Toontrack Legacy of Rock SDX by Eddie Kramer - In-depth Review

[@renejaenke7479]

Thanks Mike, awesome review and demo! Actually this library seems to be what I've been waiting for over the years since getting the fantastic soundig "Custom & Vintage SDX" that (soundwise) has allways been my favorite. I own almost all Toontrack SDXs (which is total overkill, but pure joy, anyway), all are insanely good sounding , BUT I very, very often ended up using the C&V because its sound and charakter fits my needs so perfectly! Now my beloved C&V SDX seems to have met its successor!

[@MikeLuke]

That’s exactly what I thought. As I said in my video: There’s something special when you run Vintage drums through vintage mics and preamps into a vintage console. Something you cannot „create“ artificially.

[@KitCatStudio]

Great Mike! Seriously considering this one so tnx for the quickest review ever made!!!

[@MikeLuke]

You’re welcome buddy. Full disclaimer: thanks to Toontrack I was lucky to have that SDX already some days prior to the official release.

[@SaS-Music]

I've got a comment... "ROCK 'n' ROLL!" - This is an exciting SDX addition. Bonus points for your comment at 41:30. Thanks, Mike.

[@MikeLuke]

Thanks mate.

[@MikeLuke]

Important note: There's a mistake in the video. When I showcase the "Hands" performance, it's actually played with sticks as I forgot to switch to the correct preset. Sorry! 0:00 Intro 0:57 Eddie Kramer 3:57 AIR Studios 5:02 The Drums 8:08 Default Kit Sounds 11:03 Instrument Walkthrough 17:24 The Timpanis 18:24 The Gong 20:18 The Mixer 25:01 MIDI Grooves 27:12 Hand Samples 27:40 Articulations 30:27 Presets 38:55 Conclusion

[@biekanez1]

Mike Luke I already was thinking that are hard rim shots for hitting them with fingers. Poor drummer I thought because you told he did it with his fingers. Probably broken after the recording 😂😂😂

[@frankbetancourt7968]

Kudos Mike, on all of the great insights that you share with the rest of us!! As a fellow drummer, ToonTrack had been on my radar for quite a while, but your detailed reviews on the "genius goodies" provide in these sound packs and presets, allowed me to get off the fence and make a purchase. No regrets, and No more bad sounding drum tracks...thanks, bro

[@MikeLuke]

Thanks ever so much for your kind words, Frank. it‘s for guys like you that I do those reviews the way I do them. Cheers buddy

[@StevenMikel1]

I think I'm going to have to buy SD 3 just to be able to use this SDX,this has a lot of my favorite drum sounds

[@MikeLuke]

Well, I feel you on this ... would be a huge investment though. ;)

[@oceansidesounddesign8770]

Was waiting for your video to drop. Great review as usual Mike. I think this Rock SDX just made my decision between Decades and Hansa more complicated. What a great problem to have.

[@MikeLuke]

Well, I think this problem will occur for many people. It's really a tough decision and cannot be answered easily, to be honest. In the end it's really a subjective thing. Ask yourself what genre do you live in the most? How many instruments do you really need? How good are your mixing skills ... just trying to narrow down the options, if you know what I mean. Thanks for watching, appreciate it!

[@biekanez1]

Thank you so much for sharing this beautiful SDX pack review Mike, your reviews are always really going in depth. I know that that must be a lot of work. I do like this SDX pack a lot. Hope you're doing well Mike. Greetings from a small village called Gorssel my dear friend 🍺👊👍😎

[@MikeLuke]

Thanks for watching, my dear friend and greetings from a not-so-small village called Berlin. :)

[@philbassmedia6839]

Hi Mike, great great review! You are my go to for the ezx and sdx reviews. I do a lot of recording in different studios and I really think you have a good point in the use of these kits not just for big rock drum sound. A lot of studios have older great kits to do their main tracking and these can and are just as raw and precise in that way. Foundation to get anything sound wise. ProcessIng for modern or other genres is usually what I see so why not start with a natural kit which thankfully hasn’t ever really gone away. Cool!!

[@MikeLuke]

Hey Phil, thanks for your kind words, which I really appreciate. And yeah, there's a reason why so many studios still rely on old and vintage drums. They just sound unique and warm, yet still with character. Get the sound right at the source as they say ;)

[@TheMarkness]

This guy's track record is seriously impressive and I have to say it's an interesting drumkit, seems very versatile!

[@MikeLuke]

Yes, it‘s surprisingly versatile. As I stated out in my video, this will work in many genres. You will always have that vintage color in the sound though, which is a good thing.

[@TheMarkness]

@@MikeLuke I'm right now listening to Mastodon and Brann Dailor always has a lil of that 70's vintage sound to his toms and it's such a rich sound.

[@gregthegroove]

This series is SICK! Superb sound bro

[@MikeLuke]

Yes, they nailed it once again. Hope you are doing well, buddy.

[@robmlisanti]

I'm looking forward to the EZ Drummer Version expansion and Bass Expansion !!

[@doug_I_do_not_consent]

Thanks for making this excellent review of the Legacy of Rock SDX. It certainly nails the drum sound of my favorite 60's and 70's rock kits. It also looks like a good candidate for playing live.

[@MikeLuke]

Agreed. The drums sound very lively and natural.

[@ThePanchomack]

Legacy of Rock has been successfully registered ;) ! Now Downloading... Looking forward to it now. As always, great review Mike, helped a lot !

[@MikeLuke]

You wont‘t regret the purchase. Have fun!

[@Gpetrine]

Mike.......Thanks for what you do!!

[@MikeLuke]

You are very welcome. I enjoy making videos like this and glad you like it.

[@lovingpeace9715]

Bought as soon as I found out about this SDX. Only disappointment is the lack of midi. So I searched the net a found some Groove Monkee Zep midi files

[@Iskulaatikko]

Yes! Was eagerly waiting for a video about this SDX!

[@kerninger]

Gong sustain counter :-) Awesome !

[@MikeLuke]

I HAD to do this :-)

[@CHAOSmusic-2019]

This was quite interesting. Nice review 👍

[@XiyuYang]

Just when I thought I'm done after Death&Darkness, Decades and Rooms of Hansa

[@MikeLuke]

We are all never done with this 😂

[@XiyuYang]

@@MikeLuke No such thing as too many drum libraries xD

[@rickcarlson5109]

These drums sounds bring me [e-mail] ,right back to the 60 and 70s when we had to our tie are drummers drum set down. I'm using Superior. Drummer 3 now I was going to get the Darkness set but this new pack blows my mind I'm going to get it right after I finish buying a new Apple computer 🖥 I bought the Ez studio grand and Superior Drummer 3 after watching some of your videos my existing Mac is screaming for help . I'm afraid the Legacy drums sets will finish it off. But I will get it. I need it . ask toon track to put more verse chorus variations in there packs. The country packs I bought just weren't happening at all. I haven't bought the Nashville one yet maybe it will be better. Your videos are great 👍

[@LocaliLLocano]

Good video. I ended up buying this expansion. The room really makes a difference. Gonna record some good drums and sample it with my hardware sampler collection. I’m in love with the sparkle kit and it’s probably because I a, using Steve Gadd Jazz sticks. Take care my friend!

[@pablomartinez3610]

Thanks Mike it sounds very good. Always great reviews!

[@MikeLuke]

Cheers Pablo, appreciate it.

[@ollid.5590]

Another perfect review, well done Mike! Honestly, this expansion meets my understanding of a natural roomy drum sound with attack. I grew up with KISS and from there got into Led Zep, Stones, Hendrix etc. I guess I became a drummer also because of Eddie Kramer :)

[@MikeLuke]

I feel you, Olli. Still remember being a kid sitting next to my dad who played Led Zep and the Stones all day long.

[@stonelark]

I really appreciate your insightful reviews.

[@shaynes.9773]

Eddie Kramer is, without any doubt, my engineer/ producer idol. I am a bit older than you, Mike, so when I was first learning about Rock music, KISS were just in their prime of that first band line-up. My first KISS album was "Love Gun", and that was all Eddie's. To this day, Ace Frehley says that KISS was always their best when Eddie was recording them. And I can't argue with Ace. He is spot on. Bob Ezrin was fantastic too-- but Eddie got the band at their most raw fundamentals. Just listen to KISS "Ace Frehley" solo album... of all the 4 solo albums, Ace's album was the most in yer face, kick butt. I only wish that one of the sampled drums would have been a Pearl kit like Peter Criss during those 70s albums. Though, I understand that there is only so much time and money to put together these sound libraries and the most requested would be the Zep, Hendrix, Rolling Stones kits. Maybe we can get a volume 2 with Pete's drums...lol. And I'm not even going to get started on all the fantastic work Eddie did with Zep, Hendrix, Anthrax... the list goes on. Toontrack really blessed us with this Eddie Kramer library.

[@mfournier01]

Ughh! Damnit Mike! I just blew all my $ on D&D and Rock Foundry SDX’s and now I can have Bonham and Ringo kits? Looks like it’s Ramen for dinner for another week...Thanks for making me drool all over again! Oh how sweet that vistalite kit sounds. Thanks a lot!😝

[@MikeLuke]

Hahahahaha, you’re very welcome. I told you, buddy. Once you dive into this world of drum sounds, you will constantly get tempted to buy more. Seriously, it’s crazy how accurate that Vistalite sounds - plus the legendary Ludwig Supraphonic snare and the Paiste cymbals. And, of course, that gong though ... 🤷‍♂️😂

[@shiftgears211]

Great video Mike. add another SDX to my list lol.

[@MikeLuke]

Yeah, Toontrack is bad for a wallet :)

[@gregwilliams2764]

Hi Luke, good to see you again. This looks awesome for me. The only one missing is Ginger Bakers drums, but the 3 others are great for me. In the Mitch set they also did brushes. I always wanted to play “up from the shies “by Hendrix. Now I can..good to hear from you I’ll be buying this on payday.

[@MikeLuke]

Thanks for stopping by Greg. Always appreciate your comments. This SDX is stunning.

[@christopherpederson1021]

Goddamn this thing sounds so good. I thought Hansa was the penultimate Toontrack library!

[@catsven1973]

Thought the music city was the best !

[@djabthrash]

I love most of the sounds i heard from this library and would go to those for current projects, even if those projects were not supposed to be vintage.

[@MikeLuke]

I have to agree. That library is definitely versatile enough to be used in different genres as well. Just ridicolously well recorded drums.

[@SteveMonti]

Hey Mike great review just got this pack today, its huge 180gb!! Olala i love it though... cheers man

[@MikeLuke]

Hey Steve, yes! I told Toontrack already they should consider to step into the computer hardware market. Like offering „Every 4 SDX you get a 1TB external drive for free“ ;) Just watched your video, sounds amazing. Cheers buddy

[@13aront]

Hey Mike, thanks for the review! How does this compare to Rooms of Hansa? I may be wrong, but from my reading they seem similar -- Hansa seems very rock oriented and the Marble Room and Meistersaal give you the big rock sound. Do you think its worth it to have both or is there alot of redundancy?

[@MikeLuke]

Hey Trevor, I think I‘ll make a video about that topic as many start to ask exactly that. Anyway, my 2 cents: Hansa is special by any means. It’s really about the rooms, you basically get four SDX in one. And still probably the best recorded SDX ever as engineer Michael Ilbert fully understood the idea behind SD3. This Legacy of Rock is a hommage to the great rock bands and artists from the 60s and 70s. It serves that purpose and does is extremely well. Hansa in that sense sounds more complex, definitely more modern. However, either the sounds of those four rooms fit to your productions (then it’s amazing) or it doesn’t. While the LoR seems to me more versatile and more flexible.

[@Drum2]

This is an awesome review as always, thank you. I pressed the buy button as soon as it went live on the Toontracks website, and I'm downloading it now. 180GB, its going to take a while lol :) ....this is perfect for all the music and eras I love. Cant wait to try it out once its finished downloading and installing. Are you going to do any cover songs using this SDX? That would be cool to show how they fit into a mix :)

[@MikeLuke]

Hey Malcom, thanks for watching. Well, I need to check if there's any song I did in the past which might fit here. I thought about this already. In every case I want to showcase how well this SDX fits in a song context.

[@Drum2]

@@MikeLuke Some Led Zeppelin or Rolling Stones would be cool ;)

[@hunedog8693]

Respectfully, The Song Remains the Same was filmed in September 73. The film was released in 1976. I saw them on July 18th 73 actually the 1st concert I ever attended.

[@MikeLuke]

Oh, thanks for clarification then. And what a band to attend a 1st concert!

[@hunedog8693]

@@MikeLuke TBH it wasn't one of their better nights, the rhythm section was solid (JB & JPJ the melody not so much (JP and RP). The only time the melody came together was when JPJ played keyboards. The band hit the stage at 9O'Clockish with no opening act and left before 10pm with no encore. The Rolling Stones riot at the same venue that happened the summer before had everyone wondering if was going to happen again as we filed out. Mind blowing experience for a 13 year old headed to high school that fall.

[@jetset9561]

Just released 2 mins ago

[@gitarren-bass-onlineschule9422]

Hi Mike, gutes Review! Nutze aktuell noch die Core Library von SD3, ich hoffe aber darauf, mal eine von den neuen SDX´s im Sale zu bekommen. Die Legacy of Rock wäre auf jeden Fall interessant. Beste Grüße!

[@MikeLuke]

Danke Dir! Bedenke nur, dass es immer etwas dauert, bis Toontrack die neueren SDX im Sale annietet, üblicherweise ein bis zwei Jahre.

[@gitarren-bass-onlineschule9422]

@@MikeLuke Danke für die Info! Alles andere wäre auch etwas unfair gegenüber denen, die den vollen Preis dafür gezahlt haben.

[@gregwilliams2764]

Again, on the Gretsch set dhoing dry sounds there are good tools , are they the midi or you?. I thought I heard honey Tonkin woman when you started except the cowbell

[@salviadivinorum1762]

Mitchell's Premier kit and Charlie's maple round-badge Gretsch would have been my favs.

[@MikeLuke]

Yeah, Mitchell played Premier most of his career - here they sampled a Ludwig kit though. Anyways, sounds equally great and accurate. Especially as they even sampled it with brushes which is a reference to Mitch Mitchell and his roots in jazz.

[@Musica-zp7zn]

Downloaded just for the Bonham's Vistalite sound............

[@geoffreymerrifield5666]

Wow Mike, amazing playing. What hardware do you use?

[@justin1603]

@mike Miss your sdx reviews Mayby one day you do a sdx comeback just for the fun....many viewers would love that i guess I guess you would love fields if rock Beside hansa and death sdx my favourite one so far... Hitmaker is not for me Area33 ist great recorded of course but has a strange sound to my ears (specially kicks and snares...the rest sounds great) and horrible presets ^^ Greetings

[@MikeLuke]

Hey, appreciate your kind words. I still read all comments and watch other reviews ;) And yes, I was tempted to get my hands on „Fields of Rock“ 😉

[@justin1603]

@@MikeLuke hey Mike...really you thought bout it...sadly you decide not to come back but you have your reasons i guess :)) yeah love also rock and progressive foundry, decades, legacy of rock (great sdx) but fields of rock, death amd darkness and rooms of hansa are my favourite ones...by far

[@Biffinnbridge]

Hi Mike. Would you say you prefer Kramer’s Ludwig over Massenburg’s? So far I’ve only heard on an iPad and they sound similar. I look forward to listening properly to your video. Excellent work thanks.

[@MikeLuke]

Hard to compare, to be honest, as the rooms contribute so much to the overall drum sound and the Galaxy Studios (Belgium) in which the core library had been recorded is so freakin‘ huge. But yeah, as both kits have been tuned and sampled by the same drummer (Norman Garschke), they will sound similar. For me it’s never a question which I prefer. It’s more a question of when do I need what sound.

[@zeppo20]

Very nice, finally toontrack releases Bohnam kit.. The song remains the same is from 1973 tour at Madison square garden.

[@MikeLuke]

You are right. The actual film about that tour was released in 1976, I should have made this clearer.

[@zeppo20]

@@MikeLuke Yes, 1976 was released.

[@jaethomasmusic]

is there some unofficial list of what each kit is reminiscent of which albums?

[@k-9iqdogtrainingandadulted511]

great review!!!! Many thanks

[@MikeLuke]

Cheers buddy!

[@klausagerbo7213]

Mike, if I love the drums and cymbals of a legacy of rock kit, but want to add some more toms, how do I go about that? Can I open a kit in Death/ Darkness SDX and then pick the Legacy drums and cymbals instead of the native drums and cymbals? And then tune the Legacy toms to add additional toms?

[@MikeLuke]

Hi Klaus, yes, that’s doable. Just keep in mind though that both SDX have been recorded in different rooms with different mics, so don’t expect the sound of this hybrid kit to be consistent, you might need to further tweak.

[@k-9iqdogtrainingandadulted511]

Hey Mike, What are your thoughts on Roland RT Surface mounted triggers? I have an acoustic hybrid kit and am using them at present and wonder if the internal triggers are really that much better?

[@MikeLuke]

Well, Roland‘s stuff is usually very, very good. I found that on a snare the internal triggers are better in capturing all subtle notes. On toms, you don‘t really need internal triggers IMO.

[@k-9iqdogtrainingandadulted511]

@@MikeLuke Thank you!!!

[@Bezowinz]

Can you comment on how much the presets rely on bus processing? I tend to use multi-output routing and often have to rebuild the sound of SDX presets in my DAW. I like many of the presets I've heard but wonder how useful they'd be to me.

[@MikeLuke]

Haven’t checked all of them, to be honest. From what I‘ve seen I can tell that the Eddie Kramer presets use bus processing, Toontrack has several options. But I see where you‘re coming from, I use multi-outs as well.

[@Bezowinz]

Mike Luke thanks! I wish they would mix presets with multi-out routing in mind.

[@Bezowinz]

Do you use Toontrack presets when recording. If so, I'm curious how you mix them. Do you multi-out route them or use the stereo out? If multi, do you just rebuild the mix/preset? I imagine you don't rely on presets as much as I do, if at all. Cool learning experience, but I end up having to copy the bus processing in my DAW because I always use multi-out routing.

[@MikeLuke]

When I record, I usually don‘t use any preset or if I do, then I‘ll use a slightly processed one from the core library. And after my recording I might switch to other expansions to see if they maybe fit even better. The mixing takes places in my DAW for several reasons. A preset never „knows“ what I actually need in my mix, so I have to mix my drums in any case anyway.

[@Bezowinz]

@@MikeLuke ok. I use the presets as a starter for the basic sound. But yes, the mix is always done in my DAW, which is why I multi route everything. Not the worse thing since, yeah, a preset never knows what a mix needs.

[@bigsoftii]

Damn, Mike! You released this quicker than Toontrack

[@MikeLuke]

Haha, no. They had their videos already done before I even started recording, a lot of information I shared in my video are based on Toontrack's videos. I just published my video the moment this SDX has been officially released.

[@DouglasComical]

Is there any difference between the kits in this and their equivalents in the ezx classic rock? I honestly really like mainly the amber kit and it looks like it’s in the classic rock one as well

[@MikeLuke]

Hi Billy. The difference between the EZX and the respective SDX in general is that the EZX include less kits to choose from and that the sound is pre-processed by Toontrack. With the SDX you‘ll have the full control to shape the sound however you want, the EZX is more mix-ready. So if you don‘t want to spend hours for mixing and tweaking anyway, the Classic Rock EZX might be the one to pick here.

[@DouglasComical]

@@MikeLuke Are the EZX pre-processed presets available in the SDX?

[@MikeLuke]

Not the specific ones from the EZX, but other ones. Usuallly more presets overall as there are more Instruments available, too.

[@justin1603]

@mikeluke how would you rate this compared to their last sdx decades, hansa, death&darkness & legacy of rock? i have to play legacy to can say how good it is but the other ones: 3: hansa 2:decades 1:death/darkness sound quallity is suberb from all their latest sdx but deaht/darkness is the holy grail i would say :)

[@MikeLuke]

That’s a tough one. Because „the best“ always heavily depends on so many variables. Sound is often subjective. Death and Darkness matches more the sound people are used to from nowadays productions. Hansa and Decades serve a different purpose, Hansa more rock, Decades more pop/swing/jazz. The Legacy of Rock is pure 70s rock. In the end it depends on the song, as always.

[@justin1603]

@@MikeLuke of course you are right...its all about the song and personal taste but i ment it more in a soundquallity way,,,what the best sampled one? death and darkness seems almost perfect and i am corious how good legacy of rock sounds...its their second biggest liabry to date

[@MikeLuke]

Marc V. Oh, I see. Well, to me the best recorded library is still Hansa. Decades is close, too. LoR I haven‘t tested that much in the last days, will need to spend some additional time with it.

[@gregwilliams2764]

Hard to find triplet rolls in midi of anything. So if those are included, I’d be happy.

[@gregwilliams2764]

When playing the amber kit presets there are great rolls on the snare running down the the toms. Did you pla y that yourself or are they in the midi ?

[@MikeLuke]

Hi Greg, that’s the performance of drummer Norman Garschke from Toontrack, who recorded all this. You see him in all the Toontrack-Videos about this SDX.

[@FernandoLobo]

Awesome luke thanks.Downloading......got a question for you.I've got all the expansions pretty much but not the metal ones, i do blues, jazz, rock, hard rock, soul and funk and i could get to the progressive territory....but not death metal.So if purchase death and darkness, could it be useful to stack or to get some "appropriate" sound for those genres ? i cannot find good NON metal examples on toontrack's page nor anywhere, your only.

[@doug_I_do_not_consent]

Many people who aren't metal players think certain kits in both Death and Darkness are the best playing for edrums - the kits are very present and punch though a mix well - much like Evil Drums in that respect

[@FernandoLobo]

@@doug_I_do_not_consent No, that is fine, did metal for many many years.I am not there right now, but its hard to find reference when you cannot test the software...i am pretty sure i will find a use if i get it...and i could use it on a pop song if i wanted to, but you know, i was just trying to find out about the expansion a little more....because if it too punchy an dry....i meano way to punchy and dry, its not very usefull for me.The death sound cool very usable....darkness not so much for my style right now.Thanks for your reply

[@MikeLuke]

I second Doug's comment. Death & Darkness is a bit misleading as a name. In the end it is - just as an example - a Yamaha Recording Custom with a Ludwig Black Beauty snare and some Meinl Byzance cymbals. A setup every recording engineer around the world would immediately grab to record any song or genre. The samples themselves are rather punchy, but you can easily tame this with EQ or compression. However, there's some vibe and character on some other SDX or EZX which might fit better to blues, jazz, soul and funk. Death & Darkness just contains metal snare drums, but sometimes you want or need a warm wooden snare sound. So if you ask me if you really NEED the Death & Darkness (while having most of the others), I'd probably say "No".

[@FernandoLobo]

@@MikeLuke Hey luke...well NEED is a very specific word, WANT is more suitable. You know what. i said "Fxxx it" got all expansions pretty much, another one cannot do more damage.....i am trying it right now, and I love it.It sounds awesome, quality sound...i could fit DEATH on any rock genre, maybe not jazz but still. And darkness is very good as well. SD3's are awesome, this dudes are setting the bar very high..listening to SD2 libraries, which are excellent, but the SD3 have another quality when you enable all bleed...either way i still love the CUS & VINTAGE and INDEPENDENT. Thanks dude.

[@XiyuYang]

You can definitely do those genres (well, maybe not jazz) with Death and Darkness. It's advertised to appeal to metalheads, but it's actually a very well recorded and produced sample library. Although I would go for Decades if you want to do jazz (brushes!)

[@bo3751]

How does this compare to Decades SDX?

[@morgan3149]

Even though it's labeled as a 70's Rock sounding library, I think there is still something that improves in each and every expansion that comes out besides details and articulations, it's the snare sound quality. I would buy this one just for the sound of the Supraphonic snare and the Acrolite. It's litteraly some dream snares, yes I love Aluminium snare much more than brass (Supraphonic over Black Beauty anyday ! :P) But it's a 180 GB, plus another 180 Gb for installation, my hard drive can't handle it for the moment sadly... If I just re-install the Core library wich is around 50GB, would I be able to tu use all the mics (near, mid, far..) and bleeds of any expansions correctly? I have to say that I barely use the Core library so If i can just install the basic install (part 1) and run the expansions on full mode correctly, just let me know !!! Thanx a lot ! Very nice review as always, my wallet knows what's coming when I decide to watch your videos man ahahah !

[@MikeLuke]

Yes, to run SD3 you just need to core installation and do not need all additional bleed or room mics. On Toontrack‘s website (FAQ) there‘s a how-to-install-guideline, you might wanna check that as well. And I have to disagree on the snares: I‘d always go for the Black Beauty instead ;);)

[@morgan3149]

@@MikeLuke Thanks a lot ! And i knew you would disagree on that ahahah :) I can't wait to see if we gonna have something new on November this year (Metal November) like last year and D&D sdx. Looking forward to your videos !

[@evenios2831]

wow i like teh hands options kindad like rock percussion lol great stuff...

[@gregwilliams2764]

Will there be more grooves midi?

[@maidenmopar]

I've never bought an SDX. Is it split up or one big download?

[@keithdunwoody1302]

Love Vista Lite!

[@TheRobGuard]

Ive always loved Eddie Kramers stuff, for example Ace Frehleys 1st solo album (actually counts as a KISS album though). Im not sure what desks he prefer but I dont think its SSL, more like a Neve guy (I guess).

[@MikeLuke]

Well, at least this SDX has been recorded on a Neve. SSL was more famous and used during the 80s, I guess.

[@eranddroory9987]

Nice.. Now we just need a real CLA library made in the Air studios!

[@MikeLuke]

I don‘t think this will happen as CLA already made a drum sample pack together with Steven Slate.

[@eranddroory9987]

@@MikeLuke still hoping.. I have the standard ssd 5. Not at all impressed! Toontrack is far better at what they're doing.

[@gregwilliams2764]

Beautiful

[@ericadrum554]

👍👍

[@martyntoole4865]

Just a question, the snares don't sound all that crisp to me and not so with a lot of sissle. Are you able to get a little more out of them with eq. Just my 10 cents worth, thanks, enjoy your reviews.

[@MikeLuke]

Yes, of course. All the instruments react very well to processing and EQ. Reason that they sound a bit darker is because they used a lot of vintage ribbon mics during the recording which sound less harsh and crisp by nature.

[@Martos59]

Mike Luke Thankyou mate, some of Bonhams snares in say D’yer mak’er for example are quite bright and crisp, 👍

[@catpeterson4577]

Mahalo from Honolulu. Wonderful. Mahalo!

[@g.e.holliday9375]

Thats the issue ,i might have is u have to take what they did and make it modern 2020. Thanks

[@robrobbins2530]

Song Remains The Same concert is from a 1973 performance.

[@WaBoo78]

Klingt extrem gut und Kramer ist eine echte Legende!!!!!! Würdest du dieses SDX aber verwenden wenn du fast ausschließlich mit 2 rack toms und einem floor Tom arbeitest? Einfach floor Tom 1 höher stimmen oder macht das keinen Sinn?

[@MikeLuke]

Hi Walter. Ich denke, in dem Fall würde ich lieber ein Racktom doppeln. Die Floortoms fangen alle mit 16“ an, die wirst Du kaum so hochgestimmt bekommen, dass sie wie ein 12er klingen. Das eine Ludwig-Kit hat zwei Racktoms (13x9 und 14x10) ... sind zwar große Racktoms, aber wir reden ja schließlich über John Bonham. ;) Ansonsten wie gehabt. Ein normales 12x8 Tom doppeln, dann eins leicht hoch stimmen, das andere leicht tiefer ... dann passt das ganz gut. Mache ich bei anderen SDX auch.

[@WaBoo78]

Danke für die rasche Antwort! 😊 muss mal schauen wie das mit dem doppeln funktioniert! Hy Luke ich möchte dich nicht nerven, hab dir schon mal wegen meinem Problem mit einer HH Spur geschrieben. Hab’s auch schon über den Toontrack Forum versucht aber mit mäßigem Erfolg! www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/help-with-drum-tracking/ kannst du mal drüberhören? Lg Walter

[@MikeLuke]

Walter Burger Klar, ich kann es probieren. HiHat ist immer tricky. Gerade dann, wenn man nur Overheads als Grundlage hat.

[@WaBoo78]

Du bist der beste 👍🏻😊 er spielt da einen Beat der für mich einfach nich nachvollziehbar ist ( bin hald nur ein Gitarrist 😂) der aber so wichtig für das Lied ist!

[@MikeLuke]

Walter Burger Wo kann ich den Beat denn hören? Im Toontrack-Forum finde ich nix. Magst Du es mir mal schicken?

[@RiffLair]

High polished glossy samples? No thanks! This expansion sounds amazing! Very warm, can't wait to get some tape dirt on this! :D Also the snare sounds! Great, hope this helps my workflow since I mostly work on classic/vintage stuff. Thanks Mike!

[@MikeLuke]

Yeah, agreed. Looking at the presets from Eddie Kramer ... he did exactly that. Adding a huge amount of tape saturation on every track plus some compression (though rather subtle) and here you go: organic, warm and big.

[@deans.4705]

I have one main problem with this SDX. In the 70's and 80's, people used a slew of rack toms. I can't believe they would try to pass this off. Sure the Stones, Zeppelin and Beatles were instrumental as was Eddie. I hope they come out with a second Legends of Rock for the rock bands that paved the way for the 80's. Yes, Rush, Deep Purple, King Crimson....

[@MikeLuke]

I see your point. Even though it‘s an older SDX, but you might wanna check the „Metal Foundry“ SDX. This expansion did actually capture that 70s sound with toms all over the place ;) Do some research on this or watch the official video from Toontrack and you‘ll see how they recorded those huge setups.

[@deans.4705]

@@MikeLuke thanks Mike. Already have it.

[@bobbydtv1]

all the commercials on this suck

[@MikeLuke]

Hey Bob, I have no controls on that unfortunately. Is it too bad? All I can do is disable the advertisement completely.

[@bobbydtv1]

@@MikeLuke yeah they really have gone off the deep end adding more commercials ,great video btw ,just so disgusted with what you tube has become .cheers

[@doug_I_do_not_consent]

Hi Bob, for years I've subscribed to Google Play Music Family Plan. I have 6 of us using it for $18/month. Every time I need to learn a new song or someone recommends something to listen to I find it. The bitrate is high and it sounds good. A huge side benefit is when you're signed in there are no ads in KZbin. They are migrating it to KZbin Premium, I migrated my account to it and it appeared to allow me to use it the same way (targeted listening of my own selections). I do sometimes click the "station" button for an artist - the resulting playlists are reasonable. I have my own playlists for covers I want to learn - listen later etc.

[@sylotop]

I recommend using brave browser for no commercials.

[@timearchitecture]

Not at all interested in this but watching your whole video anyway 😊

[@autowalter]

Yeah you pay for the room, not for the drums, edrummers with 5 toms and 6 cymbals look elsewhere, the rock foundry for instance...

[@TheDigitalMD]

Really disappointed in LEGACY of Rock and Rooms of Hansa. While the raw recording is good, most of the presets are simply unusable and many are just horrible. Guess the engineers ran out of ideas and just threw in juck for filler. AND.. Why did they cheap out on the number of toms in the kits? I understand the Amber kit is a recreation of Bonham's Amber Vistalite so ok, but why so few toms in the other kits? They have dozens of mics and channels so you have 52 (lol) channels of surround sound (God knows why that matters) and 3 drums. ? Really? You got the mics , the studio, the experts , record a couple more drums in the set just in case I need them, because I probably will. These last two SDX offerings are losers. If you are going to spend the time to record 7.1 surround at least do a handful of usable presets and a full 4 Tom setup.

[@MrTapanhazra]

Please less talk, avoid unnecessary chatting. It's fundamentally needed for a good video demo

[@MikeLuke]

Unnecessary chatting? You do understand the purpose of a review, don’t you?