivers more energy on target.

[@LarrytheMan-uc4ev]

​​@@hartsickdisciple1200 fps with the 9mm buffalo bore147gr+p hard cast and 1000 to 1,100 fps with 9mm seismic 185gr rounds so where did you come up with this superior thing? Maybe 10 years ago but not today..

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@FrankBuyers...guitarista-iu3zg]

@@hartsickdisciple cheaper rounds do you know anything about buffalo bore and seismic? obviously not I know no one personally who has 115 gr Rounds in there 9's they are of the past not of today and the buffalo bore hard cast round is the same round that dropped a 1,100 lb Alaskan grizzly bear 9mm's today are no friggin joke

[@hartsickdisciple]

@@LarrytheMan-uc4ev If you look a the .40 S&W version of almost any load on the market (including Buffalo Bore and Underwood), it beats their 9mm equivalent. This is especially true if we look at hollow point defensive ammo. The last 10 years haven't nullified the advantages of the .40 S&W cartridge over the 9mm. All the advancements in bullets and powders that have made 9mm better have also carried over to .40 S&W. The .40 still holds more powder and can shoot bigger, heavier bullets at similar speeds. Hard cast bullets are for maximum penetration, generally for hunting or large predator defense. I too own some of the 147 grain +P hard cast Buffalo bore stuff. The muzzle velocity is 1100 FPS, not 1200. A standard pressure 200 grain .40 S&W hard cast @ 1000 FPS delivers 444 lb/ft of energy (while making a 10mm hole). 115 grain (Underwood) .40 S&W Xtreme Defender (solid monolithic bullet) flies @ 1400 FPS and hits with 501 lb/ft of energy. That's a penetrator type loading. Both Buffalo Bore and Underwood sell a 155 grain .40 S&W hollow point self-defense load with a muzzle velocity of 1300 FPS and energy of 580 lb/ft. That's midrange 10mm or light .357 magnum performance. Even a standard pressure 165 grain Speer Gold Dot LE has a muzzle velocity of 1150 FPS and hits with 484 lb/ft of energy. 9mm has been developed to where it's a good self-defense & law enforcement caliber. It will never be able to equal or surpass .40 S&W because of case limitations.

[@geedubb2005]

Well here’s the deal to ponder. If you take “center mass” (front) into account, there’s probably 60-70% that has no frontal bone covering and upper “center mass with 30-40% having rib bones. Once a bone is hit, stats go out the window. Either round will change a lot after going trough bone and make a mess of the major organs. Rounds below the ribs will likely be similar to the gel results until the round might hit bone or ribs in the back. These comparisons give us a good idea how the different calibers and projectiles work and I enjoy watching your testing. Bottom line, no matter what gun, caliber or projectile used, make darn sure you carry and practice-practice-practice! Make sure it connects with your intended target. Thank You Tools for dour dedication!

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@edwardzamorski3711]

40 is a great round. That ammo is pretty consistent

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir 😎👊

[@theopencarryguy5.0]

Hi Tools, you ask what do I think, I don't carry anything that you don't recommend, you are my sole choice for firearms and ammunition choices, please keep up the good work and happy holidays to ya brother. 🇺🇲💪🇺🇲💪🇺🇲💪🇺🇲💪🇺🇲💪🇺🇲

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Same to you!😎👊

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

​@@ToolsandTargetsI also only carry what you Recomend!!😊❤

[@Holret]

I have a .40 USP and a 9mm PDP. I dont brag one over the other like some of the dudes in this comment section. They both have their strength and weakness. Its all down to personal preference because ultimately, they both do their job well.

[@jerrytaylor4078]

I carry CD in a 9mm Shield EDC. I enjoy watching tests like this because I feel more confident should SHTF. It’s not a commercial with salesman talking about how good it is, you get to see for yourself.

[@johngrunwell]

Just a continuation of really great testing as well as Tool’s choices, he listens to his followers for sure! ❤️❤️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, my friend. It might take me a while, but I try to get around to most things if I remember.😎👊

[@user-bz7fg1pk4lbo7]

Thanks for using the short Guns, that we usually carry for CCW. My Wife absolutely refuses to give up her Glock 27 and shoots it like a champ, so why mess with a good thing. The Critical Defense is her carry load.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice!😎👊

[@jimheatherton7155]

In my own meat targets similar to Paul Harrell set up the .40 in critical defense did well lost it’s jacket but did well. The critical duty in .40 and 9mm more like a critical dud. No expansion at all. Target was denim pork ribs pork loin and watermelon in middle.

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@DAMIONMCCHEEKZ]

One of the best and clear videos I’ve seen in a long time. I had to subscribe out of respect. Stockton,ca❤️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@ccoop2416]

The .40 acts more like a critical duty not a critical defense 👌 great performance for both thought just depends what you are looking for

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@gavinbarrett4415]

Ive got a .40 and a 9mm and honestly im extremely glad to know what to expect from both. Both calibers have their purpose, but i always had a feeling .40 really was a more powerful round. Thanks 👍

[@gavinbarrett4415]

I also wanna add that i carry 37 rounds of that critical defense 115gr, its awesome to see what it does. Thats honestly exactly what i expect out of these. Good job thanks again

[@MichaelSmith-oi3yg]

Tools your testing is always spot on. Thank you. Maybe sometime you could do a 22 magnum vs. 380 test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Should be able to come up with something.😎👊

[@gkhanjriii91-04]

I bought two Police trade in Glock 22s a .22 conversion kit and a Sig 357 and 9mm conversion barrels and they're fun ❤😎👌🏼

[@garrettschienschang7898]

I carry the 40 in my fully size piece. It gets a bit more expansion and a bit less expansion but does great either way. Keep up the good work friend

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. These would be great from any barrel length it seems.😎👊

[@jasongibson8114]

I can't remember but i think that out penatrated the 40s&w 165 bonded golden saber. I will have to review your test. Great job and happy holidays!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It definitely went the distance.😎👊

[@fanman8102]

Your “jelly time” rhymes are always cracking me up. Excellent, thanks! Edit - BTW, contrary to what modern naysayers claim, whatever stopping power can be achieved by a pistol caliber is provided by a combination of expansion and penetration. It was only recently that this was considered to be untrue, along with the idea that the 9mm is “better than” the 40SW and 357Mag. Also along with that idea was another that claims carrying a 9mm cartridge (with lower recoil and higher magazine capacity) is better than using a cartridge that provides better stopping power.

[@ElainesDomain]

A bit shallow on the 9 but still good because you have a larger capacity mag. I carry the 40. I have some of this for my .380 Church edc. I think that there is more brass and lead than members.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣 Sounds like my kinda Church.

[@rangetime6779]

Hornady showed their loading precision with such consistent velocities for both! Regarding performance they both did really well from short barrels. I'd feel good about using either. Thanks for the 40 S&W test, it's popularity has faded but its results are still impressive.

[@garymcadamspa8450]

My preferred carry ammo is Remington Golder Saber but it is getting hard to find. I might buy a box of Critical Defense and see how my guns like them. Both my carry gun and night stand gun are .40 S&W.

[@KeithRichardson-zs2eq]

Good info I carry the 40 cal load in my shield.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@megatrends]

I carry .40 because I did my own expansion testing at my range. I prefer it ... nice video as always.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@MMR281]

I really like the Hornady 9mm and .223 critical defense ammo. Thanks for the test!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out!😎👊

[@aclockworkpeon]

When I picked up an HK P30L in .40 not 9mm the dude at Bass Pro thought I was crazy, but I wanted the larger round and versatility of being able to use it for hunting if needed. For a duty size gun I do like .40. For a micro carry gun, yeah 9mm is the way to go.

[@josephianfranklin]

Just bought A box of Critical Defense and wanted a reliable round from my micro compact. But after the Underwood Extreme video I'm carrying those loaded up after payday. That fluted round penetrates deep with great internal disruption

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@jamesmiller360]

I carry the 115 critical defense. Would like to see it compared with the critical duty.

[@effeojnedib7208]

Thanks for your test. I'm impressed with the results.

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@jameshood9694]

Nothing wrong with 9mm and I carry a subcompact 9mm often but in the woods lately I have been carrying a full size 40. The Critical Defense is ok, but I like the Underwood Xtreme Penetrator better in larger bullets and I do like Corbon DPX solid Copper hollow points too. They go through cloth and other barriers and still expand and penetrate very well and are a little hotter loaded than Barnes makes theirs. Critical Defense is available in 45 Long Colt too but I haven't tested any myself. I have tested the 45 acp version whuch is the exact same bullet and they done well. I expect the 7.5 inch barrel on my 45 LC will get them to expand even better.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. The .45acp did great when I tested them too. Not sure if I have them in .45 Colt.

[@ConvertibleCreed]

This video is why I am an advocate for the glock 23 over the glock 19. With just buying 9mm & a 357 sig conversion barrels plus a 9mm glock 19 magazine you've got 3 calibers at your disposal at the same size as the glock 19. But those who know choose glock 23 the true Glock G.O.A.T.

[@williamray3101]

Hornady ammo for all my pistols.great stuff.😊

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@miker9043]

As always i enjoyed the test Tools ! I have some of the 9mm and I'm glad i bought it !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Did exactly what it claims.😎👊

[@propgungoesboom2647]

Would the .40 expand more with a full size barrel? I believe the .40 was designed for a duty size gun? Would be an interesting test to compare.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It definitely would. More expansion and a little less penetration. Here's a test I did with them a while back without cloth and with a full size barrel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6qvon-nos6nf8k

[@choppermike3329]

Great test. More evidence I need to tryout a .40. Thanks Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@randy5766]

Winchester Ready Defense 170gr for me. It just seems to carry more energy.

[@jacobtuinstra1754]

Get a kkm barrel you can run very hot ammo because it is a fully supported chamber. A fully supported barrel is a safety factor with B.Bore. my 10mm Frankenstein glock is a 7 inch we made 15 years ago. Made our own slide. Kkm made the pipe. And a 24 pound spring .. it shoots 3 inches at 100 yards with optics. 180 gold dot hand loaded to 1475. So those parts make a difference..... quality parts

[@paulp.6399]

This is relevant to the subject, oh wait...

[@stsva]

Very impressive performance from short-barrel firearms - great test, thanks!

[@tlock4616]

I carry Critical Duty in my P365. Theres no doubt in my mind that .40 is a bit better. But since i severely broke my wrist i have bad arthritis in it, and .40 is just to snappy. So for me.. 9 it is. Great test! Love the side by side comparison!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@djangofreeman9382]

I also find .40 much too snappy in a small Micro compact Pistol for EDC. I Traded my M&P .40 shield for the M&P 9mm shield for the fact that Warm loaded 9mm +P can be just as effective at close ranges with always less recoil and greater ammo capacity than the Good ‘ol FAWTY SMIFF AND WESS

[@acid6urns]

@@djangofreeman93829mm +p is effective but it still is absolutely not as powerful or effective as .40, the gold dot +p 124gr is only 410 ft lbs and that’s in a duty size gun, a short barrel you’re looking at maybe 360-380. 165gr HST for the .40 is at 430 ft lbs out of a short barrel gun, over 450 ft lbs at a 4 inch barrel

[@jdk_360]

This was a great test. I don’t have a 40. Past 9mm I’m a 45 ACP, 10 mm guy. It is great that a 115 grain non +P will perform out of a 3 inch barrel. I think they got it absolutely right. My preferred carry ammo for 9 mm is generally 124 grain +p HST but these 9mm are absolutely one of the best options for the general public

[@corbinpowell128]

Hornady Critical Defense and Speer Gold Dot ammo is some of my favorite ammo due to the consistency they have on expansion and penetration. Like you said no denying that on the Hornady ammo Tools.

[@michaelmullens1214]

Thanks for this video. I use both, 9mm in my wife's APX Cent and 40s&w in my APX Cent. Great performance with both, no failures ever. Consistent groups at 10-20yds . There are alot of great options for both but I can buy this ammo off the shelf anywhere and not worry about inconsistent results. Just for fun , can you do a comparison of Critical defense vs Critical duty?

[@anthonyb2334]

I keep reading articles where folks say the 40 S&W is not a popular caliber. I don’t know how come people bad mouth the 40. I think it’s a great caliber and not too big a gun to easily carry. I appreciate your videos. I was just going through my inventory of ammunition, and found I had two boxes each of these two Critical Defense calibers. I was thinking of going to the Punch but I think these definitely perform well. Thank you again

[@sylviacandler5541]

While it has fell out of favor, a video of the 357 Sig and 9mm would surely be enlightening!