TOP 10 Battle Tactics of Antiquity and Medieval

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Kings and Generals

Kings and Generals

Күн бұрын

We have always been fascinated with tactics of the past and the ways generals were able to win the battles against the overwhelming odds. In this video we list 10 antique and medieval tactics and formations that we consider most interesting.
Timestamps:
00:40 - Oblique Order
01:39 - Concentrated Center
02:35 - Hidden Flank
03:31 - Inverted Wedge
04:19 - Crescent Formation
05:17 - Feigned Retreat
06:25 - Hit and Run
07:39 - Single/Double Envelopment
08:40 - Schiltron
09:32 - Triplex Acies
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@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Our newer videos have much better narration and quality, check them out. Consider supporting us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/kingsandgenerals It will really help us improve the quality and the regularity of our videos.
@rhemorigher
@rhemorigher 6 жыл бұрын
Sassing ye olde narrator with not a care in the world.
@Not-Just-Cars
@Not-Just-Cars 6 жыл бұрын
What about the ancient Chinese pike and shot
@groundsgrounds3002
@groundsgrounds3002 6 жыл бұрын
I've always been interested in the logistics of how armies were supplied in the field. Roman armies were well organised but how did Medieval Armies operate for long periods of time?
@anggi8699
@anggi8699 5 жыл бұрын
Great video but the music is to loud.
@thatdodude1464
@thatdodude1464 5 жыл бұрын
Kings and Generals should
@VT-mw2zb
@VT-mw2zb 6 жыл бұрын
I once thought that these tactics were deceptively simple, and many people in idle conversations slam this or that King and General as "not being a genius" by using very simple tactics. However, now knowing more, there are 2 things why things are simple. The main reason, as Clausewitz put it: "In wars, the right things are simple, but even the simplest thing is difficult in war". First, any time you can put together any number of men and not having the group spontaneously collapse from ill-discipline, logistical problems, lack of supplies, diseases, etc ... can already be considered an achievement. Armies and bureaucracies spent an inordinate amount of time dealing with this and precisely this. Feeding and keeping a large number of men healthy in the days before canned food, refrigeration, modern transports, and knowledge of sanitation, was no easy task. Armies melted away without a single fight for this very reason. Second, observation and communication. Unlike in games when observation and communication are instant, IRL, these things are slow. Generals were most likely on top of some hill, squinting their eyes trying to decipher what the hell is going on. You can only communicate with your subunits by the means of riders and messengers. You might hear that your flank is about to collapse and decided to send a messenger to dispatch the reserve; but then when the reserve arrives your flank has already collapsed and now half your force is running away.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
That is a great comment! Indeed, when you think about it, even recruiting and keeping an army together was a big challenge. They had no census lists, no computers and no modern administrative power of the state to draft new recruits. And, yes, communication during the battle was, probably, a hell. So, keeping it simple was indeed a wise decision. :-)
@nesa1126
@nesa1126 6 жыл бұрын
Nice comment, go up!
@gallowglass3764
@gallowglass3764 6 жыл бұрын
Xuan Vinh To you are spot on. Your comment reminds me of an old PC game called Legion. Basically, you would set up your units, give them commands before the battle began, and then press "play" and hope for the best. I imagine war games looking like your description in the future.
@rickmoser3544
@rickmoser3544 6 жыл бұрын
Xuan Vinh To that's why you lead from the front and make sure you have competent leaders in every portion of your army. Center, flanks, reserves, etc and make sure you have a few other competent men ready to take command incase you fall
@699CHIP
@699CHIP 6 жыл бұрын
GOOFY LUCK holy crap I remember that game. Good times
@ElBandito
@ElBandito 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing gets a nomadic warrior more excited than feigned retreat.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
It depends on the perspective, I guess. :-) Maybe, it was their enemies who initially got excited seeing the nomads retreating. :-)
@ardaaslan1923
@ardaaslan1923 4 жыл бұрын
@@KingsandGenerals they were indeed. Battle of Mohac was one of the last examples
@b..3543
@b..3543 4 жыл бұрын
@@KingsandGenerals it also becomes last thing to feel excited about for nomad's enemies, just before they die even before they understand how did they die
@johnkiks8024
@johnkiks8024 3 жыл бұрын
Genghis Khan used Feigned Retreat to great effect in his battles. It was his favorite tactic. Of course as the Mongol empire expanded they adapted to new tactics and new weapons- they learned from their enemies... Yes Feigned Retreat was their favorite tactic early in their expansion..
@marindraganov5897
@marindraganov5897 2 жыл бұрын
True, that is the way Normans won at Hastings.
@stopandthink7359
@stopandthink7359 6 жыл бұрын
1. Oblique order Create local superiority on one wing to break it faster and to create a possibility of attacking from multiple sides. Protect the weaker portion of the army by keeping it from the enemy as long as possible. 2. Concentrated center Create local superiority in the center to break it faster and to create a possibility of attacking from multiple sides. 3. Hidden flank Create local superiority on one wing to break it faster and to create a possibility of attacking from multiple sides. 4. Inverted wedge Protect the weaker portion of the army by giving it space to slowly retreat without breaking. Attack with superior forces on the flanks and encircle the enemy. 5. Crescent 6. Feigned retreat Keep retreating slowly in order to stretch and break the enemy forces to smaller chunks, attack them from multiple sides and defeat with local superiority. Grunwald Provoke the enemy to expose his flank and then attack it from multiple sides with local superiority. 7. Hit and run For missile units. Protect your forces from a stronger enemy by keeping them at a distance and slowly weakening the enemy from the distance. 8. Envelopment Create local superiority on one or both wings to attack from multiple sides. The general pattern here is to prevent the enemy from using his superiority and to attack in a manner that allows you to create local superiority (of quality or quantity) in one or in many places.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
You stopped and thought about it. :-)
@stopandthink7359
@stopandthink7359 6 жыл бұрын
a bit
@chrisproost7290
@chrisproost7290 6 жыл бұрын
+STOP and Think Lol yeah, me too, just a little... like the vid narrator, I may be all kinds of a mess when older but I will never forget my battlefield glories...
@marindraganov5897
@marindraganov5897 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the above is also knows as: "Defeat in detail".
@patricks1560
@patricks1560 4 жыл бұрын
The Romans had a trick, you kill my army I'll come back with a new, improved one.
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw 4 жыл бұрын
Yep. They did that a lot. .
@LazyCrazyGuy
@LazyCrazyGuy 4 жыл бұрын
Yes and defeat their enemies with the same tactics that defeated their own previous army. Romans were really one of a kind. Adopted strategies quickly and always employed them better than even the creators of said tactics could ever do.
@ottovonmlgbismarck9882
@ottovonmlgbismarck9882 4 жыл бұрын
@@LazyCrazyGuy what ever happened to the italians. Was napoleon the last hereditary italian competant general?
@jomcabanilla3732
@jomcabanilla3732 4 жыл бұрын
@@ottovonmlgbismarck9882 i would like to know more about that too
@Huczek141
@Huczek141 4 жыл бұрын
@@ottovonmlgbismarck9882 Napoleon was Italian? Ok... Cezare Borgia was a very skilled general.
@mynamesvlad
@mynamesvlad 6 жыл бұрын
Using triple axis in Rome 2. The next thing you hear is "our troops are running the field of battle, this is a shameful display"
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Yep, unfortunately, for all of its good things, TW sometimes fails to represent the tactics of the past. Then again, they tried to create a symmetrical experience so every faction would be equal.
@sjakierulez
@sjakierulez 6 жыл бұрын
That's 1 of the things I like about TW:Warhammer, some factions play alike but some are so different.
@borispavlov6891
@borispavlov6891 6 жыл бұрын
Actually ive made triple axies work in rtw2 before sure the broke down into more of a square at some point but hey its that originale cohesion beuty were after.
@RiftZM
@RiftZM 6 жыл бұрын
Lol. A lot of tactics and strategies fail to work in TW, aside from envelopment or Hammer and Anvil.
@shahlajafri7334
@shahlajafri7334 6 жыл бұрын
vlad Too true!
@WyrmrestAccord
@WyrmrestAccord 6 жыл бұрын
"One day I will grow old and forget my wife's name, my credit card pin and the password to my favourite pornsite, but I'll still be able to talk about Romans for hours and hours" LOL I can identify with this 100%
@bassplayer8815
@bassplayer8815 6 жыл бұрын
Are you Syd Barret
@jameschebahtah
@jameschebahtah 6 жыл бұрын
Acid Trip I was dying when he said that
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
+James Chebahtah can't lie. :-)
@guilhermehx7159
@guilhermehx7159 5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣👏🏻
@onlineenglish7065
@onlineenglish7065 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Robert Graves, near the end, actually believed he was in Ancient Rome.
@mohamadyassar1826
@mohamadyassar1826 Жыл бұрын
Wow , Beginning of an era on youtube!!!😀😀😀
@fredfreddy8684
@fredfreddy8684 5 жыл бұрын
I studied history in school, but had little interest in military minutia beyond what was needed for a macro view. Thanks for the videos. It's helping my RPG and war gaming skill.
@pancapana0190
@pancapana0190 4 жыл бұрын
Current war tactic: the one who press button first is the winner
@user-vu3cq2rd7z
@user-vu3cq2rd7z 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@EokaBeamer69
@EokaBeamer69 4 жыл бұрын
It doesnt even work that way because of submarines :D
@abc6568
@abc6568 4 жыл бұрын
Whoever has a button loses
@franciscoguerrero9719
@franciscoguerrero9719 3 жыл бұрын
Column formation, wedge formation, staggered column, shift fire, bounding. Modern tactics are just as interesting/cool as the ancient stuff.
@mansur1413t
@mansur1413t 3 жыл бұрын
@@franciscoguerrero9719 any channel you would suggest with modern war tactics content?
@fyoloswaggins5203
@fyoloswaggins5203 6 жыл бұрын
For 2000 years from Scythians to Ottomans, "Feigned flight" dominated the open battlefields so that would be my choice.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
If you have mobility and lack numbers, it is a way to go.
@szarekhthesilent2047
@szarekhthesilent2047 6 жыл бұрын
Actually.. no. not if your enemy is using combined arms (without making grave errors...), or has overwhelming firepower or superior range... + there's always siege...
@CookieGamerss
@CookieGamerss 6 жыл бұрын
Joe Blow Turks in general used the hilal/Wolf Trap tactic,Its the best tactic if you are in an open field,If you are in a siege etc its useless, and FUN FACT;Ancient turks learned and improved this tactic via observing wolf packs hunt. One of many battles that this was used was manzikert
@Danjen3ify
@Danjen3ify 6 жыл бұрын
Personally, I wouldn't fall for that. If I were a commander I would as a rule never chase retreating enemies. Not even if it's a rout.
@CookieGamerss
@CookieGamerss 6 жыл бұрын
Roderic Kingfield Here is the thing,usually when this tactic was used a lot of soldiers got hyped and disobeyed orders and chased the turks then got right in to a trap,Even if your army is really diciplened there is going to be some soldiers that always got adrenaline rush
@AlvorReal
@AlvorReal 6 жыл бұрын
This was both entertaining and informative. Thank you.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching :-)
@icantthinkofaname940b2
@icantthinkofaname940b2 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos. You do a fantastic job of hitting the main point without overwhelming the viewer. Keep up the good work.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support. I hate verbosity and tautology. :-)
@jimzimmer2048
@jimzimmer2048 4 жыл бұрын
Kings and Generals thx for giving noobs tactics now
@beezybuzyfamily
@beezybuzyfamily 3 жыл бұрын
0:00 legend is born
@historiankid8658
@historiankid8658 3 жыл бұрын
At 2017,a legend was born.
@speggeri90
@speggeri90 6 жыл бұрын
Where is corner camping? down vote for historical inaccuracy
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
I think that we have finally found a person who didn't suffer enough from the corner camping :-)
@quantumimmortality551
@quantumimmortality551 6 жыл бұрын
Corner camping? Call up the archers and siege equipment
@Broken-Flesh
@Broken-Flesh 5 жыл бұрын
@@quantumimmortality551 spam war dogs.
@Fyrebrand18
@Fyrebrand18 5 жыл бұрын
@@quantumimmortality551 ah yes. Nothing like bunker busting.
@violetbrown6712
@violetbrown6712 4 жыл бұрын
OUR GENERAL IS UNDER ATTACK
@mansoorr68uvxeg16
@mansoorr68uvxeg16 5 жыл бұрын
97% of the viewers came from the total war series
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Possibly. :-)
@ankurh6100
@ankurh6100 5 жыл бұрын
exactly
@deivytrajan
@deivytrajan 5 жыл бұрын
I came from age of empires 3 ;)
@rachelloismontemarguerrero4655
@rachelloismontemarguerrero4655 5 жыл бұрын
True
@redwinterv112
@redwinterv112 5 жыл бұрын
I came from medieval 2 lol we're the only people left using these tactics
@GymShu69
@GymShu69 5 жыл бұрын
I could listen to this stuff non stop - please make a whole never ending series on battle tactics and examples. awesome job!
@debrickashaw9387
@debrickashaw9387 2 жыл бұрын
To not have a massive route take place when employing the inverted wedge when the center got hammered is insane. Hannibal was an outstanding leader of men and general
@davea.9927
@davea.9927 6 жыл бұрын
Hammer and anvil?
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Yep, also very effective.
@MrGoncalobraz
@MrGoncalobraz 6 жыл бұрын
Just a variation of envelopment really.
@topgears7775
@topgears7775 6 жыл бұрын
Number 7 was The smartes and seencitiv tactic, thats why they had suck greate territorium 😣
@RiftZM
@RiftZM 6 жыл бұрын
+Joe Blow Hammer and Anvil *IS* a form of envelopment. The mechanics are identical, except you hit them in the rear instead of the sides. _"According to the United States Army there exist four types of envelopment:_ _A flanking maneuver or single envelopment consists of one enveloping force on a flank. attacking one of the enemy's flanks. This is extremely effective if the holding forces are in a well defensible spot (e.g. Alexander the Great's hammer and anvil at the Battle of Issus) or if there is a strong, hidden line behind a weak flank (e.g. Battle of Breitenfeld (1631) and Battle of Rocroi)._ _A pincer movement or double envelopment consists of two simultaneous flanking maneuvers. Hannibal devised this strategy at his tactical masterpiece, Cannae. Later on, Rashidun Caliphate General, Khalid ibn al-Walid applied the maneuver in decisive battle against Sassanid Empire during Battle of Walaja. Early in World War II the Germans frequently employed this tactic and encircled huge numbers of the enemy during the Blitzkrieg attacks on both the Western Front during the Battle of France and during Operation Barbarossa on the Eastern Front._ _An encirclement whereby the enemy is completely surrounded and isolated in a pocket. The friendly forces can choose to attack the pocket or invest it (to stop resupplies and to prevent breakouts) and wait for a beleaguered enemy to surrender._ _A vertical envelopment is "a tactical maneuver in which troops, either air-dropped or air-landed, attack the rear and flanks of a force, in effect cutting off or encircling the force"._ [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelopment ]
@ruskibeaner5983
@ruskibeaner5983 5 жыл бұрын
Hammer and anvil is over all strategy, which deals with stuff outside of the battle field
@xyon9090
@xyon9090 5 жыл бұрын
*Hannibal's Inverted Wedge at Cannae in #4* is my favorite one.
@marindraganov5897
@marindraganov5897 2 жыл бұрын
Funny fact: Shaka Zulu {also known as the African Napoleon} used the same tactic and called it the bull horn tactic.
@surendarav8406
@surendarav8406 2 жыл бұрын
Hannibal's strategy is many times more intelligent than what is given above. It is mobile strategy combined with skill, leadership, planning, alertness and situation awareness
@Imrik
@Imrik 6 жыл бұрын
Love this video guys. I would love to see other battle strategies used or battles done in a campaign by a single figure, such as Alexander the Great or Hannibal
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Good idea, will do, thanks!
@RexGalilae
@RexGalilae 6 жыл бұрын
Basement Entertainment We also need more Khalid bin Walid. He's the most underrated of all the generals
@infidelheretic923
@infidelheretic923 2 жыл бұрын
Simple ideas conveyed with useful diagrams and historic examples. Great video.
@viswanathan19
@viswanathan19 5 жыл бұрын
With the animated presentation the Hard work done enables the mind to grab content and green thank you thank you
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AmrodOfDale
@AmrodOfDale 6 жыл бұрын
Love that self-reflection that after forgetting everything, you will not forget about Roman strategy, particularly Triplex Acies. I feel that I'll one day be in a similar situation and be that crazy old grandpa that talks about ancient battles whilst forgetting his email password XD
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
It is good to be a bit ironic about oneself. :-)
@crmesson22k
@crmesson22k 6 жыл бұрын
you should use each tactic in a battle against a friend or computer and make a video out of that.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the plan, thanks for your support :-)
@auto27user
@auto27user 6 жыл бұрын
no.9 Scottish pikes... pike box being a legit strategy confirmed(against cavalry anyway)?
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
+auto27user yeah, it worked, unless enemy has advantage in missile units.
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 6 жыл бұрын
the double envelopment at least is the most basic and efficient strategy against a computer, works as long as your center doesn't break. It also requires some patience because it's best to wait until your ennemy's out of amunitions to pull it off, unless you want to be shot in the back. I'd say against humans the most efficient is to hide some troops, but timing is crucial there ! Especially since players have an aerial vue of the battlefield, which Generals did not have back then. great work by the way, I discovered your videos two days ago and am currently binge watching them ! :)
@clinthazzard7397
@clinthazzard7397 5 жыл бұрын
moar werk?
@Chungus581
@Chungus581 9 ай бұрын
Just realized I was here at the start of your channel! Good job guys!! All the way at 3 million subs I remember watching this and the Sassanian war video. Cool I found y’all from a total war video
@mikemcfarthing3499
@mikemcfarthing3499 3 жыл бұрын
Spasibo! This is a great video. Love the comment about Triplex Acles...hours and hours.
@Splodge542
@Splodge542 6 жыл бұрын
Roman and Greek and Hannibal's tactics are my favourites. Haven't used concentrated centre yet in Rome 2 TW. I could watch a long video about any of these. Let's hear about artillery, and light infantry too.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
We will make one eventually. Tactics and army evolution should become our secondary series, whenever we finally get our act together. :-)
@tommyliu7781
@tommyliu7781 6 жыл бұрын
RoginauldsWarFiles ipppppp is the day
@sXe4life100
@sXe4life100 6 жыл бұрын
Would've loved to see Barca's reaction at the sight of his elephant units being annihilated. At that moment, I'd probably start thinking 'cntrl, alt, del'. Awesome video and narration.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! :-)
@teenaratnakar7022
@teenaratnakar7022 3 жыл бұрын
I was looking this for gaming, and the tactics are wonderful. Keep posting more
@Pooknottin
@Pooknottin 4 жыл бұрын
I've often used an oblique line in tabletop and it's surprising how many opponents fall for it. Thanks for the vid.
@gamernerd6423
@gamernerd6423 2 жыл бұрын
I play games a lot with my friends and came looking for some strategies that generals used in the past because im my team's strategist. I found everything i wanted and a man with a sense of humor, noice.
@nanyafahkinbiznes1352
@nanyafahkinbiznes1352 4 жыл бұрын
"Hit n run tactic with Missile cavalry" Just hearing those words... *Tired foot soldiers sounds intensifies
@hannibalburgers477
@hannibalburgers477 3 жыл бұрын
I know right? From Crassus to Romen Diogenes, why would anyone want to face missile cavalry with infantry? Edit: If anybody know actually how to win against horce archers I would happily listen. I play barbarian invasion and keep loosing to huns
@gabrielnugrahaandika1519
@gabrielnugrahaandika1519 3 жыл бұрын
@@hannibalburgers477 large onagers says hello
@hannibalburgers477
@hannibalburgers477 3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielnugrahaandika1519 Sorry I forgot to specify R:TW 1 BI
@jimberglund6979
@jimberglund6979 2 жыл бұрын
*testudo formationing until those freaking horse archers run out of ammo intensifies*
@a.morphous66
@a.morphous66 2 жыл бұрын
*laughs in Frankish*
@markmclawhon8039
@markmclawhon8039 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Please do more like this and I would love to see you break down these tactics in detail. Keep up the great work!
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. That was really good. It gave an over view of these basic tactics. Very well done. What would also be good - as you mentioned - was a more in depth discussion of the vagaries of these tactics and how one played on the weaknesses of another. Showing where a tactic succeeded in one case but failed in another would be interesting. For example the double envelopment used by Hannibal at Cannae - only worked because of two things. First, a lot of ancient warfare consisted of the main bodies of troops pushing each other. Their front ranks shields would come together and the guys behind would push, trying to make the enemy fall over backwards or at least fall back. Here having more guys in a deeper formation made you better able to do that. So - Hannibal had his line thinner so it could wrap about the Romans but he had it bowed out towards them so that it could fall back into a bow the other way before it broke. The deeper the Romans pushed the farther they went into the Carthaginian trap. Once surrounded the Romans were pushed together into a mob who couldn't raise their arms to swing their swords they were so jammed up against each other. The next thing that happened is that the Numidian Horsemen Hannibal had - routed the Roman horse man - but then, instead of chasing them the way cavalry usually did - they came back to hit the Romans from the rear and complete the envelopment. Here you had a Strong Center vs. an Envelopment. The Strong Center COULD have won if they'd broken through the enemy line before they were enveloped - but the Romans had made the center to strong at the expense of the flanks - and that did them in. You want to have a strong center - but not get enveloped. At Carrhae - Crassus had an unbalanced force. He didn't have enough Cavalry and he didn't have enough missile troops. Standing Missile troops have a greater range than horse mounted missile troops because they can put their whole bodies into hurling their missiles - whereas the mounted missile troops are only able to do so from the waist up. With heavy infantry protecting them - standing missile troops could have shot over their heads and hit the horse archers. Crassus just didn't have enough. When the Romans got their revenge for Crassus - they had more missile troops and operated from terrain that mitigated against the Persian Cavalry's strengths. Here - while Crassus had been able to put down Spartacus's slave rebellion - he was no match militarily for the Parthians. Caesar or Pompeii would have done better. .
@WoWMalazar
@WoWMalazar 4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by the bow? As in a long cord that carthaginians wrapped around the unit who were pushing? How could they not realise?
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw 4 жыл бұрын
@@WoWMalazar 3:35 Bow In The line. Watch how the bow in the line starts off being towards the Romans and then bows away from them as they push against it - while the flanks come up and wrap around them. .
@Dr.CaveCurinas
@Dr.CaveCurinas 5 жыл бұрын
Huh, it's funny how many of these tactics I've accidentally found myself using across the Total War games. A favorite tactic of mine in Shogun 2 was a mix of feigned retreat, hidden flank, and envelopment. I made a main line of yari wall with fire bomb throwers on one flank to bait out an agressive charge from an enemy against a short-range unit that is relatively weak in melee. If possible, I'd hide a unit of no-dachi samurai (shock troops with incredibly powerful charges, in case you haven't played it) nearby. When the enemy got close, the throwers would launch one volley of fire bombs, causing enough chaos in the enemy charge for me to pull the throwers back and charge with my shock troops while the enemy was still disoriented and out of position because of the bombs. This would cause even the most elite unit to rout, at which point I would use my shock troops to charge the nearest enemy unit engaging my spear wall, surrounding and breaking them, causing a routing cascade as I envelop the enemy. It was always so satisfying to pull off.
@andrewpowell8940
@andrewpowell8940 6 ай бұрын
I think Oblique Order is very intuitive in Total War as well.
@arielquelme
@arielquelme 4 жыл бұрын
my favorite one is have you ever heard Battle of Walaja? its one of Khalid ibn Walid most stunning victory... its perfect double envelopment maneuver are lead general A.I. Akram to likened the brilliance of Khalid to Hannibal in battle of Cannae
@anirudh177
@anirudh177 2 жыл бұрын
@david edbrooke-coffin Alexander the Great Sargon of Akkad Ashoka the Great
@anirudh177
@anirudh177 2 жыл бұрын
the other 3
@anirudh177
@anirudh177 2 жыл бұрын
@david edbrooke-coffin He's like the only person, who got the title 'the Great' because of his pacifism.
@ali63141
@ali63141 2 жыл бұрын
Yes 😍😍
@ronaldp7573
@ronaldp7573 6 жыл бұрын
very well done video. And really these are timeless tactics. The oblique order served Friedrick and his beloved Prussia well. And we was said to have been inspired by the very battle you mentioned.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. I really like the fact that gunpowder era generals were so fond of ancient tactics. Obviously, ancient generals did not have gunpowder units or artillery, but it is more about ingenuity than anything else. :-) I am planning a documentary on the Seven Years War. It should be released sometime in August, so, stick around. :-)
@jayolson8524
@jayolson8524 5 жыл бұрын
i played the total war games for years, developing many of these tactics on my own through trial and error. now i finally know what they're called! thankyou!
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! We are slowly making more detailed videos on each of them. Here is one on the oblique order: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4mnenmbmJWJedE
@Skare75
@Skare75 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just here after seeing the 'tactics' displayed in GoT
@kenncrane4179
@kenncrane4179 4 жыл бұрын
Ruined the entire show tbh
@Mustis91
@Mustis91 4 жыл бұрын
same
@jimzimmer2048
@jimzimmer2048 4 жыл бұрын
Fuck off it’s better tactics than canne
@LeChevalierduLys
@LeChevalierduLys 4 жыл бұрын
LOL “Tactics”, that’s generous.
@gab9433
@gab9433 4 жыл бұрын
GoT? Game of thrones?
@cogithefool4284
@cogithefool4284 5 жыл бұрын
There is no more glorious thing as Scipio pulled a Hannibal on Hannibal.
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- 5 жыл бұрын
Zama was perfect, Scipio defeated a veteran army as well
@Doomxeen
@Doomxeen 4 жыл бұрын
Hannibal crushing army after army without securing a decisive overall victory forced an odd case of artificial selection which created some of the best generals of all time.
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- 3 жыл бұрын
@@josecipriano3048 True, best upset ever.
@naiad5043
@naiad5043 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- veteran??
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- 2 жыл бұрын
@@naiad5043 Hannibal had more hardened troops than Scipio
@user-zp5ql2xi2s
@user-zp5ql2xi2s 4 ай бұрын
Thank to whatever supreme being that gives us KingsandGenerals & Total War Series.
@ledonnek1974
@ledonnek1974 6 жыл бұрын
Love this video, keep up the great work! I look forward to your next video.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :-)
@charlesburrows687
@charlesburrows687 6 жыл бұрын
Loved the video. Subscribed immediately after hearing about growing old and what you would or wouldn't remember :p
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
:-)
@matthewkuchinski1769
@matthewkuchinski1769 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I really liked how you presented the schiltron. I was wondering if you did consider the combined-arms-approach that was favored by the English during the Hundred Years War. After all, the strategy of combining the firepower of archers with the staying power of melee infantry and the shock element of cavalry was one of the most important tactical options for Classical and Medieval armies when on the defensive.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Again, a very good point. Combined arms did not make the top 10, in my opinion. Maybe, I need to make a second list. :-)
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 6 жыл бұрын
the issue with the 100 Years war and the combined arms approach....is that the English lost!
@matthewkuchinski1769
@matthewkuchinski1769 6 жыл бұрын
I do acknowledge that the English lost the Hundred Years' War, but what I am talking about, with the example of the English forces, was the fact that the combined-arms approach is one of the most common in history. Other great examples are Alexander the Great's army, the Late Roman Empire Legions, and even the Norman forces commanded by William I of England.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Kuchinski as Nurrrik always tells me, don't be result-oriented, it is about doing it right. :-)
@JaymsieLeafs
@JaymsieLeafs 3 жыл бұрын
I love these videos and I love your enthusiasm. I share it with you. Keep going.
@crmesson22k
@crmesson22k 6 жыл бұрын
yes please produce more on this please. great video.
@yw5617
@yw5617 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, finding stuff this dense and high quality about military tactics is hard, probably because it's not much more useful than regular history, at least those are fun to try in games.
@davidedbrooke9324
@davidedbrooke9324 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent, very good.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Glad, you enjoyed it. :-)
@justatyre825
@justatyre825 Жыл бұрын
I mostly loved the Single/Double Envelopment tactic. Amazing video!
@colambu2919
@colambu2919 3 жыл бұрын
And by this video, a legendary channel was born
@kommissarantilus3742
@kommissarantilus3742 5 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with the feigned retreat, even because it might happen spontaneously like it happened to William the Bastard with his left flank led by the bretonnians in the battle for England
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
We will cover it in more detail in future :-)
@brandysmith3977
@brandysmith3977 2 жыл бұрын
I believe it happened more than once at Hastings, the first one being an actual retreat by William's left, and then a feigned retreat was ordered after the response of the English to the actual retreat had been observed.
@torva360
@torva360 4 жыл бұрын
"This video has gone on too long." I watched a 22 minutes Kings and Generals video about the Jewish rebellion in the Roman empire this morning. Hindsight is a funny thing.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, 20/20
@torva360
@torva360 4 жыл бұрын
@@KingsandGenerals If you keep replying to my comments, I'm going to start to think I'm special haha
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 4 жыл бұрын
Keep 'em clean and I will do my best
@aminrodriguez4707
@aminrodriguez4707 3 жыл бұрын
Great new series!!!! Tactival situations are overlooked as credit goes to the historical CO gaiking victory.
@maxmagnus777
@maxmagnus777 6 жыл бұрын
Love the video, I would like to see more on the roman tactics, training and maneuvers that gave them the edge.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Will need to come up with a new format.
@Luredreier
@Luredreier 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. =)
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Working on the next ones. :-)
@Luredreier
@Luredreier 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that. =) I'm looking forward to them. ^^
@parthiancapitalist2733
@parthiancapitalist2733 5 жыл бұрын
Tactic in theory: use units to engage the enemy, and spread out to separate the enemy units until the enemy is spread very thin. After this use reserves to overwhelm one side and move the active troops to the other side to do the same Could this work in practice?
@captaincrary
@captaincrary 5 жыл бұрын
Parthian Capitalist you would need a well organized and disciplined army along with more men than the enemy in order for this to work but other than that I like it.
@alexmickanderable
@alexmickanderable 4 жыл бұрын
Best voice for this video, i swear!
@oneminutereviews25
@oneminutereviews25 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great video thank you for uploading
@teukuriza4748
@teukuriza4748 6 жыл бұрын
I remember playing as ottomans in mediavel 2 where during a crusader invasion the very elite, equiped with silver grade armor and weapons, led by a high starred prince of France. While I only have a mediocre Turkish horse archers, I wanted to use like how the Roman fell with horse archer but the discipline was intact until I killed the prince & all discipline completely fell. Pretty much capture all the army
@danielkover7157
@danielkover7157 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, very informative. Just one thing, though. It's difficult to understand what the narrator is saying in some portions of the video due to the volume of the music. I couldn't understand the last sentence in one section (I think it was the Hit and Run section) because of this. Maybe dial it back a bit? Otherwise, good work. ☺
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! We have improved quite a bit since then, and each of the tactics described in this videos will be covered separately, in detail. We have released the first video in this series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4mnenmbmJWJedE
@InvalidniSourozenec
@InvalidniSourozenec 6 жыл бұрын
Love your documentaries, keep up the splendid job you do! ;-)
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! :-) Please, consider sharing this video in your social circle.
@paulbeaudoin8724
@paulbeaudoin8724 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I didn't know Pavel Chekov narrated videos on youtube! Keep up the good work!
@maxlu9373
@maxlu9373 6 жыл бұрын
Hammer and anvil is one of the greatest and simplest attack strategies to exist. Should’ve been on here
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
I think we showed the variants of it.
@godzilladude1231
@godzilladude1231 6 жыл бұрын
U know who else were masters of hit and run and feigned retreats? The Mongols (cue the mongoltage) Ill like to any who gets the reference.
@FearTalamh
@FearTalamh 5 жыл бұрын
John Constantine Sam O'Nella obviously
@sebastianhartung4407
@sebastianhartung4407 5 жыл бұрын
John Green ftw
@parthiancapitalist2733
@parthiancapitalist2733 5 жыл бұрын
Also Vietnam
@johnson8711
@johnson8711 5 жыл бұрын
Hahhahahahaha
@cogithefool4284
@cogithefool4284 5 жыл бұрын
Mongols were the best, but what the Parthians did to Crassus and his army was unspeakable for the Romans.
@Srab23
@Srab23 4 жыл бұрын
Very good illustrations!
@aanrivero
@aanrivero 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is for my Army in my School while fighting Cone Army.
@iwritechecksatthegrocerystore
@iwritechecksatthegrocerystore 5 жыл бұрын
Subbed just based on that “one day I will grow old...” bit. 😂
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
We have far better videos now. :-)
@mrKreuzfeld
@mrKreuzfeld 6 жыл бұрын
Only missing the echelon/ refused flank. Gualgamella is a version of this
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Good one! That is why I have this love/hate relationship with the "top-10" videos. :-)
@mrKreuzfeld
@mrKreuzfeld 6 жыл бұрын
stuka80 yeah! I know :) then mentioned it twice, but didnt mention the echelon. It is such an important tactics, so it definitely deserves a mention :)
@tomaszkrol5602
@tomaszkrol5602 2 жыл бұрын
Hannibal was a genius but so was Scipio! Great vid, pls more!
@viswanathan19
@viswanathan19 5 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation of very important aspect of strategy, awaiting further series and also guerrilla warfare
@temijinkahn511
@temijinkahn511 2 жыл бұрын
Oblique order is my favorite wargaming tactic by far. Many times my opponents will spread their forces across the battlefield. My goal is to have 70% of my army overrun one enemy flank then wheel towards his center and roll up his line. As he turns to face his failing flank, his opposite flank units are too far away to get into the battle in time and typically come in piecemeal allowing me to slaughter them. I will many times sacrifice light units on his far flank and center to delay those heavier units. When I face someone who is using Oblique order and I have not, I will turn and march my flank facing his strong flank towards my center rear while rapidly advancing my opposite flank driving off his lighter screening units. This will wheel my battle line 90 degrees. For example, if my battle line was stretching east west facing the enemy it ends up stretching north south and facing the enemy. Sacrificing one or two units to delay his strong flank can buy you needed time to reorganize your battle line. The faster you identify your opponents formation the better as you have more time to reposition your forces. Scouting concealing terrain features is of critical importance. You need to know what is behind those hills and in those woods!
@jerrylitthachack1464
@jerrylitthachack1464 4 жыл бұрын
Got s8 e3 should have watched this video
@b..3543
@b..3543 4 жыл бұрын
They also should've watched it before 6.9, Battle of Bastards. Wait, maybe Ramsey watched it... OMG someone tell John to stay away, it's a trap ! Lol
@caninecurry5823
@caninecurry5823 2 жыл бұрын
The vids great, but you really earned a like with the password honesty. Great stuff dude.
@kevinkong6653
@kevinkong6653 5 жыл бұрын
Love this channel
@andreascj73
@andreascj73 5 жыл бұрын
I just love your accent. So cool!
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That is the first. :-)
@Dakka1968
@Dakka1968 6 жыл бұрын
I like to charge part of infantry line a fraction before the rest and i ride my general and 1 other shock cavalry unit out through the centre with other cavalry manouevers on either flank (support with a unit of spears as your cavalary is split up x3). It takes alot of micromanagement but really effective for me in legendary and multplayer total war
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
+Dakka1968 that is a great tactic! Philip and Alexander used elite infantry the same way
@satashinacumoto8962
@satashinacumoto8962 2 жыл бұрын
the born of legend
@swaminathanbalakrishnan5182
@swaminathanbalakrishnan5182 5 жыл бұрын
I suggest that you could remake this video. Your later videos have been of great quality, and I think a remake of this would turn out very well.
@gareththompson2708
@gareththompson2708 6 жыл бұрын
I'll always be a fan of the good old hammer and anvil. Fix 'em in place with infantry, and crush them with a cavalry charge to the rear.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it works. :-)
@chrisproost7290
@chrisproost7290 6 жыл бұрын
That's your basic Marlburian 'find, fix and destroy'... only he could use it flawlessly as base for or to react to anything else (Blenheim, Ramillies) or as a finisher to a successful catch up from behind (Oudenarde) as on it's own it can turn into a game of attrition (Malplaquet) Shame that the all round outstanding British commander in history (with Wellington close behind) did his thing so long ago.
@fcalvaresi
@fcalvaresi 5 жыл бұрын
That one historical tactics that does not fail you in Total War games :-)
@sml8412
@sml8412 4 жыл бұрын
"This video is already too long" indeed youtube tends to like10 mins.
@bigezra0743
@bigezra0743 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, we are doing a minecraft war tomorrow, this will defnitely help XD I will most likely used the inverted wedge with a mix of hit and run
@mobiggcro
@mobiggcro 3 жыл бұрын
Damn they have grown so much 🔥
@matthewsmith1779
@matthewsmith1779 5 жыл бұрын
Hannibal actually had the least experienced troops in the center. At least during the "Battle of Cannae". He fought in the center with them to assure them their lives weren't being forfeit. Basically saying "I'm here with you. Do not retreat. Bend but do not break. You job is to give not be over run."
@paxwallacejazz
@paxwallacejazz 6 жыл бұрын
Ok mounted archer cavalry. Also, almost all these strategies employ yielding before attacking. Very Taoist and tricky.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, never give your enemy a good target. :-)
@rosicroix777
@rosicroix777 6 жыл бұрын
TY for this video, I find it helpfull as a miniature wargmer as well as being appealing to my history buff tendancies
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
+Percy Barbarossa thanks for watching! Never been a wargamer myself, so that is a very interesting angle for me. Do you often use real battle tactics?
@flexthought7655
@flexthought7655 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome content!
@hdckdsadd
@hdckdsadd 3 жыл бұрын
"this video is already too long"". 2020: 2 hour long videos :)
@joesphistalin2800
@joesphistalin2800 6 жыл бұрын
Last.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Hopefully, not :-)
@chrisproost7290
@chrisproost7290 6 жыл бұрын
I agree, surely a Mongolian Prince could never be last, even if ever wrongfooted... so many (including the likes of Nathan Bedford Forrest) owe the idea of 'gittin' thar fustest with the mostest' to Mongolian endeavours and glory. Just be careful around Mamluks ok?
@tommyliu7781
@tommyliu7781 6 жыл бұрын
Young Mongolian Prince i
@diarradunlap9337
@diarradunlap9337 5 жыл бұрын
The Mongols might well have trounced the Mamluks if most of the Mongol force hadn't gone home with the Ilkhan Hulagu to participate in the election of a new Khakhan after Mongke's death
@blingwraith6951
@blingwraith6951 5 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, I'm sure someone will kill your envoy.
@morimemento8351
@morimemento8351 6 жыл бұрын
more tactical breakdowns, awesome uploads...no dramatic background music needed in my opinion
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@docbailey3265
@docbailey3265 6 жыл бұрын
Punching the center didn’t work too well at Cannae.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
I'd say, the Romans had more elite troops overall.
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw 4 жыл бұрын
You want to have a Strong Center - not ONLY a center. Romans stacked their troops to deep and didn't protect their flanks well enough. They got enveloped - but then - they got pressed in on all sides so tightly they couldn't raise their arms to fight back and were just slaughtered. Numidian Cavalry driving theirs off and then coming back to cap the rear finished them. This phenomenon of having one side get physically crushed together is what happened at Agincourt too. What the French didn't see - was that the battlefield gradually narrowed on one side as it got to the English positions - so that their soldiers were forced together so tightly by the terrain they couldn't fight and the English slaughtered them. Succeeding waves only made the matter worse. This is the same thing you see in tavern fires or soccer riots, where everyone tries to get out at the same time and they get crushed, blocking the exit. .
@victrix8086
@victrix8086 4 жыл бұрын
@@BobSmith-dk8nw g5qeliq7₩₩0₩₩÷¥
@ICCraider
@ICCraider 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact about #4. Cannae maneuver is that it was used by a Chinese commander called Bai Qi at the battle of Changping 44 years earlier.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
I really need to learn more about Chinese history. And make at least a few videos. It is getting embarrassing.
@VRichardsn
@VRichardsn 6 жыл бұрын
There is so much we need to know about Chinese history... In a way, China has always been around, so they are bound to have a fascinating culture. Language barrier is one hell of a barrier, though. As China becomes more mainstream (and less communist), we might start to see more translations around, or who knows, maybe Chinese becoming a more widely known language.
@jamesmonroe9464
@jamesmonroe9464 6 жыл бұрын
Wasn't this tactic also tried in Marathon?
@RexGalilae
@RexGalilae 5 жыл бұрын
Many brilliant commanders independently implemented and perfected the art of double envelopment and reverse crescent mainly as an effective counter measure against numerically superior foes. Another example is Khalid bin Walid
@chipschannel9494
@chipschannel9494 3 жыл бұрын
Good Video, informative!
@user-hw5td3xb3p
@user-hw5td3xb3p 2 жыл бұрын
Nice and brilliant!
@thofthe
@thofthe 2 жыл бұрын
9:33 lol what?
@boudaakaranis8608
@boudaakaranis8608 6 жыл бұрын
a fellow roman eagle !!! none army is better then the roman army !
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Go Roman or go home! :-)
@Isaiflamand
@Isaiflamand 6 жыл бұрын
Carthage army was almost equal as roman legions but when Hannibal won at Cannae, he didn’t seiz that chance to destroy the roman republic, instead He and his army celebrate their victory
@niteshmurti
@niteshmurti 6 жыл бұрын
boudaakar anis I think u forget 'Murica
@alsoubani8535
@alsoubani8535 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t know but the mongols and rashidun armies were not bad at all especially how fast they moved
@ian6796
@ian6796 5 жыл бұрын
Isaiflamand kwetcalo He didn't have any chance, he couldn't lay siege to a walled city without any siege weapons, also rome was defenceless after cannae, they still have two legions inside the city
@PitcanaryRamFan
@PitcanaryRamFan 6 жыл бұрын
Great video very informative please do more.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, planning to!
@qwertyguy12345
@qwertyguy12345 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed it, looking forward to seeing a vid on the Spanish Tercio square
@smarteasylearningalmanejaz6204
@smarteasylearningalmanejaz6204 2 жыл бұрын
Pov: you clicked "oldest first"
@angusyang5917
@angusyang5917 2 жыл бұрын
For some reason it got recommended to me. It's not the oldest video they ever produced, but it's certainly the oldest video available on their channel for viewing.
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